Strokestown Mod Note in Post #4461

blueythebear · 10-01-2019 11:19pm

keavebm wrote: »

Beat up innocent people while the guards looked on. If u read this thread from the start you would know.

Any evidence of beating up? I don't see that on the video. I also don't see the security guys getting arrested for anything?

christy c · 10-01-2019 11:39pm

keavebm wrote: »

Beat up innocent people while the guards looked on. If u read this thread from the start you would know.

Can't say I've read it all but have read the majority of the thread. Didn't see anyone beaten up on the video, saw a few people defying a court order.

Brendan Bendar · 10-01-2019 11:42pm

Net beginning to close.....

christy c · 10-01-2019 11:42pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Do you mean people hired by the banks to carry out a legal eviction? You do know that people cannot stay forever in homes without paying for said home?

Exactly, I'm asking that poster what crimes the people hired by the banks committed- I didn't see any.

BattleCorp · 11-01-2019 9:17am

keavebm wrote: »

Beat up innocent people while the guards looked on. If u read this thread from the start you would know.

Firstly, your definition of 'beat up' is very different to many peoples. Nobody got beaten up apart from the security guards a few days after the eviction. Yes, people were manhandled out of the premises when they wouldn't leave peacefully. The necessary amount of force was used to remove them. I wouldn't consider what happened to be an excessive use of force and it certainly wasn't a 'beaten up' scenario.

Secondly, the people there weren't innocent. They were occupying property that was no longer theirs. Some of the people there didn't even live there at the time. They were in breach of a High Court order. They were trying to obstruct the sheriff from carrying out his normal lawful duties.

Brendan Bendar · 11-01-2019 9:19am

christy c wrote: »

Exactly, I'm asking that poster what crimes the people hired by the banks committed- I didn't see any.

And you won’t because the eviction was properly carried out.

keavebm · 11-01-2019 11:02am

BattleCorp wrote:

Firstly, your definition of 'beat up' is very different to many peoples. Nobody got beaten up apart from the security guards a few days after the eviction. Yes, people were manhandled out of the premises when they wouldn't leave peacefully. The necessary amount of force was used to remove them. I wouldn't consider what happened to be an excessive use of force and it certainly wasn't a 'beaten up' scenario.

Manhandled! People with blood and cuts on there face. Good old Ireland again. We didnt lay a finger on him we only manhandled him. So how do you explain the cuts and blood on his face? Plus the video that showed these thugs hitting another man. Manhandled me ****in hole

blueythebear · 11-01-2019 11:07am

keavebm wrote: »

Manhandled! People with blood and cuts on there face. Good old Ireland again. We didnt lay a finger on him we only manhandled him. So how do you explain the cuts and blood on his face? Plus the video that showed these thugs hitting another man. Manhandled me ****in hole

Cuts and blood on his face because he was resisting and had to be restrained. Gardai on scene did not intervene as they clearly thought the force used was ok. You resist being removed from somewhere you're likely to be injured. Lets not forget he was resisting the sheriff in execution of a high court order.

There's nothing on the video that shows security guys hitting anyone. You're completely making that up

ohnonotgmail · 11-01-2019 11:14am

blueythebear wrote: »

Cuts and blood on his face because he was resisting and had to be restrained. Gardai on scene did not intervene as they clearly thought the force used was ok. You resist being removed from somewhere you're likely to be injured. Lets not forget he was resisting the sheriff in execution of a high court order.

There's nothing on the video that shows security guys hitting anyone. You're completely making that up

I am still in shock from the picture of the awful injury that one of the people received. I have never seen anything so horrific.

Timberrrrrrrr · 11-01-2019 11:26am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I am still in shock from the picture of the awful injury that one of the people received. I have never seen anything so horrific.

The knee injury?

Must have taken at least 2 days to heal, not seen a booboo like that since my son fell off his skateboard back in 04

blueythebear · 11-01-2019 11:29am

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

The knee injury?

Must have taken at least 2 days to heal, not seen a booboo like that since my son fell off his skateboard back in 04

Yeah that was pretty bad. I can see that a sustained beating with baseball bats would be an appropriate response to his injury. He may have needed a plaster. Won't somebody think of his slightly scraped knee

keavebm · 11-01-2019 12:25pm

blueythebear wrote:

There's nothing on the video that shows security guys hitting anyone. You're completely making that up

One of the videos there is a man been struck by one of these people while another man in black is trying to block him recording

Timberrrrrrrr · 11-01-2019 12:27pm

keavebm wrote: »

One of the videos there is a man been struck by one of these people while another man in black is trying to block him recording

Link to this please?

BattleCorp · 11-01-2019 12:51pm

keavebm wrote: »

One of the videos there is a man been struck by one of these people while another man in black is trying to block him recording

I've watched what was posted online and I didn't see anything of that nature.

But yeah, completely ignore the fact that bank/agency now own the property and the other people there were in breach of a High Court order and tried their best to obstruct the lawful activities of the sheriff.

How else do you get people to leave when they are illegally occupying someone else's property if they won't go peacefully? You need to use some level of force if they won't go of their own free will. You can't cuddle them out of the property.

The guards witnessed the eviction and they didn't intervene because they believed that the security company were acting within the remit of the law.

blueythebear · 11-01-2019 12:54pm

keavebm wrote: »

One of the videos there is a man been struck by one of these people while another man in black is trying to block him recording

That is not shown in the video at all. If you want to say the time on the video that we see any of the protesters getting punched I'll happily accede that I'm wrong. But I have seen the video and there are no punches thrown other than some half asset ones by one of the protestors

archer22 · 11-01-2019 12:55pm

keavebm wrote: »

One of the videos there is a man been struck by one of these people while another man in black is trying to block him recording

Any videos of the Sunday morning incident...the one where people going about their lawful employment were attacked with baseball bats and their Dog brutally killed with an Axe.

BattleCorp · 11-01-2019 12:56pm

archer22 wrote: »

Any videos of the Sunday morning incident...the one where people going about their lawful employment were attacked with baseball bats and their Dog brutally killed with an Axe.

And the illegal burning of vehicles too.

weldoninhio · 11-01-2019 1:16pm

keavebm wrote: »

One of the videos there is a man been struck by one of these people while another man in black is trying to block him recording

When it comes to arguments, if you’re lying you’re losing.

Naos · 11-01-2019 2:23pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

When it comes to arguments, if you’re lying you’re losing.

Especially when you're lying about video evidence.

Brendan Bendar · 11-01-2019 3:00pm

Another dude arrested now, this is ramping up.

NIMAN · 11-01-2019 3:56pm

Donegal man.

Jez, he went some distance to sort out those eviction guys!

Brendan Bendar · 11-01-2019 4:25pm

NIMAN wrote: »

Donegal man.

Jez, he went some distance to sort out those eviction guys!

Resistance don’t worry ‘bout distance,bro.

end of the road · 11-01-2019 4:48pm

blueythebear wrote: »

Cuts and blood on his face because he was resisting and had to be restrained. Gardai on scene did not intervene as they clearly thought the force used was ok. You resist being removed from somewhere you're likely to be injured. Lets not forget he was resisting the sheriff in execution of a high court order.

There's nothing on the video that shows security guys hitting anyone. You're completely making that up

as i see it, there was no resisting as it was a private security company carrying out the eviction. what happened would only be resisting if it was the gardai carrying out the eviction. if a hired goon manhandles someone then they are entitled to resist that as they are all civilians. only if one resists the gardai arresting them is there a problem.

BattleCorp · 11-01-2019 5:03pm

end of the road wrote: »

as i see it, there was no resisting as it was a private security company carrying out the eviction. what happened would only be resisting if it was the gardai carrying out the eviction. if a hired goo manhandles someone then they are entitled to resist that as they are all civilians. only if one resists the gardai arresting them is there a problem.

You are seeing it incorrectly.

If what you say is correct, then every bouncer in the country carries out illegal activities every weekend.

Also, it's not the Gardaí's job to carry out evictions for the bank/finance firms. It's perfectly legal to employ private security firms to do this function.

Lefty Bicek · 11-01-2019 5:19pm

end of the road wrote: »

...if a hired goo manhandles someone...

Then it gets messy...

11-01-2019 5:26pm

Lefty Bicek wrote: »

Then it gets messy...

It says “goo” not “poo”

blueythebear · 11-01-2019 5:52pm

end of the road wrote: »

as i see it, there was no resisting as it was a private security company carrying out the eviction. what happened would only be resisting if it was the gardai carrying out the eviction. if a hired goo manhandles someone then they are entitled to resist that as they are all civilians. only if one resists the gardai arresting them is there a problem.

You may see it that way but the law sees otherwise. Those excuses will not wash if you were to punch a bouncer ejecting you from a bar, for example

Lefty Bicek · 11-01-2019 6:02pm

Deleted User wrote: »

It says “goo” not “poo”

Maryanne ! ! !

I'd say you know more than your prayers.

:D

facehugger99 · 11-01-2019 6:06pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I am still in shock from the picture of the awful injury that one of the people received. I have never seen anything so horrific.

Apparently the doctors recommend a radical medial treatment whereby his Mummy had to kiss it better.

Brendan Bendar · 11-01-2019 6:50pm

BattleCorp wrote: »

You are seeing it incorrectly.

If what you say is correct, then every bouncer in the country carries out illegal activities every weekend.

Also, it's not the Gardaí's job to carry out evictions for the bank/finance firms. It's perfectly legal to employ private security firms to do this function.

Nothing unusual there, Battle.

JCJCJC · 11-01-2019 8:52pm

end of the road wrote: »

as i see it, there was no resisting as it was a private security company carrying out the eviction. what happened would only be resisting if it was the gardai carrying out the eviction. if a hired goon manhandles someone then they are entitled to resist that as they are all civilians. only if one resists the gardai arresting them is there a problem.

If your vision is that bad you need a trip to Specsavers. It was a Court Messenger who was executing a lawful warrant, assisted by security company personnel who, in that role, are bailiffs. The idiots obstructing the repossession deserved all they got and more. It was done as well as it could have been, given the obstruction, a cut knee and a nosebleed is nothing.

gctest50 · 11-01-2019 9:00pm

JCJCJC wrote: »

...............

The idiots obstructing the repossession deserved all they got and more. ............

Any chance they were powered by this lot somehow ?

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057944886/

dunno like

end of the road · 11-01-2019 10:28pm

JCJCJC wrote: »

If your vision is that bad you need a trip to Specsavers. It was a Court Messenger who was executing a lawful warrant, assisted by security company personnel who, in that role, are bailiffs. The idiots obstructing the repossession deserved all they got and more. It was done as well as it could have been, given the obstruction, a cut knee and a nosebleed is nothing.

the court messenger was able to carry out the warrent and was not from what i saw in the video obstructed. actually i'm unsure if it has been confirmed that a security company can automatically be declared bailiffs just by assisting the sheriff. even if they could it doesn't matter to me, i still believe that people supposibly resisting them isn't a problem compared to resisting the gardai carrying out it's duties. those supposibly obstructing did not deserve all they got as what i believe to be hired mersinaries doing whatever is not the same as the gards manhandling or using force when carrying out it's duties.

JCJCJC · 11-01-2019 10:38pm

end of the road wrote: »

the court messenger was able to carry out the warrent and was not from what i saw in the video obstructed. actually i'm unsure if it has been confirmed that a security company can automatically be declared bailiffs just by assisting the sheriff. even if they could it doesn't matter to me, i still believe that people supposibly resisting them isn't a problem compared to resisting the gardai carrying out it's duties. those supposibly obstructing did not deserve all they got as what i believe to be hired mersinaries doing whatever is not the same as the gards manhandling or using force when carrying out it's duties.

You don’t strike me as someone overburdened with too much education.

11-01-2019 10:42pm

How very interesting....

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/roscommon-eviction-man-quietly-charged-over-attack-1.3755362

Charged with burglary. Bailed. Back in court next Friday

keavebm · 11-01-2019 10:53pm

JCJCJC wrote:

If your vision is that bad you need a trip to Specsavers. It was a Court Messenger who was executing a lawful warrant, assisted by security company personnel who, in that role, are bailiffs. The idiots obstructing the repossession deserved all they got and more. It was done as well as it could have been, given the obstruction, a cut knee and a nosebleed is nothing.

You mean the baliffs deserved all they got!****in scumbags. **** off back to the north and do their evictions. They know now they aint welcome in the republic. The northerners think they can come down here with there hard men and there wont be any consequences? That day is long gone. Them hard lads from the north wont be down anytime soon

Brendan Bendar · 11-01-2019 11:02pm

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

How very interesting....

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/roscommon-eviction-man-quietly-charged-over-attack-1.3755362

Charged with burglary. Bailed. Back in court next Friday

Cops just making sure the charges stick- not like Jobstown.

LessOutragePlz · 11-01-2019 11:31pm

keavebm wrote: »

You mean the baliffs deserved all they got!****in scumbags. **** off back to the north and do their evictions. They know now they aint welcome in the republic. The northerners think they can come down here with there hard men and there wont be any consequences? That day is long gone. Them hard lads from the north wont be down anytime soon

Yes because vigilante justice is always the answer and we should let everyone take the law into their own hands:rolleyes:

jay0109 · 11-01-2019 11:33pm

Have any names being released yet of those charged?

blueythebear · 12-01-2019 12:04am

end of the road wrote: »

the court messenger was able to carry out the warrent and was not from what i saw in the video obstructed. actually i'm unsure if it has been confirmed that a security company can automatically be declared bailiffs just by assisting the sheriff. even if they could it doesn't matter to me, i still believe that people supposibly resisting them isn't a problem compared to resisting the gardai carrying out it's duties. those supposibly obstructing did not deserve all they got as what i believe to be hired mersinaries doing whatever is not the same as the gards manhandling or using force when carrying out it's duties.

The video clearly shows people on the property, who are not the owners and refusing to leave...guess what happens if the gardai removed these people? The facebook morons would be out in force screaming about the gardai being private security for the banks.

blueythebear · 12-01-2019 12:11am

keavebm wrote: »

You mean the baliffs deserved all they got!****in scumbags. **** off back to the north and do their evictions. They know now they aint welcome in the republic. The northerners think they can come down here with there hard men and there wont be any consequences? That day is long gone. Them hard lads from the north wont be down anytime soon

If you have to evict someone because they refuse to pay, or engage....Then you need security guards. When no company in Ireland will do this, you logically go to the next nearest jurisdiction.

It's unfortunate that some people are still hung up about famine time evictions, particularly because they happened several generations ago. The historical significance is not lost on me but it makes no difference. The eviction had to happen in this case

Mrs cockett · 12-01-2019 12:14am

But the fact remains the McGanns are still in the house, And where are the next security guards going to come from to evict them

blueythebear · 12-01-2019 12:19am

Mrs cockett wrote: »

But the fact remains the McGanns are still in the house, And where are the next security guards going to come from to evict them

The next security guards will be a gang of gardai executing attachment and committal orders from the high court, arresting anyone in the property

fullstop · 12-01-2019 12:35am

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

The knee injury?

Must have taken at least 2 days to heal, not seen a booboo like that since my son fell off his skateboard back in 04

He got a plaster at the doctor's and a sticker saying 'I was a brave boy at the doctor today'

fullstop · 12-01-2019 12:41am

JCJCJC wrote: »

You don’t strike me as someone overburdened with too much education.

A very succinct summation of eotr's ramblings on all these types of threads, frankly. Kudos.

end of the road · 12-01-2019 3:48am

blueythebear wrote: »

The video clearly shows people on the property, who are not the owners and refusing to leave...guess what happens if the gardai removed these people? The facebook morons would be out in force screaming about the gardai being private security for the banks.

so be it, i can live with it. it's preferable to the current situation.

12-01-2019 4:17am

Mrs cockett wrote: »

But the fact remains the McGanns are still in the house, And where are the next security guards going to come from to evict them

Where’s Ireland’s Granny (Anna Kavanagh) when you need her?

Questioning sacred Cows · 12-01-2019 5:07am

The problem was the way in which that farming family in Strokestown were dealt with. I think this has started off a movement to stop people being forced off their land or out of their house.

The little people are fighting back.

aido79 · 12-01-2019 5:25am

blueythebear wrote: »

That is not shown in the video at all. If you want to say the time on the video that we see any of the protesters getting punched I'll happily accede that I'm wrong. But I have seen the video and there are no punches thrown other than some half asset ones by one of the protestors

I'm just waiting for someone to come along saying that Leo editted the video.

aido79 · 12-01-2019 5:34am

fullstop wrote: »

A very succinct summation of eotr's ramblings on all these types of threads, frankly. Kudos.

THANKS!!

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