Direct Provision to be Abolished

Higgins5473

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/new-department-of-children-to-be-responsible-for-direct-provision-1.4290769

The article is quite vague. It gives some suggestions at the end of what will be done to improve conditions at present but it is being replaced with “ending the Direct Provision system and will replace it with a new International Protection accommodation policy, centred on a not for profit approach"

What is International Protection accommodation policy?

biko

Minister for Children, Disability, Equality and Integration Roderic O’Gorman of the Green Party will now take responsibility for the system.

That's it, we're screwed.

TuringBot47

The change will be made over the lifetime of the next Government and a white paper on the way forward for the international protection process will be drawn up by the end of the year.

Anyone else think it's ironic they have to draw up a "white paper" ?


Anyways, I don't understand how non-EU citizens get permanent status.
It should be conditional on a periodic review, eg. every 5 years.
If they commit crimes or fail to get a job, then they should be deported.

Higgins5473

I've googled the sh*t out of "International Protection accommodation policy" and can find absolutely nothing on it. Have they actually given a name to a plan that hasn't been formed or defined yet?

Varik

biko wrote: »

That's it, we're screwed.

Who knows, could back fire.

No more being able to buy up space in some rural hotel and trying to sneak in when no ones looking.

They're going to have a long drawn out process to house them themselves if in dedicated developments, and loads of criticism for housing for X when you're not for Y.

Maybe the social housing in that former RTE donnybrook development will go to them, then RTE will have another source of interviewees other than the canteen nearby.

KiKi III

Higgins5473 wrote: »

I've googled the sh*t out of "International Protection accommodation policy" and can find absolutely nothing on it. Have they actually given a name to a plan that hasn't been formed or defined yet?

The main issue is that right now the centres are run for profit by private companies and now they won’t be. There’s something like €260 put aside for every asylum seeker every week right now, of which €220 goes to the private company and the person gets €39 to live off.

Danzy

Higgins5473 wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/new-department-of-children-to-be-responsible-for-direct-provision-1.4290769

The article is quite vague. It gives some suggestions at the end of what will be done to improve conditions at present but it is being replaced with “ending the Direct Provision system and will replace it with a new International Protection accommodation policy, centred on a not for profit approach"

What is International Protection accommodation policy?

Something that will benefit buy to let landlords, the class type who are setting Green policy.

Danzy

biko wrote: »

That's it, we're screwed.

It's like putting Thatcher in the Dept of Social Welfare.

LiquidZeb

Once refugees enter Ireland they should be given priority listing for housing and proper assistance in getting them up to speed in employment, language and finance. Its disgraceful the farce of DP was let carry on for as long as it did.

TomTomTim

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Once refugees enter Ireland they should be given priority listing for housing and proper assistance in getting them up to speed in employment, language and finance. Its disgraceful the farce of DP was let carry on for as long as it did.

I thought you were nuts previously, now I'm hoping that you're a troll.

Higgins5473

KiKi III wrote: »

The main issue is that right now the centres are run for profit by private companies and now they won’t be. There’s something like €260 put aside for every asylum seeker every week right now, of which €220 goes to the private company and the person gets €39 to live off.

that's irrelevant to what I am asking, they have announced DP is being abolished and replaced with this new policy which they have named "International Protection accommodation policy" which will not be for profit...so what is it? If a new 'policy' is announced surely to god they have a very clear definition of what kind of system will be in place within the policy.

Danzy

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Once refugees enter Ireland they should be given priority listing for housing and proper assistance in getting them up to speed in employment, language and finance. Its disgraceful the farce of DP was let carry on for as long as it did.

Over egging the pudding.

You'll be rumbled.

frozenfrozen

if you land here and say the word asylum they should offer them 10 grand in cash and a flight to any country of their choosing. It would be incredible value for money

KiKi III

Higgins5473 wrote: »

that's irrelevant to what I am asking, they have announced DP is being abolished and replaced with this new policy which they have named "International Protection accommodation policy" which will not be for profit...so what is it? If a new 'policy' is announced surely to god they have a very clear definition of what kind of system will be in place within the policy.

The new government hasn’t even met yet.

There’s probably lots of stuff in the PfG that they’ve agreed on but haven’t worked out the details of yet.

Damien360

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Once refugees enter Ireland they should be given priority listing for housing and proper assistance in getting them up to speed in employment, language and finance. Its disgraceful the farce of DP was let carry on for as long as it did.

there would be a great deal of sense in that statement if we actually dealt with refugees and not just economic migrants with zero qualifications or use to our economy. Refugees are few and far between.

If you have a skill the country requires, no problem, come in and integrate. If you are a genuine refugee, then we should welcome you and you integrate. Become more Irish than the Irish themselves or f**k off.

frozenfrozen

Damien360 wrote: »

there would be a great deal of sense in that statement if we actually dealt with refugees and not just economic migrants with zero qualifications or use to our economy. Refugees are few and far between.

If you have a skill the country requires, no problem, come in and integrate. If you are a genuine refugee, then we should welcome you and you integrate. Become more Irish than the Irish themselves or f**k off.

I know it's poe's law that he could be real, but he's obviously taking that stance in bad faith. Let someone else who really believes free houses for economic migrants be the one you waste your time replying to. He already knows it's mental

Eric Cartman

TomTomTim wrote: »

I thought you were nuts previously, now I'm hoping that you're a troll.

Almost certainly is, theres no way somebody could be that against their own people to even give priority to immigrants

Higgins5473

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Once refugees enter Ireland they should be given priority listing for housing and proper assistance in getting them up to speed in employment, language and finance. Its disgraceful the farce of DP was let carry on for as long as it did.

Yes, and as part of this new policy I would like to suggest a clause be added if no housing is available, you find the first person who currently resides in a house and is the same age and has the same initials as the refugee and you kick them out and the refugee gets their house. This will prevent any type of ghetto areas forming in the suburbs, it will be total pot luck, Ahmed Mamoud 53 years old could end up living on Shrewsbury Road for instance.

Eric Cartman

frozenfrozen wrote: »

if you land here and say the word asylum they should offer them 10 grand in cash and a flight to any country of their choosing. It would be incredible value for money

Its awful that that is the reality, we should pull out of offering asylum altogether, almost all of the claims that arrive here are fake and we’re not the first safe country anyone lands in.

LiquidZeb

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Once refugees enter Ireland they should be given priority listing for housing and proper assistance in getting them up to speed in employment, language and finance. Its disgraceful the farce of DP was let carry on for as long as it did.

And what happens to those who fail or drop out of educational programs? Or fail to learn enough English to hold a conversation at an adequate level for professional employment? Or don't/can't get work?

After all, I assume (perhaps wrongly) that you want these migrants to gain good jobs in the country rather than minimum wage or end up on welfare....

Is there a time-limit for your generosity, and what happens with those who fail to meet standards?

Danzy

frozenfrozen wrote: »

I know it's poe's law that he could be real, but he's obviously taking that stance in bad faith. Let someone else who really believes free houses for economic migrants be the one you waste your time replying to. He already knows it's mental

You have to presume he is not real but there are so many like him now on the modern left that are like that but more vicious and snobby in approach.

God I miss the left when it was somewhat aligned to the average person.

Mad_maxx

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Its awful that that is the reality, we should pull out of offering asylum altogether, almost all of the claims that arrive here are fake and we’re not the first safe country anyone lands in.

the truly destitute could never hope to make it to ireland

Eric Cartman

Mad_maxx wrote: »

the truly destitute could never hope to make it to ireland

We dont even have the workflow and facilities in place to get our own poor educated and keep them away from crime, what hope do we have for anyone who doesnt even have a vauge grasp of the language. By the sheer corelation between poverty and crime, any asylum program is going to result in importing criminals so its not fit for purpose.

Galwayguy35

The Greens will be even more hated when this comes to pass, it will make this country even more attractive for illegals.

iebamm2580

dont see the harm in speeding up the processes as long as those refused are deported but i doubt that will happen.

LiquidZeb

TomTomTim wrote: »

I thought you were nuts previously, now I'm hoping that you're a troll.

What makes me a troll? That I disagree with you?

LiquidZeb

Damien360 wrote: »

there would be a great deal of sense in that statement if we actually dealt with refugees and not just economic migrants with zero qualifications or use to our economy. Refugees are few and far between.

If you have a skill the country requires, no problem, come in and integrate. If you are a genuine refugee, then we should welcome you and you integrate. Become more Irish than the Irish themselves or f**k off.

That's not helping people though. All you're doing is basically pointing a gun at them and forcing them to give up their ethnic or religious identity. It's insanity.

LiquidZeb

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And what happens to those who fail or drop out of educational programs? Or fail to learn enough English to hold a conversation at an adequate level for professional employment? Or don't/can't get work?

After all, I assume (perhaps wrongly) that you want these migrants to gain good jobs in the country rather than minimum wage or end up on welfare....

Is there a time-limit for your generosity, and what happens with those who fail to meet standards?

Then we offer them alternative assistance or programmes.

Galwayguy35

LiquidZeb wrote: »

What makes me a troll? That I disagree with you?

Probably the fact that you think non citizens get first choice on housing when it becomes available.

If thats your opinion its a strange one indeed.

TomTomTim

LiquidZeb wrote: »

What makes me a troll? That I disagree with you?

I'd like to think that only a troll could believe in such a discriminatory practice of putting refugees ahead of natives who are already on the housing list. Maybe I'm being naive, but it seems insane even for a modern day progressive.

Jurgen Klopp

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Once refugees enter Ireland they should be given priority listing for housing

And within a few years you'll be on here wringing the hands when a hard core anti immigration party will finally take a foothold in Ireland. May as well go all out and over turn the anchor baby referendum, really make a job of it and give them a majority government

TomTomTim

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

And within a few years you'll be on here wringing the hands when a hard core anti immigration party will finally take a foothold in Ireland. May as well go all out and over turn the anchor baby referendum, really make a job of it and give them a majority government

These types are completely incapable of thinking about where their ideas lead us in a realistic sense. They honestly believe that everything that they push has a gold paved path to a rainbow.

TuringBot47

TuringBot47 wrote: »

Anyone else think it's ironic they have to draw up a "white paper" ?


Anyways, I don't understand how non-EU citizens get permanent status.
It should be conditional on a periodic review, eg. every 5 years.
If they commit crimes or fail to get a job, then they should be deported.

Its scandalous, they can go back on holidays to these countries they apparently cant stay in for fear of their life, commit fraud and crimes and it's not revoked.

And tbh the same conditions should apply to EU citizens, you get temporary welfare support and after that you're going home.
You commit any crimes you're deported after your sentence.
I wouldn't move abroad and expect another country's welfare system to fund my life, I'd be booking a flight home once my job ended.

biko

Green politicians are well known all over Europe for putting other people above their own citizens.
Tbh, they have more policies on social justice than the environment.

Beechwoodspark

Regularly hear people say abolish direct provision

It’s almost a catchphrase these days

I’m thinking - right ok... what do you replace it with?

Is it simply close down the centers and put all the asylum seekers onto the housing lists??

Eric Cartman

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Regularly hear people say abolish direct provision

It’s almost a catchphrase these days

I’m thinking - right ok... what do you replace it with?

Is it simply close down the centers and put all the asylum seekers onto the housing lists??

Thats exactly what they want, let them all in , foist them upon rural ireland and then supress all the negative stories that come along

Clarence Boddiker

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Regularly hear people say abolish direct provision

It’s almost a catchphrase these days

I’m thinking - right ok... what do you replace it with?

Is it simply close down the centers and put all the asylum seekers onto the housing lists??

Yes

Well to be exact, to close down the centres and place anyone claiming to be a refugee directly into individual housing, whilst the native suckers languish on housing lists.

suicide_circus

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Is it simply close down the centers and put all the asylum seekers onto the housing lists??

that's usually the gist if it yeah.

Beechwoodspark

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Once refugees enter Ireland they should be given priority listing for housing and proper assistance in getting them up to speed in employment, language and finance. Its disgraceful the farce of DP was let carry on for as long as it did.

Priority you say ?

Priority over who?

LiquidZeb

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Then we offer them alternative assistance or programmes.

Such as?

See, the problem I have with opinions like yours is that they're all so vague and without any boundaries/limits. So... give some details.

LiquidZeb

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Such as?

See, the problem I have with opinions like yours is that they're all so vague and without any boundaries/limits. So... give some details.

If someone wants to be a doctor, help them be a doctor, if someone wants to be an engineer help them. We need to subsidize their education and help them and their families build lives rather than leaving them to their own devices. There's enough to go around for everyone.

LiquidZeb

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Priority you say ?

Priority over who?

They're more in need and their situation is much more dire. They need our help for God's sake.

frozenfrozen

anyone who takes the bait deserves the next 15 pages of horse ****

LiquidZeb

frozenfrozen wrote: »

anyone who takes the bait deserves the next 15 pages of horse ****

So you'd rather dismiss me than debate me? I guess thinking hurts does it?

Dyr

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I’m thinking - right ok... what do you replace it with?

Spike Island.

Yellow_Fern

KiKi III wrote: »

The main issue is that right now the centres are run for profit by private companies and now they won’t be. There’s something like €260 put aside for every asylum seeker every week right now, of which €220 goes to the private company and the person gets €39 to live off.

I think you are misinformed. If local authorities have to feed and house them, all the staff still have to be paid. There is no reason to think a state outfit is going to be more efficient than a private. Its outsourced to private companies to save money.

Kermit.de.frog

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Once refugees enter Ireland they should be given priority listing for housing and proper assistance in getting them up to speed in employment, language and finance. Its disgraceful the farce of DP was let carry on for as long as it did.

Anyone coming to this country whether asylum seeker or economic migrant should never have priority over Irish people for access to state housing.

If we start from that basic principle and send that message out we'll have less people coming here who's only purpose are to abuse this country and more genuine applicants.

The 90 + % "cock and bull cases" Michael McDowell referred to when he was in office.

suicide_circus

LiquidZeb wrote: »

If someone wants to be a doctor, help them be a doctor, if someone wants to be an engineer help them. We need to subsidize their education and help them and their families build lives rather than leaving them to their own devices. There's enough to go around for everyone.

Engineers and Doctors emigrate here constantly from outside the EU, their skills are in high demand and they can get a visa to come here.

People using the asylum process to come here, having past up at least one (probably multiple) safe countries en route don't chose Ireland for it's medical or engineering courses. In any case, if their asylum application is successful, or they are given leave to remain, they will have access to education.

LiquidZeb

Bambi wrote: »

Spike Island.

What a disgusting thing to say. You should be bloody ashamed.

Muahahaha

It wont matter if the DP centres are closed down as they will still have to be paid for- many are on 20 year contracts that were only renewed a few years ago. This will cost the state millions all the while on top now theyll be going renting 2000 euro a month apartments to house them elsewhere. The Greens are not in government a wet day and theyre already flushing money down the toilet.

Rockbeast2

frozenfrozen wrote: »

anyone who takes the bait deserves the next 15 pages of horse ****

There was an interesting theory proposed last week that there may be some visitors here from "far-right" sites masquerading as "far-lefties" in the hope of motivating people a little further to "the right" in the face of such ridiculous and intransigent views. That poster may have been on to something.