Ireland agrees to plan on migrant resettlement

Kivaro · 23-07-2019 9:14am #1

A few days ago, Charlie Flanagan declared to the Irish Times that Ireland won’t sign up to the migrant agreement that Finland proposed for European countries to take in migrants who made their to Europe from Africa.
However this morning we hear that Ireland has indeed signed up to the plan and is now one of active participant countries to resettle these migrants, whose number are in the thousands. President Emmanuel Macron said the new initiative would be "quick" and "automatic". You can read more about it on the RTE web site.

But going back to Charlie Flanagan's interview last Friday, he talked about Ireland’s asylum system that was “under some stress”.
He said the numbers of asylum seekers coming to Ireland increased last year despite decreasing across the EU in general. “This is a challenge that we have. It’s a different challenge to our EU colleagues.”

You would have to wonder why our numbers are increasing versus the rest of Europe? What is enticing them to Ireland versus mainland Europe?
And I also wonder what has changed for Ireland to change their position within a few days.

With the current abhorrent housing situation and our healthcare system in shambles with so many people on trolleys and on waiting lists, should we not fix these issues before exasperating the situation by burdening our services with more numbers?

Beechwoodspark · 23-07-2019 9:16am

Is this the operation that was mentioned on morning Ireland?

Guards refusing to travel over to vet asylum seekers as they say the govt won’t pay current rates for them to work on their days off.

14dMoney · 23-07-2019 9:17am

Kivaro wrote: »

You would have to wonder why our numbers are increasing versus the rest of Europe? What is enticing them to Ireland versus mainland Europe?

With the current abhorrent housing situation and our healthcare system in shambles with so many people on trolleys and on waiting lists, should we not fix these issues before exasperating the situation by burdening our services with more numbers?

Stupidly high welfare for life, free housing and an unlimited supply of chumps like us to pay for it is probably quite enticing.

Eric Cartman · 23-07-2019 9:19am

Why is this government so destined to instill a permanent race to the bottom in our society

Sonny noggs · 23-07-2019 9:19am

More doctors and engineers, great!

water-man · 23-07-2019 9:37am

Hi,

Who should I contact to raise my concerns about this? I'd like to see some changes made.

I'd welcome families into my area open arms but I have an issue with large groups of people being placed in areas with no support systems in place or anything for them to do. That feeling is the same if it is a 20, 30, 40 etc Irish people from anywhere in Ireland to my area. It just will not work & integration with the community will not be positive. I want these people to have a better life here.

Thanks,

WM

OneEightSeven · 23-07-2019 9:55am

Looks like we're back to 2015 again, where the lines between illegal immigrants and refugees are being blurred again. Macron is either a clown or not interested in getting elected next term because Le Pen hit 44% in a recent run-off poll.

Boggles · 23-07-2019 9:56am

water-man wrote: »

Hi,

Who should I contact to raise my concerns about this? I'd like to see some changes made.

I'd welcome families into my area open arms but I have an issue with large groups of people being placed in areas with no support systems in place or anything for them to do. That feeling is the same if it is a 20, 30, 40 etc Irish people from anywhere in Ireland to my area. It just will not work & integration with the community will not be positive. I want these people to have a better life here.

Thanks,

WM

Are 40 migrants moving into your area?

water-man · 23-07-2019 10:20am

@ Boggles - No and I want to be very clear - the way it is currently done I will object to.

But I'm willing to work to improve how these people are settled. I saw a pic a few weeks back of a father and daughter who drowned trying to get into USA. This hit me hard. This could me me and my daughter if things were different. These people meed to be treated better that being forced into a converted hotel in bally-back-of-beyond.

Gatling · 23-07-2019 10:26am

People seriously need to be able to stop these decisions being foised on us .
We don't need anymore refugees or asylum seekers in this country it's already Costing us over 250 million to house the ones we already have and that's before we get to the 30 + million free legal aid bill we foot to as tax payers .

Boggles · 23-07-2019 10:29am

water-man wrote: »

@ Boggles - No and I want to be very clear - the way it is currently done I will object to.

Well unless they are earmarked for a center in your area or county there is very little you can do about it.

You can still object if it requires planning, but if they see you are 150 miles away it will go in the bin.

circadian · 23-07-2019 10:35am

water-man wrote: »

@ Boggles - No and I want to be very clear - the way it is currently done I will object to.

But I'm willing to work to improve how these people are settled. I saw a pic a few weeks back of a father and daughter who drowned trying to get into USA. This hit me hard. This could me me and my daughter if things were different. These people meed to be treated better that being forced into a converted hotel in bally-back-of-beyond.

I agree. In principal I have absolutely no problem with immigrants or asylum seekers but as it stands most are treated extremely poorly and any efforts by the government are rushed and ham fisted. There needs to be a large and frank discussion about housing in this country and as a by-product, a discussion also to be had around new arrivals and how to house them/help them rent or whatever.

I would never stand in the way of someone looking to make a better life for themselseves or their families. I've emigrated on a number of occasions and returned with greater experience and knowledge.

Its hard enough upping sticks and moving somewhere else. I can't fathom how difficult it is for many of these people leaving the horrors of war behind only to be crammed into a direct-provision ****hole and then completely abandoned by the government and resented by a section of the population.

The Enbalmer · 23-07-2019 10:42am

circadian wrote:

Its hard enough upping sticks and moving somewhere else. I can't fathom how difficult it is for many of these people leaving the horrors of war behind only to be crammed into a direct-provision ****hole and then completely abandoned by the government and resented by a section of the population.

Nigeria: no war

Pakistan: no war

Bangladesh: no war

Syria: no war

Georgia: no war

Albania: no war

We're being hoodwinked..Ireland is viewed as an easy touch because of the gullibility of the populace.

Boggles · 23-07-2019 10:49am

The Enbalmer wrote: »

Syria: no war

You should read the news the odd time.

Yesterday.

Syria war: Air strikes on town in rebel-held Idlib 'kill 31'

CrankyHaus · 23-07-2019 10:52am

circadian wrote: »

I agree. In principal I have absolutely no problem with immigrants or asylum seekers but as it stands most are treated extremely poorly and any efforts by the government are rushed and ham fisted. There needs to be a large and frank discussion about housing in this country and as a by-product, a discussion also to be had around new arrivals and how to house them/help them rent or whatever.

I would never stand in the way of someone looking to make a better life for themselseves or their families. I've emigrated on a number of occasions and returned with greater experience and knowledge.

Its hard enough upping sticks and moving somewhere else. I can't fathom how difficult it is for many of these people leaving the horrors of war behind only to be crammed into a direct-provision ****hole and then completely abandoned by the government and resented by a section of the population.

You're assuming that these asylum seekers are being housed in locations that best suit their needs and enable services to be provided to them to integrate them into Irish society, it ain't necessarily so.

Instead any rural gombeen man whose run down hotel has hit the skids just fixes with his political buddies to have them moved to his place. He gets easy money for a kip that would struggle to attract custom, the government gets to move the asylum seekers out of sight out of mind, the asylum seekers are left in the middle of nowhere struggling to adapt and integrate, the local community are left trying to integrate an influx of new arrivals who need supports that are already locally overtaxed. Anyone who questions this in any way gets shouted down as racists and xenophobes by both mainstream media and the usual suspects on here.

Chris_Heilong · 23-07-2019 10:52am

The whole immigration thing is an issue, in the past when it was smaller numbers it was great, meeting all the new people coming in and learning about other cultures, What Merkel inflicted on Europe was one of the worst things to happen to Europe since WW2. These numbers of third world people is not something we can handle.
We do not owe anyone anything, we never invaded anyone, never started a war or exploited the third world, If people are fleeing war and looking for a temporary home until things blow over then we should help them out but the vast majority of people from outside the EU that come are economic migrants and I do not really think we should follow in the footsteps of former colonial countries who only really want a cheap workforce but will virtue signal to the world they are doing it out of the goodness of their hearts which is a load of crap. Why do we aim to be like large immigrant countries when we have a native population that should be promoted and anyone that comes here should be looking to become a part of our culture.

I remember watching interviews on the streets of London and people were asked "what does it mean to you to be British?", most answered "its just a passport." which was sad to hear.

biko · 23-07-2019 10:54am

Did all of Ireland agree to this? Or a couple of politicians swayed by foreign politics and the promise of glory once they have ruined their country?

It's funny how the article keeps mixing refugees and migrants, like it's the same thing.

Kivaro · 23-07-2019 10:55am

circadian wrote: »

Its hard enough upping sticks and moving somewhere else. I can't fathom how difficult it is for many of these people leaving the horrors of war behind only to be crammed into a direct-provision ****hole and then completely abandoned by the government and resented by a section of the population.

This is a new migrant resettlement plan and has nothing to do with the resettlement plan that Ireland has already in place for refugees affected by the Syrian war.

The migrants in the new plan are from Africa, and while there is a possibility that some may be fleeing war, the overwhelming majority will be economic migrants e.g. those who could afford to pay to get on one of the people smuggler boats or were ferried to Europe by the Irish Navy or NGO ships.
It is unfortunate that refugees from war-torn countries are conflated with migrants trying to get to Ireland in order to better their economic situation. This is where resentment comes into the picture; especially when we hear that only 40% of adult African nationals in Ireland are employed, far less than the average for Irish natives or for other immigrant groups. (From http://www.ucd.ie/geary/static/publi...rywp201816.pdf)

Pissartist · 23-07-2019 10:57am

Gatling wrote: »

People seriously need to be able to stop these decisions being foised on us .
We don't need anymore refugees or asylum seekers in this country it's already Costing us over 250 million to house the ones we already have and that's before we get to the 30 + million free legal aid bill we foot to as tax payers .

100% we have our own issues to fix first

circadian · 23-07-2019 10:58am

The Enbalmer wrote: »

Nigeria: no war

Pakistan: no war

Bangladesh: no war

Syria: no war

Georgia: no war

Albania: no war

We're being hoodwinked..Ireland is viewed as an easy touch because of the gullibility of the populace.

Aye, dead on.

Geuze · 23-07-2019 11:05am

Genuine refugees fleeing persecution are welcome.

Bogus AS are not welcome, and should not be allowed get beyond the port or airport.

The thousands of bogus AS already here should be deported asap.

Geuze · 23-07-2019 11:08am

Kivaro wrote: »

This is a new migrant resettlement plan and has nothing to do with the resettlement plan that Ireland has already in place for refugees affected by the Syrian war.

The migrants in the new plan are from Africa, and while there is a possibility that some may be fleeing war, the overwhelming majority will be economic migrants e.g. those who could afford to pay to get on one of the people smuggler boats or were ferried to Europe by the Irish Navy or NGO ships.
It is unfortunate that refugees from war-torn countries are conflated with migrants trying to get to Ireland in order to better their economic situation. This is where resentment comes into the picture; especially when we hear that only 40% of adult African nationals in Ireland are employed, far less than the average for Irish natives or for other immigrant groups. (From http://www.ucd.ie/geary/static/publi...rywp201816.pdf)

tHANKS.

I was under the impression this was the original plan for 4,000 refugees.

Boggles · 23-07-2019 11:12am

biko wrote: »

Did all of Ireland agree to this?

No obviously, every decision a democratically elected government makes doesn't go back to the populous in a referendum, the main reason being we would get fúck all done.

biko · 23-07-2019 11:13am

Sweden is a perfect example of how not to handle the Great Migration

Welcoming more migrants than you can look after leads to tragedy – as Sweden, with its traumatised street children, is now discovering

biko · 23-07-2019 11:15am

Boggles wrote: »

No obviously, every decision a democratically elected government makes doesn't go back to the populous in a referendum, the main reason being we would get fúck all done.

Switzerland makes it work. However, that's semantics.

Some decisions are too important to let politicians do themselves. That's why we need referendums about society-altering decisions like this.

The Enbalmer · 23-07-2019 11:39am

<SNIP>

Less of the extreme Islamophobia please. There’s room for a mature discussion here without going to these extremes.

UPDATE: carded for editing post after mod instruction and continuing the discussion

dudara

Boggles · 23-07-2019 11:45am

biko wrote: »

Switzerland makes it work. However, that's semantics.

Some decisions are too important to let politicians do themselves. That's why we need referendums about society-altering decisions like this.

Who gets to decide which decisions are important enough?

You? The 12 guys on here constantly banging on about migrants?

Of all the things we need to solve, this would be pretty low on the list if you actually put it to the general populous.

The Enbalmer · 23-07-2019 11:47am

Boggles wrote: »

You should read the news the odd time.

Yesterday.

Syria war: Air strikes on town in rebel-held Idlib 'kill 31'

https://www.distancefromto.net/distance-from-ireland-to-syria

Remind me why we should give a shiit??

Boggles · 23-07-2019 11:48am

The Enbalmer wrote: »

https://www.distancefromto.net/distance-from-ireland-to-syria

Remind me why we should give a shiit??

I didn't ask you to give a shít, I merely pointed out you were posting BullShít.

You are welcome by the way.

Tony Tucker · 23-07-2019 11:55am

How does this benefit the Irish people?

ChikiChiki · 23-07-2019 11:59am

Migrants were never that inclined to come to Ireland and always preffered the UK. Maybe the word is spreading on what a soft touch we are. Additionally its almost like the Government is shouting to Europe, "hey look over here, send some our way".

In the context of the housing situation they should be doing the opposite at the moment and adapt policy when we are back on our feet. Not simply signing up to the agreement to appease Brussels.

Eric Cartman · 23-07-2019 12:11pm

Tony Tucker wrote: »

How does this benefit the Irish people?

5% of these migrants will be doctors and other things useful to us, and for that reason we should let in uneducated 25 year old sheep farmers pretending to be 15 year old school children who also follow the teachings or preachers who think women have as much autonomy and agency as a lamp.

Boggles · 23-07-2019 12:16pm

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Migrants were never that inclined to come to Ireland and always preffered the UK.

That is hardly surprise given Britain's colonial past.

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Maybe the word is spreading on what a soft touch we are.

10-15 years shacked up in a modified theme park on 20 quid a week?

Help!!!! · 23-07-2019 12:16pm

This is all legalized trafficking
NGO's, Government officials, Solicitors, Direct provisions & now hoteliers making €€€€ of the backs of human suffering.

As for the migrants
Jumped to the front of the housing Q for a newly built house, medical care & of course benefits
€5000 to refurbish your house even when the house in most cases already furnished, so you can spend that money on a big screen tv & some shiny trinkets or trainers
a grant of €8000 for a car
All paid by the taxpayer

Tony Tucker · 23-07-2019 12:16pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

5% of these migrants will be doctors and other things useful to us, and for that reason we should let in uneducated 25 year old sheep farmers pretending to be 15 year old school children who also follow the teachings or preachers who think women have as much autonomy and agency as a lamp.

So a hindrance more than anything else. We should be opting out. We arent obliged to be taking these people in.

Bobblehats · 23-07-2019 12:18pm

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Migrants were never that inclined to come to Ireland and always preffered the UK. Maybe the word is spreading on what a soft touch we are.

Just maybe. Like wildfire and you know how fast that spreads around Africa? ..and that’s just for starters other continents not included. We are indeed seen as a little Britain and a little America too

The farthest flung little land this side of Europe is the very definition of the west, somewhere between UK and USA only more beneficial. Priority destination I’ll tell you that much.

Help!!!! · 23-07-2019 12:18pm

Tony Tucker wrote: »

So a hindrance more than anything else. We should be opting out. We arent obliged to be taking these people in.

Only way to fix this is to not vote for the parties who are for this, which is pretty much all of them

Tony Tucker · 23-07-2019 12:19pm

Help!!!! wrote: »

This is all legalized trafficking
NGO's, Government officials, Solicitors, Direct provisions & now hoteliers making €€€€ of the backs of human suffering.

As for the migrants
Jumped to the front of the housing Q for a newly built house, medical care & of course benefits
€5000 to refurbish your house even when the house in most cases already furnished, so you can spend that money on a big screen tv & some shiny trinkets or trainers
a grant of €8000 for a car
All paid by the taxpayer

Is this actually true? Ireland isnt gonna be a nice place for these people to live when the recession comes.

Help!!!! · 23-07-2019 12:20pm

Bobblehats wrote: »

Just maybe. Like wildfire and you know how fast that spreads around Africa? ..and that’s just for starters other continents not included. We are indeed seen as a little Britain and a little America too

The farthest flung little land this side of Europe is the very definition of the west, somewhere between UK and USA only more beneficial. Priority destination I’ll tell you that much.

Come here become 'paper Irish' leave it a few years apply for American visa or move freely around Europe because of course you are now 'IRISH'

Boggles · 23-07-2019 12:21pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

and for that reason we should let in uneducated 25 year old sheep farmers

Perfect, let him in.

The Irish agri-food sector remains one of the lowest paying, while significant employment issues are highlighted as farmers struggle to find labour.

Irish Farmers' Association president Joe Healy recently said Irish agriculture has a genuine need for extra workers from outside Europe as we approach full employment - and recovering EU economies have labour needs of their own.

Help!!!! · 23-07-2019 12:22pm

Tony Tucker wrote: »

Is this actually true? Ireland isnt gonna be a nice place for these people to live when the recession comes.

Yep afraid so

Gatling · 23-07-2019 12:22pm

Tony Tucker wrote: »

Is this actually true? Ireland isnt gonna be a nice place for these people to live when the recession comes.

Didn't stop them before actually after the crash migrants coming here actually increased .

They will still be housed and financially supported no matter what the economic situation is it's win -win for them

Help!!!! · 23-07-2019 12:26pm

Gatling wrote: »

Didn't stop them before actually after the crash migrants coming here actually increased .

They will still be housed and financially supported no matter what the economic situation is it's win -win for them

Yes & the tax payer will keep getting squeezed more & more. Wait until petrol & diesel go up, car tax etc under the pretense of climate change.
Heres another fun fact
Did you know 100% of your car tax goes to Irish water?
Was told by a person working for the tax office

Jamie2k9 · 23-07-2019 12:28pm

It's so obvious EU using Brexit and Backstop to force Ireland into accepting this.

Boggles · 23-07-2019 12:28pm

Gatling wrote: »

Didn't stop them before actually after the crash migrants coming here actually increased .

They will still be housed and financially supported no matter what the economic situation is it's win -win for them

Damn lazy migrants!! *shakes fist*

Oh wait >

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Il Fascista · 23-07-2019 12:29pm

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

It's so obvious EU using Brexit and Backstop to force Ireland into accepting this.

There's little force about it. If we had any politicians with a backbone this wouldn't be an issue.

Jamie2k9 · 23-07-2019 12:30pm

Boggles wrote: »

Damn lazy migrants!! *shakes fist*

Oh wait >

Remove Europeans, American's and Chinese and the results will paint a different picture.

Help!!!! · 23-07-2019 12:31pm

Boggles wrote: »

Damn lazy migrants!! *shakes fist*

Oh wait >

Give it a few years for the 'refugees' to have an impact on the figures
Huge difference between the Polish migrants who came here to work & what is being trafficked here by our Government

Eric Cartman · 23-07-2019 12:34pm

Boggles wrote: »

Perfect, let him in.

1) they don't speak any english
2) The IFA president wants farm hands below minimum wage , which has its own issues.
3) The belief system causes issues.

Gatling · 23-07-2019 12:36pm

Boggles wrote: »

Damn lazy migrants!! *shakes fist

Oops !

African nationals living in Ireland have a higher unemployment rate than other migrants and Irish people.

The new study from the Economic and Social Research Institute has examined how well migrants are settling in the country.

It has found that 16% of Africans living in Ireland are out of work, compared with 4% of people from western European countries.

The employment rate for Africans in Ireland was also very low at 45%, while 66% of Irish nationals were working.

Lead author of the report, Dr Frances McGinnity, said the findings were concerning in relation to immigrants from Africa, whereas people from Europe and North America had high levels of employment and educational attainment and were performing very well in the Irish labour market.

The research also found that consistent poverty rates were highest for non-EU nationals at 29% compared with 8% for Irish people.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/1107/1009164-esri_migrants/

Bobblehats · 23-07-2019 12:37pm

Il Fascista wrote: »

There's little force about it. If we had any politicians with a backbone this wouldn't be an issue.

Unfortunately we’ve a Taoiseach instilled for the wrong sort of backbone. We desperately; badly need someone propped up by sterner stuff for the sake of our fabric and of our very dna. We’re getting shafted lads.

Ireland agrees to plan on migrant resettlement

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