Final Fantasy VII Remaster/Remake

Mal-Adjusted · 17-06-2015 12:49pm

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

Please, no.

That's the fear though, I can't see them not f*%$ing it up in some way.

Noxin · 17-06-2015 1:14pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I wouldn't touch the graphics, it's not what the original creators intended. I installed the fan translation and the 60 fps battles only myself. It wouldn't be FF7 to me if the game didn't have jarring jumps in model quality :P

Whats the translation one called? It it "Because"?

_Tombstone_ · 17-06-2015 1:18pm

I'm raged I spotted this yesterday, just by chance was scrolling through pages of gizmodo.

My normal browsing wouldn't have shown it.

Now I have years to wait.

Sadface

_Tombstone_ · 17-06-2015 1:19pm

Near 6 million views on YouTube, bout 7777 of them are mine.

bur · 17-06-2015 2:37pm

I just wanted the same game with an updated art style pretty much. Not sure how i feel if it's going to be a big AAA title. Which is kind of the impression I got from that reveal.

Has anything been said in that regard?

Retr0gamer · 17-06-2015 2:41pm

Noxin wrote: »

Whats the translation one called? It it "Because"?

Beacause.

And yes I spelled that correct, it's a reference to the spelling mistake in Jenova's only line of dialogue... off course.

It's an installer with a whole host of mods but really the purist in me only went for the translation and 60 fps battles mod, 60 fps because the original 15 fps is torture.

Captain Chaos · 17-06-2015 2:59pm

Confirmed that they are going to "tweak" the story.

http://www.playstationtrophies.org/news/news-16516-Final-Fantasy-VII-Remake

%EF%BF%BDMore-Work--%EF%BF%BD-to-be-Added-to-Story.html

Noxin · 17-06-2015 3:11pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Beacause.

And yes I spelled that correct, it's a reference to the spelling mistake in Jenova's only line of dialogue... off course.

It's an installer with a whole host of mods but really the purist in me only went for the translation and 60 fps battles mod, 60 fps because the original 15 fps is torture.

Great, cheers. Yea i watched a quick utoob of 15fps vs 60. It made up my mind on that very quick.
I'm not gonna look at character models. tbh, I like the very small tweak they already did with the steam version and it's more than enough for me.

Captain Chaos wrote: »

Confirmed that they are going to "tweak" the story.

http://www.playstationtrophies.org/news/news-16516-Final-Fantasy-VII-Remake
%EF%BF%BDMore-Work--%EF%BF%BD-to-be-Added-to-Story.html

I knew they would do a little with it anyway. I really can't see Cloud getting gang raped going down too well :pac:

K.O.Kiki · 17-06-2015 3:23pm

Noxin wrote: »

Whats the translation one called? It it "Because"?

"Beacause"

Good article here: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-05-29-why-would-someone-spend-five-years-retranslating-all-of-final-fantasy-7

Rgb.ie · 17-06-2015 3:31pm

It's weird ... I played this game when I was 11 / 12 and my memory of the honey bee is that it wasn't really a big deal ( I hadn't a clue what was REALLY going on )

Rgb.ie · 17-06-2015 3:39pm

Also -

"Long ago, we looked upon a foreboding sky. The memory of the star that threatened all, burns eternal in our hearts."

This is a reference to Meteor ( at the end of the original ) in a remake? Why would the narrator mention this ..

MitchKoobski · 17-06-2015 4:22pm

Captain Chaos wrote: »

Confirmed that they are going to "tweak" the story.

http://www.playstationtrophies.org/news/news-16516-Final-Fantasy-VII-Remake
%EF%BF%BDMore-Work--%EF%BF%BD-to-be-Added-to-Story.html

I imagine any and all changes would just have to do with Zack and giving him a bit more depth.

IR1SH RANG3R · 17-06-2015 4:28pm

Rgb.ie wrote: »

Also -

"Long ago, we looked upon a foreboding sky. The memory of the star that threatened all, burns eternal in our hearts."

This is a reference to Meteor ( at the end of the original ) in a remake? Why would the narrator mention this ..

I'd say he's supposed to be talking from a fan's perspective rather than an in game character. That WE as fans looked upon the sky and the memory (of final fantasy VII) is burning in us now

abelard · 17-06-2015 4:40pm

Rgb.ie wrote: »

Also -

"Long ago, we looked upon a foreboding sky. The memory of the star that threatened all, burns eternal in our hearts."

This is a reference to Meteor ( at the end of the original ) in a remake? Why would the narrator mention this ..

I took it to be more of a...."meta-narration". The we is us, as fans. Essentially the gist of the trailer was "we were remembering the original and yearning for a remake, and here it is". Also, I think they were trying to make people think it was a sequel initially before the word "REMAKE" flashed up.

Overall I'm mainly feeling positive about this. As someone above said, the original will still always be there, so even if they tweak things I'll take it for what it is - a remake with, I assume, a lot of hindsight from SquareEnix thrown in. If it's a disaster, the original will always still be there.

Things I would particularly look forward to;
- Graphical update of locations - Midgar slums, Gold Saucer, Wutai, Cosmo Canyon, Nibelheim could all look pretty spectacular.
- Updated soundtrack (all the same music - but with orchestral or piano pieces for location background music would be nice)

Things I would welcome being "tweaked";
- Materia system (they should have learned a lot about various battle and character progression systems in the intervening 20 years so I wouldn't be against some fairly heavy changes to the original materia system)
- Additional side quests would be ok to bring a few surprises to those who've played through countless times (and hey, remember the 1/36 soldier...?)
- The translation, as mentioned above. Though leaving in a few easter eggs ("Beacause"/"This guy are sick") would bring a smile.

Things I wouldn't want to be tweaked;
- Someone above called it "camp" and I would agree that the offbeat nature of many parts of the world and its inhabitants would be a shame to lose, but could be lost in search of more realism and grit. From the squatting/Honey Bee/crossdressing stuff, to the ShinRa execs, to Yuffie's story and the weirdness of countless minor characters, it all added a charm (and dare I say a unique Japanese-ness) to the setting. I would worry it will try cater too much to broad tastes and lose some of the weirdness.

Sephiroth_dude · 17-06-2015 4:45pm

I hope they dont change the music too much , Its my favourite music from any of the FF Games.

Evade · 17-06-2015 4:47pm

abelard wrote: »

Things I would welcome being "tweaked";
- Materia system (they should have learned a lot about various battle and character progression systems in the intervening 20 years so I wouldn't be against some fairly heavy changes to the original materia system)
- Additional side quests would be ok to bring a few surprises to those who've played through countless times (and hey, remember the 1/36 soldier...?)

If they were smart they'd keep the original system, glitches and all, and have an updated system as an option.

abelard wrote: »

Things I wouldn't want to be tweaked;
- Someone above called it "camp" and I would agree that the offbeat nature of many parts of the world and its inhabitants would be a shame to lose, but could be lost in search of more realism and grit. From the squatting/Honey Bee/crossdressing stuff, to the ShinRa execs, to Yuffie's story and the weirdness of countless minor characters, it all added a charm (and dare I say a unique Japanese-ness) to the setting. I would worry it will try cater too much to broad tastes and lose some of the weirdness.

It wouldn't be the same game without the weirdness.

abelard · 17-06-2015 4:48pm

Sephiroth_dude wrote: »

I hope they dont change the music too much , Its my favourite music from any of the FF Games.

Yeah I wouldn't actually change the score at all - just update or remaster

Ken Shamrock · 17-06-2015 4:55pm

I'm sad...FFVII is the greatest game I've ever played, I don't think anyone should be allowed touch It.

Retr0gamer · 17-06-2015 4:56pm

I hated what they did with the score in the FFX remaster. It wasn't terrible but just thought the instrument arrangements were so much better in the original.

In the case of FFVII the score desperately needs an update. While it's not the best FF soundtrack the compositions are still amazing. However the sound engineers really let Uematsu down. The instruments used sound absolutely dreadful. Despite the snes using samples that have been compressed to being nearly unrecognisable the instruments used in the SNES FF games sound so much better and then in FF8 they are all really high quality.

So don't touch the compositions, just use the same midi arrangements and give them the instruments they deserve and less farty trumpets.

17-06-2015 4:59pm

Sephiroth_dude wrote: »

I hope they dont change the music too much , Its my favourite music from any of the FF Games.

I hope they used the updated versions to be honest. There was a music mod for the PC version that was a magnitude better.

Maximus Alexander · 17-06-2015 5:01pm

Bob.Carcass wrote: »

I'm sad...FFVII is the greatest game I've ever played, I don't think anyone should be allowed touch It.

They won't touch it, you'll be allowed to keep the version(s) you have now.

Ken Shamrock · 17-06-2015 5:03pm

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

They won't touch it, you'll be allowed to keep the version(s) you have now.

I understand that of course. But obviously I will have to buy and play this, and listen to the world go on about It. I don't know It just seems wrong. Like Hulk Hogan wrestling in the 00's maybe I'm just being melodramatic.

17-06-2015 5:06pm

Bob.Carcass wrote: »

I understand that of course. But obviously I will have to buy and play this, and listen to the world go on about It. I don't know It just seems wrong. Like Hulk Hogan wrestling in the 00's maybe I'm just being melodramatic.

I completely agree. Hulk Hogan was nothing short of fantastic in the 00's :pac:

I can't wait for this remaster

Mr.Nice Guy · 17-06-2015 5:06pm

If they touch Cid or Red XIII's theme I won't be a happy camper.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to seeing what they come up with. As others have said, the original will still be there.

The updated Knights of the Round summon will be pretty spectacular, I should think.

Sephiroth_dude · 17-06-2015 5:07pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I hope they used the updated versions to be honest. There was a music mod for the PC version that was a magnitude better.

Did it just sound better or did they do something else too it?

abelard · 17-06-2015 5:10pm

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

If they touch Cid or Red XIII's theme I won't be a happy camper.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to seeing what they come up with. As others have said, the original will still be there.

The updated Knights of the Round summon will be pretty spectacular, I should think.

Oh god, there's a change I'd welcome. Button to skip summon sequences. Great the first few times, eventually torture.

Maximus Alexander · 17-06-2015 5:12pm

Bob.Carcass wrote: »

I understand that of course. But obviously I will have to buy and play this, and listen to the world go on about It. I don't know It just seems wrong. Like Hulk Hogan wrestling in the 00's maybe I'm just being melodramatic.

I do get what you mean, it will be a crying shame if they balls it up because it could be something wonderful. But on the other hand they can never take away the old one, so I say go for it - let's see what they can do.

I'm going to try and treat it like a new game and enjoy it as such. I mean they will change things, there's 20 years in the interim, they'll probably try to please old fans and draw in a new generation and... well that rarely works. So I'm going to try to look at it with fresh eyes.

If I don't likes what I sees, I'm going to go back to the old one. :pac:

On the score, I don't think they should change a thing. Bar throwing away the MIDI and getting a proper orchestra to do it.

17-06-2015 5:16pm

Sephiroth_dude wrote: »

Did it just sound better or did they do something else too it?

I recall it was more orchestral and less midi sounding

Sephiroth_dude · 17-06-2015 5:19pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I recall it was more orchestral and less midi sounding

Well I'd be happy with that

Hercule · 17-06-2015 5:29pm

Played through an upscaled Tifa's bootleg version of the original game on PC just before Christmas last year. I can safely say it is not a case of rose-tinted goggles. (Albeit with a significant graphical + sound upgrade) the game has great game-feel and charm which stands the test of time.

I can almost narrate entire scenes from the game (having it played it to death when I was in my teens) and despite that, it's still enjoyable.

I am cautiously optimistic about the remake - Ultimately Square aren't immune to ****ups (see FFX14release 1) and they can get the remake very wrong, but this is their prized possession - It's unlikely they will allow it to be butchered or sullied.

Xenji · 17-06-2015 5:30pm

They should get The Black Mages to redo the whole score and offer it as a bonus option

Varik · 17-06-2015 5:30pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I hated what they did with the score in the FFX remaster. It wasn't terrible but just thought the instrument arrangements were so much better in the original.

In the case of FFVII the score desperately needs an update. While it's not the best FF soundtrack the compositions are still amazing. However the sound engineers really let Uematsu down. The instruments used sound absolutely dreadful. Despite the snes using samples that have been compressed to being nearly unrecognisable the instruments used in the SNES FF games sound so much better and then in FF8 they are all really high quality.

So don't touch the compositions, just use the same midi arrangements and give them the instruments they deserve and less farty trumpets.

Not sure now but didn't the recent version of x sort that, could have sworn i read it had both in it.

Sephiroth_dude · 17-06-2015 5:45pm

Xenji wrote: »

They should get The Black Mages to redo the whole score and offer it as a bonus option

They should use the black mages version of one winged angel but leave the rest alone

:pac:

K.O.Kiki · 17-06-2015 6:35pm

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

If they touch Cid or Red XIII's theme I won't be a happy camper.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to seeing what they come up with. As others have said, the original will still be there.

The updated Knights of the Round summon will be pretty spectacular, I should think.

Hopefully you can skip/shorten the attack sequences! :eek:

BeerWolf · 17-06-2015 6:42pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I wouldn't touch the graphics, it's not what the original creators intended. I installed the fan translation and the 60 fps battles only myself. It wouldn't be FF7 to me if the game didn't have jarring jumps in model quality :P

IIRC, Square Enix decided to use two separate models... one of exploring, other for battles, to appease both crowds of those familiar of previous FF games and to those wanting the usage of the new 3D capabilities of the PS1. Past FF8 onwards they've been using the same models in both.

I imagine at this point they'd still be doing that trend since FF8, and won't be resorting back to polygonal looks.

Adamantium · 17-06-2015 6:57pm

I'm still in awe of this since yesterday morning.

This developed on a floor that doesn't exist and is inaccessible by elevator on Tokyo HQ.

I strongly believe this remake has been in development for at least 3 years
There are swathes of highly talented people in Square that were apparently working on nothing and rumours of a secret project which many thought was XVI or a new IP, but it never showed until now.

Square has stated time and again in the past that they would only remake VII if they managed to make a game that was FINALLY equal to or superior to VII in their eyes, they must believe that XV is that game.

But seriously this will be the most MONUMENTAL task this company ever undertakes, how they are going to recreate a game with all it s bizaree and delicate intricasies that by their own words they said would take 40 years to remake, people are going to experience a Phantom Menace disappointment level event but this time for the gaming industry

This was was my most wished for piece of never happening stick your hopes media ever and I can't believe that is happening

Basically the Holy Grail.

johnny_ultimate · 17-06-2015 7:00pm

The Simpsons creators have said they will stop making the show when it grows stale or tired.

Just sayin'.

Lahinchians · 17-06-2015 7:05pm

Rgb.ie wrote: »

Also -

"Long ago, we looked upon a foreboding sky. The memory of the star that threatened all, burns eternal in our hearts."

This is a reference to Meteor ( at the end of the original ) in a remake? Why would the narrator mention this ..

I figured that he was talking to the player, ie. we know ye've been waiting so long for the remake and now it's here

Retr0gamer · 17-06-2015 7:07pm

Well looks like Nomura says he'll be changing the storyline. I can see this being a total disaster although there's some sickos out there that do like Advent Children.

BeerWolf wrote: »

IIRC, Square Enix decided to use two separate models... one of exploring, other for battles, to appease both crowds of those familiar of previous FF games and to those wanting the usage of the new 3D capabilities of the PS1. Past FF8 onwards they've been using the same models in both.

I imagine at this point they'd still be doing that trend since FF8, and won't be resorting back to polygonal looks.

Square Enix can say all they like but the real reason is that they used lower poly characters on the field and battles to save processor cycles. The Battle Engine being turn based could run a lot slower so they used that to bump up polygon counts over the field. That's all there is too it. Pretty sure FF8 does the same thing it's just that in FF8 the character models are similarly proportioned inlike the 'popeye' armed models in FF7.

Also the way the character model keeps changing in cutscenes is to do with the long development time of FF7. Early renders were done 3 years before the last FMV renders and in that time there was a big jump in quality. Early renders had the popeye armed models while the FMV's with the high quality characters in them were the first work by the Hawaiian team that would make Spirits Within.

Xenji · 17-06-2015 7:08pm

Nomura hinting at FF V&VI remakes.

“Considering that we have remakes of Final Fantasy up to IV and then we have VII — I’ve been working with Mr. [Yoshinori] Kitase since Final Fantasy V, and we’ve noticed that V and VI are missing. That bothers me,” Nomura said. “How come we skipped over those two?”

Adamantium · 17-06-2015 7:09pm

This was the video that I watched for the last few years that really captured the spirit of what the remake should be about. He has stitched all FMV, cutscenes and related FFVII material and colour corrected for an opening credits. I'd hope for a tone and adventure similar and not an overly grungy style:

This is how I remember the original FFVII or at least in my memories:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeFXbKahOc0

Retr0gamer · 17-06-2015 7:10pm

Adamantium wrote: »

I strongly believe this remake has been in development for at least 3 years
There are swathes of highly talented people in Square that were apparently working on nothing and rumours of a secret project which many thought was XVI or a new IP, but it never showed until now.

We're getting into the land of fantasy here. It's been in production for about a year at most and by production they probably mean drafting design docs and throwing around ideas. If there was any significant code they would have shown some in game footage. If it was in development for 3 years they'd want to be showing gameplay of a finished or near finished title!

Retr0gamer · 17-06-2015 7:12pm

Xenji wrote: »

Nomura hinting at FF V&VI remakes.

Give it to Matrix software please, they did a great job of FF4!

tok9 · 17-06-2015 7:14pm

I reckon saying it's been in development for a year is stretching it really.

More than likely themselves and Sony realised announcing that port wasn't a great idea as it even seemed like they were trolling fans.

I'd say it's closer to half a year of development. They'd really want to be getting FFXV out next year and then possibly getting the remake out the following year.

Xenji · 17-06-2015 7:18pm

tok9 wrote: »

I reckon saying it's being in development for a year is stretching it really.

More than likely themselves and Sony released announcing that port wasn't a great idea as it even seemed like them trolling.

I'd say it's closer to half a year of development. They'd really want to be getting FFXV out next year and then possibly getting the remake out the following year.

Nomura has stated that it had been in development before the port was announced.

"When we announced the HD port, the PC port on the PS4, we weren't sure when we wanted to announce the remake," Nomura said elsewhere in the interview. "The production was underway then, so there's no real connection between the timing of the two FF7s coming to PS4. We've announced several different titles coming to the PlayStation 4 like World of Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts 3."

Retr0gamer · 17-06-2015 7:23pm

I'd say the vast majority of that was planning. Nomura needed a new project after getting the boot from FF versus 13. If it was in full development for a year you'd expect more than a teaser trailer.

Xenji · 17-06-2015 7:27pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I'd say the vast majority of that was planning. Nomura needed a new project after getting the boot from FF versus 13. If it was in full development for a year you'd expect more than a teaser trailer.

It still surprises me he is only 44, he seems to have been around forever, would have prepared him to be put to task on doing a sequel to The World Ends With You.

Adamantium · 17-06-2015 7:49pm

Where is the guy who directed Final Fantasy IX Hiroyuki Ito, he would have been a great talent to direct this and he hasn't been seen in years on anything major, because I have to say I'm not overly charmed with having a belt and buckles animu Nomura directing this, you just know they're going to fill with Advent Children and compliation material.

Sonics2k · 17-06-2015 7:52pm

Wasn't it Yoshinori Kitase who said earlier this year that he'd only sign off or allow a FF7 remake if he felt Square was capable of making it and doing it justice?

Pretty sure I read a few months back he has the controlling vote on it.

Retr0gamer · 17-06-2015 8:08pm

Xenji wrote: »

It still surprises me he is only 44, he seems to have been around forever, would have prepared him to be put to task on doing a sequel to The World Ends With You.

Nomura wasn't in charge of The World Ends with You. Square kind of painted it that way but outside of character design he had no real creative input. If you need evidence the fact that TWEWY is unlike any other Nomura project since it;s a great game

I'm pretty sure his first gig was on FF6 designing Shadow put it could have been his first FF gig. He got picked as the character designer for FF7 because the crappy angular polygons on the playstation suited his art style, it was a good choice in fairness and it was before the zipper fetish!

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