Julian Assange arrested after Ecuador withdraw asylum

11-04-2019 1:17pm

So it's about equal release of information? Factual leaks aren't ok unless matched by equally damaging content against the opposition.

People who argue this imagine they have access to all information.

sk8erboii · 11-04-2019 1:18pm

nullzero wrote: »

I really shouldn't but I will...

Firstly beginning a post with "Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" is incredibly asinine which given the later content of your post shows a complete lack of self awareness.

I never boiled anything down in any way, I merely posted about something I heard on the radio yesterday that was related to the topic at hand.

Your inept attempt at ridicule backfired well before I posted this reply. People have varying opinions, just because they don't chime with your doesn't mean they are of low intelligence. You need to think a little bit longer about what you're posting.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

‘Inept attempt at ridicule backfired’

What are you on about? Lol yeah it really did some damage.

Stop typing like that though, its coming off as tryhard and schizotypal. The world isnt a binary democrat vs republican comic book story. Please stop injecting american politics.

Dohnjoe · 11-04-2019 1:19pm

Deleted User wrote: »

So it's about equal release of information? Factual leaks aren't ok unless matched by equally damaging content against the opposition.

People who argue this imagine they have access to all information.

The view is that he leaked damaging information and withheld other information - he had specific targets, and little regard for the fallout. It wasn't about principles, it was more about a personal vendetta

Dohnjoe · 11-04-2019 1:20pm

Ok, so apparently the US is going to try and get him on "computer related offences"

TallGlass · 11-04-2019 1:21pm

It was kind of inevitable they would want him out, we are dealing with politicians after all. I think he should have just faced the music sooner.

Straight over the US now like a good man, to be banged up for life.

'Democracy' in action!

Personally if there is anywhere I would like to see him go it's back to Sweden to face them rape charges, which are questionable anyway to be honest.

11-04-2019 1:24pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

I've some magic beans for sale to go with a trumped up charge

bitch was probably asking for it I suppose :rolleyes:

super_furry · 11-04-2019 1:25pm

If he had been extradited originally, he'd probably have been pardonned by now. Chelsea Manning was pardonned by Obama in a final act of clemency for a whistle blower, I doubt his successor will be that kind to a whistle blower

tigger123 · 11-04-2019 1:25pm

He may or may not have started from a principled place, but he certainly ended up as a political saboteur. Plan and simple. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

tigger123 · 11-04-2019 1:26pm

He's also a terrible house guest.

11-04-2019 1:27pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

The view is that he leaked damaging information and withheld other information - he had specific targets, and little regard for the fallout. It wasn't about principles, it was more about a personal vendetta

It doesn't change the argument. People loved him when the releases supported them, and they certainly didn't question the lack of something against themselves during those years.

Facts are facts. It takes a feeble mind to look at the leaker and hate them because it's inconvenient.

Is he politically motivated against the country about to put him in a hole for 40 years? Yeah, we all would be. Doesn't change the facts he released.

Jimbob1977 · 11-04-2019 1:29pm

This will somehow be pinned on Donald Trump

But he was fleeing the Obama administration

Franz Von Peppercorn · 11-04-2019 1:30pm

super_furry wrote: »

If he had been extradited originally, he'd probably have been pardonned by now. Chelsea Manning was pardonned by Obama in a final act of clemency for a whistle blower, I doubt his successor will be that kind to a whistle blower

Surely Trump will protect this Russian asset as a Russian asset himself?

Franz Von Peppercorn · 11-04-2019 1:31pm

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

This will somehow be pinned on Donald Trump

But he was fleeing the Obama administration

To be fair it is the Trump administration that requested extradition today.

Jimbob1977 · 11-04-2019 1:33pm

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

To be fair it is the Trump administration that requested extradition today.

He has been subject to extradition for years now.

Fr_Dougal · 11-04-2019 1:34pm

The U.K. has agreed to not allow his extradition to any country that still has the death penalty, that rules out an extradition to the US.

Pyr0 · 11-04-2019 1:36pm

He'll probably be found dead with 3 bullet holes in the back of his head and it'll be ruled a suicide.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 11-04-2019 1:36pm

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

The U.K. has agreed to not allow his extradition to any country that still has the death penalty, that rules out an extradition to the US.

That is probably only where the death penalty is an option in sentencing, which isn't the case here.

Anyway the US pretty much tells Blighty (and the rest of the world) what to do when it comes to extradition.

Jimbob1977 · 11-04-2019 1:37pm

Pyr0 wrote: »

He'll probably be found dead with 3 bullet holes in the back of his head and it'll be ruled a suicide.

Decapitated while shaving.

Lucy8080 · 11-04-2019 1:37pm

I wonder if Del boy and Rodney realise that Uncle Albert got nicked and it's all over the news?

Bricriu · 11-04-2019 1:37pm

Ecuador will no doubt receive billions now that they have done the Yanks' bidding.

People like Assange are heroes.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 11-04-2019 1:38pm

Pyr0 wrote: »

He'll probably be found dead with 3 bullet holes in the back of his head and it'll be ruled a suicide.

There was a guy in the UK, a spy, who ended up dead in a bag that was padlocked from the outside, and that was ruled a suicide or unsuspicious by the Police.

11-04-2019 1:39pm

He's supposed to be a narcissistic bollox though, isn't he?..

peddlelies · 11-04-2019 1:40pm

Jesus he looks barely recognizable. The partisan hacks sit in glee blissfully ignoring the reality that if the dumps in 2016 went against "the other side" they're be singing his praises.

After the Mueller rubbish this feels like another cop out just to satisfy those who want payback for 2016.

jimgoose · 11-04-2019 1:40pm

Personally I think Assange is a dangerous loose cannon, facilitating as he and his organisation does the unveiling of information that in some cases would be much better not unveiled. Defence of the Realm, eyes-only, and all that sort of thing.

Il Fascista · 11-04-2019 1:44pm

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

There was a guy in the UK, a spy, who ended up dead in a bag that was padlocked from the outside, and that was ruled a suicide or unsuspicious by the Police.

He had supposedly hacked into secret data belonging to Bill Clinton: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3215890/Spy-dead-bag-infuriated-MI6-bosses-illegally-hacking-secret-data-Bill-Clinton.html

Movementarian · 11-04-2019 1:46pm

Bricriu wrote: »

Ecuador will no doubt receive billions now that they have done the Yanks' bidding.

People like Assange are heroes.

People who release information regardless of consequences to other people/countries (in some cases breaching NDA/confidentiality agreements) and then hide away from any responsibility are not heroes.

Mad_maxx · 11-04-2019 1:47pm

Bricriu wrote: »

Ecuador will no doubt receive billions now that they have done the Yanks' bidding.

People like Assange are heroes.

That or they were leaned on heavily, promised some Venezuelan style foreign relations

11-04-2019 1:50pm

Pyr0 wrote: »

He'll probably be found dead with 3 bullet holes in the back of his head and it'll be ruled a suicide.

"Assange passed away of natural causes en route to the USA. His body was hurriedly buried at sea as is Australian custom."

Outlaw Pete · 11-04-2019 1:54pm

Wonder what kind of information WikiLeaks is sitting on, as he has alluded to, particularly in relation to the DNC.

He could threaten that if he is extradited it will trigger the release of certain documents that would embarrass the British Government and chances are that it would as I can't see him not having prepared for the inevitability of his arrest.

ToBeFrank123 · 11-04-2019 1:55pm

Bricriu wrote: »

Ecuador will no doubt receive billions now that they have done the Yanks' bidding.

People like Assange are heroes.

Nonsense. Eduador bent over backwards to help the guy. It didn't help that he turned out to be such an a** and treated his hosts like Sh*t. Maybe if he was a nicer guy, he'd still be in the embassy. He got himself kicked out by not following a couple of basic house rules. Only himself to blame tbh.

ToBeFrank123 · 11-04-2019 1:57pm

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Wonder what kind of information WikiLeaks is sitting on, as he has alluded to, particularly in relation to the DNC.

He could threaten that if he is extradited it will trigger the release of certain documents that would embarrass the British Government and chances are that it would as I can't see him not having prepared for the inevitability of his arrest.

Using blackmail against the government which arrested him. That's going to work...against him....they will put him in the modern equivalent of the "hole" in prison. At least he doesn't have access to the internet in prision!

nullzero · 11-04-2019 1:58pm

sk8erboii wrote: »

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

‘Inept attempt at ridicule backfired’

What are you on about? Lol yeah it really did some damage.

Stop typing like that though, its coming off as tryhard and schizotypal. The world isnt a binary democrat vs republican comic book story. Please stop injecting american politics.

I haven't injected American politics at all, the person I was quoting was an American talking about Hillary Clinton.
You do realise that it is the United States of America that will be extraditing and prosecuting Julian Assange don't you?
This whole affair is intrinsically based around American issues.
If you want to appropriate an anecdote I brought up(which incidentally is very much in line with the topic at hand) as being an attempt to describe the world in terms of a binary comic book story that's just you failing to grasp the basics of the topic at hand.

I've had a look at your post history and your "Zzzzzzzzz" shtick is something you seem to employ somewhat regularly, as is questioning people's IQ.

Might I suggest you worry more about your own IQ and think a little harder about things in future?

Cienciano · 11-04-2019 2:00pm

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

There was a guy in the UK, a spy, who ended up dead in a bag that was padlocked from the outside, and that was ruled a suicide or unsuspicious by the Police.

Il Fascista wrote: »

He had supposedly hacked into secret data belonging to Bill Clinton: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3215890/Spy-dead-bag-infuriated-MI6-bosses-illegally-hacking-secret-data-Bill-Clinton.html

Well, lets take a look then:

Earlier this month, it was revealed that detectives who
investigated the mysterious death believe he was murdered and that his killers
then broke back in through a skylight to cover their tracks

Well then, turns out bullshít claim is bullshít :pac:

jimgoose · 11-04-2019 2:01pm

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Wonder what kind of information WikiLeaks is sitting on, as he has alluded to, particularly in relation to the DNC.

He could threaten that if he is extradited it will trigger the release of certain documents that would embarrass the British Government and chances are that it would as I can't see him not having prepared for the inevitability of his arrest.

Assange is some malcontent little bollix who will come to a very bad end soon enough. He'll end up either at the bottom of the ocean, or sharing a small steel cell in Alabammy with a large black man who likes to be called Tammy.

ohnonotgmail · 11-04-2019 2:04pm

Movementarian wrote: »

People who release information regardless of consequences to other people/countries (in some cases breaching NDA/confidentiality agreements) and then hide away from any responsibility are not heroes.

And especially people who only release information that is damaging to one side. The man is in the pocket of Putin and yet people still call him a hero. Baffling. Is his weasel mate Snowden still hiding in russia?

Gatling · 11-04-2019 2:05pm

Off to Gitmo with ya Julian

Outlaw Pete · 11-04-2019 2:06pm

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Using blackmail against the government which arrested him. That's going to work...against him....

Not talking about blackmail. I'm saying that he could say that if he is extradited all information that he has been sitting on will be released given he is no longer there to see it's not.

..they will put him in the modern equivalent of the "hole" in prison. At least he doesn't have access to the internet in prision!

He wouldn't need access to the Internet if something has already been put in place re: the release of documents should he be extradited.

Christ, have you never watched a Batman movie.

peddlelies · 11-04-2019 2:11pm

This is what he's been extradited for, cracking the encryption on that Helicopter video is part of it.

Maximum of 5 years in prison.

https://twitter.com/PhilipinDC/status/1116326302984888320

mcmoustache · 11-04-2019 2:13pm

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

The U.K. has agreed to not allow his extradition to any country that still has the death penalty, that rules out an extradition to the US.

Are you saying that the UK never extradites to the US? Because I don't think that's true.

If you mean that the UK won't extradite him to the US for charges that could incur the death penalty, then that's something different. We'll know soon enough what he's charged with and whether extradition to the US can be ruled out.

ohnonotgmail · 11-04-2019 2:14pm

Gatling wrote: »

Off to Gitmo with ya Julian

I'd say they are making up his cell as we speak.

ohnonotgmail · 11-04-2019 2:15pm

mcmoustache wrote: »

Are you saying that the UK never extradites to the US? Because I don't think that's true.

If you mean that the UK won't extradite him to the US for charges that could incur the death penalty, then that's something different. We'll know soon enough what he's charged with and whether extradition to the US can be ruled out.

according to the post before yours they are extraditing him for an offence that carries a max sentence of 5 years so that is no bar to his extradition. Of course once they get him over there what they charge him with might suddenly change.

Outlaw Pete · 11-04-2019 2:16pm

Maximum penalty of five years? Welcome to America, Mr. Assange.

peddlelies · 11-04-2019 2:20pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

And especially people who only release information that is damaging to one side. The man is in the pocket of Putin and yet people still call him a hero. Baffling. Is his weasel mate Snowden still hiding in russia?

Who was President when they released the Guantanamo Bay papers or what era was that US army helicopter killing those civilians and journalists from? Bush.

Wikileaks have only been dumping since around 2007, Pres Obama was in office 2008-2016. You're still butthurt over the last election, you can pull one out tonight safe in the knowledge that Assange has been arrested.

Rjd2 · 11-04-2019 2:21pm

Be interesting to see all those who spend so much time moaning about Trump's attack on the supposed free press actually come out and condemn this.

Chances are they won't and we will got the wretched spectacle of supposed progressives cheer on the likes of John Bolton for prosecuting a whistle blower. :rolleyes:

ohnonotgmail · 11-04-2019 2:22pm

peddlelies wrote: »

Who was President when they released the Guantanamo Bay papers or what era was that US army helicopter killing those civilians and journalists from? Bush.

Wikileaks have only been dumping since around 2007, Pres Obama was in office 2008-2016. You're still butthurt over the last election, you can pull one out tonight safe in the knowledge that Assange has been arrested.

why are trump supporters so horribly aggressive?

ohnonotgmail · 11-04-2019 2:23pm

Rjd2 wrote: »

Be interesting to see all those who spend so much time moaning about Trump's attack on the supposed free press actually come out and condemn this.

Chances are they won't and we will got the wretched spectacle of supposed progressives cheer on the likes of John Bolton for prosecuting a whistle blower. :rolleyes:

What is the connection? Assanges journalism died a long time ago. He was a partisan hack in the pocket of putin.

peddlelies · 11-04-2019 2:27pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

why are trump supporters so horribly aggressive?

What you said about only releasing damaging info on one side is categorically incorrect and now you're playing the victim, jog on. If 2016 was reversed you'd be saying how awful Trump is for going after a journalist.

archer22 · 11-04-2019 2:28pm

Zorya wrote: »

What with Chelsea Manning in jail and Assange now arrested it is clear that whistle blowers are not welcome. We do not really live in democracies at all.

Correct...what we really live in are Gangsterocracies, and the hoods always make sure they get those who squeal on them.

It makes others who might be thinking of doing the same stop and think twice about it.

ohnonotgmail · 11-04-2019 2:28pm

peddlelies wrote: »

What you said about only releasing damaging info on one side is categorically incorrect and now you're playing the victim, jog on. If 2016 was reversed you'd be saying how awful Trump is for going after a journalist.

He is a putin shill and nothing more.

peddlelies · 11-04-2019 2:32pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

He is a putin shill and nothing more.

So you're not going to state that what you said about releasing damaging info "on the other side" is incorrect. Morals, who needs them right? Along as they get the guy you don't like nothing else really matters. How morally astute.

Julian Assange arrested after Ecuador withdraw asylum

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