Bookmakers Bitch/Moan/Groan thread - See mod warning Post 1!

ancapallliath · 17-11-2015 9:33am

ArtyC wrote: »

ancapallliath wrote: »

bookies hold majority of the cards so can rule how they feel fit.
if all else fail they claim palpable error

on a few occasions some bookies tried to do me on horse race accas on rule 4's etc.
its easy to argue by looking at BHA etc for times of non runners and claiming markets were reformed but in other sports its hard to argue

however they only voided that portion of the acca and paid out on all remaining winners?
maybe in this instance they are being genuine?
why not void the whole acca and give just your stake back if they really did not want to pay full winnings?[/QUO

Do you understand what a rule 4 is? Bookies tried to do me? Seriously

Haha I do. Do you understand placing bets on reformed markets are nr's are declared? No rule 4s should apply to reformed markets unless there are further nr's. Seriously!

ArtyC · 17-11-2015 3:18pm

Did it say it was a new book? You should enquire before placing the bet. A new book is not done straight away, or always done. Maybe if you can't handle the rules of racing, you should knock it on the head. I say this because bookies do not do you out of money.... Errors can be made on both sides and easily sorted... But if you feel like you're being swindled you shouldn't go into bookies

ancapallliath · 17-11-2015 3:27pm

ArtyC wrote: »

Did it say it was a new book? You should enquire before placing the bet. A new book is not done straight away, or always done. Maybe if you can't handle the rules of racing, you should knock it on the head. I say this because bookies do not do you out of money.... Errors can be made on both sides and easily sorted... But if you feel like you're being swindled you shouldn't go into bookies

of course it was a new market. I waited until the markets reformed before placing the bets. i have been gambling years and understand the rules fairly well.

now, before jumping down my throat again, I said they tried to do me out of money. TRIED
I argued my point and won and got full pay out on 3 occasions, this despite my inability to "handle the rules of racing".

I wouldn't argue if I felt I was in the wrong.

torres9kop · 17-11-2015 3:34pm

Bookies always try and do you out of money. Its us against them. On numerous occasions Ive gone in to collect winning soccer accum bets to be told 'the odds on one or two selections went lower etc'.. They never tell you if they went higher and give u more.. Has anyone ever gone in to collect and instead of collecting say €500 on ur bet the pleasant staff say 'odds changed heres €550' Never

Healio · 17-11-2015 3:49pm

ancapallliath wrote: »

I find it odd that they claim palp error on a 1 point difference in handicap

Where did they claim palp? This was a price/line change.

It is quite clearly displayed in their rules to be fair:

Paddy Power advertises prices on Coupons, in the press and various other locations. These are guide prices only and therefore subject to fluctuation. Where there has been a small change in price (or handicap and point values where applicable), Paddy Power may elect to use the Coupon values for the settlement of bets. Unless Paddy Power elects to do this, the bets will be settled at the valid price (and handicap and point values where applicable) at the time.

https://support.paddypower.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/398/kw/price/p/6

ArtyC · 17-11-2015 3:52pm

Yeah the cashier/bookie is doing you out if money.....grow up... If there was an error on your bet due to a computer fault, they fixed it for you, you argued probably on and on while they just checked up results.

And yeah people have got more money than expected due to price changes. This I know for a fact. Including a woman who had done her lotto numbers twice because she forgot she had done them, also with price changes etc

Maybe you should change your bookie... I'm sure you were quick to jump down the throat of the poor poor cashier getting an hourly wage..

ArtyC · 17-11-2015 4:03pm

Also: "gambling for years" you're obviously very good at it. 😂😂😂😂😂 Good luck

ancapallliath · 17-11-2015 4:04pm

ArtyC wrote: »

Yeah the cashier/bookie is doing you out if money.....grow up... If there was an error on your bet due to a computer fault, they fixed it for you, you argued probably on and on while they just checked up results.

And yeah people have got more money than expected due to price changes. This I know for a fact. Including a woman who had done her lotto numbers twice because she forgot she had done them, also with price changes etc

Maybe you should change your bookie... I'm sure you were quick to jump down the throat of the poor poor cashier getting an hourly wage..

could you please be more constructive with your responses so we can determine who exactly your are arguing with?
Point 1 is directed at me, Point 2 should not be directed at me, but I am unsure of who Point 3 is directed at.

So I will only respond to your first point until you have clarified your responses.

Please dont presume you know me or you know of my discussions with the cashier. I can assume that you, as have I, have seen enough heated arguments in a bookies shop to come to this conclusion so this is understandable.
however, I am too long in the tooth and realise you get nowhere by shouting.
I asked why the payout was less. cashier checked the system and said it was correct. I got my docket back and researched the times of the nr's in the race and showed this to the cashier. manager investigated and said there was an issue on their system and paid me out accordingly. no raised voices no heated arguement, i just argued my case.

ancapallliath · 17-11-2015 4:06pm

ArtyC wrote: »

Also: "gambling for years" you're obviously very good at it. 😂😂😂😂😂 Good luck

you do realise that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit?

Yes I would love to be better at gambling but hold my own.
I dont bet big but do so for the thrill and would admittedly enjoy more winnings than I am used to

ArtyC · 17-11-2015 4:07pm

So there was an issue with their system and they sorted you. Bit different from they tried to do me out of money.

ancapallliath · 17-11-2015 4:09pm

ArtyC wrote: »

So there was an issue with their system and they sorted you. Bit different from they tried to do me out of money.

they try to do someone out of money when they refuse to pay out and also refuse to accept that there is something wrong with their system until proof was provided.
If i was not sure that I placed bets on a reformed market they would have saved money and doing me out of money in the process

TrueDub · 17-11-2015 4:21pm

Replies are getting too personal here folks, back on-topic and keep it constructive please.

Trampas · 01-08-2016 6:34am

Saturday morning I flicking through bets on the PGA.

I noticed over 34 players to finish under par was 9/4. This stage there was 48 after 2 rounds and storms forecast. I was like great value here.

Low and behold it romped home. Weather wasn't as bad as expected after from the Saturday afternoon but no play possible.

Check my bets this morning and settled at 1/5.

Before I get on the phone to them why do they think it's ok to offer a price and then change it after the event.

If priced wrong I've no issue contacting me straight away about it but not 2 days later when the bet comes in.

Could only get xxx on it as if I put more I was getting asked to refer it.

I think they backed the weather been bad and scores to go high and wasn't the case so welching on the bet

okidoki987 · 01-08-2016 1:46pm

I'm guessing online and so should be paid at the original price as they had ample time to change price if they needed to.
You also have the bet slip with the price on it.
A problem you may have is the usual "price was incorrect due to xyz reasons" and then you are in the lap of the "bookie gods".
If you don't get sorted to your satisfaction, you can always go to IBAS.

zimmermania · 14-08-2016 3:22pm

I placed a bet on Mondialist yesterday to win the Arlingon Million,the docket was stamped and I was given back my copy of the slip.
Before I left the counter I asked if there were early prices for Arlington the guy behind the counter (whom I know well) informed me that they were not betting on Arlington and gave me back the €20 I had bet.

I watched Mondialist win a thriller at 11 19 at odds of 13/1 and was left rueing the fact that pp were not betting on the event for some legal? reason.

4068ac1elhodqr · 01-12-2016 4:32pm

Bit disappointment to see BetBright 'forgot to update their prices' - on a major live golf event (Aussie PGA R1), advertised very good prices across OC, and on their site all day yesterday, right up until late this morning. But then emailed today around 12noon to say the prices are all now incorrect so will be either void or greatly reduced. They only allowed a 2.5hr window to choose whether to void or accept the new prices.

whiteshorts · 03-10-2017 1:42pm

Boyles today had one of their usual shop bets up "name a winner at each of today's 6 Horse Race meetings Irish & UK".
Wouldn't normally look at these but just checked the shortest priced horse at each of the 6 meetings and accum price worked out at over 100/1 using their prices.
They had the "special" up at 40/1 :eek: and with the t&c "Prices not guaranteed"!
Cashier couldn't explain why it was at 40/1.
Price would have been even bigger if you took a bigger priced horse.
Appalling stuff but no doubt there are people who back these so called "specials".

PopePalpatine · 05-10-2017 11:28pm

I know that feeling, Sky currently offer a Hamilton/Vettel dual forecast for the Japanese GP @5/6...but Bwin offer 11/4. They pulled the same trick last weekend with Vettel to win & Hamilton to retire @40/1, but Betway offered 135.5/1.

zimmermania · 08-10-2017 6:46pm

I was in a Ladbrokes office on Friday having a bet on a race in Dundalk,what caught my eye was 1/4 1,2,3,4 on the top of the small box where early prices and results are displayed.

As a regular punter I know the maximum number of runners in any rade at Dundalk is 14,i have seen a situation like this several times (in PP the prefix res is before the names of 3 horses).

Knowing well that Lads were not paying 4 places in the race I approached a young man inside the counter and asked if they were paying an extra place in the particular race.

He called the girl in charge and she said yes they were paying 4 places in the race as it was a handicap,when I pointed out that there cannot be more than 14 runners in any race at the venue she just shrugged and suggested I email or phone their head office.

I wonder how many punters placed bets thinking they were getting 4 places and is this a case of false advertising?

thesandeman · 08-10-2017 7:21pm

Did you notice if the reserves were priced up?

zimmermania · 09-10-2017 10:20am

thesandeman wrote: »

Did you notice if the reserves were priced up?

Yes the reserves were priced up but not listed as reserves,my main gripe is that under no circumstances whatsoever can a punter get 4 places as the safety limit is 14 runners but yet the board with the horses priced up shows 17 runners and 1/4 the odds.

The board should read 3 places as that is the only outcome that can occur.

thesandeman · 09-10-2017 4:01pm

zimmermania wrote: »

Yes the reserves were priced up but not listed as reserves,my main gripe is that under no circumstances whatsoever can a punter get 4 places as the safety limit is 14 runners but yet the board with the horses priced up shows 17 runners and 1/4 the odds.

The board should read 3 places as that is the only outcome that can occur.

Oh I know. I'm just wondering do they bring in a rule 4 as well seeing as the reserves (or others) won't be running.

zimmermania · 09-10-2017 9:50pm

thesandeman wrote: »

Oh I know. I'm just wondering do they bring in a rule 4 as well seeing as the reserves (or others) won't be running.

I doubt it but would not put it past them.

whiteshorts · 21-11-2017 12:05am

Looking through bookie sign on offers and noticed Bet365 have slashed their opening offer!
Used to be "matched 1st deposit up to 200 and didn't need to be rolled before betting and was abloe to withdraw after betting the 1st 200".
Easiest way was to place 200 on something and place the bonus 200 on the same event so a 400 stake for the price of 200.
Now it's matched as free bets up to 100 available after settled bets of the original 100, so no extra cash and bonus bet stakes not refunded.
Strange that new account openings have soared (as have profits) in last year.

25-05-2018 7:32pm

Hi,

I'm not much of a gambler but I logged on to PP to put a bet on the Champions league final tomorrow. I noticed that all my betting history had been wiped, including two open bets i had since 2016.

I contacted the PP live chat and they said there had been a system migration last year and this was why i could not see my betting history. They also said if my bets come in I will be paid.

Has anyone else had the same issue ?

montyrebel · 26-05-2018 10:09am

what were the open bets?

Juwwi · 28-05-2018 9:38pm

Did a treble Saturday in a Boyles shop ,

I wrote €50 treble on the docket and in the stake box put 50 ,

I changed my mind and decided I'd put €70 on it ,I changed the stake box to €70 and paid €70 ,the girl stamps it €70 .

I forgot to change the €50 treble on the docket to €70 tho .

Went into collect today and was being offered a €50 treble and €20 refund for an over stake .

Argued the point l had 70 wrote down the bottom and paid 70 its obvious l wanted a €70 bet .

Got paid in full eventually but someone on the end of the phone was advising the girl to pay only a €50 treble .

I wonder if it had of lost would they of returning €20 or say it all went on a €70 treble.

Bunch of chancers .

zimmermania · 28-05-2018 9:59pm

robbie1977 wrote: »

Did a treble Saturday in a Boyles shop ,

I wrote €50 treble on the docket and in the stake box put 50 ,

I changed my mind and decided I'd put €70 on it ,I changed the stake box to €70 and paid €70 ,the girl stamps it €70 .

I forgot to change the €50 treble on the docket to €70 tho .

Went into collect today and was being offered a €50 treble and €20 refund for an over stake .

Argued the point l had 70 wrote down the bottom and paid 70 its obvious l wanted a €70 bet .

Got paid in full eventually but someone on the end of the phone was advising the girl to pay only a €50 treble .

I wonder if it had of lost would they of returning €20 or say it all went on a €70 treble.

Bunch of chancers .

You would not not have a hope of getting your 20 back.
Staff are not trained and do not understand anything about betting as a rule.

JagoMoon · 11-08-2018 7:37am

Just wondering if anyone else is having the same experience as myself. Firstly Id like to say I'm just betting in shops at the moment so betting online is not the issue. So anyways, I find a bet i like i check oddschecker see the price for the two bets 4/6 & 1/1, then double check with the bookmakers website everything the same. But then when i go to the shop I'm told the prices in the shop are 8/15 and 10/11. Staff reinforce the point shop prices are different to online.

I just don't get how they can rip people off like that. Rant over!

Dr. Bre · 11-08-2018 11:00am

JagoMoon wrote: »

Just wondering if anyone else is having the same experience as myself. Firstly Id like to say I'm just betting in shops at the moment so betting online is not the issue. So anyways, I find a bet i like i check oddschecker see the price for the two bets 4/6 & 1/1, then double check with the bookmakers website everything the same. But then when i go to the shop I'm told the prices in the shop are 8/15 and 10/11. Staff reinforce the point shop prices are different to online.

I just don't get how they can rip people off like that. Rant over!

Is it to encourage people to set up online account? I know the golf that online paddy will pay top ten but in shop only 7.

JagoMoon · 11-08-2018 12:24pm

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Is it to encourage people to set up online account? I know the golf that online paddy will pay top ten but in shop only 7.

I just don't get how their prices can differ from online to their shops. Surely the company should be able to stand over their prices on all their platforms. It just seems like they're ripping people off in the shops.

slimshady007 · 13-08-2018 9:13am

JagoMoon wrote: »

I just don't get how their prices can differ from online to their shops. Surely the company should be about the stand over their prices on all their platforms. It just seems like they're ripping people off in the shops.

It's all about data. They got nothing on a Joe soap walking in to a shop but online they can track your bets, your stakes, profit/losses, etc so they can limit your account if needs be. In the shop they have no such edge and have to take the bet most of the time hence why they don't give offers as good as online to reduce their exposure. Agree it's wrong but not sure there's any law against it.

PopePalpatine · 13-08-2018 12:34pm

My own personal theory is that they're taking advantage of the average person who still hangs around in their shops. Take a look inside a bookie's, what do you see? It's mostly >50-year-old guys who can barely figure out how to use Facebook, never mind Oddschecker.

zimmermania · 13-08-2018 6:53pm

PopePalpatine wrote: »

My own personal theory is that they're taking advantage of the average person who still hangs around in their shops. Take a look inside a bookie's, what do you see? It's mostly >50-year-old guys who can barely figure out how to use Facebook, never mind Oddschecker.

Generalisations are never entirely accurate.In one of my local shops i get 1/4 the odds all handicaps singles and more importantly multiples rather than the 1/5 available online.

I also find that the 4 places sometimes offered on races with less than 16 runners offers some value.Shops are essential if one has a "live" one and wants to hold onto an online account.Punters should use whatever suits them best and i find that using both methods is best for me.

Glenbhoy · 16-08-2018 6:21pm

zimmermania wrote: »

Generalisations are never entirely accurate.In one of my local shops i get 1/4 the odds all handicaps singles and more importantly multiples rather than the 1/5 available online.

I also find that the 4 places sometimes offered on races with less than 16 runners offers some value.Shops are essential if one has a "live" one and wants to hold onto an online account.Punters should use whatever suits them best and i find that using both methods is best for me.

Would agree to an extent, shops can be very useful, especially taking advantage of specials. An added benefit of shops is that you don't fritter away your winnings on a late night nasl game, just for the interest!! I tend to have my bets decided on long before I enter the shop, go in, write them out and head off. No need to hang around for the day, trying to resist the allure of virtual racing, remember, there's nothing virtual about your winnings as I heard them say last time I was in!!!

Glenbhoy · 26-08-2018 8:04am

Has anyone else noticed the amount of changes downwards between quoted prices and prices immediately prior to striking bets, particularly in-running? Seems to me that these reductions are pretty systematic and simply another way of increasing margins, am I being paranoid or has anyone else noticed similar. It's pretty widespread across the board.
Some bookmakers 'very helpfully' allow you to change your settings to ignore such changes and strike the bet anyway, something I would strongly recommend is avoided.

akelly02 · 07-09-2018 1:51pm

Went into Boyle’s to withdraw €600 that I have on my online account.

I rang customer services beforehand , they said just bring ID and my acc number and there will be no problem.

Call into shop and your one rings it in and says no, the money has to go back to the card as it came from the card.

I told them I done this last month in a different shop and there was no problem.

They said they only gave it to me last time as a gesture. I was never notified it was a gesture

In the end she ended up giving me half as a ****ing gesture

Anyone face anything similar?

zimmermania · 07-09-2018 10:48pm

akelly02 wrote: »

Went into Boyle’s to withdraw €600 that I have on my online account.

I rang customer services beforehand , they said just bring ID and my acc number and there will be no problem.

Call into shop and your one rings it in and says no, the money has to go back to the card as it came from the card.

I told them I done this last month in a different shop and there was no problem.

They said they only gave it to me last time as a gesture. I was never notified it was a gesture

In the end she ended up giving me half as a ****ing gesture

Anyone face anything similar?

That is just crazy,i have no trouble withdrawing cash with my cash card in Powers.

Collie D · 08-09-2018 8:46am

In Powers you can only withdraw the surplus on your last deposit in shop i.e. You deposit €100 online and turn it into €200. You would only be able to take your €100 profit out in shop.

Could be the same in Boyles.

akelly02 · 08-09-2018 12:52pm

Collie D wrote: »

In Powers you can only withdraw the surplus on your last deposit in shop i.e. You deposit €100 online and turn it into €200. You would only be able to take your €100 profit out in shop.

Could be the same in Boyles.

It’s a joke, money is money . Of course squandered some of the €300 out of pure thickness also

zimmermania · 10-09-2018 8:26pm

akelly02 wrote: »

It’s a joke, money is money . Of course squandered some of the €300 out of pure thickness also

I did not know that,i have never deposited in a shop i use paypal online but it is nonsensical that one cannot draw out ones own money.

akelly02 · 11-09-2018 10:02am

zimmermania wrote: »

I did not know that,i have never deposited in a shop i use paypal online but it is nonsensical that one cannot draw out ones own money.

i know, i was so annoyed , i was in the shop for a good 20 mins before the old lady says i cant withdraw my own money

mailburner · 14-10-2018 1:23am

Why is it some bookies offer you a 100% cashout after you have place a bet an other 80-85%...think it might be 85minimum but not certain?

I have a 50 single on with bet365 right now and I can cash out for full amount yet if it was betway to name one that would be 40-45 tops

I hate that!

It's another reason bet365 are the top bookie I guess.

LizardKing · 10-04-2019 9:31am

Had a PP account I setup in 2007 .. got an email saying the €7.19 in funds would be taken unless i signed in (some dormant account charge)

logged in (eventually after getting help via chat) and made some bets to use up the cash. Then I was watching the National and said feck it and loaded money via CC and laid a few bets. lost most of the money.

Next day noticed cash advance fees on the CC (I recall this back in the day and forgot they charge it)

I then got onto PP to remove the CC as the UI did not allow it (says to talk to support)

The fella said he'd take a look and then says no you need to do X, Y and Z ( take photos of the card and send to some email)

I was like , WTF ... surely this is illegal... he said no its due to money laundering rules... I said a feck this I will be closing my account

They let you load money into PP on the cards no problems but make it really difficult to remove the cards!!!!

I have to wait for some open bets to close first before I close my account.

I'm just wondering in todays GDPR world if they can deny my request to remove my personal information?

Its obviously a ploy to make it harder for gamblers to remove methods to top up

#RANTOVER

3DataModem · 10-04-2019 9:56am

LizardKing wrote: »

Had a PP account I setup in 2007 .. got an email saying the €7.19 in funds would be taken unless i signed in (some dormant account charge)

logged in (eventually after getting help via chat) and made some bets to use up the cash. Then I was watching the National and said feck it and loaded money via CC and laid a few bets. lost most of the money.

Next day noticed cash advance fees on the CC (I recall this back in the day and forgot they charge it)

I then got onto PP to remove the CC as the UI did not allow it (says to talk to support)

The fella said he'd take a look and then says no you need to do X, Y and Z ( take photos of the card and send to some email)

I was like , WTF ... surely this is illegal... he said no its due to money laundering rules... I said a feck this I will be closing my account

They let you load money into PP on the cards no problems but make it really difficult to remove the cards!!!!

I have to wait for some open bets to close first before I close my account.

I'm just wondering in todays GDPR world if they can deny my request to remove my personal information?

Its obviously a ploy to make it harder for gamblers to remove methods to top up

#RANTOVER

Making a deposit on a dormant account, and then asking for the funding method to be removed, is an absolutely massive money laundering and fraud trigger for online bookmakers. And yes they all say "but I'm not money laundering" and they all say "but it's a tiny amount of money" etc etc.

Almost all of their regulators (in your case the relevant regulator is probably Malta) require cashouts to be first processed back to the method used to deposit.

If you want to be forgotten (persuant to article 17 of GDPR) then they have the ability to refuse, as they are required to hold data - especially financial data - to comply with various laws, and that is one of the grounds where refusal to comply with a request is allowed.

(note: I don't work for PP, but I do work in the gambling sector)

Tomw86 · 10-04-2019 11:34am

I don't often use Bet365 for tennis betting, but did this morning.

One selection won because his opponent retired and they settle it as VOID, rather than a winner. I have been on the phone to them and apparently this is their policy.

It is an absolute disgrace and cop out.

As far as I can see, PP and Betfair would settle that as a winner.

Has anyone else any experience of this?

I would urge people to avoid Bet365 tennis betting like the plague due to this.

The Rooster · 10-04-2019 8:38pm

Tomw86 wrote: »

I don't often use Bet365 for tennis betting, but did this morning.

One selection won because his opponent retired and they settle it as VOID, rather than a winner. I have been on the phone to them and apparently this is their policy.

It is an absolute disgrace and cop out.

As far as I can see, PP and Betfair would settle that as a winner.

Has anyone else any experience of this?

I would urge people to avoid Bet365 tennis betting like the plague due to this.

First came across this last year at Wimbledon. Last leg of a 4 fold, my lad was 2 sets to 1 up and 3-0 up in 4th set when his opponent retired. My lad was 2/1 underdog, but that leg was settled as Void. My return was 150 instead of 450 if the other fecker hadn’t thrown the towel in!

I think that was with BV. Very annoying and I had no idea that was the rule, but when I checked the rules it was there alright. And me being me, it felt much more like a 300 loss rather than a 150 win!

I suppose it can save accas too, if it’s your pick that retires when he’s near beaten.

Tomw86 · 11-04-2019 10:36am

The Rooster wrote: »

First came across this last year at Wimbledon. Last leg of a 4 fold, my lad was 2 sets to 1 up and 3-0 up in 4th set when his opponent retired. My lad was 2/1 underdog, but that leg was settled as Void. My return was 150 instead of 450 if the other fecker hadn’t thrown the towel in!

I think that was with BV. Very annoying and I had no idea that was the rule, but when I checked the rules it was there alright. And me being me, it felt much more like a 300 loss rather than a 150 win!

I suppose it can save accas too, if it’s your pick that retires when he’s near beaten.

Yeah can work both ways too I suppose.

Cost me 40 quid yesterday as my lad was 1 set up and 3-0 up in a 3 set match.

It is definitely in the T&C's for tennis betting, but it is inconsistent with all other sports where if your player (esp relating to golf) retires you do not get a refund and if in matchplay you would get awarded the win.

Lesson learnt I suppose.

The Rooster · 11-04-2019 2:38pm

Tomw86 wrote: »

Yeah can work both ways too I suppose.

Cost me 40 quid yesterday as my lad was 1 set up and 3-0 up in a 3 set match.

It is definitely in the T&C's for tennis betting, but it is inconsistent with all other sports where if your player (esp relating to golf) retires you do not get a refund and if in matchplay you would get awarded the win.

Lesson learnt I suppose.

Presumably there is some logic to it, but can't say I understand it!

Must lead to the odd temptation for a lad to say he's injured when he's on the verge of defeat if he knows he has mates who put on a lot of wedge on him to win!

3DataModem · 11-04-2019 3:18pm

Tomw86 wrote: »

Yeah can work both ways too I suppose.

It is definitely in the T&C's for tennis betting,.

Because tennis is absolutely full of cheating... it is the sport that the gambling business trusts the least.

If you are losing a match you can retire to void bets rather than take the loss and crystallise the bet. It is also very hard to detect cheating / fixing.

Even at the high levels, there have been cases where friendly players have ensured matches finish in 2 sets rather than three (i.e. the loser of the first agrees to throw the second), which gives the winner more rest and recuperation time and less injury chance for the next round.

Certain tennis-playing sisters used to be accused of this early in their career.

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