The Stand With Eamon Dunphy

TRANQUILLO · 08-09-2020 2:15pm

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Finally deciding to present an alternative viewpoint to Tomas Ryan, Eamo gets on...Gerry Killeen.

Its very disappointing. When he started the pod i felt we would get hard questions, vincent brown-esque holding of people to account and balanced coverage.

We got that with clifford on the mccabe affair, and with tallant on MTK (who had been given via our boxers an easy enough ride in the press at that time)

What we have now is weekly bed wetting which is not reflective of the covid data at all.

Deeper Blue · 08-09-2020 5:31pm

I'm actually done with this podcast now, it's been like an echo chamber for months and bringing on Gerry Killeen is the straw that broke the camel's back for me.

generalgerry · 08-09-2020 8:01pm

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Finally deciding to present an alternative viewpoint to Tomas Ryan, Eamo gets on...Gerry Killeen.

Yeah it's been very disappointing that Eamon, who used to be the contrarian voice in the Irish media, is now just a vehicle for the same voices and opinions as the national broadcaster. Echo chamber is the most appropriate description.

I can't imagine the Eamo of the 1990s would have been calling to keep the pubs closed that is for sure. A bit of COVID wouldn't have been enough to keep him off the Charlie.

John Hutton · 08-09-2020 8:48pm

Folks, if he roasts people on his Podcasts people won't go on it.

VinB was mentioned, if he had a podcast no one would agree to go on it!

Dunphy has basically tried to do a radio current affairs drivetime type show via podcast, and this is a difficult task. Large media empires like RTE, Newstalk etc cannot be ignored, politicians etc cannot refuse to go on it. Podcasts can be ignored. No one would be criticised for saying no to going on a podcast. I suspect this is why he has basically no politicians on it.

Most CA podcasts are the hosts giving their opinion and analysis of things, with an occasional guest. (Such as David McWilliam's podcast) Dunphy doesn't really do this at all. The quality of his shows is dependent on his guests, and he does well to get the guests he does and he has added a few new ones, such as the Europe correspondent lady who is very good.

Dunphy's approach is basically to be very nice to his guests, let them get their opinion across, ask a few questions about that opinion, get them to explain things a bit simpler, keep a solid narrative going throughout the podcast tying it into the news and avoiding wandering too far into the weeds. He sprinkles in the odd "controversial" statement/joke and gets his guests take on it.

What Dunphy does is actually quite skilful, he is very very good at timing, he rarely goes over 30 to 40 mins and the conversations never feel rushed or abruptly ended. This is really really hard to do. It is easy, inoffensive listening where it can bring you up to speed on things. Its not really for media junkies but a more general audience.

When I heard Dunphy was going to have a podcast I expected it to be a "normal" podcast for a personality like Dunphy - a self indulgent soap box for his own opinion, rants galore. Basically an audio version of his opinion pieces of old in the Sindo. To be fair to Dunphy he has not done this at all - the podcast isn't really about him.

This must have been very tempting - because Dunphy is legitimately a decent journalist/opinion piece writer, very capable of sharp cutting comment and provocative insight. Contrast Dunphy on his podcast with when he is being interviewed, worlds apart.

In fact, I wouldn't mind an odd episode with just Dunphy, or with someone else where Dunphy discusses his own opinion on things. Or where he goes over some of the big stories of his past.

Overall, I like the podcast. I dont listen to every podcast he puts out, I'd say 60%. Don't think of this like a normal podcast, rather think of it as current affairs radio.

TRANQUILLO · 08-09-2020 9:08pm

John Hutton wrote: »

Folks, if he roasts people on his Podcasts people won't go on it.

VinB was mentioned, if he had a podcast no one would agree to go on it!

Dunphy has basically tried to do a radio current affairs drivetime type show via podcast, and this is a difficult task. Large media empires like RTE, Newstalk etc cannot be ignored, politicians etc cannot refuse to go on it. Podcasts can be ignored. No one would be criticised for saying no to going on a podcast. I suspect this is why he has basically no politicians on it.

Most CA podcasts are the hosts giving their opinion and analysis of things, with an occasional guest. (Such as David McWilliam's podcast) Dunphy doesn't really do this at all. The quality of his shows is dependent on his guests, and he does well to get the guests he does and he has added a few new ones, such as the Europe correspondent lady who is very good.

Dunphy's approach is basically to be very nice to his guests, let them get their opinion across, ask a few questions about that opinion, get them to explain things a bit simpler, keep a solid narrative going throughout the podcast tying it into the news and avoiding wandering too far into the weeds. He sprinkles in the odd "controversial" statement/joke and gets his guests take on it.

What Dunphy does is actually quite skilful, he is very very good at timing, he rarely goes over 30 to 40 mins and the conversations never feel rushed or abruptly ended. This is really really hard to do. It is easy, inoffensive listening where it can bring you up to speed on things. Its not really for media junkies but a more general audience.

When I heard Dunphy was going to have a podcast I expected it to be a "normal" podcast for a personality like Dunphy - a self indulgent soap box for his own opinion, rants galore. Basically an audio version of his opinion pieces of old in the Sindo. To be fair to Dunphy he has not done this at all - the podcast isn't really about him.

This must have been very tempting - because Dunphy is legitimately a decent journalist/opinion piece writer, very capable of sharp cutting comment and provocative insight. Contrast Dunphy on his podcast with when he is being interviewed, worlds apart.

In fact, I wouldn't mind an odd episode with just Dunphy, or with someone else where Dunphy discusses his own opinion on things. Or where he goes over some of the big stories of his past.

Overall, I like the podcast. I dont listen to every podcast he puts out, I'd say 60%. Don't think of this like a normal podcast, rather think of it as current affairs radio.

He doesn't have to lash them out of it. Maybe he should have another voice on the next day who maybe has a more relaxed or alternative view of the restrictions and the pandemic. The only sliver we get of that is by vicariously living through the Swedes via the reportage of Philip(eat himself if he was chocolate) O'Connor

generalgerry · 08-09-2020 9:32pm

TRANQUILLO wrote: »

The only sliver we get of that is by vicariously living through the Swedes via the reportage of Philip(eat himself if he was chocolate) O'Connor

Well I don't think Eamon's introductions do anything for Philip O'Connor's humility.

Still Ill · 08-09-2020 10:03pm

generalgerry wrote: »

Well I don't think Eamon's introductions do anything for Philip O'Connor's humility.

Actually haven't listened to any of those podcasts. Does he describe him as the Leo Messi of journalism or something? :pac:

TRANQUILLO · 08-09-2020 10:26pm

Still Ill wrote: »

Actually haven't listened to any of those podcasts. Does he describe him as the Leo Messi of journalism or something? :pac:

o connor barely takes a breath to let Eamon talk. He's relentless

Robert McGrath · 08-09-2020 10:41pm

John Hutton wrote: »

Folks, if he roasts people on his Podcasts people won't go on it.

VinB was mentioned, if he had a podcast no one would agree to go on it!

Dunphy has basically tried to do a radio current affairs drivetime type show via podcast, and this is a difficult task. Large media empires like RTE, Newstalk etc cannot be ignored, politicians etc cannot refuse to go on it. Podcasts can be ignored. No one would be criticised for saying no to going on a podcast. I suspect this is why he has basically no politicians on it.

Most CA podcasts are the hosts giving their opinion and analysis of things, with an occasional guest. (Such as David McWilliam's podcast) Dunphy doesn't really do this at all. The quality of his shows is dependent on his guests, and he does well to get the guests he does and he has added a few new ones, such as the Europe correspondent lady who is very good.

Dunphy's approach is basically to be very nice to his guests, let them get their opinion across, ask a few questions about that opinion, get them to explain things a bit simpler, keep a solid narrative going throughout the podcast tying it into the news and avoiding wandering too far into the weeds. He sprinkles in the odd "controversial" statement/joke and gets his guests take on it.

What Dunphy does is actually quite skilful, he is very very good at timing, he rarely goes over 30 to 40 mins and the conversations never feel rushed or abruptly ended. This is really really hard to do. It is easy, inoffensive listening where it can bring you up to speed on things. Its not really for media junkies but a more general audience.

When I heard Dunphy was going to have a podcast I expected it to be a "normal" podcast for a personality like Dunphy - a self indulgent soap box for his own opinion, rants galore. Basically an audio version of his opinion pieces of old in the Sindo. To be fair to Dunphy he has not done this at all - the podcast isn't really about him.

This must have been very tempting - because Dunphy is legitimately a decent journalist/opinion piece writer, very capable of sharp cutting comment and provocative insight. Contrast Dunphy on his podcast with when he is being interviewed, worlds apart.

In fact, I wouldn't mind an odd episode with just Dunphy, or with someone else where Dunphy discusses his own opinion on things. Or where he goes over some of the big stories of his past.

Overall, I like the podcast. I dont listen to every podcast he puts out, I'd say 60%. Don't think of this like a normal podcast, rather think of it as current affairs radio.

This is a very fair take, I think

08-09-2020 11:23pm

generalgerry wrote: »

Yeah it's been very disappointing that Eamon, who used to be the contrarian voice in the Irish media, is now just a vehicle for the same voices and opinions as the national broadcaster. Echo chamber is the most appropriate description.

I can't imagine the Eamo of the 1990s would have been calling to keep the pubs closed that is for sure. A bit of COVID wouldn't have been enough to keep him off the Charlie.

with over 300 new confirmed cases today (multiple of that in terms of actual cases) there is probably less support for the "wet" pubs re-opening amongst the population in general.

JoeA3 · 09-09-2020 9:38am

TRANQUILLO wrote: »

He doesn't have to lash them out of it. Maybe he should have another voice on the next day who maybe has a more relaxed or alternative view of the restrictions and the pandemic. The only sliver we get of that is by vicariously living through the Swedes via the reportage of Philip(eat himself if he was chocolate) O'Connor

He does have the economist Dan O'Brien on now and again and he'd fit this criteria, he obviously views things from the economic consequences slant and I find his commentary interesting.

I also thought the recent Fionnan Sheahan ones were quite good, particularly his commentary on the Golf debacle a few weeks ago.

Skipped/ignored the Gerry Killeen one. You know what you're going to get with him. His appearances on TV during the height of the lockdown were infuriating.

I do like the soccer ones for the most part but I wish he'd have Didi on more often or even Liam Brady, or dare I say a fresher voice altogether. As much as I am fond of John Giles, he does get a bit repetitive.

Dillonb3 · 11-09-2020 5:24pm

Just listened to his most recent podcast with Niall Stanage and he mentioned he's been getting some hate mail about his commentary on Trump.

applehunter · 11-09-2020 5:39pm

He recently compared him to Adolf Hitler & Ian Paisley.

He talks endlessly about restoring decency to the White House whatever that is.

Tell me how · 11-09-2020 5:57pm

applehunter wrote: »

He recently compared him to Adolf Hitler & Ian Paisley.

He talks endlessly about restoring decency to the White House whatever that is.

I'd say a President who doesn't call people who died fighting in his countries army losers would be more decent than one who does. Wouldn't you?

Mantis Toboggan · 11-09-2020 6:34pm

Would love to see the head on Stanage if Trump wins again.

humberklog · 11-09-2020 6:47pm

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Would love to see the head on Stanage if Trump wins again.

I think he'd be happy enough, paper never denying ink and all that. Also Niall has never come across as being personally outraged or offended by Trump. He just gives the read on what's occurring in an level headed manner. To my ear at least.

Tork · 11-09-2020 6:59pm

He has made more of an effort to be fair than most commentators I've heard. It's hard to defend the indefensible.

Arghus · 11-09-2020 9:05pm

Stanage is unusually fair on Trump.

Trump's behaviour is a disgrace, it's as simple as that I'm afraid.

Ball boy · 11-09-2020 9:15pm

Liam Brady hasn't been on the podcast for a while, he's a big loss on the football front.

JoeA3 · 11-09-2020 9:52pm

Ball boy wrote: »

Liam Brady hasn't been on the podcast for a while, he's a big loss on the football front.

Yeah it’s been a while. And Didi Hamann too. Maybe they’ll reappear as the new season starts.

John Giles on again today with yet another look back at the good old days at Leeds. I feel we’ve heard those stories a few too many times already.

generalgerry · 12-09-2020 11:49am

I never thought I would be at this stage, but I'm pretty much at the point of just removing the podcast altogether at this stage. He is putting out the podcasts in incredible numbers for one man, but the podcasts are pretty much the same people saying the same things every week. And tbh, there's a lot of competition out there that I would rather listen to.

12-09-2020 11:53am

I found I was never downloading it lately because every episode was either we’re doomed because of covid or we’re doomed because of brexit. Ended up removing it as he’s going to get plenty more mileage out of both.

OneHedge1 · 13-09-2020 1:07am

TRANQUILLO wrote: »

The title of Eamon Dunphys podcast episode released today:

"Covid 19-Ireland and Europe trending towards trouble"

I like Dunphy but the media have completely failed the public on matters Covid. Not just in Ireland to be fair. Its shameful.

I'm saddened as I admire Dunphy but he has certainly earnt the right to be indulging his personal views now.

This week from UK we've heard about "don't kill your granny" and a proposed £100 Billion testing scheme for 2021 - which is a tax on our grandchildren. (I'll bet all the coke in Eamo's kitchen and more, that no one here is part the mega-businesses that will rake in that 100Bn.)

This is more than a little scary. If you were trying to anchor a rational covid-19 sceptical opinion to a credible Irish media commentator, who would that be? Where is the new Dunphy, upstart dissenting voice in Irish life?

dulpit · 13-09-2020 9:08am

OneHedge1 wrote: »

If you were trying to anchor a rational covid-19 sceptical opinion to a credible Irish media commentator, who would that be?

Oxymoron, no?

Deeper Blue · 15-09-2020 10:43pm

JoeA3 wrote: »

John Giles on again today with yet another look back at the good old days at Leeds. I feel we’ve heard those stories a few too many times already.

Agreed, I was hoping we'd hear his thoughts on Bielsa's Leeds team or a prediction for Saturday's game, yet the only reference to anything in 2020 was Dunphy asking whether Giles' Leeds could beat the current Liverpool team

Mervyn Skidmore · 17-09-2020 11:34am

Thought the "interview" of Billy Hutchinson was awful. It was basically a political party broadcast for the PUP. He wasn't challenged once.

BPKS · 17-09-2020 2:42pm

John Giles and Eamon discussing Jose Mourinho a few days ago saying his style of management doesn't work. Cos he is argumentative, combative, calling his players out in public, treating them badly.

Then they moved on to discussing the good old days and described how the Wolves manager of the 50s/60s was a right pr1ck and that's what made him so good!

JDigweed · 17-09-2020 3:56pm

Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »

Thought the "interview" of Billy Hutchinson was awful. It was basically a political party broadcast for the PUP. He wasn't challenged once.

Agreed, Billy Hutchinson spouting nonsense like a United Ireland will mean persecution of protestants.....and Dunphy letting it slide. Is it any wonder they burn tricolors on bonfires when they are fed that sh1te by so called leading politicians

humberklog · 17-09-2020 10:29pm

Chris Johns on again today. And Bertie during the week. To talk all things Brexity- deals and wheels.

Chris Jonhs reminds me of Whispering Bob Harris hosting the Old Grey Whistle test cica '78. Still banging on about "real" music by "real" musicians. Artists of quality, of integrity, playing music he understood- true musicians like Tony Blair, Peter Gabriel, Bertie, Lynyrd Skynyrd, John Major, John Martyn, Alistair Campbell, Fleetwood bloody Mac.
All the while outside the studio, on the streets and climbing up the the charts- number one with a gun- it's Punk and New Wave, a ciggy in your fried egg, two fingers to eggheaded craftsmen and the Queen can go fcuk herself while she's at it too.
The young Turks like Rees-Mogg, Ian Curtis, Gove, Vicious, Cummings, Rotten, Trump, New York Dolls, Boris, Strummer have kicked the door in and are twiddling the knobs and taking a slash on the rubber plant in the corner.

Johns knows his onions when its comes to finances but his (and Bertie's) views on politics are already nostalgic. That's how nostalgia works- Bob Harris sitting on the pier licking his '99 reminiscing about seeing The Boss in Slane in 1985 while wife is behind the wheelie bins, sniffing poppers and having anal sex Brendan O' Neill.

Sugarlumps · 18-09-2020 10:39am

Him and Giles are dinosaurs. They've the league sussed after one game.

Utopia Parkway · 18-09-2020 12:45pm

Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »

Thought the "interview" of Billy Hutchinson was awful. It was basically a political party broadcast for the PUP. He wasn't challenged once.

Eamo's "style" of interviewing is basically to allow his guests to ramble on unchallenged while he kisses their arse. It works for some interviews but sometimes you would be screaming at the radio for him to pull them up on certain things they might have said.

VeVeX · 18-09-2020 1:01pm

Sugarlumps wrote: »

Him and Giles are dinosaurs. They've the league sussed after one game.

So John what did you think of Liverpool on Sunday? Well Eamon, didn't they play well? I remember when I was at Leeds and we won 2-1 away from home at Arsenal, it was a Saturday in November 1965. Didn't you score that day John? I did Eamon yeah.

Yawn.

generalgerry · 19-09-2020 11:56am

This week:

Trump Himself The Issue, Biden Exceeds Low Expectations
The Slow And Painful Exposure Of Boris
Two Northern Communities - Further Apart Than Ever
Boris's Brexit - Bad For Britain, Bad For Ireland, Bad For Europe
Jose Mourinho - Yesterday's Man.

Negative, negative, same old groundhog day programs. You have one more week Eamon, then you're gone unfortunately!

Tork · 19-09-2020 12:38pm

Current affairs at the moment is pretty grim though.

generalgerry · 19-09-2020 8:46pm

Tork wrote: »

Current affairs at the moment is pretty grim though.

Yeah that is a fair point, but I think he certainly does seem to enjoy all the negativity. In the same way that I enjoy disaster movies.

ClashCityRocker · 20-09-2020 5:50pm

generalgerry wrote: »

This week:

Trump Himself The Issue, Biden Exceeds Low Expectations
The Slow And Painful Exposure Of Boris
Two Northern Communities - Further Apart Than Ever
Boris's Brexit - Bad For Britain, Bad For Ireland, Bad For Europe
Jose Mourinho - Yesterday's Man.

Negative, negative, same old groundhog day programs. You have one more week Eamon, then you're gone unfortunately!

Given Spurs result today and their new signings, be interesting to see if they are more optimistic about them/Jose if they cover football tomorrow. No doubt they'll just focus on criticising MUFC/Kepa instead....

Deeper Blue · 20-09-2020 5:57pm

Pretty much 90% of every soccer podcast is made up of the following topics:

- Mourinho is finished
- Pep doesn't focus enough on defence
- Pogba isn't a great midfielder, how did he cost 90 million, etc
- Barcelona are in decline
- Spanish teams can't compete with the premier league teams
- Italian football is in decline
- "When I played for Leeds...."

Rinse and repeat

Klonker · 21-09-2020 9:41am

I'm a little behind on The Stand and I skip half the Trump, Brexit and soccer episodes so that doesn't leave a lot so I mainly just listen to the Covid episodes I guess :pac:

I didn't see anyone mention the Jim O'Callaghan episode and I just wanted to say I thought he came across well. I found myself agreeing with everything he said and I sya this as a non FF voter. He said the easy thing for government to do is just follow NPHET advice so they don't have to take any of the responsibility and blame for the decisions they make. He said governments biggest failure has been the nursing homes, not many TDs in government have admitted to this and he mentioned that its understandable that a lot of people under 30 find it hard to follow guidelines, instead of just wagging a finger at them. He didn't exactly come out and say it but it sounds if up to him he wouldn't be closing restaurants in Dublin af the moment. I just found his outlook on things as sensible and not the careful careful approach of most in government, I guess that's easier as a backbencher but I was impressed all the same.

Blanco100 · 21-09-2020 10:59am

Klonker wrote: »

I'm a little behind on The Stand and I skip half the Trump, Brexit and soccer episodes so that doesn't leave a lot so I mainly just listen to the Covid episodes I guess :pac:

I didn't see anyone mention the Jim O'Callaghan episode and I just wanted to say I thought he came across well. I found myself agreeing with everything he said and I sya this as a non FF voter. He said the easy thing for government to do is just follow NPHET advice so they don't have to take any of the responsibility and blame for the decisions they make. He said governments biggest failure has been the nursing homes, not many TDs in government have admitted to this and he mentioned that its understandable that a lot of people under 30 find it hard to follow guidelines, instead of just wagging a finger at them. He didn't exactly come out and say it but it sounds if up to him he wouldn't be closing restaurants in Dublin af the moment. I just found his outlook on things as sensible and not the careful careful approach of most in government, I guess that's easier as a backbencher but I was impressed all the same.

Think O'Callaghan would happily follow NPGET advice to the letter aswell had he been chosen to board the ministerial gravy train.

He would happily lose any independent thought once on the inside looking out, rather than on the outside looking in, which is his main gripe more than anything else.

robwen · 21-09-2020 11:11am

Blanco100 wrote: »

Think O'Callaghan would happily follow NPGET advice to the letter aswell had he been chosen to board the ministerial gravy train.

He would happily lose any independent thought once on the inside looking out, rather than on the outside looking in, which is his main gripe more than anything else.

Was he not chosen but refused a Minister's position

Blanco100 · 21-09-2020 11:46am

robwen wrote: »

Was he not chosen but refused a Minister's position

Turned down one of the junior ministries.

Didn't fancy operating below the level of Helen McEntee no doubt.

robwen · 21-09-2020 12:03pm

Blanco100 wrote: »

Turned down one of the junior ministries.

Didn't fancy operating below the level of Helen McEntee no doubt.

Sounds fair enough

21-09-2020 2:31pm

not sure why the government would admit to any direct culpability re the nursing homes when there are likely to significant legal proceedings down the line in relation to that.

until there is an investigation it's very much a he said / she said sort of situation between the nursing home operators and the HSE

of course O'Callaghan would be towing the line as a minister.

He has very much set out his agenda as replacing Mi Hole as FF leader and is not worried about the current government make-up. This is further evidenced by (after the fact) backing Barry "Biffo-lite" Cowen saying that he shouldn't have been sacked.

TRANQUILLO · 29-09-2020 5:03pm

Ep 882: Covid-19 - Unless We Abandon Our Defeatist Strategy We're Looking at 35,000 Deaths. Prof. Gerry Killeen
@killeen_gerry
talks to Eamon #Covid-19 #Coronavirus

Thats a disgrace of an episode title and premise. This podcast has completely shat the bed.

Im ostensibly a fan of dunphy and i have loved his arse hattery over the years.

But this standard of reportage is a disservice to us all.

dulpit · 29-09-2020 6:23pm

I skip the football, skip the covid, skip Chris John's, skip Brendan o Neill. I enjoy Nicola Tallant, Niall Stanage, Naomi O'Reilly and yes started having Donie O'Sullivan on too, he's good.

kowloonkev · 30-09-2020 11:57am

The most recent football one was really shocking. Factual errors, lack of knowledge and very little insight.

bocaman · 30-09-2020 12:04pm

Football is a bit predictable. When John Giles played for Leeds, we've heard it all before.

Brendan O'Neill is nothing but a moaner.

Otherwise the show is actually very good.

Obrieski · 30-09-2020 12:24pm

Football ones are instant delete.

Same narrative each week, I could write the script at this stage

dulpit · 30-09-2020 2:59pm

bocaman wrote: »

Football is a bit predictable. When John Giles played for Leeds, we've heard it all before.

Did John Giles play for Leeds? Back in the 60s maybe? It's so rarely brought up.

Agree though - apart from the annoying episodes the other ones are both entertaining and informative.

humberklog · 30-09-2020 3:58pm

A few weeks ago they had a bit of a special on Leeds as they're returning to the Premiership. Who better than Giles then to give a run through. Unfortunately he turned out to be the worst choice. He only concentrated on his years with Revie
The Leeds story is far more interesting than just that time. After Revie came Clough and the decline and then Wilkinson (last team to win the old Div. 1) then collapse, then the dodgy Graham, then the weird O'Leary years and then the woeful Venables years..then oblivion until recent years under a really colourful manager. Throw in a pinch of Ridsdale, Bates and gambling your loans away for bit of seasoning and a Leeds United special episode would make one hell of an episilode.

But no, Giles banging on about the Revie years and that moment alone. In a Leeds special.

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