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    #122
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    notsoyoungwan wrote: »
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    When you were told she was a recruiter why didn’t you say as you’ve said here “I’m not job hunting anymore, so I’ll let you go. Bye”? Then you wouldn’t have wasted 30 minutes.
    Because it was a good job.

    I would have liked to have known more about it, perhaps via email, but there is a limit to anyone's time and patience.

    Don't just call people at length in the middle of the day and expect them to give (often) an hour or their time, which someone else is paying for. It is the height of rudeness.


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    #123
    EmmetSpiceland
    Registered Users Posts: 10,561 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    machiavellianme wrote: »
    You've managed to post almost 6000 messages on an archaic board over the last 2 years, you can't be that busy.

    Email can be spoofed, ignored, filtered, or simply fail to get to its destination. Then, it might not even be opened or reviewed in a timely manner. There is no guarantee unless you verbally confirm with someone (and even then they might forget).


    Well, I certainly didn’t expect this to be such an “emotive” subject, one that would be getting so personal. I never said I was busy, my time is my own to waste as I see fit and while you might enjoy nothing more than talking about energy supplies or tv providers I don’t feel that I need to be bothering with it.

    An email sent is covering your ass. If the recipient doesn’t deal with it in a “prompt” manner you send a reminder. After that it’s on them.

    I’ll continue to ignore “time burglars” and charlatans and focus on my own life, family and my, numerous, friends and you can continue to welcome the distraction from whatever it is you have going on in your day. You do you.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



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    #124
    tjhook
    Registered Users Posts: 735 ✭✭✭tjhook


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Yep, followed by "fúck off" and hanging up. Takes seconds. Job done. If someone rings and I'm busy and can't talk, I say "sorry [insert name here], I'm busy at the mo, can't talk, can I ring you back later". Takes seconds. Job done.

    This. I get a semi-regular call from an "investment firm" that claims to be providing me a free seminar or somesuch. I just hang up as soon as they start their spiel.

    I can continue to do what I do, or I can block/ignore calls. If I choose to ignore/block calls, I might miss something I'd prefer not to miss. The choice is mine, and so are the consequences. I'm a big boy. I wouldn't blame the HSE, GPs, commercial entities, or anybody else.


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    #125
    Fandymo
    Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    It's so rude.

    Sometimes I will play private-number roulette with these jokers, but they're almost always recruitment agencies, other miscreants, or people who just know you don't want to speak to them.

    I have had enough.

    Show yourselves, cowards. Why are people still ringing off private numbers?

    I’m guessing you’re under 30 OP? The whingiest generation.


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    #126
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    Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Yep, followed by "fúck off" and hanging up. Takes seconds. Job done. If someone rings and I'm busy and can't talk, I say "sorry [insert name here], I'm busy at the mo, can't talk, can I ring you back later". Takes seconds. Job done.

    Why even answer. Why is that less rude?
    I would have thought that screening phone calls is so common as to be worthy of no remark. Why would someone answer an unknown call to shoot them down when its easier to ignore and wait for the voicemail.


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    #127
    [Deleted User]
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    Fandymo wrote: »
    I’m guessing you’re under 30 OP? The whingiest generation.

    There’s surely a cloud to shout at somewhere?


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    #128
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Fandymo wrote: »
    I’m guessing you’re under 30 OP? The whingiest generation.

    No, I'm older than 30, and often find that eople who stereotype an entire generation are incredibly whiny. They are usually the very snowflakes they lampoon.


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    #129
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Great example of how society has moved towards autism, paranoia and anxiety being completely normalised.
    OH MY GOD MY PHONE IS RINGING AND I DON'T KNOW WHO IT IS! HOW DARE THEY!?


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    #130
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    tjhook wrote: »
    No organisation has ever contacted me over Whatsapp (I'd be worried if an organisation was to contact me about anything personal via Whatsapp). Or sent me an SMS to indicate that their number is private. I'm not saying no organisation does so, but I very much doubt it's common.

    An organisation will use whatever communication mechanism you've provided to them. They won't look up "Mick Brennan" in the phone book and assume that's you. When you're providing your contact details, tell them if you have special requirements.

    There’s plenty of small vendor communication over WhatsApp and SMS, and in particular Facebook.

    You not getting one isn’t the same as everybody not getting one. Nothing stopping the health service getting a general app going as well and making that one of the choices for communication. The covid app does notify people after all.


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    #131
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,060 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Yep, followed by "fúck off" and hanging up. Takes seconds. Job done. If someone rings and I'm busy and can't talk, I say "sorry [insert name here], I'm busy at the mo, can't talk, can I ring you back later". Takes seconds. Job done.

    The post I was replying to said that if someone is ringing you it's because you gave them your number. That's very far from being the case.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #132
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,060 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    machiavellianme wrote: »
    You've managed to post almost 6000 messages on an archaic board over the last 2 years, you can't be that busy.

    I hate when people do this and smugly think they are making some sort of a point. It's ridiculous and petty. How you choose to spend your time is your own business, same is true for everyone else.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #133
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Great example of how society has moved towards autism, paranoia and anxiety being completely normalised.
    OH MY GOD MY PHONE IS RINGING AND I DON'T KNOW WHO IT IS! HOW DARE THEY!?

    Oh FFS. The idea that people answered all calls in the past is a myth. As a child I was often told to lie on the phone about who was in or out. And caller id is ancient. Voice mail is also old technology. All screening mechanisms.

    The emotive response here is utterly weird. It’s not normal to answer all calls.


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    #134
    10pennymixup
    Registered Users Posts: 516 ✭✭✭10pennymixup


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    So you've never got a cold call or scam call?

    No, no scam calls. One or two cold calls a year. Receive far more scam and spam by email.

    My phone number is on my website and many other advertising sites (international) for my business. And so far (15 years) touch wood no problems.

    Why do you ask? What dodgy people have gotten hold of your number and how did they get it?


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    #135
    [Deleted User]
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    10pennymixup wrote: »
    No, no scam calls. One or two cold calls a year. Receive far more scam and spam by email.

    My phone number is on my website and many other advertising sites (international) for my business. And so far (15 years) touch wood no problems.

    Why do you ask? What dodgy people have gotten hold of your number and how did they get it?

    How would people know where they get it? Some general leak of phone numbers or they are trying out random digits. Ive had three calls from country code 216 in the last few months. Tunisia.


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    #136
    10pennymixup
    Registered Users Posts: 516 ✭✭✭10pennymixup


    Deleted User wrote: »
    How would people know where they get it? Some general leak of phone numbers or they are trying out random digits. Ive had three calls from country code 216 in the last few months. Tunisia.

    More likely you're on some sucker list.


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    #137
    Fake Scores
    Closed Accounts Posts: 168 ✭✭Fake Scores


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    #138
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Anyway, some research. It's not surprising to learn that most people don't answer all their calls.

    Hiya, the industry leader in nuisance and scam call protection, today unveiled insight into how Americans are using their mobile phones given the rise in robocalls. Based on a subset of 11 billion calls analyzed monthly, Hiya found that only 52 percent of all calls Americans receive on their phones are answered, which means that almost half of calls are sent to voicemail. And when the call comes from an unidentified number, the statistic rises with more than three in four (76%) calls going unanswered.

    So if you are answering unidentified numbers then you are the weird one.

    This is a press release from Hiya itself, but the stats seem robust. They go on to editorialise a bit.

    Yet, in a surprising twist, 9 percent of calls that have been identified as spam are picked up, which is a staggering amount considering that, according to Hiya, a total of 26.3 billion robocalls were made to American phones in 2018, up 46% from the previous year's total of 18 billion.[/I]

    9% of spam being picked up is 91% not being picked up. Hiya is trying to sell a product to combat nuisance calls so they are emphasising the supposedly high 9% rate, which it isn't really. I don't know how people distinguish spam from general unidentified calls, I assume the area code might be a hint.


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    #139
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    Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    10pennymixup wrote: »
    More likely you're on some sucker list.

    No I am not on a sucker list penny, because I am not a sucker. I've never been "sucked". Reported for ad hominem.


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    #140
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Quick question: do people who answer all their calls answer all their emails immediately. If not, why not? Same rules apply.


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    #141
    byhookorbycrook
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 12,481 Mod ✭✭✭✭byhookorbycrook


    Primary teacher here . We did most of our parent teacher meetings by phone this year, using our own phones . Parents were told the calls were coming from private numbers. We have school email addresses if any parent needs to contact us, giving our own personal numbers out wasn’t something we wanted to do . 98% of parents wouldn’t abuse our numbers , but there might be one or two who could .


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    #142
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,092 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Why even answer. Why is that less rude?
    I would have thought that screening phone calls is so common as to be worthy of no remark. Why would someone answer an unknown call to shoot them down when its easier to ignore and wait for the voicemail.
    Because I'm a fairly normally socialised human being who crazy notion I know, answers the phone if and when it rings and I'm not actually busy? Same for doorbells. I use texts, whatsapp and emails too of course and respond to them as soon as is possible. Of all the people I know the only ones that screen calls to that degree are on the spectrum. And that's grand, they're otherwise cool people, but their attitudes in that particular area are not normal. There's a sliding scale of course and many would be somewhat in the middle and might screen calls on occasion, but not as a blanket way of living their lives.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #143
    endacl
    Registered Users Posts: 22,239 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Deleted User wrote: »
    No I am not on a sucker list penny, because I am not a sucker. I've never been "sucked". Reported for ad hominem.

    Jaysus. Can posts be reported for overreaction?


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    #144
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,092 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Deleted User wrote: »
    No I am not on a sucker list penny, because I am not a sucker. I've never been "sucked". Reported for ad hominem.
    Ehh... maybe something has been lost in translation but I don't see how anyone would take that as an ad hominem. :confused:

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #145
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    Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Because I'm a fairly normally socialised human being who crazy notion I know, answers the phone if and when it rings and I'm not actually busy? Same for doorbells. I use texts, whatsapp and emails too of course and respond to them as soon as is possible. Of all the people I know the only ones that screen calls to that degree are on the spectrum. And that's grand, they're otherwise cool people, but their attitudes in that particular area are not normal. There's a sliding scale of course and many would be somewhat in the middle and might screen calls on occasion, but not as a blanket way of living their lives.

    No you are not normal unless normal is redefined as 20% of the population, which is a mathematical absurdity. Also your spectrum comments seem to be a generalised ad hom against the people not taking your position, not too distinct from a playground taunt.

    This is from Pew research, and is later than the last one I posted..

    Americans just aren’t picking up the phone much anymore. Eight-in-ten Americans say they don’t generally answer their cellphone when an unknown number calls, according to newly released findings from a Pew Research Center web survey of U.S. adults conducted July 13-19, 2020.

    Only 19% of Americans generally pick up cellphone calls from unknown numbers; women, White adults, older adults, higher-income adults less likely to do so

    And...

    And though much has been made of younger adults’ distaste for phone conversations, the survey finds that Americans ages 18 to 29 are more likely to take calls from unknown numbers than those in older age groups.

    So all the nonsense here about the young is just that. We can discount the "spectrum" argument anyway, the people I have known to ignore most calls when busy, be they from identified or unidentified sources are businessmen.


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    #146
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    Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Ehh... maybe something has been lost in translation but I don't see how anyone would take that as an ad hominem. :confused:

    It wasn't actually reported.

    Very strange emotive response here to fairly normal behaviour though, ie. screening calls. I would have assumed that the response to the OP would be a litany of how people managed to stop their cold callers, or better ways to block calls, or agreement about how to screen more calls, since that is what normal people do.


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    #147
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,092 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Deleted User wrote: »
    No you are not normal unless normal is redefined as 20% of the population, which is a mathematical absurdity. Also your spectrum comments seem to be a generalised ad him against the people not taking your position, not too distinct from a playground taunt.
    You do seem to see ad hominem with ease. I was just speaking from personal experience.
    This is from Pew research, and is later than the last one I posted..

    Americans just aren’t picking up the phone much anymore. Eight-in-ten Americans say they don’t generally answer their cellphone when an unknown number calls, according to newly released findings from a Pew Research Center web survey of U.S. adults conducted July 13-19, 2020.

    Only 19% of Americans generally pick up cellphone calls from unknown numbers; women, White adults, older adults, higher-income adults less likely to do so

    And...

    And though much has been made of younger adults’ distaste for phone conversations, the survey finds that Americans ages 18 to 29 are more likely to take calls from unknown numbers than those in older age groups.
    American research. Which doesn't surprise me, as American culture is notably more paranoid than most in the West, so not a shock they might answer their phones less.
    So all the nonsense here about the young is just that. We can discount the "spectrum" argument anyway, the people I have known to ignore most calls when busy, be they from identified or unidentified sources are businessmen.
    Did you miss the part where I typed: "and I'm not actually busy?" Of course if I'm busy I will let calls go to voicemail. If I'm not, I won't.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #148
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,092 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It wasn't actually reported.

    Very strange emotive response here to fairly normal behaviour though, ie. screening calls. I would have assumed that the response to the OP would be a litany of how people managed to stop their cold callers, or better ways to block calls, or agreement about how to screen more calls, since that is what normal people do.
    Not emotive on my part anyway. I just find it a tad odd how some are so phonecall averse, that's all. It's like when threads come up about answering the door and there will be a cohort of posters who won't answer their door unless they're expecting someone.

    PS I don't see it as a generational thing either. I've found the young are less twitchy around this kinda thing.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #149
    [Deleted User]
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    byhookorbycrook wrote: »
    Primary teacher here . We did most of our parent teacher meetings by phone this year, using our own phones . Parents were told the calls were coming from private numbers. We have school email addresses if any parent needs to contact us, giving our own personal numbers out wasn’t something we wanted to do . 98% of parents wouldn’t abuse our numbers , but there might be one or two who could .

    That’s fine because you told them upfront. It doesn’t seem that the health service does that.


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    #150
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,092 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    On the health service aspect Iwould agree they should have some sort of number coming up. Simply because it's clear some people are private number averse and you have to allow for such people.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #151
    Minier81
    Registered Users Posts: 623 ✭✭✭Minier81


    Wibbs wrote: »
    On the health service aspect Iwould agree they should have some sort of number coming up. Simply because it's clear some people are private number averse and you have to allow for such people.

    Most hospitals actually come up as the switch board number. Personally I wouldn't care if they were all private numbers either though.


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