John Hume RIP

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I think this is a little unfair to David Trimble. We have natural tendency, down here, to dismiss or diminish the case for unionism. Trimble took massive risks in his political career, especially when it came to negotiating with Sinn Fein.

Trimble was born on the wrong side of history, he can't be blamed for that, or for the historical intransigence of the Unionist movement. He brought them forward in leaps and bounds into the modern era, and he suffered great antipathy and hostility for having done so. Trimble was not John Hume's equal, in many ways he was an inferior politician, for all his privilege. But in his courage and his political nous, he was at least Hume's equivalent.

Agreed. Plus he ended up hated by all sides, particularly his own who still regard him as a traitor. Gets no credit from Nationalists either. And did jump first

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Was watching UTV news at 6pm and the only guy who couldn't bring himself to acknowledge what JH had achieved was some DUP guy called Gregory Campbell, he said Hume was divisive during the civil rights protests.

What a bitter old man this guy is.

Campell must be actually mentally compromised to say this. Beyond bitter IMO just delusional

Truthvader wrote: »

Campell must be actually mentally compromised to say this. Beyond bitter IMO just delusional

Cambells bitterness is legendary, he refused to accept the inquiry into Bloody Sunday, he objected to restoration works on a Catholic church in Limavady, there's a story that he complained to the council because there were orange and white flowers growing on a roundabout.

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Never heard of the guy before he came on but of all the people going I didn't think anyone would have a bad word to say about John Hume.

You missed nothing never hearing of him. A little bitter gob****e of a man.

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

David Trimble.

I don't mean to dismiss Trimble he certainly played a pivotal role in dragging Unionists with him and, as you say, he was a victim of circumstance as much as anyone else.

Regardless, consider who the voters in Derry were returning as an example of the differences in the electorate in the north. On the Bogside we have a moderate statesman given a mandate in one of the most deprived areas in Western Europe that had suffered terribly at the hands of Unionist/British rule, while the more affluent Unionist Waterside was returning this hateful dimwit.



Unionists were pushed into power-sharing by the British.

RIP John Hume, met him once, what a gentleman.
As for David Trimble, should not mentioned in the same breath as hume, did he ever give his nobel prize money to charity as he said he would and remember his victory march with paisley at Drumcree.
Not one bit surpised at gregory campell, bigot of a man still thinks there shouldn't be a catholic around the place

Trimble undid any good deeds by taking Paisley's hand and walking down the Garvaghy Road. How the Nobel Peace committee could watch footage of Trimble and Paisley and still give him a share of the nobel prize after is a head scratcher. As some have said he isn't fit to lace Hume's shoes. We as Nationalists and Catholics were blessed to have a man of integrity, decency, courage and intelligence like John Hume to advocate a peaceful way forward in Northern Ireland. Indeed all people of N.I. owe a great deal of gratitude to John Hume. It would have been the easiest thing in the world to walk away from peace talks in the face of violence, sectarianism and intransigence but he persevered and the North is now reaping the rewards of his courage and stellar determination.

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Was watching UTV news at 6pm and the only guy who couldn't bring himself to acknowledge what JH had achieved was some DUP guy called Gregory Campbell, he said Hume was divisive during the civil rights protests.

What a bitter old man this guy is.

Gregory Campbell only recently again started to slag off the Irish language. He well knows by making fun of what many nationalists feel is part of their culture, he is by association belittling them. Campbell is the MP for the neighbouring Westminster constituency to Foyle which John Hume represented for many years. It is indicative of John Hume that he offered a hand of friendship to men such as Campbell.

Faugheen wrote: »

John Hume is up there with Martin Luther King in terms of his impact in bringing peace among highly divided and tense communities. He’s a giant among people.

His impact will be felt for a long time to come. If there ever is a United Ireland his name will be the first one mentioned.

It's just a matter of time.

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Was watching UTV news at 6pm and the only guy who couldn't bring himself to acknowledge what JH had achieved was some DUP guy called Gregory Campbell, he said Hume was divisive during the civil rights protests.

What a bitter old man this guy is.

Gregory Campbell is a hateful, bitter bully and top grade ****. I'm sure if thee are any nationalists here that grew up in predominantly Protestant areas in the 70s on the Waterside would know very well who he was.

There are few people who I would genuinely detest, Campbell is one of them.

Five Eighth wrote: »

Gregory Campbell only recently again started to slag off the Irish language. He well knows by making fun of what many nationalists feel is part of their culture, he is by association belittling them. Campbell is the MP for the neighbouring Westminster constituency to Foyle which John Hume represented for many years. It is indicative of John Hume that he offered a hand of friendship to men such as Campbell.

IQ of a housebrick allied to an ethno-religious superiority complex, Campbell doesn't do much to help the wider perception of his party and community. It's a common thread running through settler populations, deep down in the basest essence of their beings they viscerally know their hegemony isn't justified.

batman75 wrote: »

Trimble undid any good deeds by taking Paisley's hand and walking down the Garvaghy Road. How the Nobel Peace committee could watch footage of Trimble and Paisley and still give him a share of the nobel prize after is a head scratcher. As some have said he isn't fit to lace Hume's shoes. We as Nationalists and Catholics were blessed to have a man of integrity, decency, courage and intelligence like John Hume to advocate a peaceful way forward in Northern Ireland. Indeed all people of N.I. owe a great deal of gratitude to John Hume. It would have been the easiest thing in the world to walk away from peace talks in the face of violence, sectarianism and intransigence but he persevered and the North is now reaping the rewards of his courage and stellar determination.

All true. Trimble couldn't be kept off the Garvaghy Road back in the day.

BUT he did move and moved further than anyone else (and to be fair needed to) Contrast Trimble with poor sad Gregory Campbell who still clinging to the good ol' days of Duke Street and Magilligan Strand

John Hume funeral: Family of former SDLP leader say streets of Derry (should not) be lined for funeral.

Sounds like the great man's send-off will be a much smaller affair than the IRA fellas funeral a few weeks ago.

Restrictions imposed as a result of the global pandemic will will limit numbers in St Eugene's Cathedral to his family & a few notable exceptions.

In normal circumstances Prime Minister Boris Johnson, former Prime Minister Tony Blair & former US President Bill Clinton would have travelled to NI for the funeral, but Covid restrictions prevent them . . . .

SchrodingersCat wrote: »

Yes. IMHO it would be one of the largest funeral of the state if it wasnt for the unfortunate time we are in.

"His family added: “We know that he would have prioritised public health and the safety and health of our communities. We’re asking people to follow that guidance – please do not put yourself or others at risk. Instead, we would ask that people light a candle for peace at 9pm in their homes or at their door.”

Decent to the last

Truthvader wrote: »

Decent to the last

Never a truer word said.
With this in mind, according to Tommy Gorman, one of his sons won't be at the funeral for this reason.