UFC 231 Holloway vs Ortega

tommyboy26 · 09-12-2018 12:26pm

mailburner wrote: »

Outstanding by Max and that's the division cleaned out.

I would love to see him move to light weight, he'd be a match for any of them
If I had one mma wish it would be Ferguson Holloway...two fighters who would go all out for five.

i believe tony expressed interest in that fight on twitter. it would be an awesome fight

ASOT wrote: »

Missed all of this but got the main spoiled, can't wait to watch it now just caught Danas presser, ****ting on Tyron again he is .

Getting sick of dana ****ting on him but also getting sick of woodley not fighting

ERG89 wrote: »

I'll be honest I thought whatever happened at the weight cut in the summer might have f**ked up Max permanently but I'm glad I was wrong.
In a way I expected Sheva to knock out Jedrzejczyk but not surprised at that result in the slightest. The latter goes back to waiting on the eventual Andrade vs Namajunas fight.

was surprised dana wants joanna to go back to 115 and stay there.

overall it was a cracking card.

santos deserves to be higher in the rankings. 5 fights this year with 4 wins

Wrongway1985 · 09-12-2018 1:55pm

tommyboy26 wrote: »

santos deserves to be higher in the rankings. 5 fights this year with 4 wins

Only 2 fights in the division and fighting a guy with no Wikipedia page 2 fights ago

Brussels Sprout · 09-12-2018 2:29pm

Just watched the main card. 3 incredibly entertaining fights on there and I also got some satisfaction from finally seeing Shevchenko win a belt.
That main event was basically watching someone get CTE. Ortega'd want to take a long break after that one.
Cowboy Oliveira's blood-drenched head getting guillotined is going to be in my nightmares.

dulux99 · 09-12-2018 4:50pm

Gunni is some violent individual.

pastorbarrett · 09-12-2018 5:45pm

Ortega ate some volume. All credit to his durability and heart, here's hoping he takes ample time away and recovers to full health.

Great to see the doc stepping in and being incisive in his decision, also seems his coach had his best interests in mind.

Time for 55 for Max, I wonder who's first up. It'd be nice to see him go against someone like Edson first - a great first test. Of course, that would never make enough $ sense for the UFC when they can throw caution to the wind and make a so-called super fight...

Whelo79 · 09-12-2018 6:03pm

Excellent card overall, really enjoyed it.

Joanna outclassed, hard to see whether she goes from here.

Max looked incredible, who's left at 145 for him? It might be the right time to move up to 155 for him now. Does he get a title shot straight off the bat?

TerrorFirmer · 09-12-2018 6:23pm

Ortega had a few great moments in the third but he completely ran out of steam from the very start of the fourth, that was actually a brutal round and hard to watch, he just ate shots left, right, up, down and centre, I'd say he barely knew where he was by the time he sat on the stool.

Delighted that Gunnar got the win as well, that was a seriously nasty elbow. Great opening scrap on the main card as well, that was never going to go the distance!

Great card overall. I didn't watch the prelims, must catch up with them now.

Gamb!t · 09-12-2018 11:30pm

What a fight from Max.Would love to see a Mcgregor rematch.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo · 10-12-2018 3:05am

tommyboy26 wrote: »

Getting sick of dana ****ting on him but also getting sick of woodley not fighting

I don't think that's really fair on T Wood. He's fought 5 times in the last 2 and a half years, while also undergoing two different surgeries. It's not very frequent but also not too bad.

EagererBeaver · 10-12-2018 7:17am

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

tommyboy26 wrote: »

Getting sick of dana ****ting on him but also getting sick of woodley not fighting

I don't think that's really fair on T Wood. He's fought 5 times in the last 2 and a half years, while also undergoing two different surgeries. It's not very frequent but also not too bad.

He fought in September too like.

MagicIRL · 10-12-2018 10:36am

It was beyond worrying to hear the Referee threaten Gunnar with a "stand up" while he had mount on his opponent. The second most dominant grappling position after back-control and the Referee in charge was clueless as to what was going on.

Mellor · 10-12-2018 1:50pm

Shevchenko had a great start, but faded badly. Still a clear decision, but think the 50-45 scores from the majority of the media were over the top.

Max looked phenomenal.
Also agree that Rener called the doc over to stop the fight. Have to respect him for that imo.

Delighted for Gunni.
I was screaming for him to attack that outside heelhook when he had the saddle lock up.
But the mount was surgical. That elbow was perfect. And he finished with a sub. One of the bloodiest RNCs I've seen.

EagererBeaver · 10-12-2018 8:06pm

MagicIRL wrote: »

It was beyond worrying to hear the Referee threaten Gunnar with a "stand up" while he had mount on his opponent. The second most dominant grappling position after back-control and the Referee in charge was clueless as to what was going on.

He didn't threaten to stand it up. He told Nelson, correctly, that he had to work. Even if you're in mount, you don't just get to sit there. So he was told to work, he worked and ended the fight. Nothing more to it.

Mellor · 10-12-2018 10:21pm

Nelson wasn't just sitting there at that point though. He was working to isolate an arm. I found it odd that the ref didn't recognise/acknowledge that tbh.
It was like when they get boxing refs to ref MMA.

darced · 10-12-2018 11:01pm

Lads I think Rener was actually trying to get the doc to not stop the fight.

Subcomandante Marcos · 10-12-2018 11:30pm

darced wrote: »

Lads I think Rener was actually trying to get the doc to not stop the fight.

If he didn't want it stopped, why was he calling him over?

They'd have kept him as far away as possible.

Fromvert · 10-12-2018 11:34pm

darced wrote: »

Lads I think Rener was actually trying to get the doc to not stop the fight.

Same here, I havn't listened back but at the time I thought he was telling the doctor he was ok. Will have to go back and listen though.

DrumSteve · 11-12-2018 1:41pm

When gunni flipped into the RNC and all the blood fell out of cowboys heads was the only time I've ever felt physically ill watching a fight.

Mean Laqueefa · 11-12-2018 1:51pm

DrumSteve wrote: »

When gunni flipped into the RNC and all the blood fell out of cowboys heads was the only time I've ever felt physically ill watching a fight.

Used to freak me out that some one could squeeze that hard.

Gunni's was savage

Mellor · 11-12-2018 2:26pm

darced wrote: »

Lads I think Rener was actually trying to get the doc to not stop the fight.

https://streamable.com/0zxyg

“Doc. Doc, talk to him. Talk to him. I’m not gonna let you ****in’ die in there.”

Whelo79 · 11-12-2018 4:26pm

26 stitches for Cowboy Oliviera, nasty, nasty wound.

darced · 11-12-2018 6:48pm

Mellor wrote: »

https://streamable.com/0zxyg

You are correct lads. I only remembered him saying, "doc hold on, give him a second, talk to him" seems he does actually say "I'm not going to let you die in there" after the camera cuts, good spot.

Whew! thought we had another "Its only business" battle about to erupt.

11-12-2018 6:54pm

If Gunnar had a weakness in the past its that he seemed to gets stuck in a grappling & submission mindset and didn't really strike enough during the grappling sequences. He'd have mount and would spend ages trying to get the submission via pure grappling rather than create the opening via gnp.

I thought he was falling into the same trap against Cowboy. Then he sliced him up and proved me wrong. But you saw how quickly the submission came once he did the damage, I hope it's a lesson he keeps with him.

tommyboy26 · 11-12-2018 9:33pm

Gamb!t wrote: »

What a fight from Max.Would love to see a Mcgregor rematch.

tbh i wouldnt want to see that fight straight away. i think there are better fights for max like tony, edson, gaethe or a really fun one i would like to see would be nate diaz

darced wrote: »

Lads I think Rener was actually trying to get the doc to not stop the fight.

listening to below the belt podcast today and schaub was saying he asked Rener why didnt he throw in the towel sooner. apparently rener told him that brian has a habit of pulling a submission out of the bag late in fights and they thought he might do it this time and didnt want to pull him out of the biggest fight in his career

Subcomandante Marcos · 11-12-2018 11:13pm

Sounds as usual that Schaub is either talking total crap or misremembering a conversation.

Rener has already confirmed he called the doctor over to end it.

Told Ortega "don't worry we'll be back", then calls the doctor over to talk to Ortega and have a look at him and as the doctor is coming over says to Ortega "I'm not going to let you ****ing die in there".

Nothing but respect for Rener Gracie in this situation. He had his own competition career cut short by a severe back injury when he was 20, so I'd say he's more alert than most when it comes to this stuff.

tommyboy26 · 12-12-2018 12:20am

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Sounds as usual that Schaub is either talking total crap or misremembering a conversation.

Rener has already confirmed he called the doctor over to end it.

Told Ortega "don't worry we'll be back", then calls the doctor over to talk to Ortega and have a look at him and as the doctor is coming over says to Ortega "I'm not going to let you ****ing die in there".

Nothing but respect for Rener Gracie in this situation. He had his own competition career cut short by a severe back injury when he was 20, so I'd say he's more alert than most when it comes to this stuff.

i think schaub was saying more along the lines of why let him go into the 4th round at all

Ultimate Seduction · 12-12-2018 4:11am

Max won't be fighting Conor anytime soon..

Subcomandante Marcos · 12-12-2018 11:12am

tommyboy26 wrote: »

i think schaub was saying more along the lines of why let him go into the 4th round at all

Because he won the third?

Autecher · 12-12-2018 1:33pm

The Fight Motion video, I could watch Valentina's takedown of Joanna all day long.

Gamb!t · 12-12-2018 2:58pm

cliggg wrote: »

The Fight Motion video, I could watch Valentina's takedown of Joanna all day long.

Joanna felt those kicks the next day Id say,perfect execution.

UFC 231 Holloway vs Ortega

Comments