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Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

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  • #52
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,675 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Our government is way too nicey-nicey to do any of this. Not going to happen as much as it 100% should.


  • #53
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,311 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Juwwi wrote: »
    It seemed common sense to many at the time that Cheltenham ,Italian rugby fans still coming over ECT back in March shouldn't of been allowed , and the government made a balls of it .

    We now have a second chance of keeping our island at low numbers , if they make another mess of it will be criminal .

    And those Ryanair ads aren't sweet music to these ears. In an ideal world, restrict casual air travel until a vaccine becomes widely available. Unfortunately some stubborn mules must have their holiday to slap all over Instagram. I still believe in the concept of common sense, and that most people can abide by it for the greater good.


  • #54
    theological
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,831 ✭✭✭theological


    Don't worry lads, I'm definitely not planning on coming to Ireland for the next few months. Particularly if the mood towards me when I return will be anything like in some of the posts here!

    This thread is completely hyperbolic however. Particularly in respect to Britain. About 1 in every 1700 people will have coronavirus in the UK. That is astronomically low.

    In a country of 67 million people there are about 145,000 active cases according to the KCL COVID tracker and the vast vast majority of those people will be isolating.

    Figures on all metrics have been consistently declining for weeks, deaths and new cases. Is there some way to go? Sure, but the trend is downwards on all fronts even as the lockdown has eased on 3 separate occasions.


  • #55
    StefanFal
    Registered Users Posts: 72 ✭✭StefanFal


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    Otherwise all of the restrictions were for nothing


    UK, the Americas and Sweden shouldn't be allowed into Ireland till they get their omnishambles together

    Why Sweden? You don't exactly have great numbers regarding the death rates in Ireland either. Like us in Sweden you murdered the elderly too.

    I am coming in with a group of friends from Stockholm for a week's cycling in the west. We don't intend having any contact with the locals. Purely cycling.


  • #56
    joe40
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭joe40


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    And those Ryanair ads aren't sweet music to these ears. In an ideal world, restrict casual air travel until a vaccine becomes widely available. Unfortunately some stubborn mules must have their holiday to slap all over Instagram. I still believe in the concept of common sense, and that most people can abide by it for the greater good.

    There is no guarantee that we will get a safe, reliable vaccine. It is possible the world will have to live with this virus.


  • #57
    joe40
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭joe40


    StefanFal wrote: »
    Why Sweden? You don't exactly have great numbers regarding the death rates in Ireland either. Like us in Sweden you murdered the elderly too.

    I am coming in with a group of friends from Stockholm for a week's cycling in the west. We don't intend having any contact with the locals. Purely cycling.
    Hope you have good time, the weather can be dodgy but I'm sure you know that.

    It is possible to have a cycling holiday in the west of Ireland which has a very low population density and still maintain social distancing.

    This virus is not going away and I don't think locking down our country is a feasible long term approach. Absolutely needed at the time but the next stage is coping with the virus.
    Social distancing where possible, masks in crowded areas, good hand hygiene, etc are all things which can be done on an ongoing basis.


  • #58
    [Deleted User]
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    theological wrote: »
    Don't worry lads, I'm definitely not planning on coming to Ireland for the new few months. Particularly if the mood towards me when I return will be anything like in some of the posts here!

    This thread is completely hyperbolic however. Particularly in respect to Britain. About 1 in every 1700 people will have coronavirus in the UK. That is astronomically low.

    In a country of 67 million people there are about 145,000 active cases according to the KCL COVID tracker and the vast vast majority of those people will be isolating.

    Figures on all metrics have been consistently declining for weeks, deaths and new cases. Is there some way to go? Sure, but the trend is downwards on all fronts even as the lockdown has eased on 3 separate occasions.

    And yet people here are comparing it to Brazil


  • #59
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,369 ✭ [Deleted User]


    StefanFal wrote: »
    Why Sweden? You don't exactly have great numbers regarding the death rates in Ireland either. Like us in Sweden you murdered the elderly too.

    I am coming in with a group of friends from Stockholm for a week's cycling in the west. We don't intend having any contact with the locals. Purely cycling.

    As long as you dont sneeze, cough, eat, drink, spit or touch anything we will be fine then.


  • #60
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,369 ✭ [Deleted User]


    joe40 wrote: »
    Hope you have good time, the weather can be dodgy but I'm sure you know that.

    It is possible to have a cycling holiday in the west of Ireland which has a very low population density and still maintain social distancing.

    This virus is not going away and I don't think locking down our country is a feasible long term approach. Absolutely needed at the time but the next stage is coping with the virus.
    Social distancing where possible, masks in crowded areas, good hand hygiene, etc are all things which can be done on an ongoing basis.

    The main problem is that it either wont work in certain areas or people wont do it. I am pretty relaxed about Covid, continued working, shopping, etc but followed the guidelines and stayed away from relatives for the most part.

    Have you been to a shop? People cant even manage to stand on the bloody white dots painted on the ground ffs! Then they get in the shop and the mask comes off to talk, they touch everything, then wipe their face underneath the mask and climb over my trolley or me to get the bread while a sensible person waits 2 metres behind me.

    It wont work because too many people are idiots.


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  • #61
    Atlantic Dawn
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    M


    2 Ryanair flights just left Dublin in the last half hour for Sofia in Bulgaria, neither flight departure is listed on the Dublin Airport website, assumption is these are bringing in more seasonal workers?


  • #62
    joe40
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭joe40


    Niner leprauchan wrote: »
    The main problem is that it either wont work in certain areas or people wont do it. I am pretty relaxed about Covid, continued working, shopping, etc but followed the guidelines and stayed away from relatives for the most part.

    Have you been to a shop? People cant even manage to stand on the bloody white dots painted on the ground ffs! Then they get in the shop and the mask comes off to talk, they touch everything, then wipe their face underneath the mask and climb over my trolley or me to get the bread while a sensible person waits 2 metres behind me.

    It wont work because too many people are idiots.

    Yeah I agree, a lot of people won't follow guidelines or take silly risks.
    I suppose the best we can hope for is majority people are sensible the majority of the time.


  • #63
    [Deleted User]
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    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    2 Ryanair flights just left Dublin in the last half hour for Sofia in Bulgaria, neither flight departure is listed on the Dublin Airport website, assumption is these are bringing in more seasonal workers?

    why are you assuming this?

    No Ryanair planes matching that on flightradar either


  • #64
    [Deleted User]
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    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    We need dedicated quarantine facilities for anyone coming into the country.

    Let's be honest if we couldn't set up our immigration processing at the airport to avoid letting these people do whatever they want when they come here, they ain't going to do it for a temporary virus.


  • #65
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,854 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    There should be a list published weekly with travel bans for certain countries. It should be based on the level of C19 in those countries

    Here’s a few off top of my head to kick it off

    America
    Brazil
    Sweden
    Iran

    And to be honest the UK should probably be on the list too


  • #66
    StefanFal
    Registered Users Posts: 72 ✭✭StefanFal


    Niner leprauchan wrote: »
    As long as you dont sneeze, cough, eat, drink, spit or touch anything we will be fine then.

    You are aware one must first be infected before they can pass on the virus?

    Sneezing, coughing etc is only a problem when someone is carrying the virus.


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  • #67
    gral6
    Registered Users Posts: 715 ✭✭✭gral6


    StefanFal wrote: »
    Why Sweden? You don't exactly have great numbers regarding the death rates in Ireland either. Like us in Sweden you murdered the elderly too.

    I am coming in with a group of friends from Stockholm for a week's cycling in the west. We don't intend having any contact with the locals. Purely cycling.

    Have a good time ! There are a lot of mad people here(watched too much of TV) still cockooning, but, thanks god, a lot more reasonable people here !


  • #68
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,675 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    StefanFal wrote: »
    You are aware one must first be infected before they can pass on the virus?

    Sneezing, coughing etc is only a problem when someone is carrying the virus.

    You know what asymptomatic transmission is, right? Ireland had 9 imported cases in the last two weeks, from, utter shocker, the UK and Sweden.


  • #69
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    gilberto_eire wrote: »
    Let's be honest if we couldn't set up our immigration processing at the airport to avoid letting these people do whatever they want when they come here, they ain't going to do it for a temporary virus.

    A temporary virus? It's here to stay.


  • #70
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,269 ✭✭✭threeball


    Anyone coming in from abroad should have to register themselves through an app and have their movements tracked. If they turn off the app they should get an immediate call from the authorities.


  • #71
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    threeball wrote: »
    Anyone coming in from abroad should have to register themselves through an app and have their movements tracked. If they turn off the app they should get an immediate call from the authorities.

    Just leave the phone at home, no, while you go to the shops? An ankle tag would be better. Or a collar like in The Running Man


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  • #72
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,269 ✭✭✭threeball


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Just leave the phone at home, no, while you go to the shops? An ankle tag would be better. Or a collar like in The Running Man

    Well why don't we just open up entirely and let the last 3 months count for nothing. Then we can get the permanent 20% unemployment figure that might keep you happy as long as you have freedom to move around as you please.


  • #73
    theological
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,831 ✭✭✭theological


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    There should be a list published weekly with travel bans for certain countries. It should be based on the level of C19 in those countries

    Here’s a few off top of my head to kick it off

    America
    Brazil
    Sweden
    Iran

    And to be honest the UK should probably be on the list too


    Again just to remind you, 1 in 1700 people in the UK have active coronavirus. The risk is astronomically small. It is incorrect to put the UK in the same league as the other countries you've listed.

    Anyhow, I'm grand to stay here, particularly if the reception I get on returning it anything like some of the posts on this thread. Like an ankle tag or a tracking app, janey mac! On the plus side it looks like the national lockdown measures are going to be effectively removed from the 4th of July here. It might be nice to enjoy life in England a bit before it comes back in the autumn. What do you reckon?


  • #74
    gral6
    Registered Users Posts: 715 ✭✭✭gral6


    threeball wrote: »
    Anyone coming in from abroad should have to register themselves through an app and have their movements tracked. If they turn off the app they should get an immediate call from the authorities.


    If they turn off the app they should get an immediate shot in the head!
    Let's eradicate the virus !


  • #75
    Van.Bosch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,935 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch


    threeball wrote: »
    Anyone coming in from abroad should have to register themselves through an app and have their movements tracked. If they turn off the app they should get an immediate call from the authorities.

    If they turn off the app they prob won’t answer the phone if they are called?


  • #76
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,269 ✭✭✭threeball


    Van.Bosch wrote: »
    If they turn off the app they prob won’t answer the phone if they are called?

    Then fine them leaving the country. Its not difficult, if you come in and flout the rules you pay. What gives anyone the right to go to a foreign country and do as they please. Maybe I'll head over to the states and drive on the left because their rules don't suit me.


  • #77
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    There's been a high number of Brazilian students in Dublin for years now. Surely those with the money to do so will escape their country, their crazy bástard "leader" and still fly here if that was the plan?

    After a long lockdown and very cautious reopening, our current great numbers will mean nothing by September


  • #78
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    The 7-day average is now as low as 11 cases per day

    It's a shame that 3 months of sacrifices by the majority of Irish will be undone soon with our ridiculously open airports

    If you agree, write to your local TD. Internet posts won't change things


  • #79
    theological
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,831 ✭✭✭theological


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    There's been a high number of Brazilian students in Dublin for years now. Surely those with the money to do so will escape their country, their crazy bástard "leader" and still fly here if that was the plan?

    After a long lockdown and very cautious reopening, our current great numbers will mean nothing by September

    Can you please back up this claim with some evidence?

    For example - how many people are entering Ireland from Brazil on a daily basis? Is there even a direct flight to Brazil from Dublin?

    You might want to pick up some of my other posts about why I think your concern about the UK is ill-founded.


  • #80
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    theological wrote: »
    Can you please back up this claim with some evidence?


    Don't be that person who says "link?" and "source?" in their Internet replies

    I'm a Dubliner and I'm using my eyes, ears and common sense. Brazilians come to the capital in their droves every year. Heck, as a male all you need to do is spend 5 mins on Tinder to see this

    If they were planning to come to Dublin this Summer you'd best believe the majority still will. If for nothing else than to escape their genuinely insane leader

    Brazil is absolutely riddled with Covid and is one of a few countries that shouldn't be allowed in Ireland

    Otherwise, what was the last 3 months for?


  • #81
    [Deleted User]
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    Italy’s deaths and new infections today are less than ours, on a per capita basis. There’s your first air bridge right there (if they want us, that is, given that our numbers are worse)


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  • #82
    theological
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,831 ✭✭✭theological


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    Don't be that person who says "link?" and "source?" in their Internet replies

    I'm a Dubliner and I'm using my eyes, ears and common sense. Brazilians come to the capital in their droves every year. Heck, as a male all you need to do is spend 5 mins on Tinder to see this

    If they were planning to come to Dublin this Summer you'd best believe the majority still will. If for nothing else than to escape their genuinely insane leader

    Brazil is absolutely riddled with Covid and is one of a few countries that shouldn't be allowed in Ireland

    Otherwise, what was the last 3 months for?

    No, you're not "using your eyes and ears". There are no flights coming into Dublin from Rio de Janiero or any other city in Brazil.

    It is fine to raise concerns, but these concerns should be evidence based.

    I did some more research for you, out of the hub airports in Europe, there is 1 flight a day to Charles de Gaulle, Schiphol, and Frankfurt. There are none to Heathrow.

    I guess there is a miniscule risk that some of these passengers will be headed to Dublin. I suspect the vast majority will not be given that they would need to apply for 2 separate visas to be able to do so. Then the risk that the particular passengers that do this have COVID as well. Well, given that any of these passengers actually are flying to Dublin (I doubt it) that is also another improbable jump.

    Care to tell me how many Brazilians arrived in Dublin in the last week based on data?


  • #83
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    theological wrote: »

    Care to tell me how many Brazilians arrived in Dublin in the last week based on data?


    You seem to be quite pre-occupied by this question, so maybe you can answer it?


  • #84
    theological
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,831 ✭✭✭theological


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    You seem to be quite pre-occupied by this question, so maybe you can answer it?


    I'm not going to do all your homework for you!

    Look, you're the one fearmongering on this thread making out that there are hordes of Brazilians coming into Dublin Airport at the moment. If that is true you should be able to back it up. Otherwise people are going to call you out on it.


  • #85
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    theological wrote: »
    I'm not going to do all your homework for you!

    And I'm not spending 10 minutes or more research to answer your question

    You're derailing the thread making it all about Brazil when it's not just about them

    Other countries that shouldn't be allowed in:
    • USA and all of South America, apart from Uruguay. Last I read, they'd a handle on this
    • Sweden
    • And Germany and Portugal should be on a Maybe list


  • #86
    theological
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,831 ✭✭✭theological


    There are no flights to Dublin from South America. Zero. Why are you stating this as if it is a concrete risk?

    If you're not willing to back up your posts with facts, then you'll have to forgive other posters for saying that your posts are nonsense.


  • #87
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    theological wrote: »
    There are no flights to Dublin from South America. Zero. Why are you stating this as if it is a concrete risk?

    If you're not willing to back up your posts with facts, then you'll have to forgive other posters for saying that your posts are nonsense.


    Almost every long haul flight I took before March involved a Stopover airport in the middle

    So you're saying people from South America can't and won't enter Ireland via - for example - Heathrow?


  • #88
    theological
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,831 ✭✭✭theological


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    Almost every long haul flight I took before March involved a Stopover airport in the middle

    So you're saying people from South America can't and won't enter Ireland via - for example - Heathrow?


    There's no flight from Brazil to Heathrow either as I pointed out to you previously. There is a plane every day to each of Schiphol, Charles de Gaulle and Frankfurt. On a quick scan of the much reduced arrivals on the Heathrow website I can see no flights from South America at all in the next two days.

    In all of these cases as pointed out to you already you would two visas to enter Ireland. One for the Schengen Area to get to The Netherlands, France or Germany and then an Irish visa.

    I think I'll call nonsense on the idea that there's hordes of people from South America arriving in Dublin at the moment.


  • #89
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,999 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    Other countries that shouldn't be allowed in:
    • Sweden
    • And Germany and Portugal should be on a Maybe list

    Why Germany, they have had much less deaths than Ireland.
    Sweden's figures are similar to Ireland.
    And I believe Portugal's figures are lower than Ireland.


  • #90
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    Why Germany, they have had much less deaths than Ireland.
    Sweden's figures are similar to Ireland.
    And I believe Portugal's figures are lower than Ireland.

    From what I've read over the last few days:

    Germany are having a big fresh spike

    Portugal's numbers are rising in Lisbon
    authorities are worried that several hundred new cases are being found every day in Greater Lisbon

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/22/portugal-restores-curfew-tackle-coronavirus-spike-lisbon/


    And Sweden?

    Seriously?


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  • #91
    milli milli
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭milli milli


    StefanFal wrote: »
    Why Sweden? You don't exactly have great numbers regarding the death rates in Ireland either. Like us in Sweden you murdered the elderly too.

    I am coming in with a group of friends from Stockholm for a week's cycling in the west. We don't intend having any contact with the locals. Purely cycling.

    This Coronavirus has taught me theres no point arguing with selfish people - they’ll just continue to suit themselves.

    Ireland needs to sort this out as soon as possible. As others have said we’ll be undoing everything.


  • #92
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,999 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    From what I've read over the last few days:

    Germany are having a big fresh spike

    Portugal's numbers are rising in Lisbon

    And Sweden?

    Seriously?

    Germany are operating a very efficient track, trace, test system, those spikes are in reference to clusters appearing in meat processing plants and the cramped accommodation the migrant workers live in.

    Portugal have done much better with early action than their close neighbour Spain. Yet no mention of it being "high risk?"

    Sweden went another way, and there's a whole thread on it so debate it there.


    There's no vaccine and Covid is still causing infections everywhere.. But to say that Germany is a "high risk" country is just pure rubbish.


  • #93
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    Why Germany, they have had much less deaths than Ireland.
    Sweden's figures are similar to Ireland.
    And I believe Portugal's figures are lower than Ireland.

    Ireland has the highest amount of health care workers becoming infected than any other country on the planet.

    Per capita of course


  • #94
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    to say that Germany is a "high risk" country is just pure rubbish.


    That wasn't said

    I said they should be a on a Maybe list. As in a "keep an eye on them" list

    Sure all of this back and forth is for nothing anyway. Boards posts won't make an iota of difference to whether it's open season at our airports

    If you feel strongly about how ridiculously lax our airports are:
    • Email/write to your local TD
    • If you're a regular on Twitter, try tagging respectable journalists
    Both have a chance of better results than debating with strangers on the internet


  • #95
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,139 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    Don't be that person who says "link?" and "source?" in their Internet replies

    I'm a Dubliner and I'm using my eyes, ears and common sense. Brazilians come to the capital in their droves every year. Heck, as a male all you need to do is spend 5 mins on Tinder to see this

    If they were planning to come to Dublin this Summer you'd best believe the majority still will. If for nothing else than to escape their genuinely insane leader

    Brazil is absolutely riddled with Covid and is one of a few countries that shouldn't be allowed in Ireland

    Otherwise, what was the last 3 months for?

    Almost all Brazilians come to Ireland on Study/Work visas and when the schools closed down they went to online classes.
    At the same time the immigration offices closed (and remain so) so Visas that were due to expire were renewed (until at least July 20th at present).

    However as all schools are closed at present and as immigration offices are closed (and you have to present papers at immigration to show you are enrolled in a recognised course and have 80%+ attendance), no new students are coming into the country and haven't been since March.
    You can't get through the Airport immigration without showing that you are enrolled in a course or proof that you are coming purely for tourism.

    The Brazilians that are here now are the same ones who were here before the pandemic kicked off here (and long before it kicked off in Brazil).


  • #96
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,999 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    That wasn't said
    I said they should be a on a Maybe list. As in a "keep an eye on them" list
    Sure all of this back and forth is for nothing anyway. Boards posts won't make an iota of difference to whether it's open season at our airports
    If you feel strongly about how ridiculously lax are airports are:
    • Email/write to your local TD
    • If you're a regular on Twitter, try tagging respectable journalists
    Both have a chance of better results than debating with strangers on the internet

    When I see Germany on some sort of fantasy maybe maybe not list it makes me laugh, and Portugal as well who've done relatively well compared to Spain etc.

    Go write to your own T.D, you started this thread FFS...:rolleyes:


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  • #97
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    Tenzor07 wrote: »

    Go write to your own T.D, you started this thread FFS...:rolleyes:


    I was suggesting it to others as a better option than online "debates"

    I emailed my local TD days ago, thanks for asking though


  • #98
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    Some great looking news



    https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1275486316432625665


  • #99
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    Countries on the E.U. draft lists have been selected as safe based on a combination of epidemiological criteria. The benchmark is the E.U. average number of new infections — over the past 14 days — per 100,000 people, which is currently 16 for the bloc.



    The comparable number for the United States is 107, while Brazil’s is 190 and Russia’s is 80, according to a Times database.


    Once diplomats agree on a final list, it will be presented as a recommendation early next week before July 1. The E.U. can’t force members to adopt it, but European officials warn that failure of any of the 27 members to stick to it could lead to the reintroduction of borders within the bloc.


    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/23/world/europe/coronavirus-EU-American-travel-ban.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur


  • #100
    [Deleted User]
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    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    Some great looking news



    https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1275486316432625665

    In fairness Americans have been banned from most EU countries for a number of weeks (other than EU residents and essential travel). It is reciprocal, as they banned EU arrivals (other than citizens and families of citizens). This is about continuing that stance as borders are relaxed. Ireland and the UK are quite unique I think in not having banned Americans


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    DebDynamite
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    In fairness Americans have been banned from most EU countries for a number of weeks (other than EU residents and essential travel). It is reciprocal, as they banned EU arrivals (other than citizens and families of citizens). This is about continuing that stance as borders are relaxed. Ireland and the UK are quite unique I think in not having banned Americans

    Good news too if it’s the EU making that call, as Ireland, ever the sycophant, would hate to offend the US


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