Bdgp

Hard Knocks · 14-08-2017 10:01pm

Bellview wrote: »

Only sire verified for me. Assume will be later in year

Lately they come out in the next run, which will be September

blue5000 · 15-08-2017 2:41pm

rushvalley wrote: »

Has anyone got results back for the cows that had to be tagged for genomic testing earlier in the year?

Just a letter to say I had the wrong sire for two of them:o. I was wondering why an angus heifer has horns, turns out she's a blonde! There's 4 feckin stars gone anyway....
It will probably be the december run of results before you see the geno evaluation side by side with ebv, don't get too excited though, there isn't a huge difference so far anyway. Unless of course if you had the wrong sire too:(:(

Sami23 · 15-08-2017 2:51pm

blue5000 wrote: »

rushvalley wrote: »

Has anyone got results back for the cows that had to be tagged for genomic testing earlier in the year?

Just a letter to say I had the wrong sire for two of them:o. I was wondering why an angus heifer has horns, turns out she's a blonde! There's 4 feckin stars gone anyway....:(:(

Were they ones you bought in or did you make a mistake recording the sire

blue5000 · 15-08-2017 4:45pm

Sami23 wrote: »

Were they ones you bought in made or did you make a mistake recording the sire

I make mistakes. Sometimes I swop a few cows in and out of groups and run with a different bull, especially towards the end of the breeding season. Then it's a guessing game at registration.

rushvalley · 15-08-2017 5:50pm

blue5000 wrote: »

Just a letter to say I had the wrong sire for two of them:o. I was wondering why an angus heifer has horns, turns out she's a blonde! There's 4 feckin stars gone anyway....
It will probably be the december run of results before you see the geno evaluation side by side with ebv, don't get too excited though, there isn't a huge difference so far anyway. Unless of course if you had the wrong sire too:(:(

I have a 3 star heifer bordering 4 stars that I would like to enter into a 4/5 star heifer sale soon. I'm waiting on genomic results for her mother and hoping the stars might rise a wee bit.

whelan2 · 29-08-2017 7:50pm

See the 2016 carbon navigator is up on icbf now. To be filled in by the farmer this year not teagasc

annubis · 29-08-2017 7:54pm

whelan2 wrote: »

See the 2016 carbon navigator is up on icbf now. To be filled in by the farmer this year not teagasc

noticed that as well but was the one submitted by planner last year for 2015?

whelan2 · 29-08-2017 8:09pm

annubis wrote: »

noticed that as well but was the one submitted by planner last year for 2015?

Yes, I was talking to them today on another matter and asked them, was a very helpful girl I was talking to, last lad was desperate.

High bike · 29-08-2017 8:37pm

whelan2 wrote: »

Yes, I was talking to them today on another matter and asked them, was a very helpful girl I was talking to, last lad was desperate.

see it on mine too,when does it have to be done by??

whelan2 · 29-08-2017 8:41pm

High bike wrote: »

see it on mine too,when does it have to be done by??

Not sure, but it's easy enough done

wiggy123 · 30-08-2017 12:17pm

say has to be done asap--or else payment might be held up

dohc turbo2 · 30-08-2017 12:34pm

I did it last night when I seen it mentioned here , nothing too it , turn out dates for 16 and housing and fertiliser and fees used

wiggy123 · 30-08-2017 12:37pm

true-is simple to fill in

whelan2 · 30-08-2017 1:28pm

You'd wonder why the advisor had to fill it in last year

wiggy123 · 30-08-2017 2:31pm

money for old rope maybe

kollegeknight · 30-08-2017 2:51pm

So I put out 4 tonne of 18-6-12, how do I enter that?

wiggy123 · 30-08-2017 3:33pm

just enter 4 ton.. or calculate it out-re cans--take the 18..is the percentage of nitrogen on it..so 18% of 4 tonne.....or am I wrong????

patsy_mccabe · 31-08-2017 5:52pm

Guys, I have a few calves born this year and the sire was 'unknown'. Is there a penalty for this in the BDGP?
I was almost sure of the sire for a few but put down unknown just to be sure. I'm about to register another calf, so that's why I want to check this.

tanko · 31-08-2017 6:31pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Guys, I have a few calves born this year and the sire was 'unknown'. Is there a penalty for this in the BDGP?
I was almost sure of the sire for a few but put down unknown just to be sure. I'm about to register another calf, so that's why I want to check this.

No idea about penalties but if you're pretty sure of the sire i'd put that down rather than leave it as 'unknown'.

Hurling Hereford · 31-08-2017 10:06pm

tanko wrote: »

No idea about penalties but if you're pretty sure of the sire i'd put that down rather than leave it as 'unknown'.

Better to leave the Sire as Unknown than putting down a tag number that may prove to be incorrect in the 'long run'

wiggy123 · 01-09-2017 11:34am

you not select them for the genomics testing then--give you idea of the sire then

oneten · 01-09-2017 10:57pm

wiggy123 wrote: »

just enter 4 ton.. or calculate it out-re cans--take the 18..is the percentage of nitrogen on it..so 18% of 4 tonne.....or am I wrong????

18 units per bag, 20 bags per ton, 1440 units of N

kollegeknight · 02-09-2017 6:39am

oneten wrote: »

18 units per bag, 20 bags per ton, 1440 units of N

Thanks for that.

The window asks for it in tonnes- so would 1440 units = 1.44 tonnes?

patsy_mccabe · 02-09-2017 1:30pm

kollegeknight wrote: »

Thanks for that.

The window asks for it in tonnes- so would 1440 units = 1.44 tonnes?

No a UNIT is 1/100 of a CWT. So 100 units in a CWT. Now a CWT (Hundredweight ) is 50.8 Kgs.
So one UNIT is 0.508 kgs.

A bag of 18.6.12 has 18x.508 = 9.1 kgs of Nitrogen.

https://www.fertilizer-assoc.ie/code-of-good-practice/nutrient-programme/

kollegeknight · 02-09-2017 1:47pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

No a UNIT is 1/100 of a CWT. So 100 units in a CWT. Now a CWT (Hundredweight ) is 50.8 Kgs.
So one UNIT is 0.508 kgs.

A bag of 18.6.12 has 18x.508 = 9.1 kgs of Nitrogen.

https://www.fertilizer-assoc.ie/code-of-good-practice/nutrient-programme/

Thanks for that Patsy.

whelan2 · 05-09-2017 2:16pm

Registered 2 calves about 10 days ago, got 2 dna kits in the post on Friday, they didnt waste any time sending them out. Took the hair samples this morning

patsy_mccabe · 04-10-2017 3:20pm

Re - Carbon Navigator

Sorry guys But I think I may have given wrong advoice above. Well the advice was right, but it's not what they are looking for.

They don't want you to give the tonnage of Nitrogen used. They want to give the actual tonnage of CAN and UREA used. So if you used 4 tonne of CAN in 2016, you put down 4.0.
If you used compund fertiliser like 18.6.12, you have to convert this to the equivalent in CAN. They give a formulae for this.

I'm filling my own Carbon Navigator in now, so that's how I spotted it. Deadline is 01 Nov 2017.

Parishlad · 04-10-2017 3:30pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Re - Carbon Navigator

Sorry guys But I think I may have given wrong advoice above. Well the advice was right, but it's not what they are looking for.

They don't want you to give the tonnage of Nitrogen used. They want to give the actual tonnage of CAN and UREA used. So if you used 4 tonne of CAN in 2016, you put down 4.0.
If you used compund fertiliser like 18.6.12, you have to convert this to the equivalent in CAN. They give a formulae for this.

I'm filling my own Carbon Navigator in now, so that's how I spotted it. Deadline is 01 Nov 2017.

Where is the formula to convert Patsy?

patsy_mccabe · 04-10-2017 3:38pm

Parishlad wrote: »

Where is the formula to convert Patsy?

It's on the back of the front page of the letter that they sent me. I'm about to fill on-line now.

Only took 5 mins to do online, once I had all the figures from the form written in.

Parishlad · 04-10-2017 4:01pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

It's on the back of the front page of the letter that they sent me. I'm about to fill on-line now.

Only took 5 mins to do online, once I had all the figures from the form written in.

Cheers Patsy! Must go and find that letter!!

sonnybill · 04-10-2017 8:46pm

5 months of age minimum for sale.

If you can input the calf quality on icbf do you boys sell away ??!!

Hurling Hereford · 04-10-2017 8:51pm

sonnybill wrote: »

5 months of age minimum for sale.

If you can input the calf quality on icbf do you boys sell away ??!!

Yes I have and I have had no problems. I have sold calves the day after I could input their docility/quality

patsy_mccabe · 04-10-2017 9:08pm

sonnybill wrote: »

5 months of age minimum for sale.

If you can input the calf quality on icbf do you boys sell away ??!!

I booked bull calves for the mart only to realise that the youngest was still umder the 5 months. Only spotted it when it wouldnt allowo me fill in teh calf docility and quality on ICBF.

sonnybill · 04-10-2017 10:16pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

I booked bull calves for the mart only to realise that the youngest was still umder the 5 months. Only spotted it when it wouldnt allowo me fill in teh calf docility and quality on ICBF.

Yeah not worth it if you lost out on scheme for keeping one calf an extra 2 weeks!

I've a few to go for a neighbour but last heifer calf is Apr 26th born so 5 months sept 26th so should be fine

Any one have that text number handy for the limited access for ICBF.com without paying the e60 .. They gave it out on the bdgp 2 training day ?

bogman_bass · 05-10-2017 12:00am

Parishlad wrote: »

Where is the formula to convert Patsy?

divide by 27 and multiply by the number of units of N in the compound.

so 4 ton of 18-6-12 would be (4/27)x18= 2.67
or
6 ton of 10-10-20 would be (6/27)x10=2.22

Parishlad · 05-10-2017 9:57am

bogman_bass wrote: »

divide by 27 and multiply by the number of units of N in the compound.

so 4 ton of 18-6-12 would be (4/27)x18= 2.67
or
6 ton of 10-10-20 would be (6/27)x10=2.22

Thanks for that! Will get it done now today to get it out of the way!

tanko · 05-10-2017 1:43pm

Met a neighbour today who had a query about the genomics scheme i couldnt answer.
He has a cow that calved a few weeks ago but she is wild and dangerous and he wants to sell her and the calf asap.
Can he do this without a penalty?
He got into a bit of bother last year fior selling calves a few days before they were 5 months old and got a penalty. He was told that the penalties would be worse the next time.
He has plenty of cows over his reference number.

patsy_mccabe · 05-10-2017 3:16pm

Tanko, ringing ICBF might be your best bet.

jd06 · 05-10-2017 3:36pm

tanko wrote:

Met a neighbour today who had a query about the genomics scheme i couldnt answer. He has a cow that calved a few weeks ago but she is wild and dangerous and he wants to sell her and the calf asap. Can he do this without a penalty? He got into a bit of bother last year fior selling calves a few days before they were 5 months old and got a penalty. He was told that the penalties would be worse the next time. He has plenty of cows over his reference number.

Had he more cows over the reference last year?
If so why did he get in trouble

tanko · 05-10-2017 4:00pm

jd06 wrote: »

Had he more cows over the reference last year?
If so why did he get in trouble

Im not sure how many cows he had last year, (he cant seem to go to a mart wirhout buying one or two tho).
He says he got into trouble because he sold a few calves before they were five months old. He just forgot about that rule.
I have one or two sets of twins here every year and always sell one of each set before theyre six weeks old.
I dont think ive been penalised for this, i'd have plenty of extra cows calved over the reference number tho.

Edit, ive rang a couple of people about this and it appears that he will lose the payment on that calf if its sold before 5 months old. No problem if the cow is sold and calf kept tho.
It also looks like im wrong about selling a twin and not getting a penalty but i dont remember being told of one.
I'll have to check the paperwork in my '' filing cabinet''.
The BDGP should be called the Beef Confusion Programme.

Hurling Hereford · 05-10-2017 9:46pm

tanko wrote: »

Met a neighbour today who had a query about the genomics scheme i couldnt answer.
He has a cow that calved a few weeks ago but she is wild and dangerous and he wants to sell her and the calf asap.
Can he do this without a penalty?
He got into a bit of bother last year fior selling calves a few days before they were 5 months old and got a penalty. He was told that the penalties would be worse the next time.
He has plenty of cows over his reference number.

Please take out your Terms & Conditions and read them.

You Can sell the Dam the day after she calves down, especially if she's f**king mad.

Yes, as you know you have to hold on to your calves until they are 5 months and a day. You will Not get penalised if you do this.

Hurling Hereford · 05-10-2017 9:54pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Re - Carbon Navigator

Sorry guys But I think I may have given wrong advoice above. Well the advice was right, but it's not what they are looking for.

They don't want you to give the tonnage of Nitrogen used. They want to give the actual tonnage of CAN and UREA used. So if you used 4 tonne of CAN in 2016, you put down 4.0.
If you used compund fertiliser like 18.6.12, you have to convert this to the equivalent in CAN. They give a formulae for this.

I'm filling my own Carbon Navigator in now, so that's how I spotted it. Deadline is 01 Nov 2017.

Carbon Navigator closing date is the 31st of this month.

patsy_mccabe · 06-10-2017 10:38am

Hurling Hereford wrote: »

Carbon Navigator closing date is the 31st of this month.

Carbon Navigator deadline.
Says 01-Nov-2017 on letter;

Hurling Hereford · 08-10-2017 8:43pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Carbon Navigator deadline.
Says 01-Nov-2017 on letter;

Don't know what going on. Office in Portlaois told me the closing date ON THE PHONE, totally baffld by the Dept

High bike · 08-10-2017 8:59pm

Got a reminder letter about mine and it says 1st of Nov too

Never wrestle with pigs · 08-10-2017 9:00pm

Same thing. It's just giving the lads that are always late a day to put it in.

I have 33 cows as my reference year. Calving 30 this year with culls. I'm not going to brake myself to get 3 more as I have lovely heifers coming trough next year and I want to have a closed herd bar bulls. Will I get fined this year for missing 3 cows?

charolais0153 · 08-10-2017 11:57pm

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

Same thing. It's just giving the lads that are always late a day to put it in.

I have 33 cows as my reference year. Calving 30 this year with culls. I'm not going to brake myself to get 3 more as I have lovely heifers coming trough next year and I want to have a closed herd bar bulls. Will I get fined this year for missing 3 cows?

No youll only get paid for 30 providing the 30 are done right.

Never wrestle with pigs · 09-10-2017 4:48am

charolais0153 wrote: »

No youll only get paid for 30 providing the 30 are done right.

And will it stay at 30 from now on or will it move back to 33 when I calve the extra heifers next year?

charolais0153 · 09-10-2017 10:35am

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

And will it stay at 30 from now on or will it move back to 33 when I calve the extra heifers next year?

Youll get paid for. 33 the following year

Hurling Hereford · 10-10-2017 8:59pm

charolais0153 wrote: »

No youll only get paid for 30 providing the 30 are done right.

As your reference figure is 33 you have to genotype 20 animals each year. Therefor once you have about 22 r 23 cows calvin down each year you'll have enough animals to cover the genotyping element of the BDgP

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