Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings

alta stare · 30-05-2020 10:15am

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I think you're being harsh on yourself. More selfish and stupid.

Ooooh that hurt. Please dont say those kind of things.

I think you need to relax there. Go out and enjoy the sunshine. You will find it liberating.

Would you like to know my schedule today? Todays drive will take me from Kilkenny - Waterford - Wexford and guess what....i wont endanger or kill anyone on my way. Iv been doing those kind of trips for the last 4 years......not one death yet....amazing.

Idbatterim · 30-05-2020 10:15am

Thanks alta. Listen this vegas thing amuses me. I like getting away and socialising, believe me, this being brought up all the time, does nothing but humour me. At the start, the cautious mentality I can understand, the way its played out now, it needs to be opened up again as quick as reasonably possible. Those who are scared if getting virus, do what you've done the last few weeks. Free choice. They have an obsession with wanting to control others... I'll do what I like within reason. That's the way this country operates from top to bottom

retro:electro · 30-05-2020 10:17am

I follow a girl on Instagram who went back to nursing when all of this kicked off in order to help out. She said last night that she has been off for the last few days and isn’t sure when she’ll be working again because the wards are so quiet. This is in a busy Dublin hospital so what does that tell you for the rest of the hospitals across the country.

What in God’s name is going on here? Leo stood up in March and asked us all to do our bit, repeatedly told us to flatten the curve and to stay at home to prevent a surge, and to give the system a chance to prepare.

He never told us to say goodbye to our families as we likely won’t see them again for another three to four months. He never said to say goodbye to freedom as we know is because we won’t be allowed to travel outside of 5k for another three months. And he never said this will continue on until we are “there” without ever clarifying what “there” actually is.

That was last March. It is now almost June and despite doing what was asked of us, we are still being strung along and the country effectively paralysed with the exception of garden centres and supermarkets. People who want to get back to work aren’t allowed, and people who need to access life saving screenings aren’t allowed and there’s no resumption date in line either.

All of this, despite tumbleweeds blowing in our hospitals and a case rate so manageable that hospital capacity is actually down on this time last year. Yet so many out there seem to be okay with this? I can only speculate it’s because these people are doing their own thing anyway, still seeing family and happy to snap up the €350 payment for doing sweet f all while the country rots.

Idbatterim · 30-05-2020 10:19am

Above post... yeah , great weather, many on the e350 payment better off than before. Bit of novelty about the situation still. Wait until winter and the budget, doom and gloom and payback time. It's going to be as different from now as it gets...

Professor Moriarty · 30-05-2020 10:20am

MickeyLeari wrote: »

I have largely stayed compliant with the rules but luckily I have been in a position that I can and still have a reasonable standard of life (Of course there have been sacrifices).

I was willing to support the lockdown until the end of April but think the decisions since then have been awful. We have a committee of 33 people (most but not all medics) led by a stubborn civil servant and answerable to a weak Minister taking the most important decisions of a generation.

There is little or no consideration for SMEs and there is a lack of awareness of the long term damage this shut down will lead to. It is frightening when you see the damage we are facing - many of our semi States are in serious trouble, as is our airline industry (Ryanair will survive but what about Aer Lingus?), and indeed our sports organisations are in serious financial difficultly. There will be hundreds of thousands on the dole queues. They are flushing out whole economy and society down the toilet.

Thankfully in some respects the narrative over the last week seems to have caught up with the minority view here. Interventions from Martin, O’Callaghan, O’Leary, Smurfit, Danny McCoy, Ivan Yates and Mark Paul in the Irish Times have been very welcome - although sadly our national broadcaster Is not showing balance.

Good post. People I feel most sorry for in this are the people who have died, the bereaved, people losing their business, people losing their jobs and the likes of Vradakar, Harris, Holohan et al who had to make state-changing decisions. People who are outraged because they can't fly to Spain or go on the piss in a pub are just pampered fools.

Professor Moriarty · 30-05-2020 10:21am

alta stare wrote: »

Ooooh that hurt. Please dont say those kind of things.

I think you need to relax there. Go out and enjoy the sunshine. You will find it liberating.

Would you like to know my schedule today? Todays drive will take me from Kilkenny - Waterford - Wexford and guess what....i wont endanger or kill anyone on my way. Iv been doing those kind of trips for the last 4 years......not one death yet....amazing.

To be perfectly honest, I don't give a sh1t what you do.

Jackman25 · 30-05-2020 10:22am

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

To be perfectly honest, I don't give a sh1t what you do.

Why should you. No one should.
That's the point.

alta stare · 30-05-2020 10:24am

Idbatterim wrote: »

Thanks alta. Listen this vegas thing amuses me. I like getting away and socialising, believe me, this being brought up all the time, does nothing but humour me. At the start, the cautious mentality I can understand, the way its played out now, it needs to be opened up again as quick as reasonably possible. Those who are scared if getting virus, do what you've done the last few weeks. Free choice. They have an obsession with wanting to control others... I'll do what I like within reason. That's the way this country operates from top to bottom

I know they say ignore the ignorant but i actually enjoy having debates with them. They are predictable and excitable. It is only a matter of time before they get personal (as they have with you) or start reporting posts to the sometimes over zealous mods. You tend to know how irked they are when they start going over your past posts

I have posted over a thousand times on this website and not once during a debate have i ever done such a sad thing. Unfortunately this kind of thing is par for the course here so it is best to take it as you have been. They cant keep their argument moving forward with an insult or repetition.

alta stare · 30-05-2020 10:25am

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

To be perfectly honest, I don't give a sh1t what you do.

You seem to care enough to insult me. Have i touched a nerve?

Ginger n Lemon · 30-05-2020 10:26am

Jackman25 wrote: »

Why should you. No one should.
That's the point.

I can confirm this is the case with social distancing in both Supervalu and Aldi. No queues no security at the door in the last 5 days.

Does anyone know when is the announcement on 350 a week payment extension? I think Paschal been waiting for this 750bn recovery fund announcement, to find out 1.91bn allocated to us surely thats not even enough to keep 1m on 350 euro a week for 6 weeks?

polesheep · 30-05-2020 10:26am

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Good post. People I feel most sorry for in this are the people who have died, the bereaved, people losing their business, people losing their jobs and the likes of Vradakar, Harris, Holohan et al who had to make state-changing decisions. People who are outraged because they can't fly to Spain or go on the piss in a pub are just pampered fools.

The reality is that, prior to the outbreak, most of those who died were already staring down the barrel of a gun and the bereaved had already thought about the impending loss. And if you feel sorry for Varadkar, Holohan, et all, then it is you who is the fool.

alta stare · 30-05-2020 10:27am

Jackman25 wrote: »

Why should you. No one should.
That's the point.

This is Boards where people cant help themselves but get wound up by others. A bit like Twitter.

Professor Moriarty · 30-05-2020 10:27am

alta stare wrote: »

You seem to care enough to insult me. Have i touched a nerve?

Nope.

Professor Moriarty · 30-05-2020 10:32am

polesheep wrote: »

The reality is that, prior to the outbreak, most of those who died were already staring down the barrel of a gun and the bereaved had already thought about the impending loss. And if you feel sorry for Varadkar, Holohan, et all, then it is you who is the fool.

They had to make life-changing decisions. If you can't understand that then that's okay. People with an exaggerated sense of entitlement can get blinded by their shallow outrage.

30-05-2020 10:34am

fret_wimp2 wrote: »

Well within my limit, I have a social consideration, I checked.

A public discussion forum is everyone's business who decide to make it so. Or do you just want an echo chamber?

Phoenix Park is more than 5km from Stephens Green. Unless you literally went in the gate at the courts and stopped.

And that’s assuming you live on Stephens Green.

You practically admitted to breaking the rules.

polesheep · 30-05-2020 10:36am

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

They had to make life-changing decisions. If you can't understand that then that's okay. People with an exaggerated sense of entitlement can get blinded by their shallow outrage.

That's their job.

I don't understand the meaning of your last sentence.

alta stare · 30-05-2020 10:36am

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Nope.

You stuck for insulting replies now seen as you are just came back with that? Not so long ago you had so many other words in which you berated others.

Professor Moriarty · 30-05-2020 10:37am

alta stare wrote: »

You stuck for insulting replies now seen as you are just came back with that? Not so long ago you had so many other words in which you berated others.

Whatever. Your posts bore me.

alta stare · 30-05-2020 10:37am

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

They had to make life-changing decisions. If you can't understand that then that's okay. People with an exaggerated sense of entitlement can get blinded by their shallow outrage.

Are you self projecting there?

Idbatterim · 30-05-2020 10:38am

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

They had to make life-changing decisions. If you can't understand that then that's okay. People with an exaggerated sense of entitlement can get blinded by their shallow outrage.

Varadkar barely got re- elected for god sake. Mainly based on his inability to make decisions. He shouldn't even be at the helm, his party won less seats than ff or sf comfortably. Based on years of **** governance, nothing has changed...

alta stare · 30-05-2020 10:39am

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Whatever. Your posts bore me.

ffs what kind of person are you at all. My posts bore you

Mr E · 30-05-2020 10:42am

Mod: Guys, take a chill pill. Stop attacking each other or cards will be handed out.

Jinglejangle69 · 30-05-2020 10:45am

Idbatterim wrote: »

Varadkar barely got re- elected for god sake. Mainly based on his inability to make decisions. He shouldn't even be at the helm, his party won less seats than ff or sf comfortably. Based on years of **** governance, nothing has changed...

Well why didn't the other parties who got 84% of the vote form a government?

Just blame it all on Varadkar yeah.

Noone else has a responsibility too.

Benimar · 30-05-2020 10:46am

Deleted User wrote: »

Phoenix Park is more than 5km from Stephens Green. Unless you literally went in the gate at the courts and stopped.

And that’s assuming you live on Stephens Green.

You practically admitted to breaking the rules.

Half of Phoenix Park is within a 5km radius of Stephens Green.

The 5km Restriction is as the crow flies.

Professor Moriarty · 30-05-2020 10:47am

polesheep wrote: »

That's their job.

I don't understand the meaning of your last sentence.

No problem, I'll explain. The government and its advisors had this pandemic dumped on them suddenly. As did every other government in the world. They're not particularly evil or stupid people so they did what they thought was the right thing based on advice (often conflicting) from WHO, other governments, HSE etc. The decisions they made, based on scant data, were literally life or death. I feel sorry for them having to do this. I find people who attack them and their advisors, and dismiss their pressure and stress, to be shallow, pampered and self-entitled fools who are lashing out blindly. They're usually the perfect fodder for political manipulation. Useful idiots.

Jinglejangle69 · 30-05-2020 10:49am

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

No problem, I'll explain. The government and its advisors had this pandemic dumped on them suddenly. As did every other government in the world. They're not particularly evil or stupid people so they did what they thought was the right thing based on advice (often conflicting) from WHO, other governments, HSE etc. The decisions they made, based on scant data, were literally life or death. I feel sorry for them having to do this. I find people who attack them and their advisors, and dismiss their pressure and stress, to be shallow, pampered and self-entitled fools who are lashing out blindly. They're usually the perfect fodder for political manipulation. Useful idiots.

People have short memories.

2 months ago when this happened it took us all by surprise.

Everyone understood the **** show it was.

Someone had to step up and take the hard decisions.

Now 2 months later and with the weather been so good and people out and about , everyone is an expert about what leo should have done back then.

All experts now giving their opinion about what they should have done.

Well duh, hindsight is a great thing

the kelt · 30-05-2020 10:50am

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

They had to make life-changing decisions. If you can't understand that then that's okay. People with an exaggerated sense of entitlement can get blinded by their shallow outrage.

Not really though. I don’t have anything against them, I actually think Leo is a decent political leader but have no time for Harris, my dealings with him through my job and what I thought of him have been confirmed though this.

But they didn’t make these decisions, the decisions were made for them, they had no choice, what was done in March etc and the further lockdown etc were literally the only decisions we could have made under the circumstances looking at how the rest of Europe was progressing. It was the correct thing to do and in my opinion the only thing we could do.

When it has come to making actual decisions Of which they have multiple options ie how to open up the country they’ve proved to be utterly spineless taking the lets cower away and see how everyone else gets on approach.

Ginger n Lemon · 30-05-2020 10:51am

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

No problem, I'll explain. The government and its advisors had this pandemic dumped on them suddenly. As did every other government in the world. They're not particularly evil or stupid people so they did what they thought was the right thing based on advice (often conflicting) from WHO, other governments, HSE etc. The decisions they made, based on scant data, were literally life or death. I feel sorry for them having to do this. I find people who attack them and their advisors, and dismiss their pressure and stress, to be shallow, pampered and self-entitled fools who are lashing out blindly. They're usually the perfect fodder for political manipulation. Useful idiots.

You do realise that over 1,600 people died with covid in this country right?

Thats more than Denmark, New Zealand, Norway, Finland, Czech republic combined.

I think they did a woeful job on saving lives front.

On economic front? Shutting down construction when most other countries kept it opened during pandemic, giving out more money to 200,000 people in this country to sit at home than what they would earn working, does suggest they did WOEFUL on economic front as well.

And continue to do so every day now with the turtle plan.

Professor Moriarty · 30-05-2020 10:52am

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

People have short memories.

2 months ago when this happened it took us all by surprise.

Everyone understood the **** show it was.

Someone had to step up andake the gard decisions.

Now 2 months later and with the weather be é so good, everyone is an expert about what leo should have done back then.

All experts now giving their opinion about what they should have done.

Well duh, hindsight is a great thing

Exactly. It could have been anyone in power. The problems and decisions would have been exactly the same. But some people have to blame someone or anyone. Facts aren't too important, just got to be able to point the finger.

Professor Moriarty · 30-05-2020 10:54am

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

You do realise that over 1,600 people died with covid in this country right?

Thats more than Denmark, New Zealand, Norway, Finland, Czech republic combined.

I think they did a woeful job on saving lives front.

On economic front? Shutting down construction when most other countries kept it opened during pandemic, giving out more money to 200,000 people in this country to sit at home than what they would earn working, does suggest they did WOEFUL on economic front as well.

And continue to do so every day now with the turtle plan.

Pro rata, way less than our nearest neighbours Britain, France and Spain... Comparisons can be invidious.

road_high · 30-05-2020 10:55am

Cushtie wrote: »

What a beautiful day! I dont think there are enough Gardai in the county to man the checkpoints to stop people making a break for it today and over the weekend. And rightly so.

Enough is enough. Time to get the Country opened back up faster.

I'm taking my family to the sea side today. Its about 30 min drive away and if I get stopped so be it. We had chicken pox in the house before this. So the kids have not been outside the house since mid Feb.
I have a son with special needs who so misses his special school and routine. I can see a huge change in him over the last few weeks.

We did our bit., now it's time for the boys in Dublin to wake up and open up.

Brilliant. Get out and live. I hope you all have a fantastic day and don’t forget the sunblock. Actually feel a tinge of emotion reading about your son, today will do him a power of good

Mullaghteelin · 30-05-2020 10:57am

So, people can now engage in boating and water sports providing they live within 5km.
This is INSANE.
How would anyone driving 7km be ANY greater risk than someone who walks 2km. There is no logic to this whatsoever.
Mícheál Martin said he wants to end the 5km limits as soon as possible. For the first time in my life I wholeheartedly agree with him.

bush · 30-05-2020 11:00am

Mullaghteelin wrote: »

So, people can now engage in boating and water sports providing they live within 5km.
This is INSANE.
How would anyone driving 7km be ANY greater risk than someone who walks 2km. There is no logic to this whatsoever.
Mícheál Martin said he wants to end the 5km limits as soon as possible. For the first time in my life I wholeheartedly agree with him.

Its laughable at this stage.

road_high · 30-05-2020 11:00am

Idbatterim wrote: »

Varadkar barely got re- elected for god sake. Mainly based on his inability to make decisions. He shouldn't even be at the helm, his party won less seats than ff or sf comfortably. Based on years of **** governance, nothing has changed...

I’m FG and can conclude objectively he’s been a very disappointing Taoiseach. He’s not a natural leader, he hangs back all the time. Never nails his colours to the mast, always kite flying. I think a new person will bring fresh energy to the office, that’s likely Micheal Martin. I feel he has a more genuine empathy with the ordinary person

MickeyLeari · 30-05-2020 11:00am

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

You do realise that over 1,600 people died with covid in this country right?

Thats more than Denmark, New Zealand, Norway, Finland, Czech republic combined.

I think they did a woeful job on saving lives front.

On economic front? Shutting down construction when most other countries kept it opened during pandemic, giving out more money to 200,000 people in this country to sit at home than what they would earn working, does suggest they did WOEFUL on economic front as well.

And continue to do so every day now with the turtle plan.

I agree. But please do not insult turtles.

road_high · 30-05-2020 11:08am

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

You do realise that over 1,600 people died with covid in this country right?

Thats more than Denmark, New Zealand, Norway, Finland, Czech republic combined.

I think they did a woeful job on saving lives front.

On economic front? Shutting down construction when most other countries kept it opened during pandemic, giving out more money to 200,000 people in this country to sit at home than what they would earn working, does suggest they did WOEFUL on economic front as well.

And continue to do so every day now with the turtle plan.

You should see Leo’s Facebook. Full of donkeys congratulating him. Our record is shocking thanks to useless HSE Nphet and Harris.

niallo27 · 30-05-2020 11:17am

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

People have short memories.

2 months ago when this happened it took us all by surprise.

Everyone understood the **** show it was.

Someone had to step up and take the hard decisions.

Now 2 months later and with the weather been so good and people out and about , everyone is an expert about what leo should have done back then.

All experts now giving their opinion about what they should have done.

Well duh, hindsight is a great thing

I think the vast majority are worried about what is being done now, we understand the measures that needed to be taken. You dont need hindsight to know the restrictions in place right now are too tight and the phase restrictions are phased out too long.

Captain_Crash · 30-05-2020 11:24am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Phoenix Park is more than 5km from Stephens Green. Unless you literally went in the gate at the courts and stopped.

And that’s assuming you live on Stephens Green.

You practically admitted to breaking the rules.

You can live between them and easily be within 5km of both! Anyone in Stonybatter or Kilmainham for instance is only a couple of km from St Stephens Green one direction and the far end of the park the other direction

Professor Moriarty · 30-05-2020 11:25am

niallo27 wrote: »

I think the vast majority are worried about what is being done now, we understand the measures that needed to be taken. You dont need hindsight to know the restrictions in place right now are too tight and the phase restrictions are phased out too long.

Now that the rate of infection has dropped so low, because of the tight restrictions, they can begin to accelerate the lifting of containment measures. But there will be surges, it's about balancing society and the economy with containing the virus to acceptable levels. It will need constant monitoring and quick, fluid responses. The very last thing Ireland needs is a re-introduction of severe containment measures and a spike that overwhelms the health service.

yawhat? · 30-05-2020 11:25am

Mullaghteelin wrote: »

So, people can now engage in boating and water sports providing they live within 5km.
This is INSANE.
How would anyone driving 7km be ANY greater risk than someone who walks 2km. There is no logic to this whatsoever.
Mícheál Martin said he wants to end the 5km limits as soon as possible. For the first time in my life I wholeheartedly agree with him.

There is logic to it. The fact that you are incapable of seeing it is not particularly surprising.

Cork Boy 53 · 30-05-2020 11:25am

road_high wrote: »

I’m FG and can conclude objectively he’s been a very disappointing Taoiseach. He’s not a natural leader, he hangs back all the time. Never nails his colours to the mast, always kite flying. I think a new person will bring fresh energy to the office, that’s likely Micheal Martin. I feel he has a more genuine empathy with the ordinary person

Would this be the same Micheal Martin that was a senior Cabinet minister during the credit and property bubble that when it burst resulted in hundreds of thousands of these "ordinary persons" losing their livelihoods and worse?

Jackman25 · 30-05-2020 11:31am

yawhat? wrote: »

There is logic to it. The fact that you are incapable of seeing it is not particularly surprising.

Enlighten us so?

30-05-2020 11:35am

Idbatterim wrote: »

My patience has run out because of what total bull**** it all is. You can lock yourself at home and tape up the doors window and chimney...

Listening to the constant media fear mongering with the largest leftist media on the planet, doesn't help...

They seem to have no intention of bringing dates forward. You can go and hide from the Mickey mouse virus, I'm not

You probably shouldn't have voted for FG in the last election then.

As for largest leftist media, that's the best laugh I've had all morning.

niallo27 · 30-05-2020 11:37am

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Now that the rate of infection has dropped so low, because of the tight restrictions, they can begin to accelerate the lifting of containment measures. But there will be surges, it's about balancing society and the economy with containing the virus to acceptable levels. It will need constant monitoring and quick, fluid responses. The very last thing Ireland needs is a re-introduction of severe containment measures and a spike that overwhelms the health service.

The rest of Europe is not being overwhelmed, Sweden was not overwhelmed despite having less icu beds than us. UK's health service was not overwhelmed. Why do you think ours would be out of interest.

dubdaymo · 30-05-2020 11:40am

Mullaghteelin wrote: »

There is no logic to this whatsoever.

Don't forget that the decisions are being dictated by "medical experts" and/or "scientists". When I was a youngster we used to love seeing fillums with "mad scientists" - that's the overall title we lumped them all under. It was great fun but we knew they'd all meet their comeuppance in the end.

Sadly, these days, no matter what field we are talking about, the "mad scientists" have taken over and some have even become revered. The unfortunate part is that "mad scientists" don't do logic, they don't meet their comeuppance anymore and they all suffer from one terrible ailment. It's called Tunnel Vision.

30-05-2020 11:42am

road_high wrote: »

I’m FG and can conclude objectively he’s been a very disappointing Taoiseach. He’s not a natural leader, he hangs back all the time. Never nails his colours to the mast, always kite flying. I think a new person will bring fresh energy to the office, that’s likely Micheal Martin. I feel he has a more genuine empathy with the ordinary person

Martin is a fecking sleeveeyn git, even for a politician. If you think that the restrictions would be any different with them in power your having a pipe dream.

The only difference if FF were in power would be that the FG folks on here would have an additional twist in their knickers.

yawhat? · 30-05-2020 11:44am

Jackman25 wrote: »

Enlighten us so?

Another live one.

It’s to dampen down the geographical spread of the virus.

It’s not saying a person from 2km away is less risk than a person from 7km away.

The logic is pretty simple. To say there is no logic is pretty stupid. If you can’t see the logic, then you are pretty simple.

You might not agree with the measure, but that’s a different argument.

Micky 32 · 30-05-2020 11:44am

To be honest i don’t agree with it being called a Mickey Mouse virus. For most people it probably will be but in my situation i have to be cautious..

Both my parents are in their 70’s. They are quite fit and active but both have heart conditions. Even with their conditions they still could get another good 10 years.

If they got this virus tomorrow it could take those potential 10 years away in a blink of an eye. As we all know 10 years in a short lifetime is a nice chunk out of anyone’s lifespan. You can do lots in 10 years.

However I’m all for easing restrictions in correlation to how bad it is. If it keeps improving the way it has been some phases should definitely be brought forward.

niallo27 · 30-05-2020 11:45am

yawhat? wrote: »

Another live one.

It’s to dampen down the geographical spread of the virus.

It’s not saying a person from 2km away is less risk than a person from 7km away.

The logic is pretty simple. To say there is no logic is pretty stupid. If you can’t see the logic, then you are pretty simple.

You might not agree with the measure, but that’s a different argument.

If it so effective, why are the rest of europe not doing it.

Professor Moriarty · 30-05-2020 11:48am

niallo27 wrote: »

The rest of Europe is not being overwhelmed, Sweden was not overwhelmed despite having less icu beds than us. UK's health service was not overwhelmed. Why do you think ours would be out of interest.

Well, their death rates are much higher. Also, Spain and Italy were overwhelmed. A spike in cases, depending on its severity, will place pressure on the health service. Remember, cancer screening, elective surgery, etc. have been stopped. Talking to a GP recently, she said that they expected 10,000 extra cases of severe cancer in the UK next year as a result of people not being tested and screened.

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