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''The girl who became three boys''

  • 07-08-2012 11:12am
    #1
    Medusa22
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,400 ✭✭✭Medusa22


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2184539/The-girl-boys-I-idea-boyfriend-girl.html

    I think it was an odd thing to do, to pretend to be a guy and obviously quite upsetting for the girls who believed they had boyfriends. Gemma Barker obviously has some psychological problems, however, I find her sentence to be a bit harsh. Actually, I find it a bit odd that she was sentenced at all. I don't think that it is a crime to pretend to be a man? I wonder where this leaves transsexuals who haven't fully had a sex change and are living their lives as a man or a woman and who may not tell potential partners. So, what do the people of AH think?


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  • #2
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,253 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    What was the actual crime?


  • #3
    Gurgle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,064 ✭✭✭Gurgle


    Medusa22 wrote:
    I find her sentence to be a bit harsh. Actually, I find it a bit odd that she was sentenced at all.

    The crime is only mentioned in the caption of the photo:
    Barker admitted two counts of sexual assault and fraud at Guildford Crown Court


  • #4
    Laika1986
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 620 ✭✭✭Laika1986


    I'm hugely confused ted


  • #5
    Hande hoche!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    She seems like a crafty one.


  • #6
    Gummy Panda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,919 ✭✭✭✭Gummy Panda


    Medusa22 wrote: »
    I don't think that it is a crime to pretend to be a man? I wonder where this leaves transsexuals who haven't fully had a sex change and are living their lives as a man or a woman and who may not tell potential partners. So, what do the people of AH think?

    One of the girls was a minor and there is the issue of consent. I believe it can be considered conditional in law.

    There was a male to female transgender on here before saying they wouldn't tell the man until sex IIRC


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  • #7
    Medusa22
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,400 ✭✭✭Medusa22


    Is it sexual assault because one girl was 15 or because Barker pretended to be a man? I think it was consensual but maybe the issue of consent is a bit ambiguous because she didn't know who she was really consenting with.


  • #8
    Tombi!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    Probably touching their boobs or something. There was a case of it a few years ago with a woman pretending to be a teen boy and did the same and was charged with it.


  • #9
    Scioch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭Scioch


    Barker admitted two counts of sexual assault and fraud at Guildford Crown Court

    She didnt just pretend to be a man. She deceived someone into thinking she was a man and then performed certain sexual actions on her without her consent as far as I can make out.


  • #10
    Mr.Crinklewood
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,505 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Crinklewood


    Laika1986 wrote: »
    I'm hugely confused ted

    Your confused and are asking a talking teddybear for help.

    You're ****ed.


  • #11
    Hande hoche!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    Also disappointing lack of photos of her in drag.


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  • #12
    Wacker The Attacker
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    At least shes out of the closet now


  • #13
    mauzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,033 ✭✭✭mauzo


    The comments are gas.

    I think she overdosed on blue smarties :P


  • #14
    A Primal Nut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,949 ✭✭✭A Primal Nut


    Gummy Panda wrote: »
    One of the girls was a minor and there is the issue of consent. I believe it can be considered conditional in law.

    There was a male to female transgender on here before saying they wouldn't tell the man until sex IIRC

    It's disgraceful and deception of the highest order; basically duping someone into have sex with them. It's right that it's a criminal offence. I would imagine most men would be too embarrassed to come forward if it happened them, though.


  • #15
    Gurgle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,064 ✭✭✭Gurgle


    BBC Story
    Impersonating a male is almost completely irrelevant here, a 20yo using a fake identity pretended to be 16 and had sexual encounters with children.


  • #16
    Scioch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭Scioch


    Jorah wrote: »
    Hmmmm

    Maybe I could try the opposite with Lesbians?

    Trick them into thinking your a woman, get them into bed, turn out the lights and say "I'm gonna do ya with this here dildo" then stick the willy in ?

    Pretty sure thats rape.


  • #17
    Medusa22
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,400 ✭✭✭Medusa22


    Anybody thinking of boys don't cry?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvolJNljlqY


  • #18
    Braxton Chubby Newsman
    Posts: 0 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Braxton Chubby Newsman


    What i'm thinking of is the story about the woman who had a guy arrested because she slept with him thinking he was jewish, then found out later he wasnt
    in israel i think it was


  • #19
    annascott
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,271 ✭✭✭annascott


    Something like this was covered years ago in the film Boys Don't Cry, based on a girl who called herself Brandon and fooled everyone into thinking she was a boy.
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0171804/

    I don't see what the crime is, although the deception thing questions their character. It is perfectly acceptable to be a lesbian who chooses to dress as a boy. I don't understand why they don't just do that instead.


  • #20
    cloud493
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,835 ✭✭✭✭cloud493


    I did wonder about it myself, when I saw the advert for the program on channel 4 tonight. From the news article/ might have wikipedia, it said she had autism and something else though. Thought she might have been given leniency.


  • #21
    Wacker The Attacker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,473 ✭✭✭Wacker The Attacker


    extra curricular fanny.

    she's to be commended for her ingenuity


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  • #22
    Gummy Panda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,919 ✭✭✭✭Gummy Panda


    bluewolf wrote: »
    What i'm thinking of is the story about the woman who had a guy arrested because she slept with him thinking he was jewish, then found out later he wasnt
    in israel i think it was

    Yeah there was another as well about a guy lying saying he was wearing a condom and that the woman only would have consented to sex with him if he wore a condom.


  • #23
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,556 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    Gummy Panda wrote: »
    Yeah there was another as well about a guy lying saying he was wearing a condom and that the woman only would have consented to sex with him if he wore a condom.

    julian assange?


  • #24
    Gummy Panda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,919 ✭✭✭✭Gummy Panda


    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »
    Gummy Panda wrote: »
    Yeah there was another as well about a guy lying saying he was wearing a condom and that the woman only would have consented to sex with him if he wore a condom.

    julian assange?

    Actually he did it as well. This guy I vaguely remember passed on a STD to the woman and duped her more then once. STD is what caught him out


  • #25
    Links234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,944 ✭✭✭✭Links234


    Medusa22 wrote: »
    I don't think that it is a crime to pretend to be a man?
    I think it's just the way the story is being spun here, and the crime is that she sexually abused underage girls, but that the cross-dressing is what the Daily Mail finds juicy and news-worthy.
    Medusa22 wrote: »
    I wonder where this leaves transsexuals who haven't fully had a sex change and are living their lives as a man or a woman and who may not tell potential partners. So, what do the people of AH think?

    totally different kettle of fish entirely, transgender people are at great risk of physical assault, sexual assault and even murder because of their gender identity, so will tend to keep it to themselves for safety reasons and may only open up about things when they feel safe or comfortable enough to.


  • #26
    Sea Sharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,593 ✭✭✭Sea Sharp


    Arya Stark was it?


  • #27
    Allyall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,381 ✭✭✭✭Allyall


    It's on Channel 4 Tonight..

    http://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-girl-who-became-three-boys


  • #28
    Gummy Panda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,919 ✭✭✭✭Gummy Panda


    Links234 wrote: »
    Medusa22 wrote: »
    I don't think that it is a crime to pretend to be a man?
    I think it's just the way the story is being spun here, and the crime is that she sexually abused underage girls, but that the cross-dressing is what the Daily Mail finds juicy and news-worthy.
    Medusa22 wrote: »
    I wonder where this leaves transsexuals who haven't fully had a sex change and are living their lives as a man or a woman and who may not tell potential partners. So, what do the people of AH think?

    totally different kettle of fish entirely, transgender people are at great risk of physical assault, sexual assault and even murder because of their gender identity, so will tend to keep it to themselves for safety reasons and may only open up about things when they feel safe or comfortable enough to.

    Only one of them is a minor though. 16 is the legal age in UK. It could be the use of the dildo without consent


  • #29
    DavyD_83
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,992 ✭✭✭DavyD_83


    Mr.Crinklewood wrote: »
    Your confused and are asking a talking teddybear for help.

    You're ****ed.

    Ah, fer fup sake!


  • #30
    TeddyTedson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭TeddyTedson


    It's all very bizarre to an average bear like me. The world is a strange place and getting weirder by the day.


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  • #31
    dilallio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,728 ✭✭✭dilallio


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    What was the actual crime?

    Rogering a 15 yr old with a pink dildo.


  • #32
    Dravokivich
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    annascott wrote: »
    Something like this was covered years ago in the film Boys Don't Cry, based on a girl who called herself Brandon and fooled everyone into thinking she was a boy.
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0171804/

    I don't see what the crime is, although the deception thing questions their character. It is perfectly acceptable to be a lesbian who chooses to dress as a boy. I don't understand why they don't just do that instead.

    That's not what the issue is. The issue is she was deceitful and targeted younger girls to abuse.


  • #33
    marshbaboon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭marshbaboon


    One things for sure, she's better looking as a man than a woman.


  • #34
    Colmustard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,836 ✭✭✭Colmustard


    I ask myself why, she is rather attractive, I am sure she could have met a very willing and loving lesbian.


  • #35
    Gummy Panda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,919 ✭✭✭✭Gummy Panda


    marshbaboon wrote: »
    One things for sure, she's better looking as a man than a woman.

    Where is pics of her as man?


  • #36
    le la rat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,072 ✭✭✭le la rat


    The Trinity


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  • #37
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
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    dilallio wrote: »
    Rogering a 15 yr old with a pink dildo.

    we've all been there


  • #38
    marshbaboon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭marshbaboon


    Gummy Panda wrote: »
    Where is pics of her as man?

    It's like, the second massive picture on the link. Scroll down.

    She looks like a mixture between Norman Bates & Rico from starship troopers.


  • #39
    Gummy Panda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,919 ✭✭✭✭Gummy Panda


    marshbaboon wrote: »
    Gummy Panda wrote: »
    Where is pics of her as man?

    It's like, the second massive picture on the link. Scroll down.

    She looks like a mixture between Norman Bates & Rico from starship troopers.

    That's Kieron Richardson lol


  • #40
    Jesus Shaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,959 ✭✭✭Jesus Shaves


    She needed some balls to pull that off


  • #41
    Sid519
    Registered Users Posts: 4 ✭Sid519


    She does look boyish...it's kinda sick, if you ask me... what punishment did she get?


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  • #42
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
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    Gummy Panda wrote: »
    That's Kieron Richardson lol

    and she's standing right beside him.... literally inches away


  • #43
    Gummy Panda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,919 ✭✭✭✭Gummy Panda


    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »
    Gummy Panda wrote: »
    That's Kieron Richardson lol

    and she's standing right beside him.... literally inches away

    Yeah as a girl, not a man


  • #44
    marshbaboon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭marshbaboon


    I only read "Barker, pictured here" and saw the dude. I tend not to get too invested in Daily Mail articles, my bad.


  • #45
    Ann22
    Registered Users Posts: 8,004 ✭✭✭Ann22


    Colmustard wrote: »
    I ask myself why, she is rather attractive, I am sure she could have met a very willing and loving lesbian.

    Maybe she's transgender, that way she'd want to be with a girl as a 'boy' not with a girl as a 'girl'. What she did was very wrong.


  • #46
    Colmustard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,836 ✭✭✭Colmustard


    Ann22 wrote: »
    Maybe she's transgender, that way she'd want to be with a girl as a 'boy' not with a girl as a 'girl'. What she did was very wrong.

    I was thinking that, but that would have come up in the girls defence.


  • #47
    Links234
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    No, it doesn't sound like she's transgender at all, trans people generally don't go around creating a string of fake identities like this.


  • #48
    Head The Wall
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    marshbaboon wrote: »
    It's like, the second massive picture on the link. Scroll down.

    She looks like a mixture between Norman Bates & Rico from starship troopers.

    She looks like she has a decent size rack, how was that not discovered during the "petting"

    article-2184539-0F83A03400000578-724_306x423.jpg


  • #49
    Gummy Panda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,919 ✭✭✭✭Gummy Panda


    Head The Wall wrote: »
    marshbaboon wrote: »
    It's like, the second massive picture on the link. Scroll down.

    She looks like a mixture between Norman Bates & Rico from starship troopers.

    She looks like she has a decent size rack, how was that not discovered during the "petting"

    article-2184539-0F83A03400000578-724_306x423.jpg

    "What's the story with your chest?"
    "don't mind that. Just a bit of gyno"


  • #50
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,623 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Medusa22 wrote: »
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2184539/The-girl-boys-I-idea-boyfriend-girl.html

    I think it was an odd thing to do, to pretend to be a guy and obviously quite upsetting for the girls who believed they had boyfriends. Gemma Barker obviously has some psychological problems, however, I find her sentence to be a bit harsh. Actually, I find it a bit odd that she was sentenced at all. I don't think that it is a crime to pretend to be a man? I wonder where this leaves transsexuals who haven't fully had a sex change and are living their lives as a man or a woman and who may not tell potential partners. So, what do the people of AH think?

    That photo looks like Justin Bieber.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #51
    lubie76
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,151 ✭✭✭lubie76


    Loike the girl telling the story must be from D4, roight?
    Learn how to speak English you twat!


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