All Together Now 2020

Eod100 · 02-04-2020 10:57am

Well he is 73 this month so wouldn't be too surprising if he pulled out whether it went ahead or not.

POD haven't cancelled Forbidden Fruit which is on late next month so say decision might not be made for a while

RINO87 · 03-04-2020 11:42am

SweetCaliber wrote: »

The final payment was taken on the 30th March, well mine was anyways!

Oddly enough my delivery method is Mail, pretty sure I opted for eTickets at the checkout.

Anyhow, if it is mail, how long before the event do the tickets come out? Nice to physically have them in hand if/if not it goes ahead.

Not sure on that one... I asked the same last week as I bought mine when they came out, and still don't have them altho Im pretty sure I didnt have them this early for previous years either,

fish_fingers · 03-04-2020 11:44am

RINO87 wrote: »

Not sure on that one... I asked the same last week as I bought mine when they came out, and still don't have them altho Im pretty sure I didnt have them this early for previous years either,

Some tickets have gone out. I paid for mine in full when they first went on sale. I got hard copy tickets some weeks later I believe. Anyway, I have the tickets about 4 or 5 months now I think.

dav09 · 03-04-2020 2:43pm

I really feel for POD at the moment, being an independent promoter and doing a great job over the years with their gigs and events. If hypothetically, All Together Now did get the go-ahead in August, would moving/ delaying Forbidden Fruit (which I can't see going ahead in June) to the same weekend as ATN make any sense just for this year, sharing some acts? They often had acts from FF back later in the year to ATN, and either way both festivals will probably lose some international acts, and would probably save money if it doesn't negatively impact either festival. I can see there being different demographics for both festivals and are in separate parts of the country. Right now I reckon most companies are in survival mode, and would hate to see POD going under as it may leave a bleak future having one of the largest promoters go under due to these unfortunate events.

phantom_lord · 09-04-2020 7:23pm

I'd be surprised if this goes ahead. Has anyone been in contact with podpads or tangerine fields? I'm guessing they've already been involved in festivals that have been cancelled. Have they been offering refunds?

Doesn't sound promising

Cancellations made after 7 days of the time of booking, and before 7 days before the campsite opening: 50% refund will apply.

Please be aware that in the instance of the event or festival being cancelled through no fault of our own (e.g. weather, flood, pandemic, terrorism, earthquake, volcano, strikes, civil disobedience or other such cause) we reserve the right to implement the above cancellation terms.

To cancel your order please follow the update your order details link provided in your order confirmation email.

Once you have cancelled your order online, we will contact you to confirm your refund.

gkhant · 09-04-2020 8:01pm

phantom_lord wrote: »

I'd be surprised if this goes ahead. Has anyone been in contact with podpads or tangerine fields? I'm guessing they've already been involved in festivals that have been cancelled. Have they been offering refunds?

Doesn't sound promising

IF ATN gets cancelled and IF Podpads tried to pull that stunt of a 50% refund only, personally I'd go apes**t at them and would vow never to go near them again! I'd hope all Irish festival goers would do the same.

Eod100 · 09-04-2020 8:09pm

phantom_lord wrote: »

I'd be surprised if this goes ahead. Has anyone been in contact with podpads or tangerine fields? I'm guessing they've already been involved in festivals that have been cancelled. Have they been offering refunds?

Doesn't sound promising

It might not be through no fault of their own but hardly customers fault either. Don't see why they would get to keep 50% for a service they didn't provide tbh. If government doesn't allow mass gatherings might mean their insurance could cover it. I think they would be screwing themselves over if they did too, could damage their reputation and make less income in long term as a result.

phantom_lord · 09-04-2020 9:07pm

gkhant wrote: »

IF ATN gets cancelled and IF Podpads tried to pull that stunt of a 50% refund only, personally I'd go apes**t at them and would vow never to go near them again! I'd hope all Irish festival goers would do the same.

not much choice in the market though

Eod100 · 09-04-2020 9:12pm

phantom_lord wrote: »

not much choice in the market though

Or your own tent and a blow up mattress or campervan or hotel. For what they charge I don't think it's worth it tbh but yeah know its a fairly cornered market if you're going with it.

SoundOfSilence · 10-04-2020 7:42am

To be fair, if they covered it in their T&Cs, their arse is covered... no matter how stingy it is.

Also regardless how many people vow to never use their services, they'll be sold out next year too.

Basq · 10-04-2020 8:46am

I wouldn't worry about those TangerineFields T&C's..

.. SeeTickets (who sell for Glastonbury) had similar T&C's.

RINO87 · 10-04-2020 12:32pm

Granted - I have never used them, but the more and more I hear about this tangerine fields and podpads crowd really really makes me question why anyone would hand over their hard earned cash to them. Money grabbers providing a poor service.

I know it's impossible for some people, but if you can, just invest in a decent trolley and bring your own stuff!! Or has been mentioned chip in with mates for a caravan or whatever, don't give these vultures money!!

.....imo

edit - my line "I know it's impossible for some people" made me think - are there provisions made at any festivals for those that may be mobility restricted?

phantom_lord · 10-04-2020 3:46pm

If it was called off a few days before the festival, and they had done all the logistics, I could understand them not giving a full refund. But with this much notice they've no excuses.

They haven't replied to my email yet anyway.

Blackie_IRL · 12-04-2020 12:06pm

I think that podpads t&c means if festival is cancelled within 7 stays of it starting. They need to cover logistic costs. If ATN is cancelled it will be announced well in advance. I think there is still a bit of wait and see going on and organisers need to see what government strategy is in May. I think it's fairly much guaranteed that Life, FFF and Body&Soul are done for. I'd be surprised if ATN survived. And EP. Licences won't be granted for outdoor events with mass gatherings this summer.

johnnyskeleton · 12-04-2020 1:22pm

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2020/apr/09/donovan-beatles-and-i-paying-96-per-cent-tax-greta-thunberg?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3nvfFJJe9WUwWQ70bZCLSEGhcsNdq5pxu6mimojvxc5HzqU-G6zsn-1Uw#Echobox=1586462798

Donovan out of retirement. Would be a good sunday afternoon set!

Wing126 · 12-04-2020 3:58pm

RINO87 wrote: »

edit - my line "I know it's impossible for some people" made me think - are there provisions made at any festivals for those that may be mobility restricted?

Yes. I was at Download 2019 and the amount of people going around in mobility scooters or wheelchairs was pretty impressive.

showpony1 · 14-04-2020 1:38pm

gkhant wrote: »

IF ATN gets cancelled and IF Podpads tried to pull that stunt of a 50% refund only, personally I'd go apes**t at them and would vow never to go near them again! I'd hope all Irish festival goers would do the same.

it literally says "pandemic" in terms and conditions - laughable comment.

phantom_lord · 14-04-2020 2:26pm

Did it say that when we signed up? Sounds awfully specific...

PabloAndRoy · 14-04-2020 2:34pm

showpony1 wrote: »

it literally says "pandemic" in terms and conditions - laughable comment.

Cancellations made within 7 days of ordering: Full refund will apply less the deposit, provided the order was made more than 7 days before the campsite opens.

Cancellations made within 7 days of campsite opening: No refund applicable

Cancellations made after 7 days of the time of booking, and before 7 days before the campsite opening: 50% refund will apply.

Please be aware that in the instance of the event or festival being cancelled through no fault of our own (e.g. weather, flood, pandemic, terrorism, earthquake, volcano, strikes, civil disobedience or other such cause) we reserve the right to implement the above cancellation terms.

Reserving the right and actually implementing that right are not the same thing.

Taking 50% of people's money for a service that was not delivered would be very scummy behaviour IMHO.

ghostdancer · 14-04-2020 4:22pm

phantom_lord wrote: »

Did it say that when we signed up? Sounds awfully specific...

i'd imagine so, it said it in 2016 anyway:
https://web.archive.org/web/20161021175107/https://podpads.com/terms-and-conditions

No specific mention on the TF site, but it basically has the same thing:
https://www.tangerinefields.co.uk/terms-and-conditions

1.42 We will not be liable to you or be deemed to be in breach of these terms by reason of any delay in performing, or any failure to perform, any of our obligations, if the delay or failure was due to any cause beyond our reasonable control such as severe weather, a natural disaster, strikes, governmental action, terrorism, war and civil unrest.

kg703 · 14-04-2020 4:37pm

phantom_lord wrote: »

Did it say that when we signed up? Sounds awfully specific...

Its in pretty much most standard contracts for events, I work in events & we've been checking all of ours for our rights with lots of football clubs, ticket suppliers, events companies etc. Hard to find one that it isn't in! Anyone with a proper legal contracts will have force majeure in there.

In saying that - all bar one company are going to give us full refunds even though they are covered by contract and the one that isnt is a long term regular supplier who is giving us the money as 'credit' for future use.

I would hope you will all get your money back or they might offer you the booking for next year instead.

SweetCaliber · 14-04-2020 6:25pm

Am gutted but truthfully don't see this going ahead this year. If Harris says social distancing will be the norm until a vaccine then I doubt events or concerts will be allowed run.

Hopefully I'm wrong but if not will be sad to miss it this year.

johnnyskeleton · 14-04-2020 7:52pm

https://nialler9.com/fight-like-apes-share-three-unreleased-tunes/?fbclid=IwAR1-4isxZn2hq5sTpdHLMLpMnuwP3UEbZvQZ5r8-KSeR516qBmBIUaQuY6Y

If these guys could be persuaded to have a one off reunion gig, would be a savage gig for one of the summer festivals!

showpony1 · 14-04-2020 11:43pm

PabloAndRoy wrote: »

Reserving the right and actually implementing that right are not the same thing.

Taking 50% of people's money for a service that was not delivered would be very scummy behaviour IMHO.

Some peoples (above noted) reaction regards hounding companies for refunds amazes me. After the pandemic is over do people want to come back to a world where there are no longer music festivals running here?

Rigor Mortis · 15-04-2020 7:36am

showpony1 wrote: »

Some peoples (above noted) reaction regards hounding companies for refunds amazes me. After the pandemic is over do people want to come back to a world where there are no longer music festivals running here?

I get your point, but working on averages, one in four people on here may have lost their job in the last few weeks. It does tend to alter a person#s priorities. What you are asking is that people are willing to grant a company a 18 month to 24 month loan, interest free.

Wooderson · 15-04-2020 9:04am

showpony1 wrote: »

Some peoples (above noted) reaction regards hounding companies for refunds amazes me. After the pandemic is over do people want to come back to a world where there are no longer music festivals running here?

You think Livenation is gonna go broke?

Rigor Mortis · 15-04-2020 11:30am

Wooderson wrote: »

You think Livenation is gonna go broke?

In fairness, ATN is not run by LiveNation. Its promoter has had well reported financial issues in the last number of years that do not provide a great entry point into this crisis.

I have big sympathy for POD but i dont think that the point above was fair to people who may well need their money back too.

As a side point. Live Nation has just had its entire business ripped away with no end in sight for the next year possibly. They will have loans, they may have covenants on those loans. Their model, like many others, is unlikely to be pandemic proof. If insurers are genuinely able to say, 'sorry, act of God' then i wouldnt be surprised if plenty of companies the size of LiveNation go to the wall. The crash should have shown us that there is no such thing as too big to fail.

johnnyskeleton · 16-04-2020 1:30am

Rigor Mortis wrote: »

In fairness, ATN is not run by LiveNation. Its promoter has had well reported financial issues in the last number of years that do not provide a great entry point into this crisis.

I have big sympathy for POD but i dont think that the point above was fair to people who may well need their money back too.

As a side point. Live Nation has just had its entire business ripped away with no end in sight for the next year possibly. They will have loans, they may have covenants on those loans. Their model, like many others, is unlikely to be pandemic proof. If insurers are genuinely able to say, 'sorry, act of God' then i wouldnt be surprised if plenty of companies the size of LiveNation go to the wall. The crash should have shown us that there is no such thing as too big to fail.

Yeah true. For example, one of those Irish singers from a boyband had an article in RTE a few days ago about how he was gutted to let 100 people go, because he cancelled his tour. The amount of people who work in the live music industry is incredible. We sometimes think about how X band gets €500k for a gig, but in reality they have loads of people working for them.

All those jobs are suddenly gone, and most contracts in the entertainment industry can be cancelled just like that.

I suppose my preferences are:
1) ATN goes ahead;
2) ATN doesn't go ahead, but tickets are good for next year;
3) ATN doesn't go ahead and we dont get refunds, but it will still be there next year;
4) POD productions goes under, no refunds, no more gigs.

Hopefully it's 1 or 2.

billybonkers · 16-04-2020 9:15am

You will get a refund if it is cancelled, it won't be going ahead. Non of the festivals will

showpony1 · 16-04-2020 11:41pm

Rigor Mortis wrote: »

I get your point, but working on averages, one in four people on here may have lost their job in the last few weeks. It does tend to alter a person#s priorities. What you are asking is that people are willing to grant a company a 18 month to 24 month loan, interest free.

I think you'd treat money already paid and uncertain of when/if will be received back differently to a "loan". The tone of the posts are more along the lines of "they better not think of not refunding us" - than people in need. Sad to see.

Rigor Mortis · 17-04-2020 12:03am

showpony1 wrote: »

I think you'd treat money already paid and uncertain of when/if will be received back differently to a "loan". The tone of the posts are more along the lines of "they better not think of not refunding us" - than people in need. Sad to see.

You dont know the motivations or the circumstances. The money is absolutely a loan. Ticket sales are so far in advance now, that companies have significant benefit from advance sales. In this case the advance will be 18 months at a time when Cash will be King. People have a right to be concerned because it is clear from the behaviour of a number of outlets including TM, Aer Lingus and others that they are going to do their damndest to hold onto cash - who can blame them. Who can honestly blame the punter for being aware that this may happen.

Del Griffith · 17-04-2020 8:07am

showpony1 wrote: »

I think you'd treat money already paid and uncertain of when/if will be received back differently to a "loan". The tone of the posts are more along the lines of "they better not think of not refunding us" - than people in need. Sad to see.

Not our problem really, business is risky, asking us to cover their losses for the year now in these circumstances (however unfortunate) is equivalent for us asking for a profit share during the boom times.

Suffering losses? Keep our money. Doing great? Keep our money.
The world doesn't work like that, sorry.

No service delivered, in all fairness people can expect a refund. They absolutely have my sympathy and I hope they pull through but it's a risk of doing business.

They should actually incentivise people to opt for deferring to next years event over a refund in some way.

Eod100 · 17-04-2020 10:56am

Del Griffith wrote: »

Not our problem really, business is risky, asking us to cover their losses for the year now in these circumstances (however unfortunate) is equivalent for us asking for a profit share during the boom times.

Suffering losses? Keep our money. Doing great? Keep our money.
The world doesn't work like that, sorry.

No service delivered, in all fairness people can expect a refund. They absolutely have my sympathy and I hope they pull through but it's a risk of doing business.

They should actually incentivise people to opt for deferring to next years event over a refund in some way.

It Takes a Village did something like that I think. Had option to defer tickets to next year and treated all those tickets as early birds so will give a discount back.

ewj1978 · 20-04-2020 7:21pm

Bluedot festival in England (comparable size to ATN) postponed until next year. All tickets valid for next year and their main headliners have signed up to it already.
Hopefully, imo, thats what will happen to ATN

billybonkers · 21-04-2020 4:41pm

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/coronavirus-all-mass-gatherings-in-state-set-to-be-banned-until-august-1.4234326

Not looking good

fish_fingers · 21-04-2020 4:59pm

billybonkers wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/coronavirus-all-mass-gatherings-in-state-set-to-be-banned-until-august-1.4234326

Not looking good

Two days of the festival are in August...glass half (or two thirds) full, if you like

Clutching....

Eod100 · 21-04-2020 5:02pm

fish_fingers wrote: »

Two days of the festival are in August...glass half (or two thirds) full, if you like

Clutching....

Yeah it's been edited from August to August or September. And with ATN capacity 20 odd thousand it's not looking good unfortunately

ghostdancer · 21-04-2020 5:04pm

"All mass gathering will be banned until the autumn, August or September, under plans set to be announced by the Government due to the ongoing coronavirus crisis. It is understood this will apply to gatherings of 5000 people or more. "

ATN definitely off, I'd imagine it'll extend to Sept to cover EP/All-Ireland finals too.

Eod100 · 21-04-2020 5:10pm

ghostdancer wrote: »

"All mass gathering will be banned until the autumn, August or September, under plans set to be announced by the Government due to the ongoing coronavirus crisis. It is understood this will apply to gatherings of 5000 people or more. "

ATN definitely off, I'd imagine it'll extend to Sept to cover EP/All-Ireland finals too.

Yeah Fiach Kelly who wrote article was on Rte radio 1 there. Said authorities wont consider any licences for applications for any events before 31st August with more than 5,000 attendees. Cant see how EP could go ahead a few days later

ewj1978 · 21-04-2020 5:14pm

Government have just issued the following Press Release on Mass Gatherings:

All Mass Gatherings have been restricted since the March 24th.

Further health advice will be updated in advance of May 5th.

However, there are a number of largescale future events which require licensing and the involvement of the HSE and Garda Síochána, and public consultation in that licensing process which fall to be determined in advance of that by local authorities.

While the issue of restrictions on future mass gatherings is a decision to be taken by the NPHET, in the case of these particular events, and taking account of the impacts on the integrity of the licensing process in the short-term due to restrictions on stakeholder involvement, local authorities have been advised by Government that event promoters should be informed that events requiring licences in excess of 5,000 will not be considered for the period up to the end of August.

This will be kept under review in line with NPHET advices on mass gatherings more generally.

No ATN this year lads.

yournerd · 21-04-2020 5:21pm

Anyone been in contact re return? I was on the instalment payment so they have my details

fish_fingers · 21-04-2020 5:23pm

Eod100 wrote: »

Yeah Fiach Kelly who wrote article was on Rte radio 1 there. Said authorities wont consider any licences for applications for any events before 31st August with more than 5,000 attendees. Cant see how EP could go ahead a few days later

...a big dirty nail through its heart...

Eod100 · 21-04-2020 5:25pm

yournerd wrote: »

Anyone been in contact re return? I was on the instalment payment so they have my details

Say should hear within a few days. Probably only finding out now too and will probably get formal notice from local authorities in writing. Then will take a while to refund everyone. So maybe closer to end of month/start of next month

fish_fingers · 21-04-2020 5:26pm

Eod100 wrote: »

Yeah Fiach Kelly who wrote article was on Rte radio 1 there. Said authorities wont consider any licences for applications for any events before 31st August with more than 5,000 attendees. Cant see how EP could go ahead a few days later

If everyone stays quiet, maybe they won't notice

Tacitus Kilgore · 21-04-2020 5:31pm

yournerd wrote: »

Anyone been in contact re return? I was on the instalment payment so they have my details

Give them a few mins to get their heads around it i'd say :pac:

RINO87 · 21-04-2020 5:47pm

I wonder how many tickets are sold? Would it be feasible to have a small festival of Irish acts just to keep some sort of cash coming in?
I think a lot of people would jump at the idea of getting to any sort of festival this summer, whatever music or facilities are on offer!!

*provided the virus is under control etc etc

Eod100 · 21-04-2020 5:59pm

RINO87 wrote: »

I wonder how many tickets are sold? Would it be feasible to have a small festival of Irish acts just to keep some sort of cash coming in?
I think a lot of people would jump at the idea of getting to any sort of festival this summer, whatever music or facilities are on offer!!

*provided the virus is under control etc etc

I think government is basically giving notice that events of over 5,000 won't go ahead. I don't think it necessarily means that concerts with less than 5,000 will be able to go ahead anytime soon.

SweetCaliber · 21-04-2020 6:02pm

Being reported now that Govt. wont give licenses to any event with over 5,000 people that is to take place before end of August.

ATN is definitely over for this year.

https://beat102103.com/covid-19/major-events-put-in-doubt-after-government-announcement/

Eod100 · 21-04-2020 6:06pm

fish_fingers wrote: »

If everyone stays quiet, maybe they won't notice

Ha if only! Apparently might be until end of September now.

RINO87 · 21-04-2020 6:14pm

Now that I think about it, have government really shafted the promoters and handed insurance companies a get out of jail free card by making it a licence issue??
Technically they have not cancelled the event, the event just won't get a licence to proceed....
If you fail to get a licence isn't the onus on the promoters??

All Together Now 2020

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