Elite XC "Heat" Discussion thread Will Contain Spoilers

Nothingcompares · 06-10-2008 11:18am

What did people think of the refereeing of the Kimbo fight? It looked like the ref stepping in to stop Seth and put his palm on him but let him hit a good few more times before he actually stopped it.

I think Arloski offers an intersting match up for Fedor due to his size and speed and general athleticsm. He might be able to keep out of harms way longers than some of Fedor's previous opponents.

06-10-2008 1:12pm

DefenseSoapEire wrote: »

I still think EXC will continue to make a lot of money from Kimbo despite the loss . . . am I the only one who thought Shamrock would beat him anyway?

Cant get Kens fight with Buzz Berry out of my head. he was just so appallingly bad in that fight that I don't think he can beat anyone anymore.

Frank would have torn Kimbo apart if they'd let him fight.

calex71 · 06-10-2008 1:30pm

Nothingcompares wrote: »

He might be able to keep out of harms way longers than some of Fedor's previous opponents.

Id also love to see Fedor truly tested but at his weight class and level i doubt ill see anything that goes a real distance.

frank v ken why not Fedor v Aleksander

06-10-2008 1:39pm

i think some people are under rating Arlovskis stand up. If Fedor chose to stand with him then there's a very realistic chance AA could KO him. AA's chin would suggest that fedor can also KO Andrei but don't count out Andrei on landing that punch. It's on the ground where AA hasn't a prayer. That said...sambo vs sambo...nice!

Dragan · 06-10-2008 1:53pm

DefenseSoapEire wrote: »

I still think EXC will continue to make a lot of money from Kimbo despite the loss . . . am I the only one who thought Shamrock would beat him anyway?

EXC haven't even started making money yet. They are seriously financially ****ed at the moment.

DefenseSoapEire · 06-10-2008 2:06pm

should have made my point clearer

i still think they will use kimbo as one of their main draws

06-10-2008 2:09pm

I can see them running Shamrock v shamrock very soon to try to make as much money as hey can.

rovert · 06-10-2008 2:22pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I can see them running Shamrock v shamrock very soon to try to make as much money as hey can.

That has always been the plan

06-10-2008 2:44pm

Yea but I meant sooner than planned.

Dragan · 06-10-2008 3:29pm

It's yet to be seen how much Kimbo's loss will actually affect his mystique.

I think he will still be a draw for EliteXC. I actually think the CBS deal is actually going to kill them and am starting to understand why Dana has been slow to put pen to paper for a TV deal.

Vince135792003 · 06-10-2008 7:18pm

Dragan wrote: »

I think he will still be a draw for EliteXC.

Elite XC better hope he still is or sign a Tito.

It's hard to say really. In some cases, people who draw, still draw well past their peak. In other cases, people who get pushed heavily and are shown up the way he is, never recover.

Apparently, the show is getting heavily criticised in the press over there.

Fozzy · 06-10-2008 10:48pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Yea but I meant sooner than planned.

Frank was saying on Saturday that that fight is still planned for April. He seemed to suggest that that would be his first fight back. He also threw in names like Ortiz, Cung Le, possibly Lawler, to fight after Ken. He mentioned getting into boxing too, though I'd say he was joking there

06-10-2008 10:55pm

Fozzy wrote: »

He mentioned getting into boxing too, though I'd say he was joking there

I wouldnt be suprised if he believed himself that he could beat Mayweather in a boxing match. He's peculiar like that....which probably is his best attribute.

SuperWoody101 · 07-10-2008 12:00am

The salaries of the fighters have been announced, and I think its a crock and no wonder that EliteXC are likely going to be bankrupt by the end of 2008

Seth Petruzelli - $50,000 ($15,000 win bonus)
def.
Kimbo Slice - $500,000

Andrei Arlovski - $500,000
def.
Roy Nelson - $80,000

Jake Shields - $50,000 ($10,000 win bonus)
def.
Paul Daley - $12,000

Gina Carano - $25,000 ($10,000 win bonus)
def.
Kelly Kobold - $6,000

Benji Radach - $30,000 ($15,000 win bonus)
def.
Murilo "Ninja" Rua - $35,000

Cristiane "Cyborg" Santos - $8,000 ($4,000 win bonus)
def.
Yoko Takahashi - $2,000

Conor Heun - $5,000 ($2,500 win bonus)
def.
James Edson Berto - $6,000

Mikey Gomez - $4,000 ($2,000 win bonus)
def.
Lorenzo Borgomeo - $1,500

Bryan Hamade - $1,000 ($500 win bonus)
def.
David Gomez - $1,000

Nicolae Cury - $1,500 ($750 win bonus)
def.
Jorge Boechat - $1,000

Fozzy · 07-10-2008 12:13am

SuperWoody101 wrote: »

The salaries of the fighters have been announced, and I think its a crock and no wonder that EliteXC are likely going to be bankrupt by the end of 2008

Keep in mind that they didn't pay Arlovski or Nelson's salaries. I'm surprised that Arlovski only got half a million. I think that there's more to it than that

Petruzelli also got paid more for taking the fight with Kimbo. If Shamrock had been fighting he'd have got a six-figure sum, so they did save some money there

Vince135792003 · 07-10-2008 7:36am

Fozzy wrote: »

Petruzelli also got paid more for taking the fight with Kimbo. If Shamrock had been fighting he'd have got a six-figure sum, so they did save some money there

Kimbo was apparently given more for taking the fight at the last minute. So it's hard to know how much they saved.

dunkamania · 07-10-2008 8:12am

No way Gina got paid only 25k.

Also, Seth made the following ccomment

Seth Petruzelli: My original plan was to throw a lot of push kicks, they’re called teeps…have him think that I’m going to throw ‘em to try to rush in more, and then shoot in on him, obviously…I knew I would do alright standing up with him. The promoters kinda hinted to me, and they gave me the money to stand and trade with him. They didn’t want me to take him down. Let’s just put it that way. It was worth my while to try and stand up and punch with him.

Upon being contacted by FiveOuncesOfPain.com for a followup, Petruzelli indicated that he felt his words during the 104.1 FM interview are being twisted and he categorically denied accusations that EliteXC somehow tried to influence his strategy through financial considerations.

“What was meant to be said was that I wanted to keep the fight standing for myself because I knew that was what the crowd, the promoters, and everyone wanted to see because that’s more exciting than just taking someone to the ground,” Petruzelli said. “That was my thing only. I wanted to keep it exciting so I decided to keep it standing. It had nothing to do with anybody else. That was all me.”

Upon being asked directly whether EliteXC officials had even hinted that he could receive a bonus by keeping the fight standing, Petruzelli clarified that no such act had taken place.

“No,” he responded. “Look, even the UFC gives knockout bonuses. Everyone gives knockout bonuses. There’s knockout bonuses, submission bonuses, all sorts of bonuses. I just wanted to keep it standing because I felt I could beat (Kimbo) at his own game.”

Dragan · 07-10-2008 10:05am

Fozzy wrote: »

Petruzelli also got paid more for taking the fight with Kimbo. If Shamrock had been fighting he'd have got a six-figure sum, so they did save some money there

Or maybe not, a lot of fighters get paid even if they get injured before the fight. Depends on what they get in their contract and Shamrock is in the game long enough for that to be standard for him.

All this show did was cost ProElite more money.

dunkamania · 07-10-2008 1:03pm

I think Jared Shaw said Ken got nothing, but its hard to believe anything he says.

07-10-2008 1:09pm

Jared Shaws reaction was almost as funny as Seth derailing the Kimbo train!

dunkamania · 07-10-2008 3:11pm

Yeah, you can can make out the words back of the head.

http://mma-core.com/gifs/GifDetails.aspx?gid=10000461&tid=105

He apoligised subsequently.

Dragan · 07-10-2008 4:00pm

dunkamania wrote: »

He apoligised subsequently.

Good.

His actions were a joke. You cannot show that much investment in one fighter when you are the head of the company. It's basically stupid and shows publically that your ****ed now that your marquee fighter has been dropped on his ass.

I really don't think EliteXC has too much left in them, ProElite are 60million down right now. I find it hard to believe they will be able to fund that many more shows, or that anyone else will step in until ProElite folds.

You might have someone pick up the brand and refinance after that.

Maybe.

But they will also most likely fire Shaw.

dunkamania · 07-10-2008 4:55pm

Dragan wrote: »

You might have someone pick up the brand and refinance after that.

Maybe.

But they will also most likely fire Shaw.

The company is being very badly run, but still could pull through, although I wouldnt bet on it. Re-financing in the current climate is not an option

Dragan · 07-10-2008 4:59pm

dunkamania wrote: »

The company is being very badly run, but still could pull through, although I wouldnt bet on it. Re-financing in the current climate is not an option

If ProElite do finally fold and the EliteXC brand ends up for sale, along with the video libraries and transferable fighter contracts i could almost see Affliction picking it up.

G-izzles · 08-10-2008 1:09pm

rovert wrote: »

Fixed Martial Arts.

Nice

08-10-2008 1:50pm

G-izzles wrote: »

Nice

You should know better!

rovert · 08-10-2008 8:08pm

Just read the demographic breakdowns for the show and two things stand out. My god is Gina ever under paid and how different the audience this show drew is very different from UFCs.

dunkamania · 09-10-2008 8:58am

rovert wrote: »

how different the audience this show drew is very different from UFCs.

can you clarify?

rovert · 09-10-2008 1:36pm

dunkamania wrote: »

can you clarify?

Older and more southern (insert stereotypes here :pac:)

dunkamania · 09-10-2008 4:04pm

Official reply from Elitexc

STATEMENT FROM JEREMY LAPPEN,
HEAD OF FIGHT OPERATIONS, ELITEXC

"Press reports that EliteXC suggested or paid money to heavyweight fighter Seth Petruzelli to keep his fight against Kimbo Slice off the ground are false. Let me be perfectly clear with no ambiguity
-- that did not happen.

"Seth Petruzelli was offered a fee to fight Kimbo Slice, plus a knockout bonus, a common practice throughout the industry. EliteXC organizes and promotes fights. We have not...do not...and will not suggest or dictate fighters’ strategies or tactics. How the fighters perform in the cage is at the sole discretion of the athletes involved.

"The circumstances leading up to the Petruzelli/Slice fight were unusual. Ken Shamrock was declared medically ineligible less than three hours before the fight. As an organization, we made a decision to serve the paying audience in the arena and the prime time audience at home by delivering on a Kimbo Slice fight, which we had promised. This was done simply and solely with a standard fee and bonus offer to Petruzelli and by increasing the purse to Slice. Elite XC is grateful to both Seth and Kimbo for taking this fight against an opponent they didn’t train for and on such short notice.

"In addition, reports that Frank Shamrock volunteered that evening to fight Kimbo Slice are true. Frank is a competitive fighter and he was willing to step up for his organization and the MMA fans. His offer was very greatly appreciated, but everyone in the room knew when he made the offer that it wasn’t a realistic possibility on such short notice.

"Despite all the craziness leading up to and in the aftermath of the event, the evening was a resounding success. The fights were diverse, impressive and entertaining, and I think the Seth/Kimbo fight speaks to the excitement and unpredictability of the sport. Great potential match-ups lie ahead for all the fighters involved that evening.

"And, the television ratings exceeded everyone’s expectations. In fact, the broadcast on CBS was the #1 entertainment and sports program of the night among the adults 18-34 and male 18-34 demographics, topping competing MLB Baseball Divisional games on TBS and college football games on both broadcast and cable. These ratings, and the intense discussion that has followed, speak volumes to the interest and future of this growing sport.''

ryoishin · 10-10-2008 2:51pm

http://mmarated.com/videos/v/20081005/frank_shamrock_post_fight_interview-6100.html

Frank shamrocks post fight view and him and ken fighting in April.

Dragan · 10-10-2008 3:55pm

They can talk all they want about the numbers that tuned in that night. They are not making enough money to stay afloat right now. Nor would they be able to do decent numbers on a PPV in my opinion.

10-10-2008 4:08pm

Dragan wrote: »

They can talk all they want about the numbers that tuned in that night. They are not making enough money to stay afloat right now. Nor would they be able to do decent numbers on a PPV in my opinion.

IMO the ONLY fight they have that would sell a PPV is "Shamrock vs Shamrock". And even that fight will need a HUGE investment for promotion...and I personally would only be interested in the nostalgia seeing as Frank would whoop him.

ryoishin · 10-10-2008 6:57pm

Ha Frank steped up to fight kimbo when Ken pulled out.

Vince135792003 · 10-10-2008 8:03pm

It hasn't been Jared Shaws best week:

http://www.mmaconvert.com/

Kim Couture Says Shaw Is A Pervert And Gina Carano Is Underpaid
October 10th, 2008
Posted by: Steve Barry

Steve Cofield of Yahoo! Sports and ESPN Radio 1100 interviews Kim Couture who was in attendance at the EliteXC “Heat” event in Gina Carano’s corner. She claims that Jared Shaw is a pervert and tried to sneak a peak during Carano’s embarrassing naked weigh-in. Big surprise, professionalism always seems to elude Shaw. She also says the reason why Gina only made $25,000 while Kimbo is making a half a mil is because she’s still on a very long contract. Hopefully, she can renegotiate because $25,000 is ridiculous for one of their top drawing stars.

11-10-2008 2:05am

ryoishin wrote: »

Ha Frank steped up to fight kimbo when Ken pulled out.

I think frank even untrained and comin off an injury would have mauled kimbo.

Link

After a tidal wave of criticism from MMA fans and media, the Florida State Boxing Commission has opened a preliminary investigation into Seth Petruzelli’s comments about his fight at EliteXC’s "Heat" last Saturday.

“We did decide that that was the best course of action in this case, although we still don’t have any reason to believe that there was any wrongdoing that occurred,” said Alexis Antonacci, press secretary for the Department of Business and Professional Regulation. “But given the interest in the matter, we thought it would be best to just go ahead and open up an investigation and we’ll probably follow that up with a review.”

Antonacci sketched a basic plan of the investigation proceedings, which would take place in the next few weeks. The Department of Business and Professional Regulation will oversee the inquiry.

“It will just look at the facts of the fight, how it happened,” she continued. “They’ll do interviews. Just a basic investigation, really. Gathering of fact, finding of fact. Interviewing all those involved.”

Antonacci did not detail the exact scope of the investigation, nor give a timetable for its findings.

ryoishin · 11-10-2008 3:00pm

Yeah hes such a character though always contraversial (sp?)

Fozzy · 11-10-2008 3:16pm

CBS didn't think that it was a good idea to have an announcer suddenly step in to fight and they were immediately against it

Vince135792003 · 11-10-2008 10:46pm

Vince135792003 wrote: »

I can't wait to hear what Dana White says about this show.

I got my wish:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkYC8TBzmmQ

chopperbyrne · 11-10-2008 10:58pm

"Boxing scumbags!"

One thing you can say about Dana, he has no problems speaking his mind.

Fozzy · 12-10-2008 4:47am

I saw Gary Shaw tonight at the Tarver vs Dawson fight, I don't like that guy at all. I know Dana is especially clued in on fixing fights, because if the UFC ever did it then the Fertitta brothers would lose their gaming licence and they'd be out of the casino business

Petruzelli was a bit stupid to speak so openly

12-10-2008 1:21pm

tbh I agree with Dana 100%. Promoters should never be allowed to even suggest the gameplan that a fighter will go out with.

there has been pressure on guys in the UFC before to make their fights more exciting but I don't think that falls into the same bracket as they're not telling guys exactly what to do.

Fozzy · 12-10-2008 1:23pm

f4wonline.com said that if they offered Seth a KO bonus but no submission bonus, that's fine. But if they offered a bonus not to go to the ground, that would be illegal

12-10-2008 1:31pm

Fozzy wrote: »

f4wonline.com said that if they offered Seth a KO bonus but no submission bonus, that's fine. But if they offered a bonus not to go to the ground, that would be illegal

They basically threaded the line very closely there...... i don't think they'll get punished for it but it seriously damages their reputation.

Kent Brockman · 13-10-2008 8:42pm

"She claims that Jared Shaw is a pervert and tried to sneak a peak during Carano’s embarrassing naked weigh-in."

Er..... exactly how does that make him a pervert ? ? ? ? The whole world tried to sneak a peak (vids / photos etc) and I'd be happy to be sitting front row centre if it happens again:D

ryoishin · 18-10-2008 4:55pm

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=6myewj-Bkik

bas speaks about kimbo.

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