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My spin today...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46 Captingoogle


    Went to the Ballyhouras today first time in a cycling capacity. I used to frequent years ago on motorcycles. Found the downhill sections as much fun if not not more than a motocrosser until probably 2k from the end of the trail I hit a rut and my left hand left the bars and i ended up in a tree🙈

    Great morning other than that 😁


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 686 ✭✭✭steamsey


    That looks sore.

    I was up Ticknock yesterday just before the rain came down. Stuck to official trails as it was so wet on the ground and want to try to leave the natural trails alone when it's that bad. The new bottom loop was a lot wetter than expected - there was a massive puddle at the start of it - thought being so new it would drain better. But the grip on it was great - its bedded in nicely now and the wet seems to have really helped grip. Still prefer the old one but able to enjoy the new one now at least. Absolutely jammed up there again yesterday - great to see but parking is close to becoming an issue.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,701 ✭✭✭bogmanfan


    I was there around the same time yesterday, and was hard to find a parking spot. Absoutely packed with walkers and bikers.

    I actually thought the trails were good considering the rain we got. Also saw the massive puddle at the start of metro, but I was in Ballinastoe on Saturday and that was just a series of lakes. Ticknock fared much better in my opinion.

    steamsey wrote: »
    That looks sore.

    I was up Ticknock yesterday just before the rain came down. Stuck to official trails as it was so wet on the ground and want to try to leave the natural trails alone when it's that bad. The new bottom loop was a lot wetter than expected - there was a massive puddle at the start of it - thought being so new it would drain better. But the grip on it was great - its bedded in nicely now and the wet seems to have really helped grip. Still prefer the old one but able to enjoy the new one now at least. Absolutely jammed up there again yesterday - great to see but parking is close to becoming an issue.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,080 ✭✭✭✭Big Nasty


    There won't be a dry ride in sight until April now! :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 686 ✭✭✭steamsey


    bogmanfan wrote: »
    I was there around the same time yesterday, and was hard to find a parking spot. Absoutely packed with walkers and bikers.

    I actually thought the trails were good considering the rain we got. Also saw the massive puddle at the start of metro, but I was in Ballinastoe on Saturday and that was just a series of lakes. Ticknock fared much better in my opinion.

    I always had in my head that B-Stoe drained pretty well - obviously not anymore. I'd imagine that Djouce was a mud fest.

    I've never seen Ticknock so busy as it has been this year - I wonder how it's gotten so popular so quickly. The amount of mountain bikers was nuts - and a lot of newbies too which is great to see. One lad in cotton tracksuit bottoms - I'd say he'll only make that mistake once. And a fair few kids with dads. I'd say the biking.ie hut is doing well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,080 ✭✭✭✭Big Nasty


    Huge increase in the amount of women biking the last 12 months or so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,625 ✭✭✭prunudo


    I believe Ballinastoe was pretty quiet yesterday, plenty of parking to be had mid morning.
    Might use this change in weather to explore Ticknock, have wanted to go up before but have never been.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,755 ✭✭✭ianobrien


    ianobrien wrote: »
    I'm thinking of that for next weekend I'll report back........

    Reporting back, I chickened out. I went but wasn't feeling great so only did the Green a few times. The logic was that if I I had enough, I wasn't too far from home. It was fair wet and sloppy in places, good fun.

    My right knee is sore though. It didn't like the pounding from the downhill sections.....

    Would the Tech loops be doable on a hardtail? I've a Trek Procaliber (more of a XC bike) or would it be better to hire a FS bike for it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,174 ✭✭✭Top Dog


    ianobrien wrote: »
    Would the Tech loops be doable on a hardtail? I've a Trek Procaliber (more of a XC bike) or would it be better to hire a FS bike for it?
    2 of the lads I ride with swear by their hard-tails in Ballyhoura. I ride one too.


    Tech loops are obviously easier with a FS with the amount of jumps and rock gardens, but if you're not trying to set records then a hardtail is well able for the terrain too.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 569 ✭✭✭Peter T


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    From the famous log at Ballyhoura today. Only did the brown loop to get a feel for the bike but very happy with it. Successful day out, and apologies for the huge poor image. I must figure out how to resize my images :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,080 ✭✭✭✭Big Nasty


    Was up in The GAP today. Had a demo weekend running. Took a Lapierre E-bike for an hour. Savage for the climbs, bit cumbersome on the descents but 2.8 wide wheels made up for a lot.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,373 ✭✭✭iwillhtfu


    Big Nasty wrote: »
    Was up in The GAP today. Had a demo weekend running. Took a Lapierre E-bike for an hour. Savage for the climbs, bit cumbersome on the descents but 2.8 wide wheels made up for a lot.

    I was up there myself today took out several bikes. A cracking day for it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,458 ✭✭✭Gerry


    I was out there also at the demo day. Was well worth it. Cannondale Jekyll was decent, santa Cruz hightower my friend raved about but it was set up too stiff for me. The Santa Cruz Bronson was amazing though, and now I want to buy one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,373 ✭✭✭iwillhtfu


    Had one lad out with us thought the crack n fail was terrible. Mondraker dune r stood out for me alongside the transition patrol which was odd considering they're aluminium in a sea of carbon. The Bronson was sweet although the bars were swept back to far but very nimble and easy to throw around. I'm not sure if they were running the carbon rims or not. The Hightower LT was the nicest 29r I didn't think much of the foxy even though it had fox factory set up front and rear but it's very hard to judge when you only have them for 30-40mins.

    A great day out though and hopefully they run some more it's a good way to see what would make good upgrades and possibly trade up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,080 ✭✭✭✭Big Nasty


    Speaking of The GAP they've started doing night spins on Thursdays.

    Uplift only (No pedal ups) 6pm to 8.30pm - €20


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  • Registered Users Posts: 569 ✭✭✭Peter T


    Went to Ballyhoura again today. Trails were greasy, they have patched up some of the rougher bits of the trails so much more enjoyable. I did the brown again but kept climbing straight up to the mast and cut down onto the last bit of the blue trail. Nice little section so looking forward to when my distances go up and doing the whole blue. All in all a successful day out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,174 ✭✭✭Top Dog


    Went for a spin around Portumna today. Very slippy with loads of leaves. If you didn't have an idea where the trail went you'd be hard pushed to follow it.

    Sadly took a spill on one of the soggy boardwalks which brought a premature end to my day. Bruised hip, knee & elbow - but I'm most annoyed by the scratch I put on my front shock! Shame, as the weather today was perfect.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,213 ✭✭✭xxyyzz


    Top Dog wrote: »
    Went for a spin around Portumna today. Very slippy with loads of leaves. If you didn't have an idea where the trail went you'd be hard pushed to follow it.

    Sadly took a spill on one of the soggy boardwalks which brought a premature end to my day. Bruised hip, knee & elbow - but I'm most annoyed by the scratch I put on my front shock! Shame, as the weather today was perfect.

    Sorry to hear that. The boardwalks there are unridable in the wet. I nearly broke my elbow on one of them. I'd always walk them now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,373 ✭✭✭iwillhtfu


    Top Dog wrote: »
    Went for a spin around Portumna today. Very slippy with loads of leaves. If you didn't have an idea where the trail went you'd be hard pushed to follow it.

    Sadly took a spill on one of the soggy boardwalks which brought a premature end to my day. Bruised hip, knee & elbow - but I'm most annoyed by the scratch I put on my front shock! Shame, as the weather today was perfect.

    Boardwalks are a disaster this time of year, I took a spectacular highside on the ones in Derroura last winter right in front of a bunch of tourists. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,174 ✭✭✭Top Dog


    xxyyzz wrote: »
    Sorry to hear that. The boardwalks there are unridable in the wet. I nearly broke my elbow on one of them. I'd always walk them now.
    Only being new to this, I had no idea until it was too late. Boardwalks in Ballyhoura have more like a sandpaper finish so grip even when wet. Portumna with its bare wood - completely different story. Will see how I am tomorrow - may give it another shot but side-step the boardwalks ;)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,148 ✭✭✭✭Lemming


    Went back to Leeds urban bike park yesterday for round 2 to explore the bits of the park I missed last time. I found the 'jump line' part of the red 'XC' loop. What I thought was the jump line part wasn't - that was just fast single track with rollers, table tops and hip jumps a-plenty - , and what was the actual jump line was a wee bit brown-trail-inducing and - to quote the missus - "had a whole load of 'nope' in it". So many line choices .....

    The three black lines at the back of the park are fun. Two of them are just really steep but otherwise you can just roll them - unless you want to get fancy - with the third being a proper rock drop (about 6ft+) going into a double jump & berm.

    Just to be clear; there is an actual dedicated jump line separate to the above (which is all technically part of the red loop) if one looks at the trails map. When you come into the park you cannot miss it; it's like a smaller version of Crabapple hits at Whistler; just a line of table top jumps.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,701 ✭✭✭bogmanfan


    Was in the GAP yesterday for a few hours. Those trails have held up really well to the rain. Everything was very rideable and in great condition. Fantastic winter option compared to the sloppy trails in Ticknock.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Is Ticknock pretty bad at the moment? Planning a spin before the weekend and was wondering which of the 3 locations are in best shape.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,701 ✭✭✭bogmanfan


    Coillte trails are fine...
    Hurrache wrote: »
    Is Ticknock pretty bad at the moment? Planning a spin before the weekend and was wondering which of the 3 locations are in best shape.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,598 ✭✭✭rizzodun


    Spent the day in Bikepark Ireland yesterday, trails were really grippy but had a thin layer of mud on them, ended up covered! Serious craic though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭cjt156


    Spent Friday afternoon hardtailing in The Gap being outclassed by people 1/4 my age! Mucked up to me eyeballs; great fun.
    Busiest I've seen it all winter. Great resource so close to the city.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,373 ✭✭✭iwillhtfu


    rizzodun wrote: »
    Spent the day in Bikepark Ireland yesterday, trails were really grippy but had a thin layer of mud on them, ended up covered! Serious craic though.

    I saw one of the group out with Emerald MTB had an exeprience with his bars. I didn't hear if it happened because of a crash or was the cause but I assume the former as he walked away unhurt.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/Br_AcOsFiYr/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,598 ✭✭✭rizzodun


    iwillhtfu wrote: »
    I saw one of the group out with Emerald MTB had an exeprience with his bars. I didn't hear if it happened because of a crash or was the cause but I assume the former as he walked away unhurt.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/Br_AcOsFiYr/

    Actually, one of my club mates were chatting to them, as far as I know it happened on a jump and the lad managed to stay upright!! He crashed earlier in the day which probably weakened the bars. Some tekkers though!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,080 ✭✭✭✭Big Nasty


    cjt156 wrote: »
    Spent Friday afternoon hardtailing in The Gap being outclassed by people 1/4 my age! Mucked up to me eyeballs; great fun.
    Busiest I've seen it all winter. Great resource so close to the city.

    The GAP was running great this morning. Plenty of grip seeing as it has been so dry all week. Mild too - there was midges out! :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,458 ✭✭✭Gerry


    Trooperstown and Moneystown today. We hit the best of the trails there - wow.. bone dry and really well thought out, rooty, swoopy, plenty of jumps, some of which I tried and.. overall still buzzing from it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Stuck to Ticknock over the Christmas due to time constraints. First couple of days it was quiet enough but after Christmas day it was really busy, large range of age groups, I was happy to be catching the kids on the climbs. It came crashing down later in the day when a lad powered up beside me on a climb and eased up for a chat. Turns out he was on an electrically assisted MTB, I was envious. It was the first of 2 or 3 I saw that day.

    When the time comes I don't use the climbs as a workout I'd be tempted to go down that road.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,080 ✭✭✭✭Big Nasty


    Tried one out in The GAP the last demo day. A bit more heavy and cumbersome but with 2.8 tyres you could roll over anything. You'ld be inclined to tackle anything and stay out all day I reckon. Love it!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Exactly what the guy said, he stays out for hours, sometimes covering both GAP and Ticknock.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,998 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Exactly what the guy said, he stays out for hours, sometimes covering both GAP and Ticknock.

    I do that also, on a human powered bike :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,148 ✭✭✭✭Lemming


    Big Nasty wrote: »
    Tried one out in The GAP the last demo day. A bit more heavy and cumbersome but with 2.8 tyres you could roll over anything. You'ld be inclined to tackle anything and stay out all day I reckon. Love it!

    I've tried a few over the last two years visiting the UK cycle show. From an MTB perspective (and from memory), I gave some Cube offerings a run on a purpose built indoor MTB track and they are fun to ride. It does have to be said however that after 15 mins of throwing them about on a track packed with features, they're not the lightest and even though I was riding high-end offerings which would have an eye towards being lighter & more responsive rides, you'll find yourself getting sapped of energy faster as a result. Then again, a 15 min manic test track is also not indicative of most trails one might be likely to ride so perhaps the weight comment is a bit heavily skewed. "Your mileage may vary" as the expression goes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,598 ✭✭✭rizzodun


    They really are aimed at the all day cross country sort of rider. Smashing enduro trails on one would get tiresome pretty quickly I'd assume.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,998 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    rizzodun wrote: »
    They really are aimed at the all day cross country sort of rider. Smashing enduro trails on one would get tiresome pretty quickly I'd assume.

    Wot, ebikes are? I'd be too concerned with Range-Anxiety...!

    I'd say the main reason for having one and where the sales will be biggest, would be in the highlands of Europe, where there's no uplifts, and the main segment of rider would be the Enduro rider, who's not interested in pedaling up and just wants to get the most numbers of DH runs in...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,625 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    I do that also, on a human powered bike :pac:

    One of the reasons I enjoy the mountain biking is the mix of exercise on the climbs vs the thrill of the single track section. If I can't get Ticknock and The Gap together then I need to practice more and improve my fitness. Thats my goal.
    I understand using an e bike if you're injured but i don't really see the appeal of using them every weekend if not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,080 ✭✭✭✭Big Nasty


    jvan wrote: »
    One of the reasons I enjoy the mountain biking is the mix of exercise on the climbs vs the thrill of the single track section. If I can't get Ticknock and The Gap together then I need to practice more and improve my fitness. Thats my goal.
    I understand using an e bike if you're injured but i don't really see the appeal of using them every weekend if not.

    I'd like to be still riding well in to my fifties and more.....with the help of an e-bike ;)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,625 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Big Nasty wrote: »
    I'd like to be still riding well in to my fifties and more.....with the help of an e-bike ;)

    The fitness won't bother me in my fifties, it would be my agility and not bouncing so well that I'd be worried about :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,998 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Big Nasty wrote: »
    I'd like to be still riding well in to my fifties and more.....with the help of an e-bike ;)

    One of my regular biking buddies is 63yrs old and is far from needing an ebike...:pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,213 ✭✭✭xxyyzz


    E-bikes are becoming very capable, I shared the same skepticism as many here but the longer travel ones ride like mini-downhill rigs. As for the exercise side of things, we'll it depends - they are pedal assisted so you have to work for the motor to assist you. Someone put it to me, on our trail network you'd ride top top bottom once, maybe twice on a very good day in 2 hours. With an e-bike you'd do it 5 or 6 times in 2 hours putting in the same effort.

    They also make previously impossibly steep climbs achievable which opens up whole new areas of mtb. The embn channel have done some very innovative things on them https://youtu.be/c7a8XjeDRGg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,998 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Sorry Mods, maybe you can separate these posts into a separate eBike thread?

    A lot of the lower end eBikes are just FUgly, and by lower end I mean about €5,000!
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    They are heavy, so if there's terrain you need to lift or push the bike up then you better have your chiropractor on speedial!

    For "our trail network..." Ticknock, GAP, Ballinastoe? In two hours you'd get around easily 3 or 4 times with leg power only... Ireland is a relatively flat country... I don't think i'd want to go down any of these trails 6 times in 2 hours without getting bored..Zzzz...
    On a lot of the more unofficial trails, ebikes are of no benefit, they require Gorilla handling on tight downhill sections due to the weight and weight distribution, not so easy to just flick around that tight corner..

    As for the "impossibly steep climbs".. well Mountain biking isn't supposed to be easy, and even with an eBike you still have to possess a good level of fitness and skill, an inexperienced punter shouldn't head out into open mountain thinking he's a superman on a bike.... Not to mention access issues, walkers and National park rangers will soon take exception to powered cyclists pedalling through the nice open mountain boglands eroding the soft ground with nice big tyre marks and ruts everywhere...

    Having said all that I do know people who aren't really into the hardship side of MTB'ing are getting great mileage out of there eBike, although they would be quite experienced outdoorsmen...

    But for the price of almost €4,000 for a basic spec bike, i'll say no thanks! For now: https://www.chainreactioncycles.com/ie/en/vitus-e-sommet-electric-mtb-deore-1x10-2019/rp-prod170964?mx=a


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,213 ✭✭✭xxyyzz


    Tenzor07 wrote: »

    For "our trail network..." Ticknock, GAP, Ballinastoe?

    As shocking as you may find this, there is life outside the pale ;)


    Anyway, regardless of your opinion on them, they are on the way and will become lighter and better. The hatred of them reminds me of roadies complaining about disc brakes having never used them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,998 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    xxyyzz wrote: »
    As shocking as you may find this, there is life outside the pale ;)


    Anyway, regardless of your opinion on them, they are on the way and will become lighter and better. The hatred of them reminds me of roadies complaining about disc brakes having never used them.

    Most of the country is still fairly flat and rideable without being powered...

    What hatred of them? I don't think they are worth the money, maybe in 10 years time, the motor and battery will be so compact and the frame so light they may have some value..


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,773 ✭✭✭C3PO


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    I do that also, on a human powered bike :pac:

    Go on out of that!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,998 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    C3PO wrote: »
    Go on out of that!!

    Check my Strava! :p ....:pac:....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,899 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Tenzor07 wrote:
    Check my Strava! .... ....


    Stupid strava, many a wrecked trail from it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,998 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    Stupid strava, many a wrecked trail from it

    Between Strava and Motors on bicycles, MTB'ing is fooked! :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,899 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    Between Strava and Motors on bicycles, MTB'ing is fooked! :eek:

    id accept motors over strava, fooking annoying app


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