About them vegans lads

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

It would already have collapsed if it wasn't massively subsidised. Not that I want it to but that is fact.

Yes, farming is subsidised but probably less than any other sector in the wider Irish economy. But it's open and transparent and so makes it an easy target.

So let's look at the other subsidies that aren't transparent but readily accepted as a 'right'. Sick pay, sick leave, holiday pay, holiday leave, minimum wages, dole, paternity leave, maternity leave, maternity pay etc etc etc. They're all, in effect, subsidies as they are an indirect benefit to those in receipt. And they're just the ones I thought of in two minutes.

So I have no problem in not receiving any subsidies, my goods are sold at world market prices though I have to pay first world prices for my inputs and have first world restrictions on what inputs I can use. But let's see the level of support there is for the banning of ALL subsidies first.

As the old saying goes, you never know who's swimming naked till the tide goes out:pac:

dont bother wrote: »

well instead of farmers moaning about vegans not eating their produce, why arent farmers banding together to protest their right to grow cannabis?


my thought is that they (the farmers) should stop giving out about more people becoming vegan, and focus on their own plan to increase their own incomes. it's similar to the dole heads, why should everyone else have to worry about how much money farmers are making or not making.

Because the agri-food sector of the economy is incredibly important and has huge ripple effects on people indirectly employed because of it. We've spent the last few years in this country making it impossible for small landlords for the sake of large corporate housing interests and we can see how that's going, I'd like to see small private farms continue to exist. Most people who farm come from generations of farmers, it's not just a job, it's a deeply felt identity. You'd need to be fcuking mad to get into farming for the profit, or to get "money for nothing". It's hard, dangerous, often lonely work.

As for cannabis and why don't they just grow vegan food, have you not noticed that huge amounts of this country consist of rain pissing down on rocks? You'll not get much primo bud and avocados out of that hai. My dad grows vegetables in his garden at home, I spent countless hours as a kid picking stones out of that ground and it's somehow still like 80% stones.

Jamari Defeated Plantation wrote: »

Because the agri-food sector of the economy is incredibly important and has huge ripple effects on people indirectly employed because of it. We've spent the last few years in this country making it impossible for small landlords for the sake of large corporate housing interests and we can see how that's going, I'd like too see small private farms continue to exist. Most people who farm come from generations of farmers, it's not just a job, it's a deeply felt identity. You'd need to be fcuking mad to get into farming for the profit, or to get "money for nothing". It's hard, dangerous, often lonely work.

As for cannabis and why don't they just grow vegan food, have you not noticed that huge amounts of this country consist of rain pissing down on rocks? You'll not get much primo bud and avocados out of that hai. My dad grows vegetables in his garden at home, I spent countless hours as a kid picking stones out of that ground and it's somehow still like 80% stones.

#characterbuilding:)

Jamari Defeated Plantation wrote: »

Because the agri-food sector of the economy is incredibly important and has huge ripple effects on people indirectly employed because of it. We've spent the last few years in this country making it impossible for small landlords for the sake of large corporate housing interests and we can see how that's going, I'd like too see small private farms continue to exist. Most people who farm come from generations of farmers, it's not just a job, it's a deeply felt identity. You'd need to be fcuking mad to get into farming for the profit, or to get "money for nothing". It's hard, dangerous, often lonely work.

As for cannabis and why don't they just grow vegan food, have you not noticed that huge amounts of this country consist of rain pissing down on rocks? You'll not get much primo bud and avocados out of that hai. My dad grows vegetables in his garden at home, I spent countless hours as a kid picking stones out of that ground and it's somehow still like 80% stones.

eh, go buy the necessary equipment to grow it indoors in a barn? you know, actually come up with some solutions instead of moaning about how bad they have it and never doing anything proactive to change their situation? the world has moved on, and like you, i wouldnt like to see small family farms like that being fvcked over, BUT, farmers need to move along with the rest of the world too - they can not expect people to change back to "the way things were" that is never going to work out.

i agree with you, but i just dont understand why, even at the mere suggestion of something alternative, it's shot down and rubbished in a nanosecond. farmers need to change their mindset, they need to stop being so anti-urban and so against change. Yes it's traditional etc, and a way of life, and i get that, but they need to bring down their walls a bit and let themselves into the modern way of things a bit too...

it's not as cut and dry as "we need to get people eating as much meat as possible or we're fvcked" - like there are alternatives that could rake in cash, and keep these small farms from going under, but it's just that it seems to be a lot of stubborness in the way of progressing themselves into a more lucrative, modern and sustainable way to farm and live.

gozunda wrote: »

Yes that's hemp. It does not produce the active ingredient contained in cannabis. To find out why at least read the thread detailed above.

eh its the same plant.
look Gozunda, you are only here to make a meal out of the slightest difference of opinions, whether it's vegans, lgbt, housing, whatever it is you will always be there to make sure that your differing opinion on the thread is the loudest.
there is no debating with you. you are too set in your ways to have a logical discussion with on any subject.

cannabis is grown here very successfully. there's tonnes of the stuff on every corner and most of it is grown in ireland. can you not understand the idea of maybe not trying to grow it outdoors in a rainy cold irish field? do farms not have indoor spaces like barns? do farmers not have a way to buy the UV lights required to grow? do farmers not want to join in the fight to try and legalise the plant so that they CAN grow it? are you that afraid of "the law" that you just shut down the idea completely because as you said and simply put "it's illegal, thats a non starter".

gozunda wrote: »

No hemp is a variety of plant of that family - usually Cannabis sativa and contains little or no active cannabis active ingredient - tetrahydrocannabinol.


The plant strains used for 'dope' require high levels of heat and light to produce this active ingredient. These strains do not grow commercially outdoor in Irish conditions

Go read the thread detailed - its all in there - no point repeating what has already been discussed there in detail tbh

See:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_strains

http://www.hemptrade.ca/eguide/background/the-hemp-plant

STOP BELIEVING THINGS YOU READ ON THE INTERNET and taking it as true!?!?!

what about growing it indoors?
There is THC in "hemp" it's still the Cannabis plant.
what you have read on some thread on boards is not correct.

why cant you get behind the movement to have it legalise to allow farmers to make profits and grow it INDOORS in their farms with the necessary light and heat? WELL!?

Growing cannabis inside on any kind of scale will require significant investment and labour up front and it's pretty tricky to get right at the start, as many of us might have an idea of. Going from raising cattle to growing weed isn't like switching from being on the till to the shop floor either like.

Presumably in the next twenty years there will be legal weed farms in Ireland but I can't see it being any large scale solution. It'll also realistically involve a good deal of subsidisation at the start.

The mental image of the Teagasc seminars is pretty entertaining though I must say...