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  • #602
    check_six
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,245 ✭✭✭check_six


    Chuchote wrote: »
    I'm expecting the national flag to be changed for fluorescent green, reflective white and fluorescent orange any day now.

    Any suggestions where they might be manufactured? ;)


  • #603
    Chuchote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭Chuchote


    check_six wrote: »
    Any suggestions where they might be manufactured? ;)

    Islandeady?


  • #604
    endagibson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 382 ✭✭endagibson


    check_six wrote: »
    Any suggestions where they might be manufactured? ;)
    Know a FG donor with a textile factory?


  • #605
    Moflojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,006 ✭✭✭Moflojo


    MPs in the UK have launched a cross-party inquiry into "Cycling and the Justice System" to see whether the current judicial system is serving all cyclists. Interestingly, they're also using The Guardian's online comments system to allow the general public to make submissions to the inquiry. Here's The Guardian article introducing the inquiry:

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/2017/jan/12/is-justice-system-failing-cyclists-help-us-find-out?platform=hootsuite
    We’ll be asking specific questions about how aspects of the legal system could be improved, such as whether the Highway Code provides good enough guidance on how to behave around cyclists.

    We’ll also be seeking to find out whether the police are effective in detecting crimes on the roads and whether prosecutors and the courts are using all the means available to them to prevent illegal behaviour from recurring.


  • #606
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,161 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Portwest ltd would be where my money would go.


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  • #607
    V-man
    Registered Users Posts: 71 ✭✭V-man


    Rokta wrote: »
    What is the fetish with High Viz clothing in this country?

    The are useless and will never be as good as a decent set of lights. Every night I see cyclists with no lights but wearing this useless neon jackets/vests? I used to own one of this jackets myself and even in bright day light random white vans, buses and cars tried to kill me at least once a week in a roundabout.

    Wednesday morning Garda was giving free High-Viz to cyclist on Samuel Beckett bridge. I kindly declined.
    Prefer they give fines and points to road abusers.


  • #608
    Effects
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    Rokta wrote: »
    What is the fetish with High Viz clothing in this country?

    The are useless. Every night I see cyclists with no lights but wearing this useless neon jackets/vests?
    That's not true.


  • #609
    Chuchote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭Chuchote


    He's at it again

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/12/cyclists-dont-count-as-road-users-argues-transport-secretary?CMP=twt_gu
    (Britain's) transport secretary, Chris Grayling, has been accused of showing “an astonishing lack of knowledge” of his brief after arguing in the House of Commons that cyclists do not count as road users.

    Grayling, shown in a video last month knocking a rider off his bike by suddenly opening the door to his ministerial car outside Westminster, made the comment on Thursday morning.


  • #610
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,803 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    In case anyone really wants to get into detail about hi-viz and whether it's great or useless or something in between, we do have a hi-viz megathread.


  • #611
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,167 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i assume the article is paywalled - this is lifted from broadsheet.

    1-13-768x940.jpg


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  • #612
    Chuchote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭Chuchote


    Irish Cycling is reporting that the City Council is looking at options for bringing cyclists across the Tom Clarke (East Link) Bridge:

    http://irishcycle.com/2017/01/14/council-assessing-options-for-cycling-crossing-river-liffey-at-east-link/
    “We’re currently assessing how to put in proper pedestrian and cycling facilities on the Tom Clarke Bridge. That may be a seprate bridge beside the Tom Clarke Bridge for cyclists and pedestrians,” said Brendan O’Brien, director of traffic at Dublin City Council.

    The comment was made to local councillors at a meeting of the central area committee of the council. O’Brien was giving councillors a presentation covering the Liffey Cycle Route.


  • #613
    Moflojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,006 ✭✭✭Moflojo


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    i assume the article is paywalled - this is lifted from broadsheet.

    1-13-768x940.jpg

    It's interesting that they've focused on 'Dublin' in that headline - I'd be under the impression that cycling has boomed nationwide. I guess they're specifically referring to cycling as a means of general transport/commute, whereas cycling nationwide is still perhaps seen more as a 'leisure pursuit'.


  • #614
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,167 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    so what's going on here?
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/ross-unnecessarily-confrontational-says-rsa-chairwoman-1.2937904


  • #615
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,161 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    so what's going on here?
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/ross-unnecessarily-confrontational-says-rsa-chairwoman-1.2937904

    Ross aside, her comment stating:
    the RSA had been successful in reducing road deaths since its establishment in 2006 from 365 to 166 and it was highly regarded by the public and Oireachtas members.
    is in my opinion, a bit of a stretch. My own view from talking to various types of road users is that they are ill regarded but necessary (i.e. different people with the same remit would do a far better job). Being highly regarded by Oireachtas members is like being highly regarded by people who either don't want to be called out on something or who want to take your job when you retire and know that the best way to do this is by keeping you on side, hardly best placed to give good judgement.


  • #616
    endagibson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 382 ✭✭endagibson


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    so what's going on here?
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/ross-unnecessarily-confrontational-says-rsa-chairwoman-1.2937904
    1) Road deaths have gone up. The media are referring to it as a trend, which will probably worry people who don't understand what trends are.
    2) Something must be done.
    3) The finger of blame must be pointed somewhere else.


  • #617
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,161 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    endagibson wrote: »
    1) Road deaths have gone up. The media are referring to it as a trend, which will probably worry people who don't understand what trends are.
    Always annoyed me and many others around here. The word trend in the media, seems to have no merit passed one number is higher or lower than another number.
    We may get a year in the future where there are zero cycling fatalaties. The RSA will claim it as a victory. Politicians will delight in our new record. The media will hail some measure that had nowt to do with it as being the reason. What they will miss is that maybe, it was just a fluke. A nice one, a welcome one, but that is that.


  • #618
    Macy0161
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,483 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    Ross v RSA is like the opposite of daddy or chips for me. I don't rate Ross or the RSA, in general or on cycle safety!


  • #619
    schemingbohemia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,606 ✭✭✭schemingbohemia


    Moflojo wrote: »
    It's interesting that they've focused on 'Dublin' in that headline - I'd be under the impression that cycling has boomed nationwide. I guess they're specifically referring to cycling as a means of general transport/commute, whereas cycling nationwide is still perhaps seen more as a 'leisure pursuit'.

    The article is specifically in relation to the fact that cyclists outnumber cars on a stretch of the quays (Ellis Quay) as reported here

    http://irishcycle.com/2017/01/11/cars-off-quays-proposal-for-liffey-cycle-route-not-arrived-at-lightly/

    There's also way more stats (and more reliable) in Dublin than elsewhere in country.


  • #620
    HivemindXX
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭HivemindXX


    CramCycle wrote: »
    We may get a year in the future where there are zero cycling fatalaties. The RSA will claim it as a victory. Politicians will delight in our new record. The media will hail some measure that had nowt to do with it as being the reason. What they will miss is that maybe, it was just a fluke. A nice one, a welcome one, but that is that.

    And the next year when there are the usual single digit numbers there will be hysterical headlines. MASSIVE INCREASE IN CYCLING FATALITIES!!! INFINITY PERCENT INCREASE! Should people be allowed cycle on the roads? Without a helmet? At all? With these year on year increases maybe it is time to rethink this cycling thing. Who is to blame for this? The government is always a good bet. Maybe it should be cyclists themselves. Are parents who let their children cycle basically negligent? Here's what the AA has to say about it...


  • #621
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,167 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    not about cycling, but god bless miriam lord.
    Then there was Shane Ross. In this Government, there is always Ross. He provides the light relief, if little else.
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/miriam-lord-ross-reports-but-not-about-bus-%C3%A9ireann-report-1.2940823


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  • #622
    Chuchote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭Chuchote


    Letter to Irish Times today:

    http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/cyclepaths-and-road-users-1.2941707

    from Mike Moran of Clontarf, in reply to one complaining about cyclists on pavements:
    Yesterday I also nearly met my Waterloo in north Dublin when a bus attempted to “take me out” on a so-called “cycle path” . Unfortunately the “cyclepath” is on the main road. “Cyclepath” – the clue is in the name. Not.


  • #623
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,803 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    CramCycle wrote: »
    Ross aside, her comment stating:
    the RSA had been successful in reducing road deaths since its establishment in 2006 from 365 to 166 and it was highly regarded by the public and Oireachtas members.
    is in my opinion, a bit of a stretch.

    Yes, also in the sense that there was a gigantic recession in 2008, which always reduces road deaths, by reducing HGV traffic, and also journeys generally. Other factors outside the control of the RSA also affect road fatalities. So taking credit for the entire reduction is a bit of a stretch.


  • #624
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,803 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    CramCycle wrote: »
    Always annoyed me and many others around here. The word trend in the media, seems to have no merit passed one number is higher or lower than another number.
    We may get a year in the future where there are zero cycling fatalaties. The RSA will claim it as a victory. Politicians will delight in our new record. The media will hail some measure that had nowt to do with it as being the reason. What they will miss is that maybe, it was just a fluke. A nice one, a welcome one, but that is that.


    Yes, especially by looking at percentages, there is a strong tendency to see great momentum in what are really modest moves in very small numbers.

    Cycling fatalities up 40%! (5 to 7)
    Cycling fatalities down nearly 30%! (7 to 5)

    (Already said by HiveMind, but what the hell.)


  • #625
    Chuchote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭Chuchote


    Today's Irish Times - at last the question is asked (letters column) by Mary Fallon of Dublin 3:

    http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/cyclists-and-pedestrians-1.2943317
    When will the authorities do something about parked cars on cyclepaths?

    and Eamonn O'Neill of Templeogue writes:
    Unfortunately, many cycle paths are created on footpaths, either as shared spaces or marked with white paint. Neither is fit for purpose for pedestrians or cyclists. This is a short-sighted attempt to save money.
    Councillors should not approve such routes, and central government should greatly restrict their use.


  • #626
    HivemindXX
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭HivemindXX


    With regard to the Belfast Bikes bike rental scheme the Belfast Telegraph was trying to encourage the council to close the "loophole" whereby the first 30 minutes of each bike trip was free. Except of course you pay for that with your membership.

    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/cost-of-belfast-bikes-rental-may-increase-35379061.html

    Luckily the council voted against it. Although the Telegraph didn't seem happy characterising this as voting against a proposal to 'save' £15,000. Surely that should be charging their users an additional £15,000 though, right?

    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/belfast-council-votes-to-keep-30-minutes-free-wheeling-time-on-bikes-scheme-35383528.html


  • #627
    Moflojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,006 ✭✭✭Moflojo


    HivemindXX wrote: »
    With regard to the Belfast Bikes bike rental scheme the Belfast Telegraph was trying to encourage the council to close the "loophole" whereby the first 30 minutes of each bike trip was free. Except of course you pay for that with your membership.

    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/cost-of-belfast-bikes-rental-may-increase-35379061.html

    Luckily the council voted against it. Although the Telegraph didn't seem happy characterising this as voting against a proposal to 'save' £15,000. Surely that should be charging their users an additional £15,000 though, right?

    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/belfast-council-votes-to-keep-30-minutes-free-wheeling-time-on-bikes-scheme-35383528.html

    The Belfast Telegraph appears to have an agenda against all things public travel and active transport. They've been campaigning against bus lanes and cycle lanes for a few years now - the paper appears to be a mouthpiece for the Belfast chamber of commerce, much like 'Dublin Town' is in Dublin.

    The myopic nature of the proposed "£15,000 saving" by halving the grace period astounds me. If one was to monetise the benefits of bike sharing schemes [in terms of reduced emissions, cleaner air, reduced pressure on infrastructure and the direct health & exercise benefits to the users engaging in active travel] the savings would be in the hundreds of thousands, if not millions, per year.


  • #628
    Chuchote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭Chuchote


    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/row-grows-over-plans-for-115km-cycle-path-on-river-35389268.html
    Row grows over plans for 115km cycle path on river
    Ian Begley
    A major battle is brewing over a controversial plan by Waterways Ireland to replace the 115km grassy towpath along the River Barrow from Kildare to Carlow with hard surface to accommodate a cycleway.
    Described by Irish environmentalist Dick Warner as "the most beautiful riverside walk in these islands", the Barrow Way stretches from Lowtown, Co Kildare, to St Mullins in Co Carlow, along over 100km of canal and river towpaths.
    Planning permission to start the work is due to be lodged with Carlow County Council this week.


  • #629
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,167 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    to be fair, i can see his point.


  • #630
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,998 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Chuchote wrote: »
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/row-grows-over-plans-for-115km-cycle-path-on-river-35389268.html

    NIMBY's!


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  • #631
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,998 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    No fine's for cycling on the pavement:

    Police-won-t-punish-cyclists-riding-pavement


  • #632
    PaulieC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,196 ✭✭✭PaulieC


    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/only-25-of-cyclists-paid-court-imposed-fines-for-traffic-offences-in-2016-1.2946716


  • #633
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,167 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    No fine's for cycling on the pavement:

    Police-won-t-punish-cyclists-riding-pavement
    i'm always amused that the only 'newspaper' website blocked by the proxies in work is the daily mail.


  • #634
    Chuchote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭Chuchote


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    to be fair, i can see his point.

    Yeah… on the other hand a five-foot-wide tarmac trail isn't surely going to have a huge huge environmental impact.


  • #635
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,167 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    PaulieC wrote: »
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/only-25-of-cyclists-paid-court-imposed-fines-for-traffic-offences-in-2016-1.2946716
    makes you wonder is this level of non-compliance/lack of follow up by the gardai prevalent in areas outside the area of road offences?


  • #636
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,161 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Chuchote wrote: »
    Yeah… on the other hand a five-foot-wide tarmac trail isn't surely going to have a huge huge environmental impact.

    Putting one there might though. The path itself probably will have little or no impact on the area. Placing it there might, would like to have a look at the report first though. I say this as someone in favour of it.


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  • #637
    Chuchote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭Chuchote


    CramCycle wrote: »
    Putting one there might though. The path itself probably will have little or no impact on the area. Placing it there might, would like to have a look at the report first though. I say this as someone in favour of it.

    Yyyyeah… maybe. If it were a road, deffo. But a cycleway maybe less so.


  • #638
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,167 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Chuchote wrote: »
    Yeah… on the other hand a five-foot-wide tarmac trail isn't surely going to have a huge huge environmental impact.
    the path itself, maybe not. i suspect it's the construction phase which has the greatest impact.


  • #639
    Chuchote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭Chuchote


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    the path itself, maybe not. i suspect it's the construction phase which has the greatest impact.

    Ahhh, yes. Hadn't thought of that.

    By the way, met a Carlow man in Lidl yesterday and he was telling me there was some beautiful cycling country around Burris (sp?)


  • #640
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,167 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    a nice grassy river path is more scenic than a tarmaced one too.

    sounds like he was talking about borris. which is on the barrow.


  • #641
    Chuchote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭Chuchote


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    a nice grassy river path is more scenic than a tarmaced one too.

    sounds like he was talking about borris. which is on the barrow.

    Yeah, Borris, that's it. He said there's a lovely way between Borris and New Ross, I think.


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  • #642
    snubbleste
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    Not sure where else to put this.
    Coming up on Newstalk with Pat Kenny - Should cyclists & pedestrians have mandatory hi-vis at night?


  • #643
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,167 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    dear god. i won't be tuning in for that.


  • #644
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,167 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i can just picture the scene; mass arrests in temple bar at pub closing time as people exit the pubs wearing nothing safer than their jumpers.
    though that raises the question about how the gardai would be able to see them to arrest them.


  • #645
    snubbleste
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    dear god. i won't be tuning in for that.
    Surely you are not suggesting that Pat Kenny does not conduct a balanced discussion on cyclists?
    Who knows, cars and buses will be mandated to wear hi-vis too :cool:


  • #646
    Chuchote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭Chuchote


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    i can just picture the scene; mass arrests in temple bar at pub closing time as people exit the pubs wearing nothing safer than their jumpers.
    though that raises the question about how the gardai would be able to see them to arrest them.

    And what about the gardaí - will they be the ones in the navy-blue uniforms with no hi-viz?


  • #647
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,803 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    It's a funny world. These morning radio shows alternate, often within the same hour, between promoting healthy lifestyles and denormalising them.

    When Operation Transformation is included, it's both simultaneously.


  • #648
    Chuchote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭Chuchote


    http://www.thejournal.ie/luas-lines-oconnell-street-cyclists-3195969-Jan2017/?utm_source=twitter_self
    'A serious accident waiting to happen' - cyclists not happy with Luas lines on single lane O'Connell Street
    A NUMBER OF cyclists have spoken of their experiences of falling from their bicycles while traversing the Luas Cross City works on O’Connell Street in Dublin city centre.
    At the GPO, the street is currently reduced to one lane, shared by mostly buses and cyclists, with the Luas tracks, not yet in use, running down the centre.
    Cycling alongside in-service Luas tracks can be hazardous as one or both wheels can easily become trapped in the rails’ grooves. That is exactly what has happened to many people in recent weeks.

    The comments!!! #headdesk #deadifnotwearinghelmet


  • #649
    snubbleste
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    snubbleste wrote: »
    Coming up on Newstalk with Pat Kenny - Should cyclists & pedestrians have mandatory hi-vis at night?
    Eamonn Ryan and Pat Kenny :rolleyes:


  • #650
    Moflojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,006 ✭✭✭Moflojo


    According to the Irish Independent there is a "major battle brewing" over Waterways Ireland's plans to turn the Barrow towpath into a blueway (A greenway that runs alongside a body of water).

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/major-battle-brewing-over-controversial-plan-for-115km-cycle-path-on-river-35389268.html

    Here's more info on the Barrow Blueway (which sounds amazing): http://www.waterwaysireland.org/barrow-towpath-development


  • #651
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,167 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    we were discussing that about ten posts back.


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