Beef AI/Bulls MEGATHREAD

tellmeabit · 28-05-2020 10:59am

I've one bullong this am, 35 days after calving. Would she hold if served? I had 42 days in my head for some reason after calving

charolais0153 · 28-05-2020 11:15am

tellmeabit wrote: »

I've one bullong this am, 35 days after calving. Would she hold if served? I had 42 days in my head for some reason after calving

Chance her in my opinion

Hard Knocks · 28-05-2020 11:38am

tellmeabit wrote: »

I've one bullong this am, 35 days after calving. Would she hold if served? I had 42 days in my head for some reason after calving

Should hold

tellmeabit · 28-05-2020 11:50am

I've her in. Will know in time I suppose. Thanks

High bike · 28-05-2020 6:08pm

Gudstock wrote: »

Have 3 great heifers off of him, very impressed by quality - length and muscle.
Easy calved, id still be careful using on maidens tho- im personally gone to aa and maybe saler on maidens, maybe using easy LMs on very plain large frame Sim maidens.
One of the three is cracked stupid btw - when debudding she was climbing walls!!
Saying that i had no hesitation in using him again this year, i figure very good easy calving terminal sire.

how many days do they carry to him on average for u think,have one due to him tomorrow but if say at least another week in her

tanko · 28-05-2020 7:38pm

fanmanad wrote: »

Belongs to a neighbour of mine. Cracking calf

Savage calf. It was a section tho,.
The mother is a MVO X BYU X Angus.
Would he have many like that every year?

ABitofsense · 28-05-2020 7:45pm

High bike wrote: »

how many days do they carry to him on average for u think,have one due to him tomorrow but if say at least another week in her

Ours varied 1-6 days over.

Hard Knocks · 28-05-2020 7:46pm

tanko wrote: »

Savage calf. It was a section tho,.
The mother is a MVO X BYU X Angus.
Would he have many like that every year?

What you think of MVO?

tanko · 28-05-2020 10:27pm

Hard Knocks wrote: »

What you think of MVO?

Don't know anything about him, hard calved Charolais bulls wouldn't be something i'd be interested in.

charolais0153 · 28-05-2020 10:53pm

Hard Knocks wrote: »

What you think of MVO?

Nice pedigree in him, never heard of him tbh

RobinBanks · 30-05-2020 8:55am

Lady Haywire wrote: »

I've one Cavalands Jolly heifer to AI this year

What do you think of Jolly? I have an unregistered ped lim cow in herd. Medium to small in size. Looking for a bull that would compliment her. I wonder is jolly the sort of bull suited to tall or low cows

patsy_mccabe · 30-05-2020 9:46am

RobinBanks wrote: »

What do you think of Jolly? I have an unregistered ped lim cow in herd. Medium to small in size. Looking for a bull that would compliment her. I wonder is jolly the sort of bull suited to tall or low cows

Cavelands Jolly Lm2395 scores 75 for height and 79 for length of back, so suited more to smallish muscely types.

patsy_mccabe · 30-05-2020 9:47am

Anyne here ever use Grangeford Jojo (LM23253)? I'm tempted to get some straws for pedigrees.

RobinBanks · 30-05-2020 11:09am

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Cavelands Jolly Lm2395 scores 75 for height and 79 for length of back, so suited more to smallish muscely types.

Thanks allot Patsy. That’s good advice.how do you interpret these scores? What’s the scale? 0-100?

patsy_mccabe · 30-05-2020 11:59am

RobinBanks wrote: »

Thanks allot Patsy. That’s good advice.how do you interpret these scores? What’s the scale? 0-100?

Ya, these figures are percentiles for the breed, so 79 would be 79 out of 100. 50 would be average for the breed.

Jolly is 21% for Muscle overall and 74% for skeletal overall. So it depends how you interpret that. To me that's big open type cows. His back breeding, as said already, is very good too.

https://webapp.icbf.com/v2/app/bull-search/view/1241276783

RobinBanks · 30-05-2020 12:37pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Ya, these figures are percentiles for the breed, so 79 would be 79 out of 100. 50 would be average for the breed.

Jolly is 21% for Muscle overall and 74% for skeletal overall. So it depends how you interpret that. To me that's big open type cows. His back breeding, as said already, is very good too.

https://webapp.icbf.com/v2/app/bull-search/view/1241276783

Cheers for that. I have 2 lim cows that are polar opposites to each other. One very tall and no muscle. The other small with small bit of muscle. I am going to give both Jolly for the craic. Will be interesting to see how they compare.

RobinBanks · 30-05-2020 12:39pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

His back breeding, as said already, is very good too.

https://webapp.icbf.com/v2/app/bull-search/view/1241276783

He has great breeding alright.

RobinBanks · 31-05-2020 9:52am

I have a few lodge hamlet straws. Would he be suitable for blue cows?

Who2 · 31-05-2020 1:52pm

RobinBanks wrote: »

I have a few lodge hamlet straws. Would he be suitable for blue cows?

I’d be thinking yes. Straws for him have got dear. I put him on an mbp heifer the other day.

Lady Haywire · 31-05-2020 3:07pm

RobinBanks wrote: »

What do you think of Jolly? I have an unregistered ped lim cow in herd. Medium to small in size. Looking for a bull that would compliment her. I wonder is jolly the sort of bull suited to tall or low cows

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Cavelands Jolly Lm2395 scores 75 for height and 79 for length of back, so suited more to smallish muscely types.

This is the Jolly I have, off a tall enough cow but would be quite muscley in her breeding with ERE her sire.

She's just about a year now, her full brother this year looks to be similar to her but a better shoulder.

jfh · 31-05-2020 5:24pm

Hi patsy, this is mainly directed those you, you keep a eye on the linear traits, I breed my own replacements, my heifers are mainly limx sim, my bull is lim and great shape but no great length or height, what ai bull would you cross these to? My ai man is munster ai. Thanks

patsy_mccabe · 31-05-2020 7:43pm

jfh wrote: »

Hi patsy, this is mainly directed those you, you keep a eye on the linear traits, I breed my own replacements, my heifers are mainly limx sim, my bull is lim and great shape but no great length or height, what ai bull would you cross these to? My ai man is munster ai. Thanks

It's the Limousins I watch mainly. If you want to add length and height go for high skeletal values. You can download the excel file from here;
https://www.icbf.com/wp/?page_id=200

Sort then under Skeletal. Here's one I did earlier;

Active Munster / PG Lim Bulls - Skeletal Values with Reliability over 80%.

Bigbird1 · 31-05-2020 7:55pm

Who2 wrote: »

I’d be thinking yes. Straws for him have got dear. I put him on an mbp heifer the other day.

How much are straws now?

Hamlet X MBP should clik well

adne · 31-05-2020 8:16pm

RobinBanks wrote: »

I have a few lodge hamlet straws. Would he be suitable for blue cows?

I'd put hamlet on the tall scopy lim cow you mentioned.. I'll dig up a pic of hamlet calf off a leggy heifer

adne · 31-05-2020 8:21pm

Hamlet calf off a heifer

Who2 · 31-05-2020 8:22pm

Bigbird1 wrote: »

How much are straws now?

Hamlet X MBP should clik well

45 including service.

adne · 31-05-2020 8:22pm

6 week off loyal ped heifer off a cloughhead umpire heifer. Very happy with quality and easy calved

adne · 31-05-2020 8:26pm

jfh wrote: »

Hi patsy, this is mainly directed those you, you keep a eye on the linear traits, I breed my own replacements, my heifers are mainly limx sim, my bull is lim and great shape but no great length or height, what ai bull would you cross these to? My ai man is munster ai. Thanks

Bavarage on-dit, FZF or fl21 f you want to add length and skeleton all consistent in that department

tanko · 31-05-2020 8:50pm

adne wrote: »

Bavarage on-dit, FZF or fl21 f you want to add length and skeleton all consistent in that department

ONI and FZF are great bulls on the right cow but i wouldn't use FL21 again if i was paid to. Wild leggy feckers is all i ever got off him.

adne · 31-05-2020 9:22pm

tanko wrote: »

ONI and FZF are great bulls on the right cow but i wouldn't use FL21 again if i was paid to. Wild leggy feckers is all i ever got off him.

Ya fl21 v leggy n temperament questionable but if crossed on butty muscly cows brings a gr8 animal

ManRed20 · 01-06-2020 1:34pm

Has anyone any experience with Whitecliffe James? What sort of calves is he breeding?

Hard Knocks · 01-06-2020 2:59pm

ManRed20 wrote: »

Has anyone any experience with Whitecliffe James? What sort of calves is he breeding?

Depends on the cow
Have a super muscle calf off him (cow would have a bit) But small
Heard of plain cows with tall plain calves
Easy calved and short gestation (283 days)

milligan2 · 01-06-2020 9:23pm

3EAF0CE4-115C-4E03-90EA-112286C75688.jpegLodge Hamlet heifer 185 days old,nice animal,long and wide.They should price him a bit lower and he fly out the door with the commercial lads

Sugarbowl · 02-06-2020 4:36pm

Does anyone know if we still need to meet the 80% 4/5 star bull AI requirement for BDGP 1? As in the cows I am currently bulling to calve down in 2021. Thanks

tanko · 02-06-2020 5:02pm

Sugarbowl wrote: »

Does anyone know if we still need to meet the 80% 4/5 star bull AI requirement for BDGP 1? As in the cows I am currently bulling to calve down in 2021. Thanks

That 80% requirement is only for calves born up to the end of this month.

BDGP 1 ends on October 31 so you can use whatever bulls you want for next year afaik.

RobinBanks · 04-06-2020 11:09am

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Ya, these figures are percentiles for the breed, so 79 would be 79 out of 100. 50 would be average for the breed.

Jolly is 21% for Muscle overall and 74% for skeletal overall. So it depends how you interpret that. To me that's big open type cows. His back breeding, as said already, is very good too.

https://webapp.icbf.com/v2/app/bull-search/view/1241276783

Hi Patsy, is there anyway to filter list of bulls based on skeletal data. Say if i wanted to call up all bulls less that 50 on height at withers, is it possible to do this? i looked at the page you linked but i didnt see a way to do this.

patsy_mccabe · 04-06-2020 12:05pm

RobinBanks wrote: »

Hi Patsy, is there anyway to filter list of bulls based on skeletal data. Say if i wanted to call up all bulls less that 50 on height at withers, is it possible to do this? i looked at the page you linked but i didnt see a way to do this.

No, it can't be done. I posted about this a while back. I was trying to do something like that, filter or sort the 'sub-indexes' of skeletal for height etc.
The only way you do it is manually and look up each bull after you have sorted them for skeletal. Very slow. Maybe one day ICBf will release all the data in Excel form.

john mayo 10 · 04-06-2020 12:51pm

How do ye find ch bull fiston from Progressive?
Have a few ai'd to him. Are they born big / small?. Etc

milligan2 · 04-06-2020 1:14pm

Fiston is a seriously good bull,born small and lively and after a month turn into muscle machines,great sellers as weanlings.
Works best on CH Lm cross cows with a bit of height,can come a bit plain off pure CH

tanko · 04-06-2020 1:16pm

john mayo 10 wrote: »

How do ye find ch bull fiston from Progressive?
Have a few ai'd to him. Are they born big / small?. Etc

I've always found him very easy calved on cows, never had to assist any unless it was a twin coming backwards.
He's lighter boned than most CH bulls. They're usually born small but don't be long shaping up.

ABitofsense · 05-06-2020 7:36pm

Anyone use Tomschoice Imperial, LM2117?

I was looking at the used straws & our AI man used him last week on one of the cows. Not sure which one exactly so the calving difficulty is worrying me. It was supposed to be Knell or ZAG.

50HX · 05-06-2020 8:37pm

Unless she's v narrow i wouldnt be overly worried at 6.7% calv diff

john mayo 10 · 05-06-2020 9:01pm

milligan2 wrote: »

Fiston is a seriously good bull,born small and lively and after a month turn into muscle machines,great sellers as weanlings.
Works best on CH Lm cross cows with a bit of height,can come a bit plain off pure CH

Good stuff. I have mostly simmentals, limousine and saler cows so should be ok

squinn2912 · 06-06-2020 8:32am

john mayo 10 wrote: »

Good stuff. I have mostly simmentals, limousine and saler cows so should be ok

Have you used the ch bull fenian at all? Seems a second rate compared to fiston. We’ve one heifer out of him crossed with a big white blue cross cow. She was always a fantastic growing animal but not as shapey as I expected. Calved about 6 weeks ago and Doing a good job

Hard Knocks · 06-06-2020 9:27am

squinn2912 wrote: »

Have you used the ch bull fenian at all? Seems a second rate compared to fiston. We’ve one heifer out of him crossed with a big white blue cross cow. She was always a fantastic growing animal but not as shapey as I expected. Calved about 6 weeks ago and Doing a good job

Fiston has 1 form of the Q204 muscle gene while Fenian doesn’t

adne · 06-06-2020 8:21pm

squinn2912 wrote: »

Have you used the ch bull fenian at all? Seems a second rate compared to fiston. We’ve one heifer out of him crossed with a big white blue cross cow. She was always a fantastic growing animal but not as shapey as I expected. Calved about 6 weeks ago and Doing a good job

Fenian cattle have better frames and bone but less muscle.

squinn2912 · 08-06-2020 2:59pm

Bought a wee sim bull to run with heifers. What do yous think of him?

tanko · 08-06-2020 3:40pm

He's very white, are you sure he's not a Charolais??

Lady Haywire · 08-06-2020 3:49pm

tanko wrote: »

He's very white, are you sure he's not a Charolais??

:D

Dunno what's got into our cows, three in heat today- A PB limo 2 months calved & a mother & daughter. The mother had the massive white calf not 6 weeks ago which needed help so I expected her to carry out to 3 months after calving, her daughter is only a month calved.
Going to try out one of those red gene blues on the ch cow, she carries some sort of red gene as her daughter (the one in heat today too) had a roan calf this year to a lm bull.

Any ch which goes well with a Salers? Wanted Eclair but AI man hasn't got him.

Hard Knocks · 08-06-2020 5:27pm

Lady Haywire wrote: »

:D

Dunno what's got into our cows, three in heat today- A PB limo 2 months calved & a mother & daughter. The mother had the massive white calf not 6 weeks ago which needed help so I expected her to carry out to 3 months after calving, her daughter is only a month calved.
Going to try out one of those red gene blues on the ch cow, she carries some sort of red gene as her daughter (the one in heat today too) had a roan calf this year to a lm bull.

Any ch which goes well with a Salers? Wanted Eclair but AI man hasn't got him.

You’re Dovea
Loki, Bud, Liscally Eti or Jasper 2

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