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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,069 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    serious question - can we have sex?


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,894 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    fryup wrote: »
    serious question - can we have sex?

    Yes, with the correct equipment. https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32826085760.html


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,743 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    it took the Chinese 2 months to bring it under control, which would take us up to May. Assuming all of Europe also gets it under control (yes, I'm looking at you Boris) perhaps we go back to a containment phase where we monitor people coming in and out of the country with restrictions on countries where outbreaks are still escalating.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,881 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    trapp wrote:
    How long before the effects of isolation become another grave issue along with the virus?


    Prisoners can tolerate isolation for years and even decades. I think we can manage for a few months


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    Prisoners can tolerate isolation for years and even decades. I think we can manage for a few months

    Actually all the evidence is that it is incredibly damaging to prisoners. Such torture of prisoners is abhorrent.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Most prisoners come out in worse psychological condition than they went in with. I'd not treat this too lightly and I will be going out as needed in an appropriate manner.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,881 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Risteard81 wrote:
    Actually all the evidence is that it is incredibly damaging to prisoners. Such torture of prisoners is abhorrent.


    There is a big difference in being locked in a 10 by 6 cell for 20 hours a day & having a house or apartment to roam around in. Go for a walk, run or cycle any time you want. Talk on the phone all day, Skype facetime. Prisoners don't get to do these things. One 6 minute phone call a day is all they get


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,685 ✭✭✭growleaves


    If the global economy were to be brought to an indefinite standstill, billions of people would die. No idea of the timeline.

    Even a temporary lockdown could kill more people than the disease through suicides and other stresses.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,685 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Even a temporary lockdown could kill more people than the disease through suicides and other stresses.

    To be clear here, I'm talking about suicides resulting from job losses.

    However isolation combined with the removal of distractions (sport, cinema, socialising) could lead to despair.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 510 ✭✭✭trapp


    growleaves wrote: »
    If the global economy were to be brought to an indefinite standstill, billions of people would die. No idea of the timeline.

    Even a temporary lockdown could kill more people than the disease through suicides and other stresses.

    Exactly.

    We all know measures are needed but it can't be black and white forever.

    The health risks of isolation, loneliness and unemployment are clear and grave.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,840 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    growleaves wrote: »
    If the global economy were to be brought to an indefinite standstill, billions of people would die. No idea of the timeline.

    Even a temporary lockdown could kill more people than the disease through suicides and other stresses.

    how would billions die? :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,685 ✭✭✭growleaves


    The health risks of isolation, loneliness and unemployment are clear and grave.

    As I pointed out to a friend of mine, the period from St. Patrick's Day until the end of September is when people emerge from having stayed in all winter. If we spend that period indoors then you're effectively talking of around 1.5 years without going out much.

    If the Army are going to barricade people indoors (I call this the 'North Korea with red lemonade' scenario) all summer then the lack of Vitamin D will lead to all kinds of illnesses. That's before you even get into depression and loneliness.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,685 ✭✭✭growleaves


    how would billions die?

    Is that a joke?

    You can't just stop the global economy - when has that ever been done before? They'll die from starvation. The global population was only around 1 billion in 1800.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,351 ✭✭✭Littlehorny


    Don't know how long isolating will be needed but the young fella up the road who has 4 of his mates call to his house every afternoon/evening is really starting to pee me off.

    Never mind me, just being a grouchy oul f***er :)


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    growleaves wrote: »
    Is that a joke?

    You can't just stop the global economy - when has that ever been done before? They'll die from starvation. The global population was only around 1 billion in 1800.

    Yes, but you're proposing that the global economy could come to a standstill which is incredibly lacking in understanding of the forces at work here. Money. People will find a way.

    Automation is already coming in for many industries, and this situation of ours will simply encourage those who advocate it, to expand it's reach to more areas. Add to that, there's still plenty of ways to operate factories, offices, etc without exposing large numbers of people to each other... and that's whether they actually care.

    The Uk is following their herd immunity idea. Fine.. it probably won't work out the way they expect, but it does show that governments out there are willing to keep things running regardless of the risks involved. China has been restarting their economy for the last month, with their transport/infrastructure links already back up (bypassing wuhan's hub). I know quite a few people in China who have returned to their jobs.. they're simply employing more measures in limiting the risks.. costs more time, but some loss in efficiency is to be expected in such a situation, and that will improve as people gain a better handle on it all.

    The point is that the global economy will continue ticking along.. There are heaps of initiatives, technological aspects, etc which can be employed..


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,758 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    How is social distancing working in your workplace - if it is not possible, does that mean the work should stop ?

    Not sure what the government are saying on this.

    I've seen two people in a car together etc ?

    How far does this have to go ?



    p.s. - I do see another thread on this - maybe a double up ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 503 ✭✭✭Rufeo


    It works by creating a new forum on Boards.


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,758 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    Rufeo wrote: »
    It works by creating a new forum on Boards.

    Great insight


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 75,308 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty




    p.s. - I do see another thread on this - maybe a double up ?
    Merged


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,344 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    Del2005 wrote: »
    A lot of kids are feed in DEIS schools. How will people who rely on school to feed their children survive? Especially since most are probably working jobs that are shut down.

    maybe the parents stop spending money on other stuff that they don't need


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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,758 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    Don't know how long isolating will be needed but the young fella up the road who has 4 of his mates call to his house every afternoon/evening is really starting to pee me off.

    Never mind me, just being a grouchy oul f***er :)

    Yes you still see people - who clearly are not in the same family meet up.

    Groups of teenagers getting together.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,653 ✭✭✭AulWan


    Del2005 wrote: »
    A lot of kids are feed in DEIS schools. How will people who rely on school to feed their children survive? Especially since most are probably working jobs that are shut down.


    Washington State in the US are utilising their school bus drivers to deliver their school meals programme to the childrens' homes.

    The way they are treating it is, the bus drivers are still working, so will get paid, and the children at risk get fed.


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,389 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    fryup wrote: »
    serious question - can we have sex?
    Provided your missus doesn't find out, yes.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,584 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    Lockdown won’t last for ever. Social distancing will work. I’d be highly surprised if anything changes materially in 2 weeks but my mid April we should be seeing a difference. What happens then is up to the government and the wider EU.

    Social distancing is horrible though. We are social creatures and we need outlets.

    Here’s hoping.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,584 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    Just seen this. Interview in Rolling Stone magazine with Dr. Richard Leman — a public health physician and Chief Medical Officer, Health Security in the US.
    wrote:
    Is there any epidemiological modeling that shows how long we are going to require this change in practice? How long are we expecting our lives to be disrupted?

    We need to be prepared to do this for months. And we sometimes will see a second wave of illness and we need to be prepared for that. We’ll be watching for that. So we are in this for months. I don’t know that we’re talking a full year. I can’t promise you that it won’t be — depending on whether we see a second resurgence. But I think we need to be prepared to do that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,859 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    I was in the lobby of a large hotel when a huge foreign tour group arrived, converged on reception en masse. There was no social distance protocol observed whatsoever and everyone was on top of each other.

    I was concerned so I left, but gave them a quick call afterwards. The accents of the visitors were either from " do not travel to" or "avoid all but essential travel' the Hotel refused to give any information citing GDPR.

    They did day they had improved social distance policy, but did not say how.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    faceman wrote: »
    Lockdown won’t last for ever. Social distancing will work. I’d be highly surprised if anything changes materially in 2 weeks but my mid April we should be seeing a difference. What happens then is up to the government and the wider EU.

    Social distancing is horrible though. We are social creatures and we need outlets.

    Here’s hoping.

    None of the "wider EU's" business. They have no sovereign rights in this country.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    I've never massively talked about some of the mental health issues I've had over the last decade or so, but I feel this morning that it might actually help to do so. And this was the sort of topic that I was hoping for. And i'll stress starting off, I'd consider myself relatively a minor case of the sort of depression that this can cause. While I had a bad dose a few years back, I have a good support structure around me now.

    I'm not much of a social creature. Probably unsurprisingly to many, while I've got some very close family, I tend to very much keep to myself. Self employed but work from home. In general, I take comfort in hobbies like watching Tv and movies, football, gaming. And, probably to an unhealthy level, I eagerly anticipate my yearly holiday as a break of how relatively boring the rest of life can be.

    As a relative loner, I didn't think the idea of a few weeks at home would be a massive hit, and definitely not relative to the numbers of sick people who could be hurt so badly by this.

    But a few days in, I have to admit, my head is melted, and I really don't know what sort of effect this will have over such a long period.

    Sales for my business have dropped by about 60%. Just as it was finally about to hit another level, it's regressed all massively.
    Tv shows and movies are wrapping up. Soccer on hiatus.
    Having to cancel a short trip to London for Easter, and likely have to cancel my summer holidays because no one seems sure how long this will all last.

    And I realise that this all sounds a little selfish. Because while my business has reduced, it's not dead, and thousands have actually lost their jobs. Tv and movies is so insignificant in the grander scheme of things. The holiday is a luxury, and even if it was really the only major one I afforded myself, it's still not worth going when thousands of lives are at risk.

    But mentally, I'm sitting here wondering what is there to look forward too.

    And I really will stress this, I'd not consider myself as someone who'd be at risk of doing anything stupid. I'll find alternatives to keep myself busy in the short term, be that through gaming or writing or whatever.

    But there IS a massive elephant in the room that we've been ignoring for so long in this country. It feels like, especially in young men, mental health and suicide has been a silent epidemic that's been ignored, and which we've possibly just thrown gasoline onto.

    I know of 3 men around my age in my area who have committed suicide in the last 6 months. Men with good jobs and seemingly good social lives. And as each happened, everyone would know of others who had suffered mental health issues of varying degrees too.

    This was before we destroyed 150,000 jobs in 4 days. Probably with a lot more going, as shops shut and if we impose as strict a lock down as some others are. If the airline and hospitality industry collapses.

    And this is before we dedicate a lot of time (rightly) to warning people of how a dangerous disease is rampaging through the world.

    Again, speaking from a personal point of view, my entire family would be considered at risk. I've got mild asthma, but my mother and brother have had bad times in recent years with flus. My father is an asthmatic diabetic in poor health at the best of times. He's a taxi driver, and has bills over his head too. He's toned back his hours drastically, but he feels he simply cannot give up completly.

    So we're stuck inside, and not just bored, but have a ticking time bomb over our heads too. If one of us gets this dose, the chances of of the four of us don't end up in hospital is low. The chances, being brutally honest, that it doesn't put Dad in the ICU are minimal.

    Mentally, this will tip a lot of people over an edge. Having to lock yourself at home, with dwindling escapes in the short term and little to look forward to in the long term, with a medical disaster that's portrayed as an inevitability rather than a mild possibility. In Italy, by some reports, none of us would qualify for an ICU spot right now due to "underlying conditions".

    And this all feels like a rather selfish set of concerns to have overall, because I do get so many people are going to get horribly sick, and that if THIS is what they think is the better option, then the disease and its effects must be so horrific. And that there are people who have lost their livelyhoods, or who are in worse health, people waiting anxiously for test results, people trapped at home with others of varying levels of civility.

    And if I feel this way, if my head feels this way after 3 days, I cannot imagine how society will be in 3 weeks, let alone the possibility of three months. A society who packed the pubs 3 days after Leo's closure of the schools because they couldn't do without drinks. A society of kids who throw riots at a little snow.

    Ok, I'm done. That become a little bit more vent-y than I had meant to start off with, and probably a bit rambly. Going to try and do a bit of work and see if keeping some semble of that daily routine helps a bit.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 667 ✭✭✭Balf


    Lord TSC wrote: »
    And this all feels like a rather selfish set of concerns to have overall, because I do get so many people are going to get horribly sick, and that if THIS is what they think is the better option, then the disease and its effects must be so horrific.
    I don't think you are being selfish. Choices are being made that damage some people significantly, to avoid a risk of damage to others.

    Where that's been figured out as the best option isn't clear, to be frank. Thus far, questioning is being held back in the expectation that anyone asking where this is all going will be depicted as selfish.

    This is unsustainable. Its fecking mad to think we can close down whole sections of economic life, as if it can be assumed the consequences have less value that whatever it is we think we're preserving. No problem completely disrupting the education of young people and pitching large numbers of people out of work.

    Very heavy mortality among older people. We get that. Those same older people won't have pensions, or any other supports, if there isn't an economy there to fund those things.

    Maybe all this folderol is going on, just to move public opinion to a place where we accept this approach is just unworkable. If so, can I say I'm already there.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 510 ✭✭✭trapp


    Lord TSC wrote: »
    I've never massively talked about some of the mental health issues I've had over the last decade or so, but I feel this morning that it might actually help to do so. And this was the sort of topic that I was hoping for. And i'll stress starting off, I'd consider myself relatively a minor case of the sort of depression that this can cause. While I had a bad dose a few years back, I have a good support structure around me now.

    I'm not much of a social creature. Probably unsurprisingly to many, while I've got some very close family, I tend to very much keep to myself. Self employed but work from home. In general, I take comfort in hobbies like watching Tv and movies, football, gaming. And, probably to an unhealthy level, I eagerly anticipate my yearly holiday as a break of how relatively boring the rest of life can be.

    As a relative loner, I didn't think the idea of a few weeks at home would be a massive hit, and definitely not relative to the numbers of sick people who could be hurt so badly by this.

    But a few days in, I have to admit, my head is melted, and I really don't know what sort of effect this will have over such a long period.

    Sales for my business have dropped by about 60%. Just as it was finally about to hit another level, it's regressed all massively.
    Tv shows and movies are wrapping up. Soccer on hiatus.
    Having to cancel a short trip to London for Easter, and likely have to cancel my summer holidays because no one seems sure how long this will all last.

    And I realise that this all sounds a little selfish. Because while my business has reduced, it's not dead, and thousands have actually lost their jobs. Tv and movies is so insignificant in the grander scheme of things. The holiday is a luxury, and even if it was really the only major one I afforded myself, it's still not worth going when thousands of lives are at risk.

    But mentally, I'm sitting here wondering what is there to look forward too.

    And I really will stress this, I'd not consider myself as someone who'd be at risk of doing anything stupid. I'll find alternatives to keep myself busy in the short term, be that through gaming or writing or whatever.

    But there IS a massive elephant in the room that we've been ignoring for so long in this country. It feels like, especially in young men, mental health and suicide has been a silent epidemic that's been ignored, and which we've possibly just thrown gasoline onto.

    I know of 3 men around my age in my area who have committed suicide in the last 6 months. Men with good jobs and seemingly good social lives. And as each happened, everyone would know of others who had suffered mental health issues of varying degrees too.

    This was before we destroyed 150,000 jobs in 4 days. Probably with a lot more going, as shops shut and if we impose as strict a lock down as some others are. If the airline and hospitality industry collapses.

    And this is before we dedicate a lot of time (rightly) to warning people of how a dangerous disease is rampaging through the world.

    Again, speaking from a personal point of view, my entire family would be considered at risk. I've got mild asthma, but my mother and brother have had bad times in recent years with flus. My father is an asthmatic diabetic in poor health at the best of times. He's a taxi driver, and has bills over his head too. He's toned back his hours drastically, but he feels he simply cannot give up completly.

    So we're stuck inside, and not just bored, but have a ticking time bomb over our heads too. If one of us gets this dose, the chances of of the four of us don't end up in hospital is low. The chances, being brutally honest, that it doesn't put Dad in the ICU are minimal.

    Mentally, this will tip a lot of people over an edge. Having to lock yourself at home, with dwindling escapes in the short term and little to look forward to in the long term, with a medical disaster that's portrayed as an inevitability rather than a mild possibility. In Italy, by some reports, none of us would qualify for an ICU spot right now due to "underlying conditions".

    And this all feels like a rather selfish set of concerns to have overall, because I do get so many people are going to get horribly sick, and that if THIS is what they think is the better option, then the disease and its effects must be so horrific. And that there are people who have lost their livelyhoods, or who are in worse health, people waiting anxiously for test results, people trapped at home with others of varying levels of civility.

    And if I feel this way, if my head feels this way after 3 days, I cannot imagine how society will be in 3 weeks, let alone the possibility of three months. A society who packed the pubs 3 days after Leo's closure of the schools because they couldn't do without drinks. A society of kids who throw riots at a little snow.

    Ok, I'm done. That become a little bit more vent-y than I had meant to start off with, and probably a bit rambly. Going to try and do a bit of work and see if keeping some semble of that daily routine helps a bit.

    It's not selfish.

    This is affecting everybody.

    If I was told before Christmas that I wouldn't be able to see my friends, play sport, watch football, socialise and that couldn't work I would have had grave concerns for my own mental well being.

    On top of that being housebound in a difficult home situation for weeks on end with no end in sight only the idea of 'months'.

    Those implementing these restrictions will not be affected by them as they will still be outside the home.

    These measures may be needed but my god the effects could be absolutely devastating.

    We have a suicide epidemic in this country among young men. Thousands of these out of work, housebound with no escape regarding sport or social lives is a recipe for disaster.


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