Sectarianism in the Republic of Ireland

contactbackup · 21-02-2015 3:12pm #1

*sorry...it was put in the wrong place by mistake

This partially about sectarianism but also about general anti British sentiment in Ireland.
As a British national of Irish Heritage I encounter casual sectarianism/racism in Ireland fairly often mainly in the form of snide comments, impersonation of my southern English accent or just blatantly being ignored in shops/bars when trying to go about my daily business.

With the amount of Irish who again have moved with children to the UK due to the recession and will mostly return with differing accents, I was wondering does the posters here believe it to be an issue here and do they perceive it to be getting better or worse?

I must add that I found English people who have regional accents seem to fair slightly better over here..why is that?

donvito99 · 21-02-2015 3:15pm

It's as much an issue as the "snide comments, impersonation of my southern Irish accent" that Irish people encounter when they travel to the UK.

Across these isles there are thousands of gob****es. It's what unites us.

contactbackup · 21-02-2015 3:16pm

donvito99 wrote: »

It's as much an issue as the "snide comments, impersonation of my southern Irish accent" that Irish people encounter when they travel to the UK.

Across these isles there are thousands of gob****es. It's what unites us.

I never noticed that in the south of England but I am sure it is there. Here is is everywhere.

Menas · 21-02-2015 3:17pm

My wife is english. She has never encountered any issues over here.
Perhaps it is just you?

21-02-2015 3:18pm

I'm English, with an obvious London accent. It's not racism when you're the same race but at worst I've had my accent slagged. I've also had my accent complimented.

Once or twice I've had some stupid and historically inaccurate stab made at holding me accountable for the old 800 years of oppression, but usually by drunks who just want to insult someone.

It's not an issue in my experience, and I've never been refused service in Ireland.

contactbackup · 21-02-2015 3:18pm

Trigger Happy wrote: »

My wife is english. She has never encountered any issues over here.
Perhaps it is just you?

Does she have a regional accent. I find they fair better. Geordie, Scouse, Manc.

Menas · 21-02-2015 3:20pm

contactbackup wrote: »

Does she have a regional accent. I find they fair better. Geordie, Scouse, Manc.

No, BBC english.

contactbackup · 21-02-2015 3:20pm

Candie wrote: »

I'm English, with an obvious London accent. It's not racism when you're the same race but at worst I've had my accent slagged. I've also had my accent complimented.

Once or twice I've had some stupid and historically inaccurate stab made at holding me accountable for the old 800 years of oppression, but usually by drunks who just want to insult someone.

It's not an issue in my experience, and I've never been refused service in Ireland.

I also have never been refused service. Its just the nature of the service. I tend to prefer foreign nationals now if they are doing such jobs.

21-02-2015 3:23pm

contactbackup wrote: »

I also have never been refused service. Its just the nature of the service. I tend to prefer foreign nationals now if they are doing such jobs.

Maybe your own xenophobia is biting you on the ass there.

I've never had poor service that I can attribute to my nationality.

contactbackup · 21-02-2015 3:23pm

Trigger Happy wrote: »

No, BBC english.

She speaks in a 1950's BBC tone....wonderful.

I was raised in Surrey and am sick of the references like "oh he wants the cricket on barman" and the comments about me taking a weeks morning for Margret Thatchers funeral.

I was working with the RAF many years but information like that I tend to keep very quiet when in social circles.

21-02-2015 3:33pm

contactbackup wrote: »

She speaks in a 1950's BBC tone....wonderful.

I was raised in Surrey and am sick of the references like "oh he wants the cricket on barman" and the comments about me taking a weeks morning for Margret Thatchers funeral.

I was working with the RAF many years but information like that I tend to keep very quiet when in social circles.

Irish culture is all about the light hearted abuse. People generally take a bit of slagging in the spirit it's intended, and perhaps your perception of the intent behind the jokes needs a bit of adjustment.

The good news is that if you genuinely feel that you're being unfairly picked on to the extent that you prefer to be served by foreign nationals when out and about, that the option to move back to the UK is there for you.

suicide_circus · 21-02-2015 3:38pm

EIGHTHUNDREDYEARSAMIRITE!?

pablomakaveli · 21-02-2015 3:39pm

contactbackup wrote: »

*sorry...it was put in the wrong place by mistake

This partially about sectarianism but also about general anti British sentiment in Ireland.
As a British national of Irish Heritage I encounter casual sectarianism/racism in Ireland fairly often mainly in the form of snide comments, impersonation of my southern English accent or just blatantly being ignored in shops/bars when trying to go about my daily business.

With the amount of Irish who again have moved with children to the UK due to the recession and will mostly return with differing accents, I was wondering does the posters here believe it to be an issue here and do they perceive it to be getting better or worse?

I must add that I found English people who have regional accents seem to fair slightly better over here..why is that?

You poor delicate flower. It's not like i have people mimicing my accent and saying "potato" to me every five minutes or making jokes about me blowing up stuff. Oh wait i do. Difference being i dont start a thread towhinge about it.

The Brits dish it out more to us than we do to them. I wish we'd take the piss out of them more when they're in Ireland.

contactbackup · 21-02-2015 3:42pm

Candie wrote: »

Irish culture is all about the light hearted abuse. People generally take a bit of slagging in the spirit it's intended, and perhaps your perception of the intent behind the jokes needs a bit of adjustment.

The good news is that if you genuinely feel that you're being unfairly picked on to the extent that you prefer to be served by foreign nationals when out and about, that the option to move back to the UK is there for you.

I have many Irish friends here and a fiancee. I do enjoy the country. My reference to the foreign nationals was mainly aimed at service industry work such as bar persons. If I swore more or cared who Wayne Rooney played for I'd far much better in their exchanges I suspect.

I'm not sure a return to blighty is on the cards in the near future but we are exploring other options such as a return to the Caribbean where we met.

contactbackup · 21-02-2015 3:43pm

Candie wrote: »

Irish culture is all about the light hearted abuse. People generally take a bit of slagging in the spirit it's intended, and perhaps your perception of the intent behind the jokes needs a bit of adjustment.

The good news is that if you genuinely feel that you're being unfairly picked on to the extent that you prefer to be served by foreign nationals when out and about, that the option to move back to the UK is there for you.

I have many Irish friends here and a fiancee. I do enjoy the country. My reference to the foreign nationals was mainly aimed at service industry work such as bar persons. If I swore more or cared who Wayne Rooney played for I'd fair much better in their exchanges I suspect.

I'm not sure a return to blighty is on the cards in the near future but we are exploring other options such as a return to the Caribbean where we met.

suicide_circus · 21-02-2015 3:43pm

pablomakaveli wrote: »

You poor delicate flower. It's not like i have people mimicing my accent and saying "potato" to me every five minutes or making jokes about me blowing up stuff. Oh wait i do. Difference being i dont start a thread towhinge about it.

The Brits dish it out more to us than we do to them. I wish we'd take the piss out of them more when they're in Ireland.

Facking Paddy Cant.

Kevhog1988 · 21-02-2015 3:46pm

Working in slough at the moment... Digging across a major road crossing as we speak. Did one last weekend and was out until 9pm.... Main contractors supervisor "you can't beat the hungry paddys for this work" .

contactbackup · 21-02-2015 3:47pm

pablomakaveli wrote: »

You poor delicate flower. It's not like i have people mimicing my accent and saying "potato" to me every five minutes or making jokes about me blowing up stuff. Oh wait i do. Difference being i dont start a thread towhinge about it.

The Brits dish it out more to us than we do to them. I wish we'd take the piss out of them more when they're in Ireland.

You sound a classy chap.

Donkey Oaty · 21-02-2015 3:47pm

contactbackup wrote: »

If I swore more or cared who Wayne Rooney played for I'd far much better in their exchanges I suspect.

Any mention of Wayne Rooney will inevitably lead to a discussion of potatoes, which Irish people do not like being mentioned under any circumstances.

21-02-2015 3:47pm

contactbackup wrote: »

If I swore more or cared who Wayne Rooney played for I'd fair much better in their exchanges I suspect.

How come I don't swear or care about Wayne Rooney, or even drink for that matter, and I don't get the treatment you complain of? I think it's a question of perception.

Lapin · 21-02-2015 3:48pm

It's not a sectarian thing OP. Or even an anti Home Counties English thing.

Those who react to your accent are just as likely to have a negative attitude on hearing an inner city Dublin accent, or, if they are from Dublin, someone with a Kerry, Limerick, Cavan..... accent.

There are ignorant pricks everywhere. That's all there is to it really.

contactbackup · 21-02-2015 3:48pm

theemigrant wrote: »

Working in slough at the moment... Digging across a major road crossing as we speak. Did one last weekend and was out until 9pm.... Main contractors supervisor "you can't beat the hungry paddys for this work" .

I take it you are trying to be funny. Its not 1976 and I seriously doubt Irish people dig roads much anymore.

21-02-2015 3:49pm

pablomakaveli wrote: »

The Brits dish it out more to us than we do to them. I wish we'd take the piss out of them more when they're in Ireland.

Yeah, great. I'll really appreciate that since I've never made a 'joke' about blowing things up. Don't let that stop you though.

pablomakaveli · 21-02-2015 3:50pm

contactbackup wrote: »

You sound a classy chap.

You sound like someone who cries into their pillow when someone makes fun of them. Go figure.

Hitchens · 21-02-2015 3:51pm

Candie wrote: »

I don't swear or care about Wayne Rooney, or even drink for that matter,

get thee to a nunnery!

Arsemageddon · 21-02-2015 3:52pm

contactbackup wrote: »

I take it you are trying to be funny. Its not 1976 and I seriously doubt Irish people dig roads much anymore.

They do as it happens and there's not a thing wrong with doing it

21-02-2015 3:53pm

Hitchens wrote: »

get thee to a nunnery!

I'm in the nunnery-scullery now, repenting my Englishness and wondering how I'll cope with cricket puns and Margaret Thatcher references.

pablomakaveli · 21-02-2015 3:53pm

Candie wrote: »

Yeah, great. I'll really appreciate that since I've never made a 'joke' about blowing things up. Don't let that stop you though.

I won't. When you've heard the word "potato" in that stupid Keith Lemon for the 500th time this week you kind of don't care.

Maybe I should start walking up to English people and shout "Yorkshire Pudding" in a cockney accent.

The Backwards Man · 21-02-2015 3:54pm

contactbackup wrote: »

I take it you are trying to be funny. Its not 1976 and I seriously doubt Irish people dig roads much anymore.

How do they road crossings in the fancy world you live in? Transponder beams? Levitation? The power of positive thinking?

21-02-2015 3:55pm

pablomakaveli wrote: »

I won't. When you've heard the word "potato" in that stupid Keith Lemon for the 500th time this week you kind of don't care.

Maybe I should start walking up to English people and shout "Yorkshire Pudding" in a cockney accent.

Ah that's ok so. It's perfectly fine to be a bit of a sh!t to random strangers on the off chance that they might be a bit of a sh!t to you.

contactbackup · 21-02-2015 3:56pm

pablomakaveli wrote: »

You sound like someone who cries into their pillow when someone makes fun of them. Go figure.

Do I....funny i am quite the opposite. I raised this issue as returning immigrants will slowly start to return and i was wondering are they prepared for the baggage that comes with their accents here.

pablomakaveli · 21-02-2015 3:57pm

Candie wrote: »

Ah that's ok so. It's perfectly fine to be a bit of a sh!t to random strangers on the off chance that they might be a bit of a sh!t to you.

Yes because i'm actually going to start doing that.

Do i need to start wrapping my posts in sarcasm tags?

pablomakaveli · 21-02-2015 3:59pm

contactbackup wrote: »

Do I....funny i am quite the opposite. I raised this issue as returning immigrants will slowly start to return and i was wondering are they prepared for the baggage that comes with their accents here.

And i'm telling you what happens to someone whose accent carries baggage in the land those returning immigrants are returning from. I deal with it. It's just banter here and it's the same back in Ireland.

21-02-2015 4:00pm

contactbackup wrote: »

Do I....funny i am quite the opposite. I raised this issue as returning immigrants will slowly start to return and i was wondering are they prepared for the baggage that comes with their accents here.

You seem to have baggage, but you can't extend that to all immigrants.

Again, I'm sorry your experience of intolerance of your accent is causing you such pique, but it's not something I've encountered in significant amounts to bother me. I expect that there are as many like me with nothing to complain about as there are like you, who complain.

crockholm · 21-02-2015 4:00pm

contactbackup wrote: »

I take it you are trying to be funny. Its not 1976 and I seriously doubt Irish people dig roads much anymore.

You start a thread about indigenous making fun of your accent and aiming their ire/jibes at you,and you want us to acknowledge,accecpt and explain this phenomenom to you, while thinking it would be unimaginable were it to happen to non-indigenous people in Southern England even when people just gave you examples of it happening there?

Get over yourself,you are not being persecuted.Happens everywhere in the World- cura te ipsum;)

keeponhurling · 21-02-2015 4:02pm

Do English people get a great reception everywhere else they go, what's the benchmark, like?

Joe prim · 21-02-2015 4:02pm

Trigger Happy wrote: »

No, BBC english.

BBC 1, 2 or HD?

contactbackup · 21-02-2015 4:04pm

keeponhurling wrote: »

Do English people get a great reception everywhere else they go, what's the benchmark, like?

Most places I find the English are generally well received. Unless you are taking about them Geordie shore types to go to Costa Del Sol, They deserve to get some stick.

Donkey Oaty · 21-02-2015 4:18pm

Sometimes it's not the accent, it's the perceived attitude.

Prince Philip is incredibly popular among some people here because he is seen as a kind of anti-establishment figure who doesn't give a flying fark about protocol (even though he is nothing of the sort).

One strategy is to pretend to be American. People will fawn over you.

aido79 · 21-02-2015 4:27pm

contactbackup wrote: »

*sorry...it was put in the wrong place by mistake

This partially about sectarianism but also about general anti British sentiment in Ireland.
As a British national of Irish Heritage I encounter casual sectarianism/racism in Ireland fairly often mainly in the form of snide comments, impersonation of my southern English accent or just blatantly being ignored in shops/bars when trying to go about my daily business.

With the amount of Irish who again have moved with children to the UK due to the recession and will mostly return with differing accents, I was wondering does the posters here believe it to be an issue here and do they perceive it to be getting better or worse?

I must add that I found English people who have regional accents seem to fair slightly better over here..why is that?

Think you might need a spoonful of concrete on your cornflakes..

contactbackup · 21-02-2015 4:31pm

aido79 wrote: »

Think you might need a spoonful of concrete on your cornflakes..

I have no idea what that means. Cornflakes or cereals not my thing.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 21-02-2015 4:32pm

contactbackup wrote: »

Do I....funny i am quite the opposite. I raised this issue as returning immigrants will slowly start to return and i was wondering are they prepared for the baggage that comes with their accents here.

pablomakaveli wrote: »

And i'm telling you what happens to someone whose accent carries baggage in the land those returning immigrants are returning from. I deal with it. It's just banter here and it's the same back in Ireland.

I'm married to an Irish lady, born and raised in the UK. She returned to Ireland with her parents when she was 5 in the '70s, with a discernible english accent.

She would not agree with the idea that pushing and shoving in the playground, being kicked and tripped on the way home from school or being refused service in shops she went to buy sweets and being called an english c*** while waiting for her parents to pick her up from school could be called banter.

It's casual and socially acceptable still in Ireland and it happened in local schools when returned emigrants, who were friends of mine, enrolled their children in schools. It was prevalent in the '70s, '80s, '90s, '00s and it's still prevalent and it's as wrong to carry it out today as it is to dismiss it as banter.

Nodin · 21-02-2015 4:36pm

contactbackup wrote: »

*sorry...it was put in the wrong place by mistake

This partially about sectarianism but also about (.............).why is that?

Given the rest of your posts, I'd say you're making this up. It would not be "sectarianism" either, btw.

contactbackup · 21-02-2015 4:42pm

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

I'm married to an Irish lady, born and raised in the UK. She returned to Ireland with her parents when she was 5 in the '70s, with a discernible english accent.

She would not agree with the idea that pushing and shoving in the playground, being kicked and tripped on the way home from school or being refused service in shops she went to buy sweets and being called an english c*** while waiting for her parents to pick her up from school could be called banter.

It's casual and socially acceptable still in Ireland and it happened in local schools when returned emigrants, who were friends of mine, enrolled their children in schools. It was prevalent in the '70s, '80s, '90s, '00s and it's still prevalent and it's as wrong to carry it out today as it is to dismiss it as banter.

Everything is called banter here. I'm sure the church used that line here too.

reprise · 21-02-2015 4:43pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

EIGHTHUNDREDYEARSAMIRITE!?

aido79 · 21-02-2015 4:43pm

contactbackup wrote: »

I have no idea what that means. Cornflakes or cereals not my thing.

Have you ever heard the expression "harden the fcuk up"? I think you are reading too much into this. I meet alot of English people and get on well with them but there is a huge difference between Irish and English mentalities and humour.

Donkey Oaty · 21-02-2015 4:43pm

contactbackup wrote: »

Everything is called banter here. I'm sure the church used that line here too.

Is your comment about the church "banter" or not? I'm getting confused now.

contactbackup · 21-02-2015 4:44pm

aido79 wrote: »

Have you ever heard the expression "harden the fcuk up"? I think you are reading too much into this. I meet alot of English people and get on well with them but there is a huge difference between Irish and English mentalities and humour.

explain this difference

Menas · 21-02-2015 4:44pm

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

Is your comment about the church "banter" or not? I'm getting confused now.

No, thats the sectarianism aspect to the thread. I am waiting for the racism part.

Eugene Norman · 21-02-2015 4:46pm

contactbackup wrote: »

Everything is called banter here. I'm sure the church used that line here too.

That sounds like sectarianism. You can't really compare this girls situation growing up in the 70's with now. Back then irish kids had a vicious time of it.

You get a bit of banter. Deal with it.

Help!!!! · 21-02-2015 4:49pm

contactbackup wrote: »

She speaks in a 1950's BBC tone....wonderful.

I was raised in Surrey and am sick of the references like "oh he wants the cricket on barman" and the comments about me taking a weeks morning for Margret Thatchers funeral.

I was working with the RAF many years but information like that I tend to keep very quiet when in social circles.

Have you ever heard of banter?

Sectarianism in the Republic of Ireland

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