Premier league 2020

peteeeed

https://twitter.com/officialpdc/status/1212487228359892992?s=21
Plus 9 challengers

peteeeed

https://twitter.com/livedarts/status/1212489389038882819?s=21

paulie21

Probably about right. 9 challengers every week again as well with Henderson and Sherrock announced for first 2 weeks, rest to be determined by end of this week guessing Willie O'Connor gets a rematch with Price in Dublin

peteeeed

paulie21 wrote: »

guessing Willie O'Connor gets a rematch with Price in Dublin

Good call

ThebitterLemon

This glorified exhibition is turning into a total farce

TbL

1wizards sleeve

Not a big darts fan. But is it not just plain wrong that sherrock is in this at all.

Itssoeasy

1wizards sleeve wrote: »

Not a big darts fan. But is it not just plain wrong that sherrock is in this at all.

She's not in the premier league proper she's a challenger.

Justin Credible Darts

ThebitterLemon wrote: »

This glorified exhibition is turning into a total farce

TbL

has been for years

1wizards sleeve

Itssoeasy wrote: »

She's not in the premier league proper she's a challenger.

I know that. And I think that's a joke too. Surely there must be 40-50 more worthy people to play. The world is gone pc mad

peteeeed

1wizards sleeve wrote: »

I know that. And I think that's a joke too. Surely there must be 40-50 more worthy people to play. The world is gone pc mad

Not really

jr86

1wizards sleeve wrote: »

I know that. And I think that's a joke too. Surely there must be 40-50 more worthy people to play. The world is gone pc mad

LOL I really don't think Barry Hearn and co are playing the PC card. I don't think the premier league darts is too high on feminists' agenda

She will draw crowds and interest. That = more ratings and money. It's that simple. It's business

If there was a male player very popular with crowds and had a large cult following he'd be included in a similar vain.

Oh wait there is - big John Henderson

Justin Credible Darts

Wade and chizzy not only won more money, but won more comps,

They should not be in , so therefore Durrant should not be in.

You cannot use the excuse, durrant is in cos he won x amount and then leave out more successful players who more money and more comps and higher ranked.
Its a contradiction

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

1wizards sleeve wrote: »

I know that. And I think that's a joke too. Surely there must be 40-50 more worthy people to play. The world is gone pc mad

They usually pick regional(ish) players rather then going by world rankings so the local fans have a bit of an interest.

As for the "PC", it's probably more a move to get more women intersted in darts and appeal to a wdier audience. Which means more £££.

1wizards sleeve

jr86 wrote: »

LOL I really don't think Barry Hearn and co are playing the PC card. I don't think the premier league darts is too high on feminists' agenda

She will draw crowds and interest. That = more ratings and money. It's that simple. It's business

If there was a male player very popular with crowds and had a large cult following he'd be included in a similar vain.

Oh wait there is - big John Henderson

so she has a cult following ?? And did I read she got an invite to some major tournaments around the world. I'm fairly open minded but i would imagine her special treatment for winning 2 matches would be annoying for other pros.

1wizards sleeve

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

They usually pick regional(ish) players rather then going by world rankings so the local fans have a bit of an interest.

As for the "PC", it's probably more a move to get more women intersted in darts and appeal to a wdier audience. Which means more £££.

Ya that seems understandable when you put it that way.

ArmaniJeanss

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

Wade and chizzy not only won more money, but won more comps,

They should not be in , so therefore Durrant should not be in.

You cannot use the excuse, durrant is in cos he won x amount and then leave out more successful players who more money and more comps and higher ranked.
Its a contradiction

Well, if you double his prize-money this year, as an unscientific way of compensating for him only having one year in the rankings to everyone else's two, then he is around the same money as them.

I don't think it's a terrible decision - Durrant, Chizzy or Wade would all be fine as the 9th player. Chizzy would have been my choice.

sc86

Its gone stale and they needed to change it up a bit so all very predictable , all right choices , still a pile of crap that i have no interest in watching

Durrant is a fresh face people want to see

jr86

Meh they can be as annoyed as they like. That's life I'm afraid

Similarly why does love island contestant Tommy Fury vs a nobody in boxing get top billing on BT Sport?

$$$

"It's show-business baby"

Hearn is doing what anyone in his position would do. Cashing in nicely on her fame. The fact it's a female is incidental

I could be wrong but I certainly didn't she any mobs baying for her inclusion, or any feminist groups campaigning in her favour or the likes. So I'm not sure who Hearn is pandering to if "PC" really is the motive

Justin Credible Darts

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Well, if you double his prize-money this year, as an unscientific way of compensating for him only having one year in the rankings to everyone else's two, then he is around the same money as them.

I don't think it's a terrible decision - Durrant, Chizzy or Wade would all be fine as the 9th player. Chizzy would have been my choice.

Hearn said he was in because of his great year...YEAR being the word he used



in the same year, plenty other earned more, won more and were left out

sc86

Durrant had a great year , 225stg plus grand slam money that didnt count
People are sick of looking at wade + chizzy the last 7 or 8 years

PTH2009

Should Keane Barry not get the Irish challenger spot been a world junior champion ?

sc86

PTH2009 wrote: »

Should Keane Barry not get the Irish challenger spot been a world junior champion ?

Even for hearn that would be unexpected
Hes in bdo world youth final next week also
Didnt play well again vdvv
Willie o connor it has to be

diusmr8a504cvk

paulie21 wrote: »

guessing Willie O'Connor gets a rematch with Price in Dublin

Good shout. I fancy Keane Barry or maybe Ciaran Teehan, the former more so as he's a bit more exciting.

Corey Cadby was tipped months ago by Barry Hearn but can't see that now.

sc86

Id say micky mansell has as much chance as ciaran teehan

diusmr8a504cvk

sc86 wrote: »

Id say micky mansell has as much chance as ciaran teehan

Ciaran Teehan has actually won a world championship match for a start.

sc86

So you pick him ahead of willie oconnor on what grounds exactly?

diusmr8a504cvk

sc86 wrote: »

So you pick him ahead of willie oconnor on what grounds exactly?

Just thought that the term Challenger points towards younger players, I'd prefer Willie though.

ThebitterLemon

Cohen Billions Warlord wrote: »

Just thought that the term Challenger points towards younger players, I'd prefer Willie though.

Yep John Henderson is really a teenager 🀣

TbL

diusmr8a504cvk

ThebitterLemon wrote: »

Yep John Henderson is really a teenager 🀣

TbL

Sorry for having an opinion

Justin Credible Darts

sc86 wrote: »

Durrant had a great year , 225stg plus grand slam money that didnt count
People are sick of looking at wade + chizzy the last 7 or 8 years

they will be sick of durrant and his boring style and snail pace before the first month is over.

Deeper Blue

I'd like to see Ricky Evans get a challenger spot, he's the exciting type of player that's needed to reinvigorate the PL which has been rubbish for probably a decade at this stage.

And though I can understand people's complaints about how much she warrants a place, Sherrock also falls into that category.

Trampas

Wikipedia has her down to face mvg. I’d nearly want him to win 7-0 to put this to bed.

Fine if getting there on merit but it’s just pr stunt from match room to generate more money

Kingp35

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

Hearn said he was in because of his great year...YEAR being the word he used

in the same year, plenty other earned more, won more and were left out

It really doesn't matter Justin, you know this. It's a glorified exhibition tour, who had the better year is completely irrelevant. It's purely about who sells the most tickets and Duzza is well liked and someone new.

For 'proper' darts fans, the Premier League is utterly meaningless but it is important to the PDC as it's a huge money earner and allows them to offer high prize money in the actual ranked tournaments.

As usual, I probably won't watch any of the Premier League until finals night.

jr86

Trampas wrote: »

Wikipedia has her down to face mvg. I’d nearly want him to win 7-0 to put this to bed.

Fine if getting there on merit but it’s just pr stunt from match room to generate more money

She's there for one night. The world isn't going to stop turning

She won two matches in the world championship. One a very high profile win against the 11th seed. Her matches were the talk of the event. Viewing figures were sky high. She was trending on Social Media. She appeared on the major morning tv chat shows

Again this is all business. Her appearance will get people talking, will attract more viewers and get new people watching (and exposed to) the Premier League, on that night. Its a no-brainer business wise including her. Its "PR stunts" like this which will ensures darts is able to pay its stars big money and keep the sport at a high standard for the future. Not long ago only a few players could afford to be truly full-time pros - hence the standard was way lower given a lot of players had much less time to practice, juggling with a day job

Lets not be naive enough to think life is fair and everyone should be rewarded accordingly. If a few other pros are put out by it - then tough. Life isn't always fair - in any industry for that matter

I wish her well myself. She never asked for all this. She's just gone on and done her job, as it happens it has catapulted her to fame. No matter the score you're having an absolute laugh if you think a 7-0 defeat will put this "to bed". She will be on reality Tv in some form I'd wager during the year, will continue to appear on chat shows, get exhibition work and so on. All the best to her, and its great to see her make a nice living for herself and her young kid

Hodors Appletart

Trampas wrote: »

it’s just pr stunt from match room to generate more money

That is what tney are about maximising their profits.

anyone pretending otherwise is fairly naive

Justin Credible Darts

Kingp35 wrote: »

It really doesn't matter Justin, you know this. It's a glorified exhibition tour, who had the better year is completely irrelevant. It's purely about who sells the most tickets and Duzza is well liked and someone new.

For 'proper' darts fans, the Premier League is utterly meaningless but it is important to the PDC as it's a huge money earner and allows them to offer high prize money in the actual ranked tournaments.

As usual, I probably won't watch any of the Premier League until finals night.

I dont disagree.


But do you seriously consider Durrant as a player that is PL type ?
I find him slow and boring,

Then gurney is a miserable twat

And smith looks like a child who sulks when things do not go his way.


I rather see De Zwaan, Dimitri, or any of the most quicker type of player since it is only a glorified non ranking exbo

boomdocker

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

I dont disagree.


But do you seriously consider Durrant as a player that is PL type ?
I find him slow and boring,

Then gurney is a miserable twat

And smith looks like a child who sulks when things do not go his way.


I rather see De Zwaan, Dimitri, or any of the most quicker type of player since it is only a glorified non ranking exbo

I like Durrant - but agree that in the context of PL - the players you list are a better fit in my view
The thing is currently a snooze fest with the likes of Gurney in there so no point adding more similar players. The rest of them only seem interested half the time eg Smith, Cross, even mvg
I'd prefer to see JdZ, Dobey, Humphries, Evans etcc in there

Currently I think it's top 4 in the rankings + others - but they've just picked the next 5 more or less!
If it's top 4 + others then take a leap of faith and put in some of these younger/quicker/more exciting players

Kingp35

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

But do you seriously consider Durrant as a player that is PL type ?
I find him slow and boring

I agree with you, but obviously Barry Hearn thinks he is a bankable player.

I would have De Zwaan in there but I don't think he's done enough on TV to be known by the casual fan.

Justin Credible Darts

Kingp35 wrote: »

I agree with you, but obviously Barry Hearn thinks he is a bankable player.

I would have De Zwaan in there but I don't think he's done enough on TV to be known by the casual fan.

all the more reason to pick him and make him known to the casual fan.


the casual already knows the stroppy smith and miserable gurney

PTH2009

God help me casuals if Justin Pipe ever qualifies for the premier league

Imagine Pipe vs Durrant jesus

mcgragger

Getting tired of this Sherrock thing already.
She won two games at the worlds.

I am happy for her and respect what she did but she's skipping the queue here and it will piss alot of the maijn tour players off.

jr86

Might need to put an addendum to the thread title at this stage "Sherrock is not actually in the premier league proper!!!"

Seems an incredibly difficult concept to grasp for some

I'm sure all the pros that missed out will be extremely touched at this completely genuine concern shown to them though!!!

mcgragger

jr86 wrote: »

Might need to put an addendum to the thread title at this stage "Sherrock is not actually in the premier league proper!!!"

Seems an incredibly difficult concept to grasp for some

I'm sure all the pros that missed out will be extremely touched at this completely genuine concern shown to them though!!!

I know she isn't in it proper. Even 1 or 2 events are paydays that the tour players have grafted for are being taken away from someone because she's a girl.

And no need to be a smart arse either.

jr86

mcgragger wrote: »

I know she isn't in it proper. Even 1 or 2 events are paydays that the tour players have grafted for are being taken away from someone because she's a girl.

And no need to be a smart arse either.

How do you mean they have "grafted" for them? Players aren't practising for hours a day to play for an hour on a random Thursday night in front of a boozed up crowd and modest tv audience. The PL means shag all to most actual darts fans (and players lets be honest). Its a piss up event aimed at casual fans, but a cash cow that brings more $$$ into the game.

She is just making a one off appearance - just like with players who are playing for one night in other venues, down to their home region/birthplace whatever. The "challengers" are not picked based on form or rankings. The only grafting guys can really do in this scenario is change their nationality or City. i'd be beyond amazed if any player lost sleep over someone chosen to play for one night. In fact her popularity is indirectly a huge positive for other pros. More ratings = more cash

Who would you have instead? As if someone like James Wade or Dave Chisnall would garner more bums on seats or ratings at this present time . But best of luck with that. Its a money making business, you'd have to be incredibly naive to think money and maximising profits isn't the bottom line in all industries, not just sport and darts.

the fact "she's a girl" is completely incidental but hey lets just ignore the fact a male like John henderson is picked for the same reasoning. If Barry Hearn's agenda was PC-driven why wasn't there girls in the Premier League until now? Why isn't Sherrock in the PL proper? Why is she the only female representative?

Rightly or wrongly darts would not have the money it does or the popularity it does if Barry Hearn's primary concern was for player's feelings and prioritising perceived fairness, over growing the game by the best commercial means possible. You can say what you want from a computer screen but he's the one that actually calls the shots, and I think you'd frankly have to be extremely naive to not see this is a very good business decision he has made

peteeeed

If fallon sherrock was not included in this year's events it would be gross malpractice. She made the papers worldwide ( New York times etc). She's the biggest name other than the top 4 at the moment. Next she probably won't be or maybe she will. She's a single mother hair dresser beating professional men, great story. She'll make good money this year with sponsors and on the exhibition circuit, good on her. You either put bums on seats or you don't.

jr86

peteeeed wrote: »

If fallon sherrock was not included in this year's events it would be gross malpractice. She made the papers worldwide ( New York times etc). She's the biggest name other than the top 4 at the moment. Next she probably won't be or maybe she will. She's a single mother hair dresser beating professional men, great story. She'll make good money this year with sponsors and on the exhibition circuit, good on her. You either put bums on seats or you don't.

Exactly

Put it this way if we worked for an event management company and were asked to host a darts exhibition and given a budget that would allow us choose anyone outside the top 9 in the world. If the event fails our job is on the line

Lets be honest we're not exactly going to be thinking about who "deserves the money" or who is the best player in our opinion. We want bums on seats in any way possible and Sherrock would be the obvious choice based on her current popularity!

As you say yourself she might not be the choice at all next year

Justin Credible Darts

hate to nbreak it to you but Ally Pally sells out regardless, and was sold out before sherrock qualified.

world series sell out regardless as well., with or without her

ArmaniJeanss

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

hate to nbreak it to you but Ally Pally sells out regardless, and was sold out before sherrock qualified.

world series sell out regardless as well., with or without her

C'mon dude, you know that's not what people mean when they refer to bums on seats. The phrase has moved on since BT Barnum.

There's a whole lot more now - social media revenue, ad revenue for the broadcasters, merchandising sales on the night, being able to squeeze the name sponsors for extra.
As jr86 alludes to, any promoter who can't see that Sherrock adds to that revenue, short term at least, is grossly incompetent.

Healio

I think the greatest trick they are missing here is not inviting 16 "challengers" and have them facing off over the 15 weeks (one match dedicated per week).

It adds two things, more faces for the casual darts fan and actual competitive practice.

You could then maybe award the "Challenger Champion" with a Grand Slam or WC place.

peteeeed

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

hate to nbreak it to you but Ally Pally sells out regardless, and was sold out before sherrock qualified.

world series sell out regardless as well., with or without her

We all know that, she's playing around the world, new York, maddison square garden

peteeeed

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

C'mon dude, you know that's not what people mean when they refer to bums on seats. The phrase has moved on since BT Barnum.

There's a whole lot more now - social media revenue, ad revenue for the broadcasters, merchandising sales on the night, being able to squeeze the name sponsors for extra.
As jr86 alludes to, any promoter who can't see that Sherrock adds to that revenue, short term at least, is grossly incompetent.

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