Leinster v Toulouse L'effort pour cinq contre The Drive for Five

kenmc · 21-04-2019 11:13pm

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Panti Bliss to lead the team out. Players to wear rainbow laces

And nidge reffing it

salmocab · 21-04-2019 11:20pm

Squatter wrote: »

Now that Leinster have qualified to play Saracens in the final, it's probably time to start a thread about whether Leinsterfans should (a) boo Billy V every time he gets the ball or (b) send one of our less sartorially gifted supporters onto the pitch to abuse him after the final whistle.

(A third strategy might be to concentrate on the rugby, but I can't seen such a common-sense approach bearing fruit, in the light of the seriousness of Billy's crime.)

Because the strategy the fans take may affect the score?

awec · 22-04-2019 12:21am

So, on a more serious point, what's the craic with the Guinness being replaced by Murphys?

Who signed off on that?

Squidgy Black · 22-04-2019 12:22am

awec wrote: »

So, on a more serious point, what's the craic with the Guinness being replaced by Murphys?

Who signed off on that?

Seemed to be an experimental game for the bars, level 1 was card payments only as well, no cash.

Squatter · 22-04-2019 12:27am

salmocab wrote: »

Because the strategy the fans take may affect the score?

Indeed.

If they ape the Munster supporters in booing the Great Tweeter, they may inspire him to play exceptionally well, which could affect both the score and the result.

CatFromHue · 22-04-2019 12:41am

For the disallowed try before halftime Lowe's catch of Henshaw's pass was fantastic, does anyone have any gifs of it?

22-04-2019 12:43am

CatFromHue wrote: »

For the disallowed try before halftime Lowe's catch of Henshaw's pass was fantastic, does anyone have any gifs of it?

gif of Lowe fantastically catching Henshaw's pass

sullivlo · 22-04-2019 12:46am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

gif of Lowe fantastically catching Henshaw's pass

Thanks. Very clear camera angle. Must have been a tmi camera.

Bazzo · 22-04-2019 12:49am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

gif of Lowe fantastically catching Henshaw's pass

You wouldn't get that from any other guy

sydthebeat · 22-04-2019 12:52am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

gif of Lowe fantastically catching Henshaw's pass

Never gonna tell a lie, but the best pass I've ever seen

fitz · 22-04-2019 6:33am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

gif of Lowe fantastically catching Henshaw's pass

And that's why he has to play the final - he's never gonna let you down. Incredible.

kenmc · 22-04-2019 7:26am

awec wrote: »

So, on a more serious point, what's the craic with the Guinness being replaced by Murphys?

Who signed off on that?

Delighted with the upgrade. Had resigned myself to drinking blandness, got beer with flavour instead!

Heineken and Murphy's are both in the Heineken portfolio - presume that's why it was done, cos Heineken cup

laugh · 22-04-2019 8:17am

swiwi_ wrote: »

...should have went...

Yip this an Irish-based forum

(to be sure)

Fixed for you:
Ba chóir go ndeachaigh an gradam chuig O'Brien. (Here's a clue as to why Irish people have strange sentence structure and word use at times.)

Clegg · 22-04-2019 8:34am

The Medard non try on 60 minutes was a pivotal moment. Toulouse we're starting to get their offload game going and causing our defence lots of trouble with their quick rucks. Fair play to Ringrose for tracking the dink.over the top. If Medard scored there was only 8 points in it with 29 minutes to go.

The Lost Sheep · 22-04-2019 9:53am

awec wrote: »

So, on a more serious point, what's the craic with the Guinness being replaced by Murphys?

Who signed off on that?

Heineken game. Wont have Guinness tapped for these games.

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Seemed to be an experimental game for the bars, level 1 was card payments only as well, no cash.

Level 1 will be cashless soon enough for all games maybe 1 till per bar having cash for people who dont have card.

kenmc wrote: »

Delighted with the upgrade. Had resigned myself to drinking blandness, got beer with flavour instead!

Heineken and Murphy's are both in the Heineken portfolio - presume that's why it was done, cos Heineken cup

exactly. Heineken game. so no diageo.

22-04-2019 10:27am

Bookies have both teams even stevens. Gonna be some game

awec · 22-04-2019 10:47am

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Heineken game. Wont have Guinness tapped for these games.

Level 1 will be cashless soon enough for all games maybe 1 till per bar having cash for people who dont have card.

exactly. Heineken game. so no diageo.

They had Guinness at the quarter final.

irishbucsfan · 22-04-2019 10:55am

awec wrote: »

They had Guinness at the quarter final.

Isn’t it only the semis and final that EPCR run themselves?

thomond2006 · 22-04-2019 10:55am

awec wrote: »

They had Guinness at the quarter final.

Perhaps it's something to do with the game being EPCR controlled and/or their deal with sponsors.

Edit: Damn you IBF!

Squatter · 22-04-2019 11:44am

Deleted User wrote: »

Bookies have both teams even stevens. Gonna be some game

Only if the ref and the weather are good.

At least we won't get Barnes, who was poor enough in last year's final, although in fairness he had a good game yesterday.

But if we get Garces or Poite, then I very much fear that the cheatingest team will win. And, although we're pretty streetwise, we're not up to Sarries' level.

flatface · 22-04-2019 12:59pm

Squatter wrote: »

Only if the ref and the weather are good.

At least we won't get Barnes, who was poor enough in last year's final, although in fairness he had a good game yesterday.

But if we get Garces or Poite, then I very much fear that the cheatingest team will win. And, although we're pretty streetwise, we're not up to Sarries' level.

So we are streetwise but they are cheats? Impressive spin.

Fantastic Leinster performance, great to see such hunger and dominance. I think Sarries looked great though, Farrell is really at his peak at the moment, and I don’t think we will bully them at all. In a 50/50 slugging competition I would favour them to take it, so I am hoping we can put in an early performance to unsettle them and shift the balance in our favour

Squatter · 22-04-2019 1:03pm

flatface wrote: »

So we are streetwise but they are cheats?

Every professional rugby team is streetwise, indeed some prominent players' reputations are built largely on their prowess in the area, but some teams take it further than others.

Not going to list the usual suspects here, but for me, Sarries are probably the cheatingest team in Europe. Leinster would be quite a bit lower in the roll of dishonour!

irishbucsfan · 22-04-2019 1:09pm

Squatter wrote: »

Every professional rugby team is streetwise, indeed some prominent players' reputations are built largely on their prowess in the area, but some teams take it further than others.

Not going to list the usual suspects here, but for me, Sarries are probably the cheatingest team in Europe. Leinster would be quite a bit lower in the roll of dishonour!

What do Saracens do regularly that Leinster don’t that make them cheats?

Clegg · 22-04-2019 1:11pm

I've watched a replay of Leinster's disallowed try at the end of the first half. To be honest I really don't see what was wrong with it. Barnes said Conan initiated contact with the Toulouse player, but the latter had clearly darted up to make a hit on Conan who he thought would be the receiver.

Exclamation Marc · 22-04-2019 1:16pm

Clegg wrote: »

I've watched a replay of Leinster's disallowed try at the end of the first half. To be honest I really don't see what was wrong with it. Barnes said Conan initiated contact with the Toulouse player, but the latter had clearly darted up to make a hit on Conan who he thought would be the receiver.

Mmmm agree with this. I think another referee would accept that Conan was running a line which he was entitled to do.

irishbucsfan · 22-04-2019 1:19pm

Clegg wrote: »

I've watched a replay of Leinster's disallowed try at the end of the first half. To be honest I really don't see what was wrong with it. Barnes said Conan initiated contact with the Toulouse player, but the latter had clearly darted up to make a hit on Conan who he thought would be the receiver.

Conan definitely hits him. He’s only doing what you’d do naturally but the Toulouse player is taken out of play by it and he had a chance of getting to the call carrier.

If Conan hadn’t shaped up for contact, thrown his arms up or something like that, he might have gotten away with it, but I don’t really blame him

Clegg · 22-04-2019 1:28pm

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Conan definitely hits him. He’s only doing what you’d do naturally but the Toulouse player is taken out of play by it and he had a chance of getting to the call carrier.

If Conan hadn’t shaped up for contact, thrown his arms up or something like that, he might have gotten away with it, but I don’t really blame him

Oh yeah, Conan definitely hit him. But it just looked to me like he was bracing for contact. It's not really important now, but still think it should have been ruled as an on filed collision. Henshaw's pass was probably forward in the next phase anyway.

And despite Buer's inevitable protestations, James Lowe simply must start the final. His two finishes were exceptional and he adds so much all over the pitch. He was used as a carrier on a number of occasions, drew in two tacklers and offloaded to a free man. He's world class.

Buer · 22-04-2019 1:43pm

I wouldn't protest. He's top class and obviously features in our strongest team. I'm just risk adverse to potentially having Hugh O'Sullivan play a large chunk of a final. Even if we had Mick Kearney or Ross Molony, I'd consider dropping Fardy (although I'd be very unhappy about it).

I'd be more than happy for Lowe to start but it's a risk and I think we've already seen that the coaching staff tend to lean towards the percentage call and omit him.

The problem with Saracens is that they are relentless and the game will be hugely demanding for the players physically. If McGrath doesn't pick up a knock, it will be a big ask for him to play 70+ minutes. It's a messy situation.

Clegg · 22-04-2019 1:56pm

Buer wrote: »

I wouldn't protest. He's top class and obviously features in our strongest team. I'm just risk adverse to potentially having Hugh O'Sullivan play a large chunk of a final. Even if we had Mick Kearney or Ross Molony, I'd consider dropping Fardy (although I'd be very unhappy about it).

I'd be more than happy for Lowe to start but it's a risk and I think we've already seen that the coaching staff tend to lean towards the percentage call and omit him.

The problem with Saracens is that they are relentless and the game will be hugely demanding for the players physically. If McGrath doesn't pick up a knock, it will be a big ask for him to play 70+ minutes. It's a messy situation.

Starting Lowe is definitely a risk, but it's one I think we need to take. Saracens are are well organised side that are extremely hard to break down. We've seen how Munster have utterly failed to make in roads against them on two separate occasions. We need our best backs on the pitch to stand them up and get them to make decisions on the fly which they may not be comfortable in making.

Saracens always prepare well for games. I think we'll need Lowe as he's a player that you really can't prepare for. You know he'll try a hand off and then an offload to a support runner. But you still have to stop him doing it. So far nobody has really got to grips with his style of play.

Yes, we need to balance the risk of McGrath not finishing the game, but I think not having Lowe in the side is a needless handicap on ourselves.

Squatter · 22-04-2019 2:01pm

irishbucsfan wrote: »

What do Saracens do regularly that Leinster don’t that make them cheats?

Why not watch them and make up your own mind?

RasTa · 22-04-2019 2:10pm

What's with the areas being locked on the Newcastle website. £90 for Cat1 is taking the piss too.

The Lost Sheep · 22-04-2019 2:17pm

RasTa wrote: »

What's with the areas being locked on the Newcastle website. £90 for Cat1 is taking the piss too.

Its final of premier tournament in Europe. Wouldnt say €90 for category 1 is taking piss.
Area's locked are allocations for teams fans i assume

irishbucsfan · 22-04-2019 2:26pm

Squatter wrote: »

Why not watch them and make up your own mind?

I have watched both. You made the assertion, so are you able to back that up at all?

22-04-2019 2:44pm

irishbucsfan wrote: »

What do Saracens do regularly that Leinster don’t that make them cheats?

They have English accents

Squatter · 22-04-2019 3:17pm

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I have watched both. You made the assertion, so are you able to back that up at all?

It's my opinion, based on watching both teams regularly over the past number of years. You are completely free to agree or disagree with it as you prefer. Rest assured that I won't lose any sleep over which option you take.

I will add that, with all due respect to Peter O'Mahony, I regard Itoje and Liam Williams as probably the biggest cheats in European rugby.

That too - in case you're confused - is my opinion.

Squatter · 22-04-2019 3:22pm

Deleted User wrote: »

They have English accents

Actually they have English, South African, Australian, Argentinian, Scottish and Welsh accents. And their DoR has a Northern Irish accent!

The Lost Sheep · 22-04-2019 3:26pm

Squatter wrote: »

It's my opinion, based on watching both teams regularly over the past number of years. You are completely free to agree or disagree with it as you prefer. Rest assured that I won't lose any sleep over which option you take.

I will add that, with all due respect to Peter O'Mahony, I regard Itoje and Liam Williams as probably the biggest cheats in European rugby.

That too - in case you're confused - is my opinion.

Anything to actually back up what you said rather than all this nonsense.
What exactly do they do to be "biggest cheats" as there's a lot more than statements with nothing to back it up.

pickarooney · 22-04-2019 3:54pm

Faugheen wrote: »

Conan's increased involvement and good performances as the Six Nations progressed shows that gap has narrowed significantly.

I maintain that Stander's best form in an Irish jersey has been when he played at 6. That's not to say he's been poor at 8 because it's far from the case, but he was outstanding at 6 for Ireland.

With all our 7s pretty much written off, who are we going to play there next season? What's up with VdF?

pickarooney · 22-04-2019 3:58pm

awec wrote: »

So, on a more serious point, what's the craic with the Guinness being replaced by Murphys?

Who signed off on that?

I dunno awec, last time someone flogged your lot a Murphy you weren't complaining.

Richie_Rich89 · 22-04-2019 3:58pm

It was a shocking pass under relatively minimal pressure out of Henshaw for the Lowe non try. Looked forward to me, so the try would probably have been chalked off anyway.

I thought Henshaw looked sharp overall, but contrast his execution of the basics with some of the on-the-money passes Nonu has been throwing in SR lately.

irishbucsfan · 22-04-2019 3:59pm

Squatter wrote: »

It's my opinion, based on watching both teams regularly over the past number of years. You are completely free to agree or disagree with it as you prefer. Rest assured that I won't lose any sleep over which option you take.

I will add that, with all due respect to Peter O'Mahony, I regard Itoje and Liam Williams as probably the biggest cheats in European rugby.

That too - in case you're confused - is my opinion.

Ah OK, so nothing here at all, just vague platitudes. Insightful stuff. Probably all the dark arts and unseen work they're doing in the thick of battle.

Richie_Rich89 · 22-04-2019 3:59pm

pickarooney wrote: »

With all our 7s pretty much written off, who are we going to play there next season? What's up with VdF?

Connors and Peni

irishbucsfan · 22-04-2019 4:02pm

Yeah really looking forward to getting Will Connors back. A really terrible time to take such a rough injury but just having himself and Penney there should free up Deegan to play elsewhere. Certainly no lack of talent in the loose five for next season. I'd be far more worried about the backs during the world cup.

Faugheen · 22-04-2019 4:16pm

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Yeah really looking forward to getting Will Connors back. A really terrible time to take such a rough injury but just having himself and Penney there should free up Deegan to play elsewhere. Certainly no lack of talent in the loose five for next season. I'd be far more worried about the backs during the world cup.

Really?

JGP, HOS, Patterson;
R. Byrne, Frawley, H. Byrne
Tomane, ROL, C. O'Brien, J. O'Brien
Lowe, Daly, A. Byrne, Keenan, Kelly, (maybe) D. Kearney.

Plus whoever breaks out from the academy.

I think we'll be just fine. People forget that the other teams will be missing their best players as well.

Squidgy Black · 22-04-2019 4:34pm

Faugheen wrote: »

Really?

JGP, HOS, Patterson;
R. Byrne, Frawley, H. Byrne
Tomane, ROL, C. O'Brien, J. O'Brien
Lowe, Daly, A. Byrne, Keenan, Kelly, (maybe) D. Kearney.

Plus whoever breaks out from the academy.

I think we'll be just fine. People forget that the other teams will be missing their best players as well.

You forgot Ferg as well, hasn't been any indication of him retiring yet either.

irishbucsfan · 22-04-2019 4:34pm

Faugheen wrote: »

Really?

JGP, HOS, Patterson;
R. Byrne, Frawley, H. Byrne
Tomane, ROL, C. O'Brien, J. O'Brien
Lowe, Daly, A. Byrne, Keenan, Kelly, (maybe) D. Kearney.

Plus whoever breaks out from the academy.

I think we'll be just fine. People forget that the other teams will be missing their best players as well.

I'm not worried at all, I just think the quality of depth and experience isn't there when compared to our pack. If we lost a couple of those guys we could see a struggle. Hopefully the quality of the pack gives them an easier ride.

Other teams will lose players, we'll lose the most as usual.

Faugheen · 22-04-2019 5:42pm

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I'm not worried at all, I just think the quality of depth and experience isn't there when compared to our pack. If we lost a couple of those guys we could see a struggle. Hopefully the quality of the pack gives them an easier ride.

Other teams will lose players, we'll lose the most as usual.

9. JGP, 10. Byrne, 11. Lowe, 12. Tomane, 13. ROL, 14. A. Byrne, 15. Daly.

That's an excellent backline full of experience at Pro14 level, especially in a league whose sides will be depleted of their best players. We've also got Cian Kelleher coming back as well. Completely forgot about that.

Certainly none of our provincial rivals will be able to stand up to that? There's also the chance McGrath doesn't go to the World Cup which will give us a full compliment at 9.

Ardillaun · 22-04-2019 5:47pm

swiwi_ wrote: »

...should have went...

Yip this an Irish-based forum

(to be sure)

Come to North America and you’ll hear ‘have went’ all the time:

https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/449476/is-have-went-gaining-common-currency-in-ame-and-bre

Richie_Rich89 · 22-04-2019 5:50pm

Faugheen wrote: »

9. JGP, 10. Byrne, 11. Lowe, 12. Tomane, 13. ROL, 14. A. Byrne, 15. Daly.

That's an excellent backline full of experience at Pro14 level, especially in a league whose sides will be depleted of their best players. We've also got Cian Kelleher coming back as well. Completely forgot about that.

Certainly none of our provincial rivals will be able to stand up to that? There's also the chance McGrath doesn't go to the World Cup which will give us a full compliment at 9.

Yes, Tomane at 12 ahead of Conor O'Brien.

:rolleyes:

Faugheen · 22-04-2019 5:58pm

Richie_Rich89 wrote: »

Yes, Tomane at 12 ahead of Conor O'Brien.

:rolleyes:

He's a better player than Conor O'Brien, so yes.

Leinster v Toulouse L'effort pour cinq contre The Drive for Five

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