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Direct Provision to be Abolished

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    #62
    [Deleted User]
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    Rockbeast2 wrote: »
    There was an interesting theory proposed last week that there may be some visitors here from "far-right" sites masquerading as "far-lefties" in the hope of motivating people a little further to "the right" in the face of such ridiculous and intransigent views. That poster may have been on to something.

    Doubtful. Few people are going to be terribly influenced by what they see written on boards, since the "far right" tend to be rather obvious with their bile.

    Anyway, boards already has enough left swinging posters whose posting habits would place anyone who disagreed with them, in the right... no need for right wingers to do anything. Just sit back and watch.


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    #63
    enricoh
    Registered Users Posts: 4,841 ✭✭✭enricoh


    There was a 30% increase last year in asylum seekers last year. The government under pressure from the media onslaught sped up the process of giving spoofers leave to remain, n numbers jumped. 2021 will see stellar growth in the asylum spoofer industry, Paddy taxpayer can pick up the tab!



    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/number-asylum-seekers-applying-protection-21736300.amp


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    #64
    Gatling
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    enricoh wrote: »
    There was a 30% increase last year in asylum seekers last year. The government under pressure from the media onslaught sped up the process of giving spoofers leave to remain, n numbers jumped. 2021 will see stellar growth in the asylum spoofer industry, Paddy taxpayer can pick up the tab!



    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/number-asylum-seekers-applying-protection-21736300.amp



    "They also include applicants who may have previously sought international protection in another EU member state."

    Traveling safe country to safe country too see who believes the latest sob story
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    #65
    MontgomeryClift
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    enricoh wrote: »
    There was a 30% increase last year in asylum seekers last year. The government under pressure from the media onslaught sped up the process of giving spoofers leave to remain, n numbers jumped. 2021 will see stellar growth in the asylum spoofer industry, Paddy taxpayer can pick up the tab!



    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/number-asylum-seekers-applying-protection-21736300.amp

    Any increase in capacity or any improvement in living conditions for applicants for asylum will result in an increase in applications for asylum.

    The pressure from without is always there, and once the word gets around the world (which it does, quite rapidly) that Ireland is a softer touch than it used to be, arrivals will surge.

    The difference now, in contrast to the Progressive Democrat days, is that institutions have been thoroughly infiltrated by people who will welcome this surge. With the alleged rise of the "new nationalists," these people become even more determined to rub the right's nose in it, and bury the right under an avalanche of multiculturalism.


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    #66
    statesaver
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭statesaver


    Thank god they're building a 2nd runway at Dublin Airport because they're going to need it.


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    #67
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,332 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Rockbeast2 wrote: »
    There was an interesting theory proposed last week that there may be some visitors here from "far-right" sites masquerading as "far-lefties" in the hope of motivating people a little further to "the right" in the face of such ridiculous and intransigent views. That poster may have been on to something.

    No, while it may be the case he is doing it his views would not be out of place in any party of the left today, in reality he is quite pleasant about it in comparison.


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    #68
    The Oort Cloud
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    Well when you think of it with the closure of all direct provision centres, the only other way to house all of the migrants and refugees is to fast-track them into social housing, where else will they stay if all direct provision centres are closed down. The only problem with this approach is that Irish native citizens already waiting for the like's of 15 years and up will be waiting much longer to be housed or being put into family hubs.


    The Irish native citizens will be put in direct provision like accommodation (Family Hubs) while the migrants and refugees will be housed in their own new homes.

    Individual people have different thoughts and understanding in regard to others opinions, but the problem is this... there are some people out there that will do everything in their power to cut you off when they do not like your opinion even when it is truth.

    https://youtu.be/v8EseBe4eIU



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    #69
    enricoh
    Registered Users Posts: 4,841 ✭✭✭enricoh


    statesaver wrote: »
    Thank god they're building a 2nd runway at Dublin Airport because they're going to need it.

    Anyone out of a job due to Corona should give serious consideration to changing career n going into the asylum spoofer industry.
    Serious growth potential!


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    #70
    ThunbergsAreGo
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    No problem in removing it if there is an alternative.I'm not sure that has been thought out at all. Direct Provisions isn't actually a problem, it's the time people spend in it.

    A single holding location at the airport perhaps? It would be cheaper to run you would think. Anything has to be better than the persecution and fear for their life which caused them to leave their home country.


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    #71
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,332 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    The Oort Cloud wrote: »
    Well when you think of it with the closure of all direct provision centres, the only other way to house all of the migrants and refugees is to fast-track them into social housing, where else will they stay if all direct provision centres are closed down. The only problem with this approach is that Irish native citizens already waiting for the like's of 15 years and up will be waiting much longer to be housed or being put into family hubs.


    The Irish native citizens will be put in direct provision like accommodation (Family Hubs) while the migrants and refugees will be housed in their own new homes.

    This won't hit the Greens it won't hit the Left, it's the working class that will be hit hardest by what is on effect a radical free market approach to migration.


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    #72
    Tokyo
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    Gatling wrote: »
    Awwwwe poor lil snow flake .

    Mod: Quit the childish name calling.


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    #73
    Gatling
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    ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »
    Direct Provisions isn't actually a problem, it's the time people spend in it.

    Because we pay for them to make near unlimited appeals to prevent themselves being removed for bogus claims .

    Every asylum seeker seems to have their own full multilayered legal teams ,at other people's expenses
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    #74
    Rockbeast2
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    Danzy wrote: »
    No, while it may be the case he is doing it his views would not be out of place in any party of the left today, in reality he is quite pleasant about it in comparison.

    Well I hope there aren't many in the real world that hold that poster's views.

    They are essentially advocating the destruction of the middle-class in Ireland. How would these arrivals be paid for or accommodated? Massive tax hikes.

    And anyone under 30 today will be lucky to see a public pension by 75.


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    #75
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,332 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Rockbeast2 wrote: »
    Well I hope there aren't many in the real world that hold that poster's views.

    They are essentially advocating the destruction of the middle-class in Ireland. How would these arrivals be paid for or accommodated? Massive tax hikes.

    And anyone under 30 today will be lucky to see a public pension by 75.

    I've met quite a few SF and Green members who are exactly like that.

    I can think of a few PbP people as well who have some off the wall views.

    I don't know any Labour members, don't even know if I can think if a self declared Labour voter.

    All these people are solidly middle class and from solidly middle class families.


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    #76
    Jurgen Klopp
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    How is it dealt with in other EU nations? France, Austria etc?

    I'd assume they just have centres of a higher standard?


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    #77
    ThunbergsAreGo
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    Jurgen Klopp wrote: »
    How is it dealt with in other EU nations? France, Austria etc?

    I'd assume they just have centres of a higher standard?

    Would be interested to know alright, and New Zealand given how they seem the current poster child


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    #78
    SporadicMan
    Registered Users Posts: 137 ✭✭SporadicMan


    Why does it feel like the George Floyd stuff is being used in all Western countries to usher in what essentially amounts to open borders?


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    #79
    Rockbeast2
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    Danzy wrote: »
    I've met quite a few SF and Green members who are exactly like that.

    I can think of a few PbP people as well who have some off the wall views.

    I don't know any Labour members, don't even know if I can think if a self declared Labour voter.

    All these people are solidly middle class and from solidly middle class families.

    Whatever the reasons behind their intentions, it certainly won't work out the way they hope.

    The current path we appear to be on will only serve to drag the standard of living for most down drastically.

    Equality for all in poverty!

    * Although in reality a 20/80 society will develop. And if you're not among the wealthy top 20% you will be screwed.


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    #80
    Annasopra
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    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    Its awful that that is the reality, we should pull out of offering asylum altogether,
    We can't do that legally.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #81
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,332 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Rockbeast2 wrote: »
    Whatever the reasons behind their intentions, it certainly won't work out the way they hope.

    The current path we appear to be on will only serve to drag the standard of living for most down drastically.

    Equality for all in poverty!

    * Although in reality a 20/80 society will develop. And if you're not among the wealthy top 20% you will be screwed.

    No, a radical free market position is still radical free market whether couched tha language of the left and implemented by a Socialist Minister.

    I don't think they actually care about the damage.


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    #82
    Jurgen Klopp
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    Rockbeast2 wrote: »
    Whatever the reasons behind their intentions, it certainly won't work out the way they hope.

    The current path we appear to be on will only serve to drag the standard of living for most down drastically.

    Equality for all in poverty!

    * Although in reality a 20/80 society will develop. And if you're not among the wealthy top 20% you will be screwed.

    Don't forget blaming the population for all being big nasty racists when the inevitable far right party becomes mainstream.

    I keep hearing on boards a "far right" anti immigration party has no place in Ireland as the public has no appetite for it. Well by God they seem to be doing everything they can to lay the foundations for it

    Of course the same was uttered across the UK and Europe and we've seen the results of that ;)


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    #83
    theguzman
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    I don't know if Direct Provision will end, there is dozens of Fianna Fail corrupt crony pigs at the trough who own these former hotels and hostels around the country creaming millions off the state in their cottage industry. The cronys won't loose out so don't think Direct Provision is going anywhere very soon.


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    #84
    Gatling
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    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    We can't do that legally.

    We could , don't think there is any recourse if we did pull out ,it would likely cause a knock on effect with other countries pulling out too
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    #85
    Beechwoodspark
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    Jurgen Klopp wrote: »
    How is it dealt with in other EU nations? France, Austria etc?

    I'd assume they just have centres of a higher standard?

    I think I read before that Ireland has 1 of the better systems in the EU and that it was seen as a pull factor for migrants - can anyone confirm that ?


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    #86
    statesaver
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    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    I think I read before that Ireland has 1 of the better systems in the EU

    And the Greens may be about to make it the most bestest system in the EU :eek:


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    #87
    FVP3
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    Danzy wrote: »
    I've met quite a few SF and Green members who are exactly like that.

    I can think of a few PbP people as well who have some off the wall views.

    I don't know any Labour members, don't even know if I can think if a self declared Labour voter.

    All these people are solidly middle class and from solidly middle class families.

    it's basically a class war. I don't know how much social housing is available every year but if asylum seekers get the bulk of them then of course people who otherwise would have been on the list will get angry. It is a zero sum game. And if works out then more will come, of course.

    Still be interesting to see what will happen. Sinn Fein are going to be in a hard place here, for while their leadership is middle class the base is definitely not.


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    #88
    ThunbergsAreGo
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    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    I think I read before that Ireland has 1 of the better systems in the EU and that it was seen as a pull factor for migrants - can anyone confirm that ?

    That might be the welfare.

    It is interesting that those pushing its abolition, can't point towards an example of a country where it works.

    Just shorten the time to decide, and allow one appeal held within 3 months. Then decide


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    #89
    Higgins5473
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    KiKi III wrote: »
    The new government hasn’t even met yet.

    There’s probably lots of stuff in the PfG that they’ve agreed on but haven’t worked out the details of yet.

    So it is actually possible, and this is a question, they will give a name and title to a new policy which will require massive reform, astronomical cost and will no doubt will cause huge social division without any slight inkling of an idea how to execute this other than giving the policy a name?

    Therefore I’d like to introduce my policy on the LMSPS; Leitrim Mars Settlement Space Programme.


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    #90
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Traditionally when somebody has a deportation order, the minister for Justice needs to sign off on it. Has this now changed to Roderick O'Gorman?


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    Beechwoodspark
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    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    Traditionally when somebody has a deportation order, the minister for Justice needs to sign off on it. Has this now changed to Roderick O'Gorman?

    Minister for justice is Helen mcentee


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