Premier league 2020

Justin Credible Darts · 15-10-2020 10:26pm

what was the worst premier league I can remember due to the inclusion of certain players, combined with the covid that made this a leisure centre comp with the atmosphere of a floor comp, was fittingly ended with another poor night of darts.

3 poor games.

Good for Durrant, but as usual it took the top players to completely under perform for durrant to get results.
Ando was pathetic and sh1t himself more than Ian White after a bad curry

Aspinall with a below par 92 was nowhere near his best .

Justin Credible Darts · 15-10-2020 10:29pm

mdwexford wrote: »

Go on Glen you hero.
Won’t cut it in the PDC they said. Tops the league and wins the trophy.

Justin you haven’t a clue. Embarrassing posts as always.

you do know he won a non ranking, invitational glorified exbo right ?

he averaged 86 and 91 which were dismal averages and only won because the 2 players...better players I might add, played even worse.

You can whine about the poster, but it wont alter the facts in the post.
you should try it sometime, and judge a post on the content rather than the poster.

mdwexford · 15-10-2020 10:31pm

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

you do know he won a non ranking, invitational glorified exbo right ?

he averaged 86 and 91 which were dismal averages and only won because the 2 players...better players I might add, played even worse.

You can whine about the poster, but it wont alter the facts in the post.
you should try it sometime, and judge a post on the content rather than the poster.

Playing the top players in the world week in week out. He topped the table. Then won the trophy.

He must be very lucky players never perform against him.

I can taste your salty tears from here.

US2 · 15-10-2020 10:31pm

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

you do know he won a non ranking, invitational glorified exbo right ?

he averaged 86 and 91 which were dismal averages and only won because the 2 players...better players I might add, played even worse.

You can whine about the poster, but it wont alter the facts in the post.
you should try it sometime, and judge a post on the content rather than the poster.

He topped the league from start to finish, with crowds and without, then went and won it.

Johner · 15-10-2020 10:32pm

Delighted for Durrant, well deserved win was the best player over the whole premier league.

bassy · 15-10-2020 10:32pm

mardle and a few on sky are calling it a major

krustydoyle · 15-10-2020 10:32pm

Ahh Justin.. It wouldn't kill you to give him a little credit for winning it

Justin Credible Darts · 15-10-2020 10:34pm

US2 wrote: »

He topped the league from start to finish, with crowds and without, then went and won it.

correct.

I dont begrudge him winning it either.
but it does not alter the fact, that in 23 staged events that he has played, the only one he could win was when his opponents threw rubbish against him.

It does not alter the fact that when he was averaging 86, Mardle was calling him the best in the world, when that is simply a lie.

People see these facts, and they dont like those facts, so instead try to deflect and ignore the content and instead have a go at the poster, because they have no other way of responding.

Justin Credible Darts · 15-10-2020 10:36pm

krustydoyle wrote: »

Ahh Justin.. It wouldn't kill you to give him a little credit for winning it

I have, and if you spent as much time reading my posts on here, my issue was never with glen himself, it was the hype spouted by mardle, sky, pyke etc

go back to older threads like the matchplay and you will see I wanted Durrant to win that comp and plenty others, I like the lad personally, but liking someone dont make them the best in the world.

Even Durrant himself has never claimed that.

ThebitterLemon · 15-10-2020 10:37pm

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

correct.

I dont begrudge him winning it either.
but it does not alter the fact, that in 23 staged events that he has played, the only one he could win was when his opponents threw rubbish against him.

It does not alter the fact that when he was averaging 86, Mardle was calling him the best in the world, when that is simply a lie.

People see these facts, and they dont like those facts, so instead try to deflect and ignore the content and instead have a go at the poster, because they have no other way of responding.

You do understand the difference between subjective opinion and facts don’t you!

Justin Credible Darts · 15-10-2020 10:40pm

ThebitterLemon wrote: »

You do understand the difference between subjective opinion and facts don’t you!

23 staged events Glen has played, and this is his first final win

That is a FACT not an opinion.

The only staged event he won is a non ranking invitational, again that is not opinion, that is fact.

He is not in the top 10 of the order of merit....again a fact

he is not in the top ten of the Pro tour order of merit...another FACT.

It seems to me it is you that has the difficulty in spotting the difference between opinion and fact.

US2 · 15-10-2020 10:40pm

2 match play semis,

Grand Prix Semi

Premier league chamipon.

2 x players championship winner

Loads of quarter finals

In less than 2 years on the back of 3 consecutive lakeside titles.

These are facts Justin.

ThebitterLemon · 15-10-2020 10:45pm

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

23 staged events Glen has played, and this is his first final win

That is a FACT not an opinion.

The only staged event he won is a non ranking invitational, again that is not opinion, that is fact.

He is not in the top 10 of the order of merit....again a fact

he is not in the top ten of the Pro tour order of merit...another FACT.

It seems to me it is you that has the difficulty in spotting the difference between opinion and fact.

You’re very selective.

Read your previous posts and distill our the subjective opinion bits.

You’re also always going on about Smiths ranking not being a reflection of his ability.

You seem to twist things to suit your agenda.

I didn’t really mind who won but was marginally happier that it was Durrant knowing it would cause you to go into meltdown:)

TbL

Justin Credible Darts · 15-10-2020 10:45pm

US2 wrote: »

2 match play semis,

Grand Prix Semi

Premier league chamipon.

2 x players championship winner

Loads of quarter finals

In less than 2 years on the back of 3 consecutive lakeside titles.

These are facts Justin.

here is another fact.

His record in the PDC over the near 2 years is not good enough to have him in the top ten.

nor is it good enough to have him in the top ten for the year, because....wait for it....more that ten others have done more and earned more than him, hence why he is not in the top ten.

Has he done well ? Absolutely
Has the likes of Dimi done well this year...absolutely
lots of players has done better in comps that durrant, that is not a knock on the player but a fact.

You seem intent to try spin this in to some sort of agenda because of the poster.
But you cannot deny the facts I post no matter how much you spin things or try to deflect.

ThebitterLemon · 15-10-2020 10:47pm

He only won coz the others were worse, do you realise how ridiculously childish and churlish you sound

TbL

Justin Credible Darts · 15-10-2020 10:48pm

ThebitterLemon wrote: »

You’re very selective.

Read your previous posts and distill our the subjective opinion bits.

You’re also always going on about Smiths ranking not being a reflection of his ability.

You seem to twist things to suit your agenda.

I didn’t really mind who won but was marginally happier that it was Durrant knowing it would cause you to go into meltdown:)

TbL

You are right, Smith is over rated since he never won a major, but Smith has reached the final of a major ranking tv event, something Durrant has not done in the PDC.

Is Dimitri one of the best in the world ?
He has won a proper ranking major, even beat durrant along the way, so surely he must be better than durrant

Johner · 15-10-2020 10:49pm

Surely he’s top 10 in the order of merit now. I’d say he’s the 4th or 5th best player in the world. I’d have him above someone like Michael Smith any day because darts is not just about talent.

Justin Credible Darts · 15-10-2020 10:49pm

ThebitterLemon wrote: »

He only won coz the others were worse, do you realise how ridiculously childish and churlish you sound

TbL

How many match darts did ando miss ?
Aspinall played far worse in the final than the semi.

What part of this is a lie ?

Justin Credible Darts · 15-10-2020 10:50pm

Johner wrote: »

Surely he’s top 10 in the order of merit now. I’d say he’s the 4th or 5th best player in the world. I’d have him above someone like Michael Smith any day because darts is not just about talent.

oh dear....

its non ranking, why would you climb up the rankings for a non ranking event ?

ThebitterLemon · 15-10-2020 10:52pm

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

You are right, Smith is over rated since he never won a major, but Smith has reached the final of a major ranking tv event, something Durrant has not done in the PDC.

Is Dimitri one of the best in the world ?
He has won a proper ranking major, even beat durrant along the way, so surely he must be better than durrant

Now I’m not even sure what you’re on about.

For me Durrant is one of the best grinders in the game and has proven he can beat anyone on his day. Will he win a PDC WC, probably not but he’s in and around the top 10, so yeah, currently he’s one of the best players in the world

TbL

ThebitterLemon · 15-10-2020 10:54pm

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

How many match darts did ando miss ?
Aspinall played far worse in the final than the semi.

What part of this is a lie ?

Who said it was a lie, what’s your point?

I’ve often been involved in games where I almost won but didn’t

Cudda. Wudda. Shudda

TbL

Justin Credible Darts · 15-10-2020 10:57pm

ThebitterLemon wrote: »

Now I’m not even sure what you’re on about.

For me Durrant is one of the best grinders in the game and has proven he can beat anyone on his day. Will he win a PDC WC, probably not but he’s in and around the top 10, so yeah, currently he’s one of the best players in the world

TbL

If Durrant was one of the best in the world, how come he went 22 staged tv events without reaching a final ?

If he was one of the best in the world then surely he would be in the top 10 of the order of merit at the very least, but he is not.

If he was one of the best he would be top of the pro tour order of merit, but he is not even in the top 10.

He has never won a ranking major like Cross, MVG, Ando, Wade, Aspinall, gurney, Price, Dimitri, etc.

Every time i ask on what criteria you put durrant in the top 5 you fail to answer, why is this ?

The reason there are players above him in the rankings is because they perform better, its not a difficult concept to grasp really.

I am sure in you zest to reply and spin you will deflect as usual for the facts.

ThebitterLemon · 15-10-2020 11:00pm

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

If Durrant was one of the best in the world, how come he went 22 staged tv events without reaching a final ?

If he was one of the best in the world then surely he would be in the top 10 of the order of merit at the very least, but he is not.

If he was one of the best he would be top of the pro tour order of merit, but he is not even in the top 10.

He has never won a ranking major like Cross, MVG, Ando, Wade, Aspinall, gurney, Price, Dimitri, etc.

Every time i ask on what criteria you put durrant in the top 5 you fail to answer, why is this ?

The reason there are players above him in the rankings is because they perform better, its not a difficult concept to grasp really.

I am sure in you zest to reply and spin you will deflect as usual for the facts.

Where did I say top 5?

So Smith is a better player than Durrant currently?

So Smith is top 5?

TbL

Justin Credible Darts · 15-10-2020 11:00pm

ThebitterLemon wrote: »

Who said it was a lie, what’s your point?

I’ve often been involved in games where I almost won but didn’t

Cudda. Wudda. Shudda

TbL

and until a player wins ranking majors i dont class them as the best in the world....

Hence why I dont have Smith, White, Chizzy, Durrant, Cullen and all those without a single ranking major in my top players.

How can you be one of the best in the world without ranking majors. ?
Its a simple question.....care to answer it ?

ThebitterLemon · 15-10-2020 11:03pm

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

and until a player wins ranking majors i dont class them as the best in the world....

Hence why I dont have Smith, White, Chizzy, Durrant, Cullen and all those without a single ranking major in my top players.

How can you be one of the best in the world without ranking majors. ?
Its a simple question.....care to answer it ?

So you’re making up your own rankings now, is that a fact

I’ll leave you to it.

TbL

Justin Credible Darts · 15-10-2020 11:04pm

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

How can you be one of the best in the world without ranking majors. ?
Its a simple question.....care to answer it ?

are you unable to answer my question ?

Liamalone · 15-10-2020 11:06pm

Durrant just oozes class, this should see him break away from the rest now the mental block had been shattered with this win. World class from start to finish.

ThebitterLemon · 15-10-2020 11:07pm

Liamalone wrote: »

Durrant just oozes class, this should see him break away from the rest now the mental block had been shattered with this win. World class from start to finish.

Stop you’ll give him an aneurism

TbL

Justin Credible Darts · 15-10-2020 11:08pm

Liamalone wrote: »

Durrant just oozes class, this should see him break away from the rest now the mental block had been shattered with this win. World class from start to finish.

Yep I think that will lift a lot of pressure off him, as it was getting to him all the previous failures in semis and quarters.

He did get lucky tonight in that Ando ansd Asp played poorly.

The other great bonus of the night was MVG on the dutch tv station RTL7 who seemed completely sour with Glen winning.

That is always a good thing.

paulie21 · 15-10-2020 11:10pm

So if Dennis Priestley and Colin Lloyd came out of retirement they'd automatically go in the top 5 because they won majors

Justin Credible Darts · 15-10-2020 11:11pm

ThebitterLemon wrote: »

Stop you’ll give him an aneurism

TbL

You do know I like glen and have spoken with him many times.
Are you incapable of differentiating between liking a player and actual facts and stats ?

Are you so intent on having a go at the poster instead of the content you are making yourself look ridiculous, when I have said on here numerous times I actually like glen.

How about for once you read my posts before showing yourself up.

I see you are still avoiding the simple question I asked you

ThebitterLemon · 15-10-2020 11:13pm

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

You do know I like glen and have spoken with him many times.
Are you incapable of differentiating between liking a player and actual facts and stats ?

Are you so intent on having a go at the poster instead of the content you are making yourself look ridiculous, when I have said on here numerous times I actually like glen.

How about for once you read my posts before showing yourself up.

I see you are still avoiding the simple question I asked you

I’d hate to see if you didn’t like him given the shocking names you’ve called him in the past!!

You seem to struggle with English, you do understand what “currently” means don’t you?

TbL

US2 · 15-10-2020 11:13pm

You consistently reach the last 4 and last 8 of almost every tv event he plays in.

You use the Order of Merit when it suits you. There is still loads of money to get this year. You can't use his ranking as a guide till the 2 years is up. He will be in top 10 in January no doubt about it

Justin Credible Darts · 15-10-2020 11:16pm

paulie21 wrote: »

So if Dennis Priestley and Colin Lloyd came out of retirement they'd automatically go in the top 5 because they won majors

Dont be ridiculous.

if you knew anything about darts you might be aware of the number of people that have reached major ranking finals AFTER glen joined the PDC.

Take Dimitri van den Bergh, he not only reached a final of a proper tv ranking major, he even won it, and beat durrant along the way....is he one of the best in the world ???

Why is stuart pyke and mardle not saying the same about dimitri ?
This is the bias and favoritism I speak of.

US2 · 15-10-2020 11:16pm

Do you think this event is somehow easier to win because it's unranked ? Second biggest pay day in world darts , quarter of a million for glen tonight.

Justin Credible Darts · 15-10-2020 11:18pm

US2 wrote: »

You consistently reach the last 4 and last 8 of almost every tv event he plays in.

You use the Order of Merit when it suits you. There is still loads of money to get this year. You can't use his ranking as a guide till the 2 years is up. He will be in top 10 in January no doubt about it

I have no doubt he will get in, and right away in january he is defending money.
But if he is not in the top 10 rankings at the moment
has no major ranking titles to his name...how can he be one of the best in the world.

no one seems able to answer this.
Everytime I ask the deflecting begins.

Justin Credible Darts · 15-10-2020 11:31pm

ThebitterLemon wrote: »

You seem to struggle with English, you do understand what “currently” means don’t you?

TbL

Again I think its you that has difficulty comprehending what "currently" means.

Glen is "currently" not in the top 10 of the order of merit.

He is "currently" not in the pro tour order of merit top 10 either.

He "currently" does not have a single ranking major to his name nor has even reached the final of a Major ranking comp.

You have zero comeback to the facts I post, and you are unable to answer the most simple question as to what criteria you use to put him in the top 5

you speak how he is top 5 and when asked what criteria or facts to base your opinion, you cannot answer

Degag · 15-10-2020 11:35pm

You are beating him down and near rubbishing him as not being a top 10 player when he has not had the full 104 weeks in the Order of Merit that others have had. Therefore you are not comparing like with like. And one of the tournaments missing is the Worlds where a decent finish would have him inside the top 10 from the looks of it.

But this particular "fact" doesn't suit your agenda.

Deeper Blue · 15-10-2020 11:35pm

Well done to Duzza, I think he always comes across well so I can't understand when he gets flack.

The PL badly needs an overhaul though. I've said it before but I think changing the format week to week would improve it massively. First to 7 legs 501 is something we see plenty of already.

Degag · 15-10-2020 11:38pm

El Sueño wrote: »

Well done to Duzza, I think he always comes across well so I can't understand when he gets flack.

The PL badly needs an overhaul though. I've said it before but I think changing the format week to week would improve it massively. First to 7 legs 501 is something we see plenty of already.

Goes on far too long in my opinion. How many nights were there? Did someone say 23? Should be half that. But i guess it's a money cow for the PDC.

Justin Credible Darts · 15-10-2020 11:42pm

Degag wrote: »

Goes on far too long in my opinion. How many nights were there? Did someone say 23? Should be half that. But i guess it's a money cow for the PDC.

normally it is what pays for the pro tour,

Last year the PDC scrapped entry fees to the floor comps, and with paying out tens of thousands each event to the players, and holding over 20 players champs per year, the money has to come from somewhere, and that is where the Premier League comes in.

That is also why it has to be hyped, called a major, despite it being non ranking and invitation, the crowds that attend help the PDC financially,

This year with covid they pdc are eating into their profits and reserves.
Hence why rumours of holding the worlds abroad so they can get revenue from fans.

Petyr Baelish · 15-10-2020 11:43pm

Well done Glen.

Keep moving the goalposts Justin....

Justin Credible Darts · 15-10-2020 11:48pm

Degag wrote: »

You are beating him down and near rubbishing him as not being a top 10 player when he has not had the full 104 weeks in the Order of Merit that others have had. Therefore you are not comparing like with like. And one of the tournaments missing is the Worlds where a decent finish would have him inside the top 10 from the looks of it.

But this particular "fact" doesn't suit your agenda.

I am not "beating him" for not being in the top ten.

I am saying if he was one of the best in the world like we are told, he would be in the top 10

There is a clear difference between the 2.

I have saod on here countless times, Glen has done great in the 22 months he is in the pdc and is up to 12th....that is commendable.

But as good as he is, he is not one of the best in the world.
Liking him, loving him or hating him has no bearing on the stats.

Of course those who dont like the poster will complain about him than the actual content, which only serves to prove my point.

Not a single person on here can answer the most basic question.
if he is a top 5 player, what is the criteria they use ?
Surely if you are going to claim he is in top 5, there must be some reasoning behind it ?????

and how would he be above proven major winners like Aspinall and Dimitri who won ranking Majors AFTER durrant joined the PDC.

no one seems able to answer this, instead, they will deflect

Justin Credible Darts · 15-10-2020 11:52pm

Petyr Baelish wrote: »

Well done Glen.

Keep moving the goalposts Justin....

^^^^

This is exactly the point I was making.
The above poster thinks I am somehow disappointed Glen won, the same glen i was shouting for to win the matchplay and other events.

They cannot differentiate between stating facts , and liking a player.

MVG is the best player in the world, I dont like him....liking someone, and their stats are 2 different things, and people cannot grasp this.

Degag · 16-10-2020 12:05am

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

Not a single person on here can answer the most basic question.
if he is a top 5 player, what is the criteria they use ?
Surely if you are going to claim he is in top 5, there must be some reasoning behind it ?????

Well if he won the Worlds that he is missing against all the other players then he would be comfortably be inside the top 5. Fairly close as runner up.

Justin Credible Darts · 16-10-2020 12:10am

Degag wrote: »

Well if he won the Worlds that he is missing against all the other players then he would be comfortably be inside the top 5. Fairly close as runner up.

If he won the worlds then yes he would be in the top 5. Absolutely.

but he has not won it yet, in fact he has never won a pdc ranking major, not even got to the final of one, in the 22 months so that is what I am highlighting.

I am pointing out how ridiculous it is to claim a player with zero ranking finals, let alone win, is a top 5 player, when players like dimitri for example won a ranking major this year, beating glen along the way does not get the same favoritism.

this is not about liking or disliking players, but highlighting the bias, hypocrisy and stupidity of people like Mardle.
Numerous times I have said this is not about glen but the hype put on him by mardle,. pyke etc, that is undeserved.

People dont like these home truths, so in an effort to deflect will try to criticize the poster.

its evident for all to see.

US2 · 16-10-2020 12:14am

Your tears are so sweet Justin, keep crying.

Justin Credible Darts · 16-10-2020 12:46am

show me one single post where i have said he did not deserve it....just one...you cannot.

You obviously ignored the posts where i have praised him on what he has achieved in his time in the pdc.
you seem to lack the ability to comprehend to differentiate between thinking he has done great, and calling him best in the world.

ThebitterLemon · 16-10-2020 8:24am

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

I am not "beating him" for not being in the top ten.

I am saying if he was one of the best in the world like we are told, he would be in the top 10

There is a clear difference between the 2.

I have saod on here countless times, Glen has done great in the 22 months he is in the pdc and is up to 12th....that is commendable.

But as good as he is, he is not one of the best in the world.
Liking him, loving him or hating him has no bearing on the stats.

Of course those who dont like the poster will complain about him than the actual content, which only serves to prove my point.

Not a single person on here can answer the most basic question.
if he is a top 5 player, what is the criteria they use ?
Surely if you are going to claim he is in top 5, there must be some reasoning behind it ?????

and how would he be above proven major winners like Aspinall and Dimitri who won ranking Majors AFTER durrant joined the PDC.

no one seems able to answer this, instead, they will deflect

So Smith is one of the best in the world coz he’s in the top 10, no wait he’s not coz he’s not in your made up top 10.

As another poster said keep moving the goal posts

TbL

Justin Credible Darts · 16-10-2020 9:05am

Where have I said smith is one of the best in the world ? I said he is in the top 10 rankings. Are you incapable of even grasping the difference still ? I never said he was one of the best in the world, .In fact I said on here numerous times smith is vastly over rated.
This is another lie by you in your zest to complain just for the sake of it.

The best players in the world are those that win the ranking majors. like price, mvg, ando, wade, dimitri, cross, gurney , wright etc.
Not the players incapable of winning ranking majors like smith, white, durrant , cullen chizzy.

How can a player who has never won a ranking major be in the top 5 in the world ?
Are you going to keep dodging this very simple question ?

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