Discovery 2x14 'Such Sweet Sorrow Part 2' [Spoilers Within]

Anyone look at the leak photo's for this episode?

Do they spoil anything? Hesitant to look myself.

I was thinking about this last night and thinking about how someone said they hope Discovery is not sent 900 hundred years into the future as a universe with no life would make for a very boring series and I agree but what if its not 900 hundred yeas but maybe 700 hundred or 800 hundred yeas into the future it is sent and its sent there to stop all life being destroyed and the crew spend the rest of their journeys and life in that time. Discovery we see in the short Trek is it after the crew have all died after being to the future and saving all life. I know could be a bit far fetched but just a thought I had.

The idea of Leland going back in time do is a good one and could certainly contribute to the start of the Borg.

Is this Discovery's first two part of season two? How many two part episodes to season one was there?

Im really looking forward to it -

I suspect Mudd will be in it unfortunately - his short trek hasnt been referenced so he is due - probably the cliffhanger

As to Leiland/Borg etc - i cant see it happening

I agree with pixelburp that this season has been hit and miss - some amazing episodes but usually followed up with some terrible ones - Really hope the finale is the former

What i have noticed across the Web is that opinion is very divisive and polarizing - For example i hate the 'Disco-Haters' - people who just hate this show for the sake of it, or deny that it is 'Real Star Trek' - complaining constantly about 'canon issues', usually aesthetic ones which dont really matter IMHO

However it seems that genuine honest criticism tends to get regular fans labeled as 'Haters' - its very polarized - Last weeks in particular -

We just have to wait - here's hoping its an epic

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Right there with you. We'd disagree on last week's episode, and I really enjoyed the season overall, but you made your points well.

The internet just tends to filter out moderate voices. Extreme views get more clicks, more reactions, more shares. Far from being representative of our collective voices, it's massively skewed towards the few, noisiest.

I appreciate your words

What i find is the polarization is pretty intense surrounding the show, and 'haters' seem to latch on to everything they can - The Talosians didnt look Talosian - lol.. ridiculous nitpicking for probably the best episode of the show so far

But again, some of the episodes, (last weeks for me in particular), they dont do the show any favors and just give the 'haters' fuel to use attacking Discovery.

Which in turn polarizes Trekkie die hards into attacking the moderate fan who loves trek, but finds fault in episodes! It wasnt always this polarizing

I remember having an argument with a trekkie about Enterprise 'Silent Enemy' and whether the unnamed Aliens are related to the ones from TNGs 'Times Arrow' - and of course arguing about enterprise being not altogether what it should have been - but we never accused each other of being 'haters'! lol

That was wrapped up neatly and tied off with a bow!! No need for a third season I would have thought?

Just watched it - a Decent Episode - not the best of the Season - Overall Season was Weak in my mind

Signals/Red Angel - Yea it all added up in the end so, happy about that

I would like to know though - WHY did they start making the suit this week??? Would that not have been a better activity to undertake last week, you know, instead of all the goodbyes and discussions about love and JUST HOW AWESOME Burnham is?

Control/AI/Leland - Im disappointed by the lack of even a wink in the direction of the Borg - It seemed WAY WAY too close for comfort, and sadly i think i called it a while ago - The writers were in fact winding us up

Discovery's Faith - Interesting - didnt expect the Reboot that we got but all the same it will be interesting - As an Aside we know that Georgiouwill return for the S31 Show, which does suggest disco might return to the 23rd century, does it not?

Spock - Well there you go! lol

Pike - I would normally exclaim 'PROMOTE THAT MAN' but that could be bad news for him so lets not do that

OVERALL SEASON

Despite some amazing outings, i think it was overall a weak one for me - certainly weaker than season one - This weeks was decent, which for me only amplifies the question as to what happened with last weeks story - they could easily have had some of this weeks plot Placed in last weeks episode to bulk up on its incredibly weak plot

But that kinda sums up the season as a whole for me - 4-5 GREAT EPISODES (one in particular was epic) mixed in with moderate and sometimes dull stories

Im happy that it worked out - and i am MORE THAN curious of where things go from here - Disco in the 32nd Century? Disco Returns? will certainly be interesting to see what happens -

Given our knowledge that Pike is gone, i am annoyed we wont get a season with enterprise, pike, spock, and Number one -

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Honestly never got that at all. Not once. One is a full artificial intelligence, the other is a hive mind of intelligent augmented carbon beings.

I think there was far too much 'Borg-Like' stuff for us not to conclude that it was linked to them

Dialogue - From 'Struggle is pointless' - to the ships being controlled by 'Drones' with no life signs

Technology - Leland was assimilated by Nano probes - as was the other guy, leading us down the road of an AI controlled decentralized Hive Mind

Artificial intelligence - i will watch Q - Who later but i immediately remember the line of dialogue when they discovered Borg Babies in maturation Chambers

'What Riker finds astounding is that the Borg have developed the technology to link artificial intelligence directly into the humanoid brain. ' from memory Alpha

Borg Origin - Guinan explained the origin of the Collective in terms of it being 'Made up of Biological and artificial life that has been evolving for centuries' -

It is really simple for me to see how people thought it was the Borg - and if Fans thought of it then so did the writers -

That said im not going to complain it wasnt a bad episode - i enjoyed it, if not the season as a whole

CastorTroy wrote: »

I thought the torpedo would lead to the cause of Pike's injuries

We know the cause of his injuries in the future, from TOS 'The Menagerie' and from the preview when he touched the Time Crystal.




Wasted opportunity to hint at a possible 'Borg' Origin story.

Killing Leland (cutting head of control off).

Looks like they are bowing to fan pressure to have Season 3 in the future.

Section 31 as known organization in this time-frame left unresolved.

Have another re-watch of this episode this afternoon.

Well, that was pretty much as expected...

- confusing spinning cameras and CGI overload to mask the disjointed mess that was the big battle scene. All that was missing was a Optimus Prime voice over and it could have been a Michael Bay movie

- despite this, there's numerous time outs for relationship drama with Stamets and Culver, Mikey and Spock, Pike and the Admiral

- Tilly gets to be irritating in every scene she's in.. Check!

- Stupid fist fights with Leland.. Why - besides yet another Michelle does Kung Fu scene. Why did he not just assimilate her or whatever?

- 10/15 minutes later they're still working on the torpedo that was supposed to detonate long beforehand but it gives Admiral idiocy a chance for a heroic death and another deep moment with Pike - who just stands there as the torpedo explodes in his face

- and in the end, despite the misdirection with Burnham's mother, Mikey is indeed the Red Angel and the source of everything this season and saviour of the universe :rolleyes: We get an Interstellar style sequence and flashback montages. She's also Spock's saviour and heart too of course! Oh, and she sets up what will be the relationship between him, Kirk and McCoy - isn't she just the bestest! :rolleyes:

Then we finally get to the Canon clean ups that were promised and again its a cop out...

- Discovery, its crew, and Mikey Burnham all removed from the timeline

- Tyler becomes head of a revamped Section 31 that will bring it in line with what we know

But the most ridiculous part?? Well we just won't talk about Burnham, Discovery, spore drives, red angels or anything connected with the last 2 seasons of this show.. Grand so!

And with that this mess draws to a close... Or it would if they hadn't allegedly green lit a third season. Wtf will that be about? Even the end credits music suggests it's done.

I'm torn. The episode itself was mostly nonsense as expected but if its all actually over I can live with it.

Spear wrote: »

If I didn't know there was already a season 3 being worked on, I'd swear I'd just seen a series finale, not a season finale, and one that seemed to fairly explicitly hand-off to a separate Pike based show....

^ +100 - I'm stoked for the new Pike/Spock show!

Meh episode at best, I'm sorry to have to say.
How could a huge space battle with excellent graphics actually be boring ? - quite an achievement in its own way .... :mad:
Did we really need to see each of the signals being created?
Fairly meh season overall too with a few good moments

Temporal Prime Directive

Regulation 157, Section 3, Paragraph 18: Starfleet officers shall take all necessary precautions to minimize any participation in historical events.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Temporal_Prime_Directive
https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/Temporal_Prime_Directive


Also the method used to to activate the time crystal from the prior suggested that only one trip was possible before it failed, yet Micheal was able to make multiple jumps to the past.