Transfers for next season (including transfer rumours!)

jacothelad · 26-03-2011 2:54pm

kevin99 wrote: »

Who are you to tell me not to post again on this thread?

RuggieBear wrote: »

I'm the Moderator for this forum. Banned.

I shouldn't laugh - but I can't help myself. Brilliant stuff.:D:D:D:D:D

razorblunt · 26-03-2011 3:14pm

jacothelad wrote: »

I shouldn't laugh - but I can't help myself. Brilliant stuff.:D:D:D:D:D

Ha ha - quickly to the facepalm image library!

durkadurka · 26-03-2011 4:09pm

"We are the united states navy! Turn to starboard!"

"We are a lighthouse. It's your call."

durkadurka · 26-03-2011 4:13pm

GerM wrote: »

Mercenary.

Journeyman

RuggieBear · 26-03-2011 4:14pm

gentlemen, back on topic please.

TheRevolution · 26-03-2011 6:38pm

kevin99 wrote: »

And why would any one here quote you on anything? You are not an official representative from any rugby club. You're contributions here are merely speculative.
Don't worry. I won't be quoting some anonymous contributor to anybody.
I mean who knows you?
In the bar later, I say hey guys. Huddle round me. Got some latest transfer news on the rugger front. Very reliable source too. Porterbelly says x,y and z.
Wow. Well if he has said it, it must be true. Sure he is a mine of information.
Pssst. don't quote me on it. Cos Porterbelly in his contribution to the rugby section of Boards.ie asked us all not to quote him.
Really, yea really. God that guy has his finger on the pulse. Or is it a woman?
Don't know. Just has great sources. But don't quote me on that.

kevin99 wrote: »

I'm led to believe that tomorrow is Saturday, deffo is. Don't quote me on it though.

kevin99 wrote: »

Well why are you asking us not to quote you then?

RuggieBear wrote: »

kevin99, Do not post again on this thread.
Everyone else, back on topic

kevin99 wrote: »

Who are you to tell me not to post again on this thread?

RuggieBear wrote: »

I'm the Moderator for this forum. Banned.

On Topic.... I heard a rumour that Felix Jones is coming back to Leinster. Forcibly if required.

Amazotheamazing · 26-03-2011 7:03pm

TheRevolution wrote: »

On Topic.... I heard a rumour that Felix Jones is coming back to Leinster. Forcibly if required.

Jones signed a new contract in Feb, iirc, so any return to Leinster is at least a season off. Can see why Leinster would want him though, Fitz didn't impress at fullback and Kearney's injury has really ruined his season.

wixfjord · 26-03-2011 7:09pm

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

Jones signed a new contract in Feb, iirc, so any return to Leinster is at least a season off. Can see why Leinster would want him though, Fitz didn't impress at fullback and Kearney's injury has really ruined his season.

Hmmm, think he was joking, but do you really think Leinster would want Jones back?
Best FB in the NH currently in Nacewa, formally one of the best in Kearney who has barely kicked a ball in anger under Joe, and Fitz, who was thrown into FB after a huge injury. Plus Niall Morris, who I think will be a fantastic player, and Madigan, who is more of a FB than an FH.

Don't think we really need him, even it was on the cards.

Amazotheamazing · 26-03-2011 7:17pm

wixfjord wrote: »

Hmmm, think he was joking, but do you really think Leinster would want Jones back?
Best FB in the NH currently in Nacewa, formally one of the best in Kearney who has barely kicked a ball in anger under Joe, and Fitz, who was thrown into FB after a huge injury. Plus Niall Morris, who I think will be a fantastic player, and Madigan, who is more of a FB than an FH.

Don't think we really need him, even it was on the cards.

Every team needs good players, we didn't really need cronin but it'd have been nice to sign him. Jones could be very well suited to the new interpretations, something Kearney may not be. Fitz will bounce back but will it be as a fullback?

Nacewa is class alright, and guys like Madigan and Conway could be class, but you can still see why Leinster would want to recall Jones. He's fast, big, good under the high ball, he's what you want in a fullback. He's also injury prone and completely unproven but the potential is there.

As a fullback, which of these do rate highest for potential, Jones, Madigan and Conway? I'd say Conway's more likely to make it as a winger and I see Madigan as a utility back, good enough at a few positions but not great at any. On the otherhand, Jones, potential-wise, is the most complete of the three, imo.

jolley123 · 26-03-2011 7:42pm

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

As a fullback, which of these do rate highest for potential, Jones, Madigan and Conway? I'd say Conway's more likely to make it as a winger and I see Madigan as a utility back, good enough at a few positions but not great at any. On the otherhand, Jones, potential-wise, is the most complete of the three, imo.

Jones is the the best FULL-BACK out of those names, but when you add Kearney and Isa to the list, then he sits at third. Leinster simply do not need Felix Jones, and probably never will.

Plus, if you were to judge on this season, I'd rather have Niall Morris tbh. Jones has played very little rugby this year, so he still has to prove himself. Whereas in the games Morris has played, he's been great.

wixfjord · 26-03-2011 8:13pm

You're not nearly comparing like with like if you look at Jones, Madigan and Conway, so no need to compare them really.
Conway is a winger, don't think Madigan has played at FB for Leinster yet (bar a few sub appearances), plus both are 4 and 2 years younger respectively!

No way do Leinster need or want Jones, and rightly so!
Though he could turn good for Munster.

Also the poster is correct about Morris. Looks a real prospect, great athlete, very quick and a huge boot.

Anyway, this is all based on a fabricated rumour!

durkadurka · 26-03-2011 8:25pm

I worry about Morris. He's too far down the pecking order for someone of his ability . Mightn't stick around.

jolley123 · 26-03-2011 9:07pm

durkadurka wrote: »

I worry about Morris. He's too far down the pecking order for someone of his ability . Mightn't stick around.

Either him or Keating should seek other options. They have tons of potential.

profitius · 27-03-2011 12:01am

durkadurka wrote: »

I worry about Morris. He's too far down the pecking order for someone of his ability . Mightn't stick around.

Thats a problem Leinster will have to deal with more and more in the coming years especially as the average age of the squad keeps lowering.

bamboozle · 28-03-2011 8:39am

durkadurka wrote: »

I worry about Morris. He's too far down the pecking order for someone of his ability . Mightn't stick around.

Niall Morris has signed a 2 year deal with Leicester, Stan Wright has signed a 3 year deal with Stade Francais.

durkadurka · 28-03-2011 8:56am

durkadurka wrote: »

I worry about Morris. He's too far down the pecking order for someone of his ability . Mightn't stick around.

Prediction of the week. You're welcome!

thomond2006 · 28-03-2011 10:07am

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12546_6838541,00.html

Quins signing a tighthead, wonder if this means Andress will be on the move?

little173 · 28-03-2011 10:18am

wixfjord wrote: »

Hmmm, think he was joking, but do you really think Leinster would want Jones back?
Best FB in the NH currently in Nacewa, formally one of the best in Kearney who has barely kicked a ball in anger under Joe, and Fitz, who was thrown into FB after a huge injury. Plus Niall Morris, who I think will be a fantastic player, and Madigan, who is more of a FB than an FH.

Don't think we really need him, even it was on the cards.

Think you are joking there! - Masi has just been voted player of the six nations, Foden is considerably better, as is Byrne, and that doesnt even take account of the 4 or 5 that you could pick from Top 14.

GerM · 28-03-2011 10:29am

little173 wrote: »

Think you are joking there! - Masi has just been voted player of the six nations, Foden is considerably better, as is Byrne, and that doesnt even take account of the 4 or 5 that you could pick from Top 14.

Masi isn't a full back and only played there in the 6N. He's a centre by trade. The player of the 6N accolade means nothing as it's a public vote and is commonly rigged by any group of motivated fans hence Irish players winning the award more often than any over the past 10 years. Foden is hot and cold. He is great going forward with the ball in hand but there are question marks around his defence. Byrne has had a mediocre season and is nowhere near the player he was 2 years ago. There are certainly some contenders in the T14 but I doubt you'd find too many people arguing that Nacewa isn't right up there. His form this season has been nothing short of exceptional. He has been the best player on the pitch repeatedly.

irishbucsfan · 28-03-2011 12:28pm

Nacewa is definitely top 3 at the moment. The only players I'd put on the same level as him would be one of the Frenchies.

Don't see how Masi winning the 6N award has anything to do with him being better than Nacewa!!

thomond2006 · 28-03-2011 12:37pm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugby_union/12880413.stm

Ospreys sign Dragons' backrower Joe Bearman on a two year deal. They are obviously looking at having very good cover during the World Cup, where Thomas, Jones and maybe Tipuric will be gone.

GerM · 28-03-2011 12:43pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugby_union/12880413.stm

Ospreys sign Dragons' backrower Joe Bearman on a two year deal. They are obviously looking at having very good cover during the World Cup, where Thomas, Jones and maybe Tipuric will be gone.

That's a good signing for them. Bearman is a very solid player; excellent ball carrier. The Ospreys needed a signing like that as it appears they're also set to lose Collins and Holah this summer. Looks like they're trimming their wage bill a bit.

bamboozle · 28-03-2011 12:56pm

GerM wrote: »

That's a good signing for them. Bearman is a very solid player; excellent ball carrier. The Ospreys needed a signing like that as it appears they're also set to lose Collins and Holah this summer. Looks like they're trimming their wage bill a bit.

hope the welsh teams are not weakened too much, the last thing the magners league needs ot 3 irish provinces in the top 4 every season.

thomond2006 · 28-03-2011 1:00pm

GerM wrote: »

That's a good signing for them. Bearman is a very solid player; excellent ball carrier. The Ospreys needed a signing like that as it appears they're also set to lose Collins and Holah this summer. Looks like they're trimming their wage bill a bit.

I think Holah may be retiring alright, didn't know Collins was out of contract.

liam12989 · 28-03-2011 1:28pm

what is the story with cory Jane and ulster?
I dont undertsand why a few of the leinster lads arent bursting to get to connacht.cant they see what beneifts it had for cronin keatly etc...

GerM · 28-03-2011 1:50pm

liam12989 wrote: »

what is the story with cory Jane and ulster?
I dont undertsand why a few of the leinster lads arent bursting to get to connacht.cant they see what beneifts it had for cronin keatly etc...

They can also see what has happened to Willis, Monahan, Fanning etc. Lads who have gone there in the past season or two and it hasn't clicked for them. You need to be able to stand out at Connacht or you can disappear. I'm sure some would be mindful of that and consider a move to the Premiership where the potential rewards are bigger ahead of going west.

ambid · 28-03-2011 1:57pm

GerM wrote: »

That's a good signing for them. Bearman is a very solid player; excellent ball carrier. The Ospreys needed a signing like that as it appears they're also set to lose Collins and Holah this summer. Looks like they're trimming their wage bill a bit.

I wouldn't be surprised. Their attendances have fallen this year despite being champsions, and still no European run this season.

profitius · 28-03-2011 2:06pm

GerM wrote: »

They can also see what has happened to Willis, Monahan, Fanning etc. Lads who have gone there in the past season or two and it hasn't clicked for them. You need to be able to stand out at Connacht or you can disappear. I'm sure some would be mindful of that and consider a move to the Premiership where the potential rewards are bigger ahead of going west.

Connacht was still the best place to go. If Willis, Monahan and Fanning can't make it in Connacht then they've no chance at Leinster. And not forgetting that Connacht have a small squad.

28-03-2011 2:08pm

Leinster confirm Hagan.
Also reveal the

signing of Natal Sharks second row Steven Sykes

and

Canterbury Crusaders out-half Matt Berquist

Don't know much about either of them tbh...

porterbelly · 28-03-2011 2:19pm

GerM wrote: »

They can also see what has happened to Willis, Monahan, Fanning etc. Lads who have gone there in the past season or two and it hasn't clicked for them. You need to be able to stand out at Connacht or you can disappear. I'm sure some would be mindful of that and consider a move to the Premiership where the potential rewards are bigger ahead of going west.

Fanning, Monahan and Willis were hardly considered to have huge potential. Fanning was playing for St Marys and scored a few tries for them and we gave him a chance. He got a few starts for us and he didn't show much, and certainly didn't show like he had the eye for the line. However, it's his 1st year in a professional environment and he needs time.

Monahan would probably have more potential than Fanning, but he hasn't played much. He's looked very raw when I've seen him and nowhere near the finished article. He's another lad who needs time in a professional environment.

Willis suffered alot of injuries at both Leinster and Ulster, and for someone of his age he's played very little rugby.

The fact is, these lads were not wonderkids when they came here. Connacht can't be expected to make a silk purse out of a sows ear. These lads may turn out to be very good players, but what I'm saying is, for every Sean Cronin or Ian Keatley, there's someone who doesn't make the grade, through no fault of Connacht's. Maybe they're not good enough? Connacht can't be expected to perform miracles with every player that arrives.

little173 · 28-03-2011 2:29pm

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Nacewa is definitely top 3 at the moment. The only players I'd put on the same level as him would be one of the Frenchies.

Don't see how Masi winning the 6N award has anything to do with him being better than Nacewa!!

Again this is in response to the opinion that he is the best full back in the Northern Hempishere which smacks as a lot of Leinster bias. I can accept that the RBS award is not totally fair, I will explain the logic as to why it has something to do with it, that if a Full Back wins the player of the tournament in the six nations, he must be playing pretty well, thats it.

I think Nacewa has been playing well in the ML, esp during the International break, just dont think he is that good a FB, his positional play, kicking and defence are lacking for me and there are better ones around.

28-03-2011 2:35pm

little173 wrote: »

Again this is in response to the opinion that he is the best full back in the Northern Hempishere which smacks as a lot of Leinster bias. I can accept that the RBS award is not totally fair, I will explain the logic as to why it has something to do with it, that if a Full Back wins the player of the tournament in the six nations, he must be playing pretty well, thats it.

I think Nacewa has been playing well in the ML, esp during the International break, just dont think he is that good a FB, his positional play, kicking and defence are lacking for me and there are better ones around.

examples would be nice.

Can't think of many who'd hold a candle to his consistency tbh.

little173 · 28-03-2011 2:35pm

profitius wrote: »

Connacht was still the best place to go. If Willis, Monahan and Fanning can't make it in Connacht then they've no chance at Leinster. And not forgetting that Connacht have a small squad.

I think the moving on of players back to the stronger provinces from Connacht - keatley, Hagan, poss Cronin will help this that players can see a route back if they perform. Maybe the perception was that you could be lost there if you are a young and emerging player who cannot get into the Leins/Munst 1XV. It is unfortunate for Connacht but may actually attract some young stars there, esp if there is HC on offer.

GerM · 28-03-2011 2:41pm

porterbelly wrote: »

The fact is, these lads were not wonderkids when they came here. Connacht can't be expected to make a silk purse out of a sows ear. These lads may turn out to be very good players, but what I'm saying is, for every Sean Cronin or Ian Keatley, there's someone who doesn't make the grade, through no fault of Connacht's. Maybe they're not good enough? Connacht can't be expected to perform miracles with every player that arrives.

I have to agree with the majority of what you say. The point I was making was that if a player needs to be brought along and play alongside some experienced, high quality players to improve, they possibly won't get that at Connacht. It's a sink or swim sort of place where people like Cronin and Hagan were able to stand up and be counted. For example, I don't think someone like O'Malley would have stood out in Connacht. Eoin Reddan and Jerry Flannery weren't massively impressive during their stints there. A young player or late bloomer who needs to be brought along might look at it and look at somewhere like Leicester and think they'd be better off in England for their own development. Look at Tonetti, who chose Sale ahead of Connacht last summer. He's now a regular enough starter for them and probably on a nice salary too whilst playing alongside several international stars with a couple of Lions in the backs next to him.

It's not meant to be a sleight on Connacht; the fact is they've a tough enough time due to lack of funding and losing players already so it's near impossible to expect them to be able to massively develop players careers every time.

TheRevolution · 28-03-2011 2:46pm

LEINSTER SO FAR

OUT :
Clint Newland
Trevor Hogan
Stan Wright
Nathan Hines
Niall Morris
Ben Prescott
Ronan McCormack
John Fogarty

IN:
Sean Cronin
Steven Sykes
Jamie Hagan
Matt Berquiest

Am I missing anyone?

GerM · 28-03-2011 2:50pm

TheRevolution wrote: »

LEINSTER SO FAR

OUT :
Clint Newland
Trevor Hogan
Stan Wright
Nathan Hines
Niall Morris
Ben Prescott
Ronan McCormack

IN:
Sean Cronin
Steven Sykes
Jamie Hagan
Matt Berquiest

Am I missing anyone?

John Fogarty.

thomond2006 · 28-03-2011 2:52pm

TheRevolution wrote: »

LEINSTER SO FAR

OUT :
Clint Newland
Trevor Hogan
Stan Wright
Nathan Hines
Niall Morris
Ben Prescott
Ronan McCormack

IN:
Sean Cronin
Steven Sykes
Jamie Hagan
Matt Berquiest

Am I missing anyone?

John Fogarty retired in September/October.

bonnieprince · 28-03-2011 2:53pm

Three new leinster signings...

http://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/leinster-announce-three-new-signings-498986.html

New Leinster signing, entry in wikipedia, funny stuff

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Sykes

thomond2006 · 28-03-2011 4:48pm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugby_union/my_club/edinburgh/9438823.stm

Scott MacLeod leaving Edinburgh for Japan.

eoferrall · 28-03-2011 5:56pm

bonnieprince wrote: »

Three new leinster signings...

http://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/leinster-announce-three-new-signings-498986.html

New Leinster signing, entry in wikipedia, funny stuff

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Sykes

Whats funny about the wiki page?

durkadurka · 28-03-2011 6:09pm

eoferrall wrote: »

Whats funny about the wiki page?

The good people at balls.ie captured it. Quite funny.

http://www.balls.ie/2011/03/28/munster-fans-plunder-steven-sykess-wikipedia-page/sykes/

lologram · 28-03-2011 6:16pm

http://www.connachtrugby.ie/2011032882453/maguire-to-join-connacht-ranks

Maguire joining Connacht was always going to happen eventually!

CouchSmart · 28-03-2011 6:22pm

lologram wrote: »

http://www.connachtrugby.ie/2011032882453/maguire-to-join-connacht-ranks

Maguire joining Connacht was always going to happen eventually!

Good signing for Connacht, the man is a monster.

porterbelly · 28-03-2011 6:38pm

CouchSmart wrote: »

Good signing for Connacht, the man is a monster.

If we get his conditioning up to scratch we'll have a serious prospect. No doubt about his scrummaging, it's his fitness I'd be worried about. We need Rodney Ah You and Maguire fully match fit and be 80 minute props.

28-03-2011 6:41pm

Yeah I'd be concerned about his ability to last 80 alright, he can scrummage, he can ruck, he can lift, but I don't think he's got 80 big minutes in him.

Playing week in week out should change that. Good business I think.

thomond2006 · 28-03-2011 7:18pm

http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,3825_6839446,00.html

The signing of Stowers and Bearman may be due in part to the retirement of 24 year old Ben Lewis due to a serious neck injury. Very sad to see someone forced to hang up their boots so young. Best of luck to him in whatever he does in the future.

TheRevolution · 28-03-2011 7:22pm

LEINSTER SO FAR

OUT :
Clint Newland
Trevor Hogan
Stan Wright
Nathan Hines
Niall Morris
Ben Prescott
Ronan McCormack
John Fogarty
Stewart Maguire *

IN:
Sean Cronin
Steven Sykes
Jamie Hagan
Matt Berquiest

Who would of thought that Leinster would be getting rid of 5 props at the end of the season considering the situation at start of the season?

danthefan · 28-03-2011 7:25pm

What situation?

And Newland and Prescott were both brought in this season as well as left this season. McCormack had barely played in years.

CouchSmart · 28-03-2011 7:32pm

Not too happy losing Maguire. He's obviously not the finished article yet but we're pretty light on props now for next season. I assume Shawe must be getting kept now as I can't see; Healy, Heinke, Ross, Hagan and McGrath being enough.

thomond2006 · 28-03-2011 11:39pm

Sivivatu is moving to Clermont on a two year deal.

Transfers for next season (including transfer rumours!)

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