Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings

Professor Moriarty · 30-05-2020 1:45pm

Tenzor07 wrote: »

An estimate, based on a mathematical model, could be 50%, again we don't know without mass-Immunological testing...

Yeah. Nor do we know what level of immunity after recovery. Interestingly, a recent study found 128 people out of 217 on an unnamed cruise ship contracted Covid-19. 80% were found to be asymptomatic.

MickeyLeari · 30-05-2020 1:45pm

Stheno wrote: »

Article in the the Irish Times (I think) this morning showed Dublin peaked April 10th and the rest of the country a week later on April 17th

Six weeks ago

I presume that both Italy and Spain peaked not long before that?

Tenzor07 · 30-05-2020 1:46pm

nickkinneg wrote: »

"Reports say the passenger took a COVID-19 test before he travelled because he had been in contact with someone who had died from the virus and had attended the funeral.

However, he left before the result came in and it was only revealed he was positive when the aircraft was in mid-air"

Oh dear! I guess that can happen, however in this case I think this passenger should have been socially responsible and not travelled while he awaited a test.

Also means that testing needs to be easily available and fast...

fleet_admiral · 30-05-2020 1:48pm

fret_wimp2 wrote: »

the rules are a 5k radius.
Radius is a straight line from the perimeter of a circle to the center of the same circle.
There are tools to even show you what that is.

Here is a circle of 5 k radius encompassing the entire phoenix park & stephens green.
In case its not clear, someone can go from one side of the circle to the other.

I guess its no wonder you break the rules, you dont even understand them.
There could be a plus, you may not have been actually breaking them even though you were trying!

I'm literally at the bottom of that circle so Phoenix Park here I come

Stheno · 30-05-2020 1:50pm

MickeyLeari wrote: »

I presume that both Italy and Spain peaked not long before that?

Think they peaked three weeks before

Idbatterim · 30-05-2020 1:50pm

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Oh uh, i am looking at Ryanair website now to book return tickets Dublin to Berlin for 100 euros roundtrip and see a 4 star city centre 9/10 rated hotel for 3 nights with breakfast and free cancellation 268 euros.

What do i do?

These low prices are hypnotising

book it for 9 nights!

is_that_so · 30-05-2020 1:50pm

MickeyLeari wrote: »

I cannot post a link but there is a story in the Cork Examiner on what Holohan said at the presser yesterday.

- in respect to easing the lockdown he said we are different than other countries in Europe in terms of our peak - is this the case particularly if we exclude nursing home deaths? (the blame lies with Tony and Simon on that one).
- he does not foresee air travel in the short term and people should not make plans (who TF made this guy the Government).

The Government from next week needs to stop these press conferences and make them politician led. Michael O’Leary and Michael Smurfit are right - this man is dangerous.

You should read the full roadmap plan, especially Page 5 on flexibility. Eventually public health advice will be superseded by other advice and considerations. You should also have realised by now that the CMO does not ever do future prognostication. His answers are always about now. They also retain a lot of public support for how we are doing even if there is a belief of a rising tide here!

FintanMcluskey · 30-05-2020 1:51pm

iamwhoiam wrote: »

As low as possible is not at all clear .It is only so they can move the goalposts as they see fit
Technically as low as possible means zero

My post was loaded with sarcasm.

Tony's evening press conference are an education in smoke and mirrors.

Its a sad day when journalism is so poor that NPHET can, unquestionably, restrict Irelands citizen's months after folks in Spain are having meals in restaurant's.

RTE are an echo chamber of tripe, I refuse to listen to any broadcast without Ivan Yates asking the questions

Stheno · 30-05-2020 1:55pm

Govt statistics some good info here

https://twitter.com/AnnNolanTCGH/status/1266630742471294976?s=19

Cork Boy 53 · 30-05-2020 1:58pm

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I have an infectious smile and careless attitude and want to live life to the fullest.

And with your careless attitude are you sure that it`s only your smile that is infectious and that you are not preventing somebody else, maybe even someone close to you, living life to the fullest?

MickeyLeari · 30-05-2020 1:58pm

Stheno wrote: »

Think they peaked three weeks before

The reality is that we need to be 90% open by end June.

Ginger n Lemon · 30-05-2020 2:01pm

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

And with your careless attitude are you sure that it`s only your smile that is infectious and that you are not preventing somebody else, maybe even someone close to you, living life to the fullest?

Yes.

MickeyLeari · 30-05-2020 2:02pm

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

My post was loaded with sarcasm.

Tony's evening press conference are an education in smoke and mirrors.

Its a sad day when journalism is so poor that NPHET can, unquestionably, restrict Irelands citizen's months after folks in Spain are having meals in restaurant's.

RTE are an echo chamber of tripe, I refuse to listen to any broadcast without Ivan Yates asking the questions

End those pressers. They are just disruptive now

FintanMcluskey · 30-05-2020 2:05pm

MickeyLeari wrote: »

End those pressers. They are just disruptive now

Exactly. End them immediately.

Won't happen though, I genuinely believe the medical professionals and certain immunologist's are loving the media attention.
That dude from Cork is outrageous with his gibberish

Thelonious Monk · 30-05-2020 2:09pm

The whole thing has been a charade and a farce for weeks now. There is zero social distancing going on in parks and other places where people gather, people are driving wherever they like, and there is no enforcement of the so called rules.
Why are they continuing with pretending we are in lockdown? I mean either f*cking do it properly or dont do it at all. My life is fine the way things are right now, so it doesn't even bother me personally, but the whole thing is a joke and I don't know why they're continuing to play along with this nonsense.

stephenjmcd · 30-05-2020 2:09pm

Down at my local beach, fairly busy, 2 Gardaí walking the seafront not taking any notice to groups etc, a women went up to them giving out that people were on the seafront who were well more than 5k from home, one Garda replied,"What do you want us to do, arrest or fine them all ?" and they walked on.

Even they can't be bothered now

mloc123 · 30-05-2020 2:12pm

seamusk84 wrote: »

So what potential phase three measures might Leo might bring forward to phase two at the press conference this Friday?
An earlier reopening date for the restaurants and cafes? I predict so.

Based on the childcare stuff yesterday, it seems that some of that will move from phase 4 to phase 3

Jim Root · 30-05-2020 2:13pm

road_high wrote: »

You should see Leo’s Facebook. Full of donkeys congratulating him. Our record is shocking thanks to useless HSE Nphet and Harris.

Full of what?

Stheno · 30-05-2020 2:14pm

A lot of the narrative in the media today seems to be leaning towards a quicker easing

Wonder if the govt are using the fourth estate as a soft landing to announcing greater easing?

Jim Root · 30-05-2020 2:15pm

MickeyLeari wrote: »

I cannot post a link but there is a story in the Cork Examiner on what Holohan said at the presser yesterday.

- in respect to easing the lockdown he said we are different than other countries in Europe in terms of our peak - is this the case particularly if we exclude nursing home deaths? (the blame lies with Tony and Simon on that one).
- he does not foresee air travel in the short term and people should not make plans (who TF made this guy the Government).

The Government from next week needs to stop these press conferences and make them politician led. Michael O’Leary and Michael Smurfit are right - this man is dangerous.

What an outrageous slur to make. He’s a medical doctor. Do you expect him to make any guidance that increases medical risk?

Ginger n Lemon · 30-05-2020 2:16pm

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Down at my local beach, fairly busy, 2 Gardaí walking the seafront not taking any notice to groups etc, a women went up to them giving out that people were on the seafront who were well more than 5k from home, one Garda replied,"What do you want us to do, arrest or fine them all ?" and they walked on.

Even they can't be bothered now

Brilliant :pac::pac::pac:

If Fintan from this thread worked in Gardai, thats what he wudve responded with also

Idbatterim · 30-05-2020 2:19pm

Spanish arent making tourits quarantine from the 1st July. Many flights are E140 return and even good accomodation is a pittance lad!!! just checking it out now.

Get on it! youll even be able to get luxuries like hair cuts and two euro pints, youll be able to eat out in resteraunts outside with gorgeous views for a pittance...

niallo27 · 30-05-2020 2:20pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

The whole thing has been a charade and a farce for weeks now. There is zero social distancing going on in parks and other places where people gather, people are driving wherever they like, and there is no enforcement of the so called rules.
Why are they continuing with pretending we are in lockdown? I mean either f*cking do it properly or dont do it at all. My life is fine the way things are right now, so it doesn't even bother me personally, but the whole thing is a joke and I don't know why they're continuing to play along with this nonsense.

Is this not a good sign, cases have fallen to nothing, hospitals are empty, very few deaths while all this has been happening.

road_high · 30-05-2020 2:21pm

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Exactly. End them immediately.

Won't happen though, I genuinely believe the medical professionals and certain immunologist's are loving the media attention.
That dude from Cork is outrageous with his gibberish

Indeed so many experts- funnily enough, not one of them have the foresight to stop or massively reduce our cases... but know it all long after the horse has bolted.

Thelonious Monk · 30-05-2020 2:22pm

niallo27 wrote: »

Is this not a good sign, cases have fallen to nothing, hospitals are empty, very few deaths while all this has been happening.

well it's a sign that our police are a bunch of useless clowns that no one respects, that the government's message means nothing, and that there's no point continuing the whole circus act any more

Idbatterim · 30-05-2020 2:22pm

Jim Root wrote: »

What an outrageous slur to make. He’s a medical doctor. Do you expect him to make any guidance that increases medical risk?

this IS the same holoan involved in the cervical cancer disgrace? he was trying to have it all his own way then too, asking Harris to leave the review to him :rolleyes:

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/top-medic-advised-against-cervical-check-review-910324.html

that clown would be long gone in any other country!

Idbatterim · 30-05-2020 2:23pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

well it's a sign that our police are a bunch of useless clowns that no one respects, that the government's message means nothing, and that there's no point continuing the whole circus act any more

the guards here have the authority of the boy scouts. But its not them I have contempt for, its the moron politicians, they are by far this biggest culprits in this shambles!

That Varadkar fraud, couldnt lead you out of a Kylie minogue concert!

FintanMcluskey · 30-05-2020 2:24pm

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Brilliant :pac::pac::pac:

If Fintan from this thread worked in Gardai, thats what he wudve responded with also

Nah I'd be more like dirty Harry, did I fire 5 shots or 6 lockdown Larry??

Idbatterim · 30-05-2020 2:26pm

will that disgrace Holohan be put before the public on a current affairs programme I wonder?

MickeyLeari · 30-05-2020 2:27pm

Jim Root wrote: »

What an outrageous slur to make. He’s a medical doctor. Do you expect him to make any guidance that increases medical risk?

Is it an outrageous slur that an unelected official is making executive decisions? That is what I meant and perhaps I should have been clearer on that point.

Idbatterim · 30-05-2020 2:29pm

MickeyLeari wrote: »

Is it an outrageous slur that an unelected official is making executive decisions? That is what I meant and perhaps I should have been clearer on that point.

who gave him that power? I doubt it was himself? it was likely pass the parcel leo...

titan18 · 30-05-2020 2:36pm

MickeyLeari wrote: »

Is it an outrageous slur that an unelected official is making executive decisions? That is what I meant and perhaps I should have been clearer on that point.

You think we should elect medical officers?

MickeyLeari · 30-05-2020 2:40pm

titan18 wrote: »

You think we should elect medical officers?

You missed the point. The point is that the Government has abdicated responsibility. And that is dangerous for society, for the economy, for democracy and indeed for non Covid medical issues.

ChikiChiki · 30-05-2020 2:40pm

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Down at my local beach, fairly busy, 2 Gardaí walking the seafront not taking any notice to groups etc, a women went up to them giving out that people were on the seafront who were well more than 5k from home, one Garda replied,"What do you want us to do, arrest or fine them all ?" and they walked on.

Even they can't be bothered now

I wouldn't blame them tbh. The responsibility of compliance needs to be pushed onto the public and the public needs to be responsible for calling anyone out who is outside the guidelines.

Penfailed · 30-05-2020 3:01pm

fleet_admiral wrote: »

I'm literally at the bottom of that circle so Phoenix Park here I come

Stick your Eircode into this - https://2kmfromhome.com/

road_high · 30-05-2020 3:10pm

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Down at my local beach, fairly busy, 2 Gardaí walking the seafront not taking any notice to groups etc, a women went up to them giving out that people were on the seafront who were well more than 5k from home, one Garda replied,"What do you want us to do, arrest or fine them all ?" and they walked on.

Even they can't be bothered now

Brilliant. So even the Gardai are sick of the curtain twitchers now. What sad fcuks those yokes are. Lot of that tribalism has emerged in this, particularly in relation to beaches and popular beauty spots- local inbreds using their faux health concerns as an excuse to have local places all to themselves. Wexford being a classic example. As one dub rightly pointed out what if they blocked off the city to workers from Wexford? Clowns

utyh2ikcq9z76b · 30-05-2020 3:27pm

Just in Woodies and it's a disgrace, no system at all, queue for till is between the main lanes, people walking on top of people, far to many in the shop. Far better/safer system in Homebase

Micky 32 · 30-05-2020 3:28pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

The whole thing has been a charade and a farce for weeks now. There is zero social distancing going on in parks and other places where people gather, people are driving wherever they like, and there is no enforcement of the so called rules.
Why are they continuing with pretending we are in lockdown? I mean either f*cking do it properly or dont do it at all. My life is fine the way things are right now, so it doesn't even bother me personally, but the whole thing is a joke and I don't know why they're continuing to play along with this nonsense.

.... and yet hospital admissions are down including icu, deaths and new cases.

Micky 32 · 30-05-2020 3:44pm

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Down at my local beach, fairly busy, 2 Gardaí walking the seafront not taking any notice to groups etc, a women went up to them giving out that people were on the seafront who were well more than 5k from home, one Garda replied,"What do you want us to do, arrest or fine them all ?" and they walked on.

Even they can't be bothered now

The two cops probably have to hear that day in day out from the curtain brigade.

I would say that the 2 complainants were more upset about not having the beach for themselves.

MickeyLeari · 30-05-2020 3:47pm

Travis Numerous Steamer wrote: »

Just in Woodies and it's a disgrace, no system at all, queue for till is between the main lanes, people walking on top of people, far to many in the shop. Far better/safer system in Homebase

That is not on. Just came from Dunnes and a fishmongers - top notch and polite social distancing.

is_that_so · 30-05-2020 3:49pm

MickeyLeari wrote: »

Is it an outrageous slur that an unelected official is making executive decisions? That is what I meant and perhaps I should have been clearer on that point.

He's not making executive decisions, they are following the NPHET advice for now. It's just advice.

Doctor Jimbob · 30-05-2020 4:00pm

road_high wrote: »

Brilliant. So even the Gardai are sick of the curtain twitchers now. What sad fcuks those yokes are. Lot of that tribalism has emerged in this, particularly in relation to beaches and popular beauty spots- local inbreds using their faux health concerns as an excuse to have local places all to themselves. Wexford being a classic example. As one dub rightly pointed out what if they blocked off the city to workers from Wexford? Clowns

The Gardai have been leaving people using even the smallest bit of cop on alone since the start of this. I live in an apartment overlooking a busy public area and the only people the Gardai have gone near are groups of 10+ and those drinking in public causing a scene.

MickeyLeari · 30-05-2020 4:05pm

is_that_so wrote: »

He's not making executive decisions, they are following the NPHET advice for now. It's just advice.

Did he not overrule the Taoiseach a few weeks back? I think Alan Kelly described it as a very poor sign for the body politic.

The Govt regulations on travel run out on 16 June. Why is he anticipating what the Government will say.

The structures and governance (and this is the fault of the Government) are seriously flawed and we will all be paying the price for a long long time.

Benimar · 30-05-2020 4:09pm

MickeyLeari wrote: »

Did he not overrule the Taoiseach a few weeks back? I think Alan Kelly described it as a very poor sign for the body politic.

The Govt regulations on travel run out on 16 June. Why is he anticipating what the Government will say.

The structures and governance (and this is the fault of the Government) are seriously flawed and we will all be paying the price for a long long time.

He didn’t agree with Leo when Leo started shouting his mouth off about it being safe to return to school because of one piece of research.

Not agreeing isn’t the same as over ruling. It’s Leo’s call at the end of the day.

Jayesdiem · 30-05-2020 4:11pm

Travis Numerous Steamer wrote: »

Just in Woodies and it's a disgrace, no system at all, queue for till is between the main lanes, people walking on top of people, far to many in the shop. Far better/safer system in Homebase

I’m sorry but this is one of the best pieces of news I’ve heard all week: people being normal again. In terms of regrettable legacies, the permanent paranoia that will dictate new behaviours comes a distant second to the unfortunate deaths we have witnessed. However, it’ll be a daily reminder about how soft and fragile our society has become. The people falling over each other in Woodies have made a risk vs reward calculation in their heads and have correctly (in my opinion), concluded that prancing around imaginary personal boundaries and hiding behind absurd face coverings is no way to live. I would suggest to you that if the way people behaved 12 short weeks ago is a threat and insult to you now, you stay out of their way rather than expecting them to stay out of yours. Maybe you can outsource your daily errands to someone who isn’t afraid of their own shadow.

crossman47 · 30-05-2020 4:12pm

Benimar wrote: »

He didn’t agree with Leo when Leo started shouting his mouth off about it being safe to return to school because of one piece of research.

Not agreeing isn’t the same as over ruling. It’s Leo’s call at the end of the day.

That's it exactly. Holohan is doing his job as a medical advisor. The government can ignore him if they think that is the correct thing to do but they need a fall guy if it goes wrong.

crossman47 · 30-05-2020 4:14pm

Jayesdiem wrote: »

I’m sorry but this is one of the best pieces of news I’ve heard all week: people being normal again. In terms of regrettable legacies, the permanent paranoia that will dictate new behaviours comes a distant second to the unfortunate deaths we have witnessed. However, it’ll be a daily reminder about how soft and fragile our society has become. The people falling over each other in Woodies have made a risk vs reward calculation in their heads and have correctly (in my opinion), concluded that prancing around imaginary personal boundaries and hiding behind absurd face coverings is no way to live. I would suggest to you that if the way people behaved 12 short weeks ago is a threat and insult to you now, you stay out of their way rather than expecting them to stay out of yours. Maybe you can outsource your daily errands to someone who isn’t afraid of their own shadow.

People are free to put themselves at risk but they shouldn't be putting others at risk. This virus is still around so people should still take care.

MickeyLeari · 30-05-2020 4:15pm

Benimar wrote: »

He didn’t agree with Leo when Leo started shouting his mouth off about it being safe to return to school because of one piece of research.

Not agreeing isn’t the same as over ruling. It’s Leo’s call at the end of the day.

Well as someone who is eminently more qualified than Mr. Holohan in economics and indeed corporate governance, I believe that the current decision making process will damage the economy, lead to job losses and cause reputational damage to Ireland.

crossman47 · 30-05-2020 4:18pm

MickeyLeari wrote: »

Well as someone who is eminently more qualified than Mr. Holohan in economics and indeed corporate governance, I believe that the current decision making process will damage the economy, lead to job losses and cause reputational damage to Ireland.

The current process should, if working properly, result in the cabinet making decisions. it isn't the CMO's fault if they are hiding behind him. He can't change the advice he gives as a medical professional.

Jayesdiem · 30-05-2020 4:18pm

crossman47 wrote: »

People are free to put themselves at risk but they shouldn't be putting others at risk. This virus is still around so people should still take care.

They aren’t putting others at risk. The only people who are facing a risk are those who, in the belief that this is a universally deadly virus, still venture outside their homes. If they believe the risk is so great, they should stay at home. Once they get their head out of the sand, they should return to society.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings