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Foynes Line

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,115 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Better a greenway built than some houses or buildings or farmers claiming ownership over disused rail lines

    If IE have enough land in the holding along Foynes line then a greenway is a great way to protect their holding in future, not only is it a good amenity for the area but the lands surrounding the line are protected against any unwanted development.

    If they had the sense to pave the old rail lines in the 50s and 60s instead of letting them be built on or farmed we would have far more options today



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,065 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Never ever said they were. I was just pointing out that the language used was suggesting people believe these to be cycling infrastructure.

    Terms like "cycling bridges" for instance or "training wheels"

    I often come across peoples anger towards cyclists and cycle infrastructure seeping into the greenway thing but they are not related.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,199 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    It really depends on whether the line, particularly the bridges, was initially built with double tracking in mind or not. If it was then adding a greenway may not be too much of an issue if correctly segregated. Otherwise it would require the bridges to be modified and that could be significant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,517 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    The railway may need to be double tracked or passing loops put in.

    Also who is supposed to be responsible for and maintain this greenway as it may be partly or wholly on IE land, or are IE getting into the greenway business??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,199 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    Indeed, with the GST the land was transferred to Limerick and Kerry County Council. That's not the case here so personally I can't see it happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,115 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    there is no obligation on a greenway to strictly follow the course of a railway, especially if there is an existing one running parallel

    the greenway can divert course away when there are pinch points, its not rocket science.

    if the railway needs double tracked in future, then having a paved greenway on the alignment is a good thing as it ensures no other, more difficult to remove developments will ever happen next to the railway. much easier to dig up a tarmac greenway than to knock buildings etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,517 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    No ones going to encroach on it when it's an active line. Indulge this local group and run the risk of them whining and mounting objections if their leisure facility is taken away, no I dont think IE will be up for that at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,350 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    I’ve said it before but there are lines that clearly have no hope of being reopened and some of those lines were in very scenic parts of the country and I’m happy they are being used for a good cause rather then being bulldozed away. The reason why Youghal bugs me like it seems to do with you, is that the line has been reopened to Midleton so it not completely far fetched to reopen the rest, and yes I know there are no short to medium plans to reopen it to Youghal but it’s got a chance. And as much as I love east cork having spent many summers down there, the land the line passes through isn’t all that scenic. Bar the climb out of Youghal it’s flat enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,115 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    If the last 60 odd years have taught us anything, its that people will encroach on any undeveloped land, be it corridor for a future road, or land surrounding an active rail line. Local politics will trump long term planning as it has in the past, reserving extra land along rail lines is a totally sensible plan in the long term - but if there is no immediate viability or plans in motion to add a rail line/passing loop etc on that alignment then the pressure to develop the land instead will trump all else



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,199 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    Not my upload but some excellent drone footage of the current state of the line.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 436 ✭✭Girl Geraldine


    Modify the bridges? As in demolish them and rebuild them wider?

    Greenway brigade have no appreciation of the engineering complications and cost that adding in a greenway would involve. They think it is just an easy job of oh yeah we will stick on a greenway there while they are at it. There are huge implications that they cannot see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,199 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    Just to be clear, I don't support the greenway suggestion.



  • Registered Users Posts: 34 FrankLeeSpeaking


    Thanks for this. Gosh, 20 years of the Irish weather certainly takes no prisoners.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 790 ✭✭✭Board Walker


    Has any more happened on this line since it was cleared?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,859 ✭✭✭Poxyshamrock


    No evidence of further work between Colbert Station and Dooradoyle



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,193 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Work is starting from the Foynes end and is not due to be finished until early 2025. You not going to see anything on that section for quite a while yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭Paddico


    Any update folks, has construction started?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,065 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I had a feeling this would come in the next few days. It's a no brainer if they ever do passenger services in the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    While I normally despise this type of kite flying this one is a no brainer.

    It's pretty much a straight line to the city centre.

    It could also serve the Cresent by developing the old cement spur as a walkway, 500 metres to the shopping centre and a lot of houses in the area too.

    It's a relatively cheap project too.

    Far more viable than Moyross imo.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,065 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The biggest hospital in the region is also close by. They are already running a shuttle bus from Garryowen rugby to the hospital because of parking issues so a shuttle to the station would be easy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭pigtown


    There's no point opening a station here without a frequent service and a network of other stations near where people live.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,199 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    Access at Limerick will be an issue. The Foynes line merges at Limerick Check facing away from the station so it would require a Killarney-style reverse. There used to be a direct curve from platform 4 to a bridge over Carey's Road but it was removed in the mid 70s after the North Kerry line closed.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,461 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    It's a quick drive to Raheen Business Park from most of Limerick city and hinterlands. The railway station is a moderate distance from most of the industry there at the minute.

    The main beneficiaries of such a proposal would be people living near Colbert station. I can't think of anywhere else where it would make sense for them to take the train to Raheen and make their way from the train station to their desk that would be faster than driving.

    Such a proposal would make sense if it was a heavily built up area of dense commercial buildings, not a predominantly manufacturing based business park on the outskirts of the city directly connected to a motorway.

    Now cycling incentives would be an idea.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,065 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I don't think the idea is to get people from Colbert to Raheen.

    More to open up West Limerick as a more enticing place to live for people working in the industrial estate or hospital.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    Build it and they will come. Every new line has shown this and Limerick is actually one of the places in the country that has railway infrastructures in place.

    I'm sure if I was considering a job in Raheen, I could look at moving to outside Adare or Askeaton or Foynes, hop on a train to Raheen and go to work. It would be a great asset.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭pigtown


    That's the point though, without a network of stations it'd be pointless. And without a plan to density sites around potential stations then it won't happen. Our new development plan doesn't do this and it won't be replaced until 2032.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,144 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    well maybe it's time to change tac in this case and build the infrastructure first, then we will have infrastructure in place to densify around.

    the current way of cramming infrastructure in after densification or even allowing such densification such that PT infrastructure can't be accommodated successfully just does not seem to work, nothing gets done and we continue in the cycle of horific levels of car traffic in our cities.

    it's 2023, not 1963, time to grow up.

    as someone pointed out, limerick is perfect for rail development with infrastructure already in place.

    no it isn't 100% perfect but if we are looking for absolute perfection and for such infrastructure to suit every possible journey, then we will get nothing.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,065 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Well we are certainly not getting 100% perfection from our cars. All anyone ever seems to do is complain about their commute but yet many are hostile to other options.

    I don't see why Limerick can't have the likes of Little Island or Oranmore.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,461 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    as someone pointed out, limerick is perfect for rail development with infrastructure already in place.


    no it isn't 100% perfect but if we are looking for absolute perfection and for such infrastructure to suit every possible journey, then we will get nothing.

    It's not that it's not perfect, it's just of little use. All railway lines are circuitous and converge on Colbert station, which has very little to generate trips. The Foynes line is currently disconnected from the rest of the network and there is geographically no way to make a sensible connection between it and the other lines that would enable useful journey times.

    There is no reason for the majority of people to use a potential rail option, it won't be any faster than a car trip and in many cases it would be so much slower that there would be no reason to use it. The 304 would be faster anyhow and stops at the front of the business park where all the people work.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,065 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Again I don't think the suggestion is Colbert to Raheen. That is well served as you say.

    It would give West Limerick people 3 important destination options in the industrial estate, hospital (West Limerick I know from work has serious connectivity problems for access to care) and city centre. Obviously the issue with platform connection to Colbert needs to be solved as has been mentioned.

    If you think a car is easier try drive to Adare or Foynes on a winters night.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,461 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Is this from Adare and Foynes? Or down the line to Newcastlewest?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,065 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,199 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    I presume they're asking if you're suggesting Adare, Askeaton and Foynes, or whether to reinstate the North Kerry line down towards Abbeyfeale and Newcastlewest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,065 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Well there is no talk about rebuilding old lines to NCW or Kerry so I am talking about along the line that is currently being rebuilt to Foynes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 737 ✭✭✭Cushtie


    So Sisks have opened a compound in a field just off the N69 near Askeaton. Adjacent to the line. Lots of containers, site offices, machninery etc. So looks like full steam ahead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    Wouldnt take much to reinstate that curve. All in Irish rail / government ownership afaik.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    Reinstate the direct curve to Colbert.

    You would then shuttle at high frequency between Colbert and Raheen with a stop at the Crescent spur. Maybe further stops / park and ride at Adare / Patrickswell.

    Somebody from Nenagh or Sixmilebridge connects at Colbert. Won't be waiting long for a train.

    This is low hanging fruit stuff, the line is being redeveloped anyway so adding in these things won't break the bank.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,065 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I think once the line is done the political pressure will be massive because people will just very very confused as to why a line was rebuilt for nothing*. We are talking about a place where people want a spur to Shannon so they won't put up with an actual working line doing nothing*

    * Most people will have no clue it was to get Foynes some special EU rating or whatever.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    If we can't put passenger trains on a new section of track that takes a straight line into Limerick then there really is little hope.

    This is a much better play than a new station in Moyross which takes three sides of the city and starts a lot closer to town.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,144 ✭✭✭✭end of the road



    forget about the car, cars are being kicked out of the city in the long term.

    of course limerick's rail lines are useful, building them up and densifying around them will bring results.

    because they may not be useful to some or might take a tad longer to get to industrial estates is not really a good argument as while it's not ideal, the world doesn't and can't revolve around those specific businesses if limerick is to be grown.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,574 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    While colbert may not be much of a destination , plassey would be ,

    Would it be possible to have a through line , so adare to castleconnell or nenagh ?

    So have it as 1 commuter line -

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    Regarding densification, there is a substantial landbank on the opposite of the motorway to the railway. Unlimited potential for quality high density housing.

    On the flip side the proposed Moyross station offers no development potential.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,193 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,574 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Sorry , youre right , i thought the train went through the western side of the city ..

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 790 ✭✭✭Board Walker


    Line lifting has begun in Foynes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 201 ✭✭seekers




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 790 ✭✭✭Board Walker


    Thats pretty much it. I heard there is a site compound in Askeaton too. So if you want to go and get Semaphores its your last chance!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,965 ✭✭✭trellheim


    On some figures above


    As the crow flies it is almost exactly 1 mile from the railway to Plassey. If you put a station in at the old Canal overbridge you have a 1.6 mile cycle over a pre-existing flat cycle/walkway (no cars) along the shannon beside the Black Bridge . This is well within commuting range and would allow Ennis and Galway users very close interchange.

    Rebuild the Careys road overbridge and you'd be able to link in services from Patrickswell and points south on the one train.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    Realistically they should have rerouted the Nenagh branch to a turnoff at the parkway shopping centre and reconnect at Annacotty.

    That would have brought a huge amount of people into the rail catchment.

    Right now the branch cuts through green fields until it gets to Annacotty.

    It could have all been done in line with the various development that went on.



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