Deathloop

Double A game at best 🧐

The lore explanation for the bad AI is quite clearly a band aid for poor design. It's kind of an insult that arkane expect us to be dumb dumbs and accept it. Saying that, red dead 2 is still highly regarded by some 🤪

I never said she did in the video. But as I said it's obvious Arkane are using it as an excuse for their bad AI coding. Arkane aren't going to come out and say I'm right but 'the AI isn't bad it's actually because of story' is lame whatever way you look at it.

Well I don't. There's ways of making AI dumb but also fun and engaging without being annoying or noticably lacking. The Thief games on PC prove that and Arkane know this considering the amount of Thief and Looking Glass alumni working with the company. No excuses.

Wow, that's some unwarranted saltiness!

1. So? I played a little, seen a good bit of it and the AI was poor enough that it stood out like a sore thumb. I doubt the AI is going to get better if I played more of it.
2. Fair enough. Can't find anything when I look but there's a lot of articles I read that have said this. Maybe it's from Arkane, maybe they've come up with it themselves. It still doesn't excuse the fact that the AI is just noticeably bad. Thought it would be more interesting if they did try to explain it with lore.

1. Again so what? The AI is still bad from what I've seen and it's the common consensus. That hasn't changed. I haven't read a review that hasn't mentioned it let alone praised it.
2. I already said I can't find anything directly from Arkane but Arkane are hardly going to say that. Anyway Eurogamer seem to come to the same conclusion with the AI's voiced lines and behaviour when not in an agressive state perhaps giving justification so I guess I'm not the only one. https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2021-09-12-deathloop-review

Anyway, just thought it would make for interesting discussing but you are just getting way too defensive about the game.

I played about 2 hours of it. And in those 2 hours and what I'd seen from it, it was quite obvious the AI was a bit lackluster. So what's the issue here? Am I right about that or am I wrong like every publication that I read that came to the same consensus.

As for the second point I said I couldn't find anything from Arkane when I went back to look. I guess I took it was something a bit more concrete since a lot of the reviews and people on twitter I follow had similar opinions and I could see it myself when I played it from the enemy dialogue. Maybe my opinion was coloured from reading those reviews. Maybe instead of saying obviously I should say it's very likely in my opinion.

Anyway thinking about it there's no way that Arkane will say anything along those lines considering they are deep in a PR cycle. Perhaps in a few years time more will come out about it.

Who knows, maybe I'm wrong. I did recently stick up for Resi 4 and Metroid Prime that the stiffness of their controls is by design. Maybe the simple AI is lackluster. Could be by design, development pressures or hardware limitations. But I also wouldn't take Alanah as gospel either. I think there is evidence of both, and there's a lot of dumb stuff the enemies say in their flavour text that can't be ignored and there are a lot of creative devs that worked on Thief at Arkane that used the same tricks on Thief guards.

Honestly don't know where I was in the story and didn't care. I was just messing around getting a feel for it. My friend wasn't all that far in it either. Never said anything about the adaptive difficulty. Only really had the chaining ability which was fun.

I liked what I played. The ai stood out as being a bit basic but I was enjoying it all the same and it's something I will play eventually.

Honestly I think Alanah is going on just as much assumptions as I made. I mean there's no concrete statements from Arkane to back up what she is saying either and she is just going on her intuition from how she knows game design goes. I'm going on the same thing. I'm not going to go looking for her direct quotes and references as she is doing exactly the same thing I'm doing. I feel both view points are interesting and worthy of discussion until they can be refuted.

Also you've yet to show where exactly I said arkane lied or anything like that. You are taking my quotes out of context. Read them again please without your confirmation bias because I said no such thing. I'm making assumptions based on the evidence I've seen and never said anything but.

I really don't think you need more than 2 hours to come to the conclusion the AI is lacklustre. It's really obvious. My friend had only gotten the game the day before so hadn't that much time to play it. I was just messing about in a snowy area and a kind of a city bit. I just wanted a feel for the game so wasn't paying attention.

As for Alanah, I dont want to belittle the point she is making making because it's equally valid but I'd you want to bring up credentials Alanah isn't a dev. She is a writer for Santa Monica. Ive finished a game design course and had a project published and I was brought on to that project because nobody on the team knew how to do the AI for it. Wasn't exactly fps AI code but I did a state machine got character pathfinding.

As for arkane 'forgetting' to code AI, it would be stupid to claim otherwise. Most balance and issues that crop up in games aren't because the devs are incompetent but usually due to publisher and release pressure. No game is sent out complete. If anything it's more than likely they ran out of time and balancing the enemy AI took a hit.

Also just last night Jim Sterling came out with a review and said that the AI was explained by lore.

Whoever said this game couldnt be Speedrun, there's a Speedrun of this already down to less than 20 minutes.