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Joe_ Public · 16-01-2019 5:57pm

Wouldn’t put anybody off supasundae in the champion. Sharjah is currently 3rd fav and I don’t think there’s too much between them, though think I’d want it to turn up on the soft side to favour the harrington horse.

RivetingRoger · 16-01-2019 6:04pm

If you were to rewatch last years CH, you would forget how close Melon was! If BD doesn't run to potential....Melon could be a bigger player than SS lads
(I still think Laurina is the one tho)

Joe_ Public · 16-01-2019 6:17pm

Fair point about Melon last year but you still have to make excuses for a couple of lacklustre runs. Three times he’s met SS over 2m and he’s finished behind each time, though hard to say how close it’d have been at punchestown had melon stayed upright. To repeat I do think SS would ideally want some give over 2m so would be waiting closer to the day before making any move.

madmoose · 16-01-2019 9:38pm

I hope Laurina goes for the CH just to find out what she is all about at this level, keep having a bad feeling Ruby will spin the owner to go for the Mares though even though Sullivans been determined that it’s a crack at the Champion.

Charlie George · 17-01-2019 12:23am

madmoose wrote: »

I hope Laurina goes for the CH just to find out what she is all about at this level, keep having a bad feeling Ruby will spin the owner to go for the Mares though even though Sullivans been determined that it’s a crack at the Champion.

7/2 laurina is shocking, never raced against anything and still this short. Same as Percy, only ran against novices and 4/1 for the gc.

sitkaspruce · 17-01-2019 12:30am

Charlie George wrote: »

7/2 laurina is shocking, never raced against anything and still this short. Same as Percy, only ran against novices and 4/1 for the gc.

I agree RE Laurina - beaten nothing. looking forward to see how she goes in Leopardstown in a few weeks, If well beaten by SS / Sharjah / Melon / AJ, She will surely be routed to the Mares race which is turning out to be quite competitive this year if the main players turn up (Verdana Blue / Benie Des Dieux / Stormy Ireland et al)

madmoose · 17-01-2019 1:09am

Charlie George wrote: »

7/2 laurina is shocking, never raced against anything and still this short. Same as Percy, only ran against novices and 4/1 for the gc.

Horrendous price but not the horse’s fault, just hope she goes so we see were she stands and if she fails it’s not the end of the world with the future ahead of her, rather try early than late.

Slattsy · 17-01-2019 8:58am

The interesting thing about Laurena, is this in my opinion... Melon pushed BD all the way last year and possibly could have won with Ruby on board.. (didn't get the best of runs)..
Ruby will pick Laurena over Melon everyday of the week from what I've read.

I won't be backing her, but they know what they have at home. I think good ground is the biggest issue for her.

HandsomeBob · 17-01-2019 1:39pm

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Strange that PP still haven't gone NRNB on all races.
They did on 9/1/18
We are now at 16/1/19 and still no sign of it

In no rush to make it too easy for the punter. Don't blame them.....going nrnb that early last year on all races was just a PR stunt that probably cost them.

realdanbreen · 17-01-2019 1:52pm

HandsomeBob wrote: »

In no rush to make it too easy for the punter. Don't blame them.....going nrnb that early last year on all races was just a PR stunt that probably cost them.

Agree that it was a PR stunt, most of these things are, but can't see how it could have cost them.

HandsomeBob · 17-01-2019 5:04pm

realdanbreen wrote: »

Agree that it was a PR stunt, most of these things are, but can't see how it could have cost them.

What I mean is that you probably had punters doing all sorts of donkey bets on the big handicaps and the like safe in the knowledge that the worst that could happen is that they'd get their money back.

Most bookies won't go nrnb on all races until the month of march.

WicklowBrave · 17-01-2019 6:00pm

Charlie George wrote: »

Same as Percy, only ran against novices and 4/1 for the gc.

You must have missed the Porterstown, Galmoy, and Red Mills then?

RivetingRoger · 17-01-2019 6:04pm

WicklowBrave wrote: »

You must have missed the Porterstown, Galmoy, and Red Mills then?

Percy's RSA last year was a monster performance beating a bloody good horse and one of the favs for the Ryanair in 2019

Charlie George · 17-01-2019 8:38pm

To win the rsa is one thing but to be 7/2 and 4/1 to win the gc when he never raced in that type of company is mad.

RivetingRoger · 18-01-2019 12:18pm

Buveur D'air out to 13/8.................

Do the bookies know something?!?!?!

Slattsy · 18-01-2019 12:41pm

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Buveur D'air out to 13/8.................

Do the bookies know something?!?!?!

Didn't Henderson only recently say he was a bit sore after his last race, and receiving some treatment (physio?) - probably just reacting to that.

longshotvalue · 18-01-2019 12:55pm

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Buveur D'air out to 13/8.................

Do the bookies know something?!?!?!

Id say that 13/8 is about the right price. That will be available on the day anyway for sure..

EICVD · 18-01-2019 2:12pm

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Percy's RSA last year was a monster performance beating a bloody good horse and one of the favs for the Ryanair in 2019

I don’t get the logic behind De Bromhead preferring the Ryanair for Monalee. He wasn’t far behind Percy in the RSA & he hammered Elegant Escape & Black Corton in that who are Gold Cup bound.

akelly02 · 18-01-2019 2:30pm

EICVD wrote: »

I don’t get the logic behind De Bromhead preferring the Ryanair for Monalee. He wasn’t far behind Percy in the RSA & he hammered Elegant Escape & Black Corton in that who are Gold Cup bound.

Was clearly outstayed by Percy , and he was a fair bit behind him from memory, about 10 lengths?

RivetingRoger · 18-01-2019 2:43pm

akelly02 wrote: »

Was clearly outstayed by Percy , and he was a fair bit behind him from memory, about 10 lengths?

Percy destroyed Monalee that day

EICVD · 19-01-2019 7:50pm

akelly02 wrote: »

Was clearly outstayed by Percy , and he was a fair bit behind him from memory, about 10 lengths?

But he was closer to Percy than EE & BC were to him. Not saying Monalee will win the Gold Cup just if I was personally involved with him I’d rather run in that than the Ryanair considering how open the Gold Cup is.

Andrew00 · 19-01-2019 8:23pm

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Buveur D'air out to 13/8.................

Do the bookies know something?!?!?!

Is there something Nicky isn’t telling us !?!??

NaiveMelodies · 27-01-2019 5:44pm

NaiveMelodies wrote: »

I think Espoir D'allen in the Champion Hurdle at 25s NRNB could be pretty good value.
Won't run unless they really fancy him to handle the step up and if he does his chances surely aren't too far off Laurinas on all known form.
If you're looking for an unexposed angle into the race, Espoir D surely represents better value.

Fairly happy with that today and think it'll be hard for JP to not run him in the CH now.

Will get a lovely toe into the race and devastate them with his turnover to win his first, but not last, CH. :-/

BumperD · 27-01-2019 5:52pm

His jumping was a little sketchy, wish he was driven into last rather than made guess at it by BG

EICVD · 27-01-2019 6:15pm

Listening to Cromwell after if he had his way he wouldn’t be running him in the champion this year

NaiveMelodies · 27-01-2019 6:18pm

BumperD wrote: »

His jumping was a little sketchy, wish he was driven into last rather than made guess at it by BG

Thought his jumping was very slick and economical bar one minor error and obviously the last.

HarshOstrich · 28-01-2019 12:21am

One horse that hasn’t been mentioned after frodons win, unsurprisingly is baron alco I see he is 25/1 in the brown advisory.
He Beat frodon getting 17 pounds but was 4th the next time getting 12 pounds.
Baron alco ran a career best in beating frodon that day as he jumped and travelled so well but he had excuses next time when 4th as he made a number of mistakes and was never really in a rhythm as frodon took him on.in short he wasn’t on his A game but to his credit he still challenged into the straight but the early mistakes took its toll and weakened late on.

After frodons win at Cheltenham on Saturday in a graded race I think baron alco has a cracking chance in this handicap and it’s worth remembering he was 2nd in the same race(brown advisory) 2 years ago.
The horse that beat him that day was road to respect who was 4th in the following years gold cup and a leading fancy this year.
Baron alco has no entries at the moment and I would expect him to show up here fresh and well and raring to go from the front.

25/1 with 5 places is a gift

Slattsy · 28-01-2019 10:14am

HarshOstrich wrote: »

One horse that hasn’t been mentioned after frodons win, unsurprisingly is baron alco I see he is 25/1 in the brown advisory.
He Beat frodon getting 17 pounds but was 4th the next time getting 12 pounds.
Baron alco ran a career best in beating frodon that day as he jumped and travelled so well but he had excuses next time when 4th as he made a number of mistakes and was never really in a rhythm as frodon took him on.in short he wasn’t on his A game but to his credit he still challenged into the straight but the early mistakes took its toll and weakened late on.

After frodons win at Cheltenham on Saturday in a graded race I think baron alco has a cracking chance in this handicap and it’s worth remembering he was 2nd in the same race(brown advisory) 2 years ago.
The horse that beat him that day was road to respect who was 4th in the following years gold cup and a leading fancy this year.
Baron alco has no entries at the moment and I would expect him to show up here fresh and well and raring to go from the front.

25/1 with 5 places is a gift

That's a fairly decent shout, good angle.

sdoc13 · 28-01-2019 10:57am

HarshOstrich wrote:

After frodons win at Cheltenham on Saturday in a graded race I think baron alco has a cracking chance in this handicap and itâ€™s worth remembering he was 2nd in the same race(brown advisory) 2 years ago. The horse that beat him that day was road to respect who was 4th in the following years gold cup and a leading fancy this year. Baron alco has no entries at the moment and I would expect him to show up here fresh and well and raring to go from the front.

Slattsy wrote:

That's a fairly decent shout, good angle.

Agree. Maybe we can make baron alco r his years John's spirit.

Gringo180 · 28-01-2019 6:24pm

Any chance Road to Respect goes to the Ryanair with Shattered Love going to the Gold Cup. Shes overpriced at 25s for the GC.

BumperD · 28-01-2019 8:09pm

Gringo180 wrote: »

Any chance Road to Respect goes to the Ryanair with Shattered Love going to the Gold Cup. Shes overpriced at 25s for the GC.

Shattered love is gc bound.

Kauto · 28-01-2019 11:39pm

Gringo180 wrote: »

Any chance Road to Respect goes to the Ryanair with Shattered Love going to the Gold Cup. Shes overpriced at 25s for the GC.

No

BumperD · 28-01-2019 11:59pm

EICVD wrote: »

Listening to Cromwell after if he had his way he wouldn’t be running him in the champion this year

https://www.racingpost.com/news/latest/espoir-dallen-a-champion-hurdle-doubt-as-cromwell-fears-buveur-dair/363736

Interesting assessment from Irish handicapper. You’d expect Melon to have another crack at bvd

EICVD · 29-01-2019 2:06am

Gringo180 wrote: »

Any chance Road to Respect goes to the Ryanair with Shattered Love going to the Gold Cup. Shes overpriced at 25s for the GC.

Meade has Tout Est Permis for the Ryanair

Gavin "shels" · 29-01-2019 12:51pm

The Mig wrote: »

Wouldn’t back Clan for the GC @ 8/1 with stolen cash

Can't see a reply on this Mig? Any reasoning? Just re-watched the King George, such an impressive win and overall run.

Slattsy · 29-01-2019 12:58pm

This day 6 weeks i'll be sitting down to my first pint after a bowl of coddle in the nearby café

longshotvalue · 29-01-2019 2:25pm

Slattsy wrote: »

This day 6 weeks i'll be sitting down to my first pint after a bowl of coddle in the nearby café

I'll be on the way thinking I might go through the card on the first day , or thinking Ruby Tuesday will pay well this year .

The Mig · 29-01-2019 3:09pm

Gavin shels wrote: »

Can't see a reply on this Mig? Any reasoning? Just re-watched the King George, such an impressive win and overall run.

Just thought the KG was a bit of a mad result/race to be honest. Can see him traveling well but outstayed up the hill. There's maybe 4/5 horses I'd back at bigger prices than 8/1 who I think have a better chance of winning

Gringo180 · 29-01-2019 8:16pm

Clan Des Obeaux performance in the KG was the best 3 mile chase performance of the year. Hes age on his side as well and looks a rapidly improving sort. Ill be shocked if hes not on the snaff turning into the straight.

RivetingRoger · 29-01-2019 8:46pm

Anyone think Might Bite could be the dark horse (literally) this year
If this wind op goes well and NH does what only he can, with a weak field, lets be honest, if the ground suits........
currently 20/1.....

Of course, he could also just be this years Yorkhill and just not map atall!

Gringo180 · 29-01-2019 8:49pm

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Anyone think Might Bite could be the dark horse (literally) this year
If this wind op goes well and NH does what only he can, with a weak field, lets be honest, if the ground suits........
currently 20/1.....

Of course, he could also just be this years Yorkhill and just not map atall!

Only 10s with Bet 365. Where you getting 20s?

longshotvalue · 29-01-2019 9:12pm

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Anyone think Might Bite could be the dark horse (literally) this year
If this wind op goes well and NH does what only he can, with a weak field, lets be honest, if the ground suits........
currently 20/1.....

Of course, he could also just be this years Yorkhill and just not map atall!

I think he'll be the one I eventually go for at the prices . Him and sizing John look the value at the moment . If the ground is good they have big chances .

Angliru · 29-01-2019 9:34pm

Gringo180 wrote: »

Only 10s with Bet 365. Where you getting 20s?

That'd be NRNB. Can easily get 14s and 16s across the other books. 20s on Betfair and Unibet. Oddschecker is a very handy bit of kit lad. Would be half tempted by SJ at 25s especially with Aidan's blessing!

Trying to remove my bias but I can't help make my eyes jump out seeing Thistlecrack at 16s. Gold Cup is a very interesting market although most markets are extremely interesting given the lacklustre form from most horses, especially from a lot of the bigger names.

RivetingRoger · 29-01-2019 10:25pm

Angliru wrote: »

That'd be NRNB. Can easily get 14s and 16s across the other books. 20s on Betfair and Unibet. Oddschecker is a very handy bit of kit lad. Would be half tempted by SJ at 25s especially with Aidan's blessing!

Trying to remove my bias but I can't help make my eyes jump out seeing Thistlecrack at 16s. Gold Cup is a very interesting market although most markets are extremely interesting given the lacklustre form from most horses, especially from a lot of the bigger names.

I've been on the Thistlecrack train since the KG too lad. His price relative to NR given their 2 runs this year is baffling.

sitkaspruce · 29-01-2019 10:56pm

Sizing John a NR this weekend, Will he get a run before the Festival?

Gavin "shels" · 29-01-2019 11:58pm

Slattsy wrote: »

This day 6 weeks i'll be sitting down to my first pint after a bowl of coddle in the nearby café

Had to forfeit my Tuesday half day in work.... will be working until 1pm then back on between races from the comfort of my sitting room!! Will make it to the pub Thursday and Friday most likely - can't be greedy!! :pac:

Gringo180 wrote: »

Clan Des Obeaux performance in the KG was the best 3 mile chase performance of the year. Hes age on his side as well and looks a rapidly improving sort. Ill be shocked if hes not on the snaff turning into the straight.

Agreed!!

The Mig · 30-01-2019 12:00am

Snaff away into the straight all he likes he’ll fall into a hole when the stayers are there and start pushing

NaiveMelodies · 30-01-2019 12:02am

What that guy said /\

Gavin "shels" · 30-01-2019 12:02am

Who's your idea of the winner so? A repeat for Native River?

Gringo180 · 30-01-2019 9:04am

The Mig wrote: »

Snaff away into the straight all he likes he’ll fall into a hole when the stayers are there and start pushing

Hes an ambundance of stamina too, badly outpaced and he was only getting going jumping the last in last years big handicap chase @Chelt over 2m 5f giving nearly 2 stone to the winner. I just cant fathom how a Paul Nicholls young improving 7 year old who won a King George with loads left in the tank and has course form is such a big price.

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