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Heated Gaming Topics Discussion

  • 05-09-2019 5:20pm
    #1
    Potential-Monke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,279 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    As others have noted, the News and General threads keep getting clogged up with the 'debate' around heated topics, such as Gamergate, Star Citizen et al. So, I've created this topic specifically to discuss the heated gaming topics.

    Suppose it would be best to continue the debate from the News thread, so whoever wants to start on the Star Citizen stuff, go!


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  • #2
    Venom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭Venom


    board-games-are.jpg


  • #3
    gimli2112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,409 ✭✭✭✭gimli2112


    Awesome I've never fully understood gamergate and don't know what StarCitizen is so this is great for the likes of me.


  • #4
    johnny_ultimate
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,716 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    gimli2112 wrote: »
    Awesome I've never fully understood gamergate and don't know what StarCitizen is so this is great for the likes of me.

    Truly the most blissful form of glorious ignorance.


  • #5
    Skerries
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,551 ✭✭✭✭Skerries


    neither do I because I couldn't give a shít about any of the bitching that the journalists and developers are moaning about, I just want to play good games
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  • #6
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    If people want to talk about it I'm ok with that but it's tiresome seeing it come up in the general news thread and wading through the usual back and forth. Mod note in the news thread or something saying discussion about it goes here now?


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  • #7
    SomeSayKos
    Registered Users Posts: 678 ✭✭✭SomeSayKos


    My bad. I don't mean to be complicit in derailing the news thread but it gets my back up when people link to content made from absolute scumbags. A separate thread is probably for the best.


  • #8
    Canis Lupus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,893 ✭✭✭Canis Lupus


    I pretty much ignored gamergate and just pegged the lot as 'internet drama'.


  • #9
    Zero-Cool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,901 ✭✭✭✭Zero-Cool


    Sonic > Mario


  • #10
    gimli2112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,409 ✭✭✭✭gimli2112


    This is the kind of thread where you can wander in and say you're thinking of buying a game console but which one?


    Seriously though Gear of War which I've always kind of liked the look of but never played looks amazing this time out.


  • #11
    Retr0gamer
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,826 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Gears is a game series that looks like everything wrong with gaming, the roided up heroes, the over the top western art style, the unimaginative third person action. Yet I've always had a lot of time for it as it's dumb but knowingly so, the mechanics are really solid, why nobody has ripped off the active reload mechanic is beyond me and the very odd time it can actually surprise you with drama/stupidity.
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  • #12
    K.O.Kiki
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,731 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    Gamergate had 1 good idea (journalistic integrity) and got derailed because the Internet is full of Americans who can only see the world in terms of "Us vs Them".

    Clickbait is still here.
    Kotaku occasionally posts good articles, but more often posts inflammatory or outright false BS.
    RockPaperShotgun has gone to shít.


  • #13
    EoinHef
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,578 ✭✭✭EoinHef


    K.O.Kiki wrote: »
    Gamergate had 1 good idea (journalistic integrity) and got derailed because the Internet is full of Americans who can only see the world in terms of "Us vs Them".

    Clickbait is still here.
    Kotaku occasionally posts good articles, but more often posts inflammatory or outright false BS.
    RockPaperShotgun has gone to shít.

    The latest controversy over the new dave chapelle comedy special on netflix shows how a lot of these media companies are just totally disconnected from the general public as a whole.

    Theres a lot crap out there that tries to influence people rather than just reporting stuff. Im totally fine with a journalist saying he has a bias and an opinion but there seems to be a trend where they leave no room for other opinions.

    Other opinions are framed as being hateful etc

    Even traditional media has gone to crap,just look at the english papers regarding brexit,a lot of what they have said is rubbish and some of it is just plain lies,but their looking to influence people rather than giving them the facts.

    Its getting harder and harder to seperate all the BS from whats actually going on in the real world.


  • #14
    brianregan09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,482 ✭✭✭brianregan09


    gimli2112 wrote: »
    This is the kind of thread where you can wander in and say you're thinking of buying a game console but which one?


    Seriously though Gear of War which I've always kind of liked the look of but never played looks amazing this time out.

    The one thing that Gears had over all the other similar stories was the story and characters they lost that after Gears 3 and haven't been the same since , I bought an Xbox 1 just to play Gears 4 I ended up regretting it


  • #15
    Robert ninja
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,878 ✭✭✭Robert ninja


    Tim Sweeny interview canceled by obsessed journos. It was going to be about free expression and the Chinese related news going on right now. I would've loved to have heard it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0j1im09XPq8


    Another interview silenced although this time at the request of the family

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIMSfe0qFo8


  • #16
    johnny_ultimate
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,716 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    It’s almost like being a toxic, creepy man child has consequences, TheQuartering!


  • #17
    one armed dwarf
    Registered Users Posts: 878 ✭✭✭one armed dwarf


    K.O.Kiki wrote: »
    Gamergate had 1 good idea (journalistic integrity) and got derailed because the Internet is full of Americans who can only see the world in terms of "Us vs Them".

    Clickbait is still here.
    Kotaku occasionally posts good articles, but more often posts inflammatory or outright false BS.
    RockPaperShotgun has gone to shít.

    As someone who was on /v/ a lot when that stuff started to kick off, I don't believe for a minute it had anything to do with 'journalistic integrity'. 'Journalistic integrity' is a shield similar to how white nationalists neuter their image with the label 'alt right'.

    If 4chan archive is still a thing then I'm sure you could probably find these old threads somewhere and the pathetic attempt they made to soften their image with 'Vivian James' (****ing lol). 'GamerGate' was how they packaged it up in a way that could reliably deceive people as to its true purpose.

    Just think for a minute, was there ever really any meaningful conflicts of interest exposed by GG? The Zoe Quinn thing was just predicated on a salty blogpost by an ex. I remember once a big deal was made because a number of gaming journos shared a chat group, like this was some massively incriminating thing. The objective was to taint and attack, never to expose. It didn't matter what the evidence was, so long as it could be forced to fit a narrative. GG was about trying to assert an identity that was perceived under threat (sounds familiar..)

    Before the GG label had even reached critical mass it was very much a targetted harassment campaign against public figures who this group didn't like much. So Zoe Quinn, Phil Fish (who we don't hear much from anymore) and the one who did Tropes v Women (forgot her name right now).

    That's not to say I'm going to run to the defence of everything Kotaku has ever written because it can be click-baitey and they can go for low hanging fruit. But it's the nature of that business I guess and it never warranted the response that happened.

    Anyway that's my 2c, speaking as someone who shamefully bought into this rubbish once and is familiar with the mental gymnastics that got used


  • #18
    Kallie Polite Butterfly
    Posts: 0 ✭ Kallie Polite Butterfly


    I've absolutely no idea what's going on with Blizzard the company but I see it popping up everywhere. Haven't bothered to read into it.


  • #19
    Retr0gamer
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,826 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Basically Blizzard banning people protesting about a genocidal regime and also banning people in the vicinity of people protesting about a genocidal regime. Then release a statement saying that Winnie the pooh is grand and not to be slagging him off which makes things worse.
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  • #20
    one armed dwarf
    Registered Users Posts: 878 ✭✭✭one armed dwarf


    It's interesting how hard Blizzard have worked at cultivating an inclusive and progressive image when it suits them, but when speaking truth to power hurts the bottom line they quickly become cowards.


  • #21
    Retr0gamer
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,826 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Who would have thought that selling out to Activision would make them into a greedy morally bankrupt entity?

    I feel sorry for the PR people dealing with the statements that they are being told to put out by management and shareholders. Would be nice to see how these people would react if they had to put a face and name to their utterly uncompassionate statements.
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  • #22
    Grumpypants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,917 ✭✭✭Grumpypants


    I'm lost, do we want politics kept out of games? Or do we want politics in games? I'm not sure what to be outraged about this week.

    Hopefully, the Quartering makes 18 videos about a tweet to get me back on track.


  • #23
    Varik
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,552 ✭✭✭✭Varik


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    Who would have thought that selling out to Activision would make them into a greedy morally bankrupt entity?

    Blizzard didn't sell out to anyone, and as a subsidiary of Vivendi it'd be the other way around as they came out as majority shareholders.


  • #24
    K.O.Kiki
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,731 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    Grumpypants wrote: »
    I'm lost, do we want politics kept out of games? Or do we want politics in games? I'm not sure what to be outraged about this week.

    Hopefully, the Quartering makes 18 videos about a tweet to get me back on track.
    I'm fine with politics being in games.

    Appeasing to horrid regimes like China though? Feck right off!


  • #25
    Retr0gamer
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,826 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    I'm also not fine with companies pretending their games have a neutral stance to try and have their cake and eat it and appeal to a wider market when their games quite clearly are making a political statement. Grow some balls you pathetic ****s.

    I see the end point of this where all bad guys in games with have stereotypical Italian accents as an Italian accent can never be racist (it's true, I don't make these rules).
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  • #26
    K.O.Kiki
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,731 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    I'm also not fine with companies pretending their games have a neutral stance to try and have their cake and eat it and appeal to a wider market when their games quite clearly are making a political statement. Grow some balls you pathetic ****s.

    I see the end point of this where all bad guys in games with have stereotypical Italian accents as an Italian accent can never be racist (it's true, I don't make these rules).

    Reminder that Homefront changed the antagonists from communist China to "unified North Korea".


  • #27
    Robert ninja
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,878 ✭✭✭Robert ninja


    More hitpieces, more blackmailing from the usual anti-gg clique. She admits to writing lies about GG for money, not that anyone needs them to admit that.

    https://boundingintocomics.com/2019/10/19/esports-journalist-richard-lewis-reveals-past-writing-history-to-combat-alleged-blackmail-campaign/

    https://twitter.com/RLewisReports/status/1185317994806706176

    Once you're on the wrong side of these creeps they'll write anything to try and smear your reputation. Richard Lewis does not deserve this shyte.


  • #28
    Canis Lupus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,893 ✭✭✭Canis Lupus


    ^^

    I'm confused about why this is important.


  • #29
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,253 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    Canis Lupus wrote: »
    ^^

    I'm confused about why this is important.

    It's not.


  • #30
    riclad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    I think we need to keep politic,s out of game,s ,or at least out of esports ,
    imagine if at every international soccer match there were protests about trump,china, extinction climate change, etc
    I understand if theres esports events in china, hong kong, certain other citys,
    it may be hard to stop people who want to hold up signs or wear shirts with slogans on them at international events .
    I have no problem with games having some political content ,
    or having characters that have opinions on political issues, ,
    if the game is well written and realistic or has some point to make about the real world . The film industry have this issue too,
    china is a big market for hollywood blockbuster,s ,action film,s
    now all villian,s in new film,s ,are russian, east european,japanese, anything but chinese .
    I can,t think of a recent game where the villain or the main enemy is chinese or the chinese army is shown in a negative fashion .

    https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/16/20917574/blizzard-ban-hearthstone-college-students-grandmaster-china-hong-kong-protests

    If you are playing on an esports team paid for by a company
    you might have to sign a contract, saying you will not make any political statements or talk about politic,s while streaming the game or playing in an esports event .
    China is a major market for games and console,s .
    IF there,s protest,s at certain events or on gaming streams,
    what will happen is all the games made by blizzard will be banned in china .so how doe,s that help anyone ?
    China can easily block twitch and game streaming websites, if it wants to.
    If it has not done so already.
    We have seen this issue with apple and google in china,
    if you want to do business in china ,
    you have to go along with chinese law,s .


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  • #31
    K.O.Kiki
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,731 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    riclad wrote: »
    imagine if at every international soccer match there were protests about trump,china, extinction climate change, etc

    I would like that very much.
    Too bad sports/esports seems to turn groups of people into a brainless crowd instead. :pac:


  • #32
    Robert ninja
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,878 ✭✭✭Robert ninja


    2018: All games are political you can't stop it even if you made the game and say it isn't. Accept our agenda or get de-platformed.
    2019: Doh!


  • #33
    Robert ninja
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,878 ✭✭✭Robert ninja


    PostWoke wrote: »
    I certainly don't want to hear that CYKA BLYYYYYYYYAT ****. Let them be banned before they even get to my ear.
    Are you mad? Cyka blyat is practically a meme in the CSGO community at this point. Non-russian speaking players even say it as a joke to each other. Your suggestions are balls you'd end up banning nearly half the player base. Terrible ideas but you're still all for it because muh hate speech.
    PostWoke wrote: »
    Less persistent than a literal AI algo I bet.
    Cheaters and bad actors are persistent enough to avoid bans, work around them for years, willing to rebuy the game dozens of times and clearly state in-game that they don't care if they're banned even egging people on to report them because they'll just create a new account. But simply not saying any words that appear on google's ban list after the cost of creating a new account to play has a discount of 100%? Yeah they'll never bother.
    PostWoke wrote: »
    Got some examples for us chief? From countries in the west obviously, CCP is a little different until Google starts coming to our doors to ghost us
    https://www.newscientist.com/article/2166207-discriminating-algorithms-5-times-ai-showed-prejudice/
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/20/business/media/facebook-racist-ads.html
    https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/03/19/police-question-uk-journalist-for-misgendering-a-transgender-woman/
    https://www.theorganicprepper.com/ai-hate/
    https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=13560
    https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/08/31/ai_toxic_comments/

    I don't want AI saying what is/isn't hateful, mean spirited or whatever else. It's a human issue and a social one. I use harsh language when playing games with my friends and we all enjoy it. If people don't want to see/hear words or anything from certain players just censor it out for them in text or apply an automute system that's opt-in. Then they can enjoy their game in complete silence with no chance of being offended by anything. Until they get T-bagged and the AI calls the police because of virtual rape.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQkENXa9WNE


  • #34
    Robert ninja
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,878 ✭✭✭Robert ninja


    Reddit gaming communities were on a delete spree about the Twitch "charity" issue going on right now. OAG has a decent write up about the entire issue: https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2019/11/twitch-charity-fraud-censored-by-some-major-gaming-sub-reddits/96567/

    As for the whole G/O Media/Kotaku issue, another great summarisation of what's going on for them:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dQU7cu7Y2w


  • #35
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,277 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    OneAngryGamer and some other angry male youtube channel.

    I'm sure both are great sources of balanced coverage.


  • #36
    super_furry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,348 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Wasn't there a special thread created for all this Gamergate drivel?


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  • #37
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    No outlet publishing content with a title like "The well deserved demise of Kotaku", should be entitled to call itself even remotely balanced, or particularly sober. Screw that blatant clickbait noise.
    super_furry wrote: »
    Wasn't there a special thread created for all this Gamergate drivel?

    Given some around here get upset about anything vaguely "topical" actually discussed, I guess the oneAngryGamer clickbait should be automatically moved to the "Heated Discussion" thread, lest discussion spontaneously break out? ;)


  • #38
    Robert ninja
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,878 ✭✭✭Robert ninja


    You're free to post other outlets covering the Twitch & G/O stories.


  • #39
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Robert ninja wrote: »
    You're free to post other outlets covering the Twitch & G/O stories.

    YOU started the conversation dude, why not share sources more respected than the usual "I hate Kotaku" biased, hobby-horse types ;)


  • #40
    Robert ninja
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,878 ✭✭✭Robert ninja


    pixelburp wrote: »
    why not share sources more respected
    I'm ok with the sources I posted especially UEG. Go ahead and post the 'respected' ones though since you seem to be the expert on that.


  • #41
    PostWoke
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 559 ✭✭✭PostWoke


    super_furry wrote: »
    Wasn't there a special thread created for all this Gamergate drivel?

    Yeah there's an Antifa thread for all the alt-righters to hang out in and claim Antifa is the end of civilization :pac:


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  • #42
    Shiminay
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 28,633 Mod ✭✭✭✭Shiminay


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias


  • #43
    PostWoke
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 559 ✭✭✭PostWoke


    Robert ninja wrote: »
    2018: All games are political you can't stop it even if you made the game and say it isn't. Accept our agenda or get de-platformed.
    2019: Doh!

    Can you elaborate on the 'd'oh'? We are days away from one of the most personal politics filled title of the year, Death Stranding, and people are salivating for it.


  • #44
    hellsing101
    Registered Users Posts: 228 ✭✭hellsing101


    PostWoke wrote: »
    Can you elaborate on the 'd'oh'? We are days away from one of the most personal politics filled title of the year, Death Stranding, and people are salivating for it.


    I wouldn't necessarily say people are salivating for Death Stranding, it will do well because of the names attached to it but I would imagine a lot of people will be put off if it presents an overly preachy message.



    From initial reviews it seems gameplay is fairly lacking so that will hurt sales too I'd imagine.


    There isn't anything inherently wrong with having some politics in your game but at the end of the day if the game isn't fun no amount of politics can make it a good game.


  • #45
    Varik
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,552 ✭✭✭✭Varik


    Kotaku do actually write about games at least, they're up their own holes in the same nonsense as deadspin but unlike deadspin they do actually cover their supposed beat.

    If they keep their heads down they'd probably continue unless revenue is worse than it looks. Don't think they will, don't think they can hep themselves. From taking pot shots on SM to snide remarks in their actual articles.


  • #46
    PostWoke
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 559 ✭✭✭PostWoke


    hellsing101 wrote: »
    I wouldn't necessarily say people are salivating for Death Stranding

    It's a Hideo Kojima title.

    It's ok to be wrong sometimes.


  • #47
    gizmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,405 ✭✭✭gizmo


    Back in June when CNET published their "Meet the angry gaming YouTubers who turn outrage into views" article, I made the comment about UEG below in my post on the subject.
    Chris Zakrzewski of Upper Echelon Gamers, initially started his channel to talk about a game he was clearly into, The Division, but over time found a considerably larger audience when he leaned into the "critical" side of commentary and when I say critical, I don't mean analysis. You can actually see this shift if you scroll through the overview of his videos on his channel here. When asked would he consider changing that formula, as he says in the article, it was a hard no.

    If you have a scroll through the list in the above link again, you'll see nothing has changed since the publication of the article. Again, take note of the sheer overwhelming number of negative videos complete with inflammatory text and headlines compared to the relatively tiny number of positive ones until you get back to the beginning of his channel.

    Now read this...
    When the ability to grab cheap clicks with a title that rage baits your audience dries up, the potential for quality work expands. It might be overly optimistic to expect an increase but the possibility is there.

    That's a direct quote from his video above on this subject matter.

    The video itself is, rather unsurprisingly, complete garbage. Bereft of logical consistency from the start, it degenerates further into him just disingenuously ranting about the publications and their staff as well as taking a bizarrely benign view of the blatant corporate interference in the operation of the sites in question.

    On that particular note, the LA Times had a piece on the going's on at Deadspin entitled, News Analysis: I checked the math of the media bosses who told Deadspin to ‘stick to sports.’ It doesn’t add up, which is worth a read if you're interested in the potential reasoning behind the move from the parent company. There was perhaps vague reference to this in UEG's video but it's not really possible to say for sure as he didn't call the article out by name.

    In somewhat related news, the author of the original memo to Deadspin staff, Editorial Director Paul Maidment, has just resigned from G/O Media.


  • #48
    johnny_ultimate
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,716 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    You’ve got to laugh at the illogical loops the angry Internet babies are working themselves in about the current G/O situation. Surely if these people cared even slightly about ‘ethics in journalism’ they’d be jumping to the support of the journalists currently taking a public stand - up to mass resignations - against the corporate ghouls attempting to interfere with their editorial independence.

    But no. More ‘wah wah I don’t like Kotaku’s politics’ horse****.

    Also, speaking of the corpse of Deadspin, worth linking to possibly the very best article there is about GamerGate - a brilliant, frighteningly prescient take on what it represents in terms of modern culture wars. If you’ve ever wondered what all the fuss is about, this skewers right through the horse**** and excuses and gets to the essence of the thing.

    https://deadspin.com/the-future-of-the-culture-wars-is-here-and-its-gamerga-1646145844
    To even take Gamergate's corruption critique seriously enough to point out how incoherent it is, though, is to give the movement too much credit. It's not about gaming, any more than the 9/11 truther movement is about getting Dick Cheney to confess Yes, by God, yes, we did it to get our hands on Afghanistan's oil. It's about identity.


  • #49
    Varik
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,552 ✭✭✭✭Varik


    gizmo wrote: »
    On that particular note, the LA Times had a piece on the going's on at Deadspin entitled, News Analysis: I checked the math of the media bosses who told Deadspin to ‘stick to sports.’ It doesn’t add up, which is worth a read if you're interested in the potential reasoning behind the move from the parent company. There was perhaps vague reference to this in UEG's video but it's not really possible to say for sure as he didn't call the article out by name.

    In somewhat related news, the author of the original memo to Deadspin staff, Editorial Director Paul Maidment, has just resigned from G/O Media.

    Great Hill Partners are private so no public financials, but Univision had them. Even if you ignore the loss on the sale as them having overvalue the sites potential in the first place (loss of 120m), they lost about 30m most quarter and 90m in one. Another year of losses would have cost them the same as the lost selling it.

    Someone one can argue that the sport and non-sports were comparable in views but both were seemly ****.


  • #50
    PostWoke
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 559 ✭✭✭PostWoke


    Gamergate has never, ever been about 'ethics'. Been following it since August 2014, it's always been about hating on people, especially women.

    2014, what a year for the hobby. First PC Master Racers, then Gamergate. Sad, sad ****.


  • #51
    gizmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,405 ✭✭✭gizmo


    Varik wrote: »
    Great Hill Partners are private so no public financials, but Univision had them. Even if you ignore the loss on the sale as them having overvalue the sites potential in the first place (loss of 120m), they lost about 30m most quarter and 90m in one. Another year of losses would have cost them the same as the lost selling it.

    Someone one can argue that the sport and non-sports were comparable in views but both were seemly ****.
    All completely true but, importantly in this particularly context, not applicable to the subject of the memo sent to the editorial staff. If their argument was based on traffic then, according to the available information, as per the LA Times piece, their logic was flawed.

    Compounding the situation was the fact that, even before this furore, one of their clients media and ad operations teams did not believe it was likely G/O Media could deliver as many ad impressions as they originally promised, hence the decision to roll out the overtly obtrusive video ad policy across the network.

    Over-estimating ad reach, treading all over editorial independence, forcing an objectively poorer experience on visitors to the site and ultimately losing the entire staff? This is ham-fisted corporate interference at its worst so it's rather baffling to me why anyone could look in the slightest bit favourably on it, not least hope it consumes any other website in the process, even if it's one they don't like.


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