Deebles McBeebles wrote: » It would already have collapsed if it wasn't massively subsidised. Not that I want it to but that is fact.
jimgoose wrote: » Also and as well, you should try to keep "in" with fellas who own tractors and diggers and things, as well as acres and acres of land in which a buried body might never be found. Just sayin'.
dont bother wrote: » well instead of farmers moaning about vegans not eating their produce, why arent farmers banding together to protest their right to grow cannabis? my thought is that they (the farmers) should stop giving out about more people becoming vegan, and focus on their own plan to increase their own incomes. it's similar to the dole heads, why should everyone else have to worry about how much money farmers are making or not making.
gozunda wrote: » Lol. Seriously. You are a cannabis growing expert? Really. Theres a very good discussion over in F&F about that very subject including exactly why our climate Is NOT suitable. But yes it is illegal and smoking it is bad for your health. Why the fuk would anyone demand something which a) is illegal b) is not suitable for Irish growing conditions and c) is bad for you. All so some can spend their time stoned out of their tiny minds? Nope not a starter.
Jamari Defeated Plantation wrote: » Because the agri-food sector of the economy is incredibly important and has huge ripple effects on people indirectly employed because of it. We've spent the last few years in this country making it impossible for small landlords for the sake of large corporate housing interests and we can see how that's going, I'd like too see small private farms continue to exist. Most people who farm come from generations of farmers, it's not just a job, it's a deeply felt identity. You'd need to be fcuking mad to get into farming for the profit, or to get "money for nothing". It's hard, dangerous, often lonely work. As for cannabis and why don't they just grow vegan food, have you not noticed that huge amounts of this country consist of rain pissing down on rocks? You'll not get much primo bud and avocados out of that hai. My dad grows vegetables in his garden at home, I spent countless hours as a kid picking stones out of that ground and it's somehow still like 80% stones.
gozunda wrote: » You saying you advocate smoking dope? Lol. about right. You do know it's bad for you and causes mental Impairment Anyway back to the topic What do you think of the topic?
Buford T. Justice VI wrote: » #characterbuilding:)
dont bother wrote: » why cant you understand that everything you say is ONLY your opinion? (and most of the time you have proven to be in the wrong with your opinion on topics). there are plenty of ways to grow cannabis in ireland. it is not bad for your health if vaped or consumed in edible format and for people like you who have issues controlling their level of calm - i think you could use a bit of it.eh... demand that it is made legal and let it be grown in this country. what is wrong with you!?! you've devolved into the joke of most threads.
gozunda wrote: » You do know growing cannabis is illegal and smoking it is bad for your health? And the fact that our climate is not suitable for growing same?
Buford T. Justice VI wrote: » Yes, farming is subsidised but probably less than any other sector in the wider Irish economy. But it's open and transparent and so makes it an easy target. So let's look at the other subsidies that aren't transparent but readily accepted as a 'right'. Sick pay, sick leave, holiday pay, holiday leave, minimum wages, dole, paternity leave, maternity leave, maternity pay etc etc etc. They're all, in effect, subsidies as they are an indirect benefit to those in receipt. And they're just the ones I thought of in two minutes. So I have no problem in not receiving any subsidies, my goods are sold at world market prices though I have to pay first world prices for my inputs and have first world restrictions on what inputs I can use. But let's see the level of support there is for the banning of ALL subsidies first. As the old saying goes, you never know who's swimming naked till the tide goes out:pac:
Deebles McBeebles wrote: » We already grow it herehttps://www.thatsfarming.com/news/hemp-farming-details
gozunda wrote: » Yes that's hemp. It does not produce the active ingredient contained in cannabis. To find out why at least read the thread detailed above.
Jamari Defeated Plantation wrote: » I swear there are more stones than when I started. How?? Do they grow in the ground? Do they breed? Do tiny little vegans sneak in at night and put them there?
Matt Barrett wrote: » They should go back to Vegania. We should be looking after our own first...except dole spongers and people pretending to be homeless and travellers.
Deebles McBeebles wrote: » Its the same plant.
dont bother wrote: » eh its the same plant. look Gozunda, you are only here to make a meal out of the slightest difference of opinions, whether it's vegans, lgbt, housing, whatever it is you will always be there to make sure that your differing opinion on the thread is the loudest. there is no debating with you. you are too set in your ways to have a logical discussion with on any subject. cannabis is grown here very successfully. there's tonnes of the stuff on every corner and most of it is grown in ireland. can you not understand the idea of maybe not trying to grow it outdoors in a rainy cold irish field? do farms not have indoor spaces like barns? do farmers not have a way to buy the UV lights required to grow? do farmers not want to join in the fight to try and legalise the plant so that they CAN grow it? are you that afraid of "the law" that you just shut down the idea completely because as you said and simply put "it's illegal, thats a non starter".
gozunda wrote: » Go read the thread detailed - its all in there - no point repeating what has already been discussed there in detail tbh
gozunda wrote: » No hemp is a variety of plant of that family - usually Cannabis sativa and contains little or no active cannabis active ingredient - tetrahydrocannabinol. The plant strains used for 'dope' require high levels of heat and light to produce this active ingredient. These strains do not grow commercially outdoor in Irish conditions Go read the thread detailed - its all in there - no point repeating what has already been discussed there in detail tbh See:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_strainshttp://www.hemptrade.ca/eguide/background/the-hemp-plant
dont bother wrote: » ah look, you havent a clue at all, have you?
Jamari Defeated Plantation wrote: » During one of those really icy winters about ten years ago a farmer in a tractor gave me and three other cars of people he didn't know a tow up an icy hill in his tractor, took him most of an hour. It was Christmas Eve! My da tried to give him 20 quid to say thanks and he went nuts. I grew up in the country and you can't go a week without something happening to someone that they need a farmer to fix. I don't agree with killing animals to eat but farmers are alright! Very unvegan of me not to gleefully wish financial ruin on them I know!
_Brian wrote: » So the the thrust of the advice from Vegans to farmers is grow an illegal crop which can only be grown with massive expensive indoor equipment. Farmers don’t care about your average vegans. Extremist vegan groups however make a point of going about making a nuisance of themselves and spreading a load of false propaganda about farming in general. I’m not for factory style farming I think it’s a bad step in food production. But proper extensive farming of animals with high welfare standards produces good nutritious food that people need and want. Much of Ireland is useful for nothing but growing lots of good grass which we turn into beef, lamb and dairy products which are among the best in the world in quality, animal welfare and ecological grounds.
