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Red Cow "riot"

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  • Registered Users Posts: 343 ✭✭TwoMonthsOff


    everlast75 wrote: »
    From my social media, where else?

    On twitter this morning there was footage of a fight outside a club on Harcourt Street.

    I come on to boards and here is another.

    I am telling you that is what is in my feed.

    Are you disputing the rest of what I said?

    So no real evidence then. Ok.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,417 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    everlast75 wrote: »
    From my social media, where else?

    On twitter this morning there was footage of a fight outside a club on Harcourt Street.

    I come on to boards and here is another.

    I am telling you that is what is in my feed.

    Are you disputing the rest of what I said?

    There's probably loads more videos of travellers fighting than black kids outside night clubs tbf.

    Glazers Out!



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭CrankyHaus


    everlast75 wrote: »
    From my social media, where else?

    On twitter this morning there was footage of a fight outside a club on Harcourt Street.

    I come on to boards and here is another.

    I am telling you that is what is in my feed.

    Are you disputing the rest of what I said?


    Well unless you know of affrays of a similar scale at the same time involving white participants how do you know there is any bias?
    Whatever people try to claim violent incidents requiring the Garda helicopter and double digit squadcars are not normal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Perhaps.

    That does not mean we, as a society, should shrug our shoulders and say "they happen to be of African extraction, so what?".

    This does not bode well for integration and what you are seeing in Ireland is the embryonic beginning of the trouble in other western European countries some of which have been dealing with for decades involving social disorder and rioting in minority communities.

    That is something we need to be concerned about and burying our heads in the sand is not the answer.

    I don't like seeing this like most.

    Most troubling from my perspective is whether the gardai and the justice system are properly equipped to deal with it. I'm sure i'm not the only one with concerns in that regard.

    If anything they are integrating right in with the native population and doing as they do.

    You're seeing the ones that are integrating with the knacker element.

    You're hardly going to see videos of the ones integrating with study groups in school


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,116 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    nullzero wrote: »
    There sadly seems to be an issue with large groups of certain people gathering either for the expressed purpose of fighting or watching a fight.

    If you attach the labels "black" or "travellers" to this you will be describing what's happening but you will also be discriminating against them for saying so.

    So what happens? Nothing.
    Nothing is done to stop these problems because nobody wants to be seen to be a bigot.

    Not true.

    They are humans fighting. That's it.

    You'd swear the indigenous warfare was not raging in this country for years.

    If you attach labels then you are inviting those with an axe to grind to use it as a proverbial stick. It is easier to point to "the other" as someone to fear.

    The problem here is anti-social behaviour and criminality in general.

    The solution is lack of policing and community interaction, proper sentencing and proper prisons.

    It is that simple.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,116 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    CrankyHaus wrote: »
    Well unless you know of affrays of a similar scale at the same time involving white participants how do you know there is any bias?
    Whatever people try to claim violent incidents requiring the Garda helicopter and double digit squadcars are not normal.

    Have you been to Swords lately, for example? And it is ALL irish.

    A lad was shot dead on my dad's road in Dublin 15 before Christmas. An irish lad, shot by another irish lad.

    Stop the nonsense, please.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    20 garda cars and the helicopter for a simple pub fight.. you can show some video evidence of something of a similar magnitude?

    Theres maybe 20 gardai there. I'm not seeing 20 garda cars.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,620 ✭✭✭Treppen


    Bobblehats wrote: »
    I’d be less nervous for her in a mosh pit. I don’t mind her wearing black; but not that sort..

    Wearing black? Are you serious? Your like a racist character out of Shakespeare's Othello... That was a few hundred years ago btw.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,672 ✭✭✭seannash


    everlast75 wrote: »
    From my social media, where else?

    On twitter this morning there was footage of a fight outside a club on Harcourt Street.

    I come on to boards and here is another.

    I am telling you that is what is in my feed.

    Are you disputing the rest of what I said?

    Your feed is somewhat your own making though. If your following people who are posting up fights only involving a certain demographic then stop following them.
    Its a well known fact now that social media shows you content that envokes a reaction.
    So you should probably change your feed


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,116 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    So no real evidence then. Ok.

    You asked where i saw what I saw.

    I told you.

    Your snippy reply doesn't acknowledge that.

    Are you saying I didn't see them?

    I also asked you if you had an issue with the rest of what I said.

    So I'll ask you a second time. Do you have an issue with the rest of what I said?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,538 ✭✭✭RocketRaccoon


    Travellers fight so therefore its OK for these constant videos of black groups fighting.

    Woke Irish logic in 2020.

    These people are vermin and will only get worse in this country. Please note, I said THESE people. As in, THE people involved in all these videos being uploaded, not all black people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,116 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    seannash wrote: »
    Your feed is somewhat your own making though. If your following people who are posting up fights only involving a certain demographic then stop following them.
    Its a well known fact now that social media shows you content that envokes a reaction.
    So you should probably change your feed

    I cannot control if someone I follow retweets content.

    I cannot control what someone posts in Boards.

    However, as a general point, I agree.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,560 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Theres maybe 20 gardai there. I'm not seeing 20 garda cars.

    About 20 hardy young members of AGS trained and equipped plus a few older seasoned crowd experts in command would make a difference.

    Any group that decides to cause a ruck in a nightclub or on the street might think twice if they knew this type of response was available.

    It is how they do it in other countries.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,417 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    everlast75 wrote: »
    Not true.

    They are humans fighting. That's it.

    You'd swear the indigenous warfare was not raging in this country for years.

    If you attach labels then you are inviting those with an axe to grind to use it as a proverbial stick. It is easier to point to "the other" as someone to fear.

    The problem here is anti-social behaviour and criminality in general.

    The solution is lack of policing and community interaction, proper sentencing and proper prisons.

    It is that simple.

    I see where you are coming from and I understand why you're saying what you're saying.

    Sadly there are large groups of kids from African backgrounds who come together in huge groups for these purposes. I'm not even talking about groups like we're seeing in these videos today but I personally witnessed groups of several hundred of these kids outside a shopping centre in West Dublin a few years ago to watch a fight between to young lads, they were at one stage move like a shoal of fish (I saw this from a vantage point above).

    I've seen plenty of anti social behaviour from Irish people as well, usually worse, this just seems to be an issue that is part of the youth culture of black kids in Dublin at the moment.

    If we're being really honest the real issue here if most likely cocaine, most morons fighting in the streets at night these days are after snorting a few lines of Bolivian marching powder.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users Posts: 343 ✭✭TwoMonthsOff


    everlast75 wrote: »
    You asked where i saw what I saw.

    I told you.

    Your snippy reply doesn't acknowledge that.

    Are you saying I didn't see them?

    I also asked you if you had an issue with the rest of what I said.

    So I'll ask you a second time. Do you have an issue with the rest of what I said?

    So because YOU see more blacks fighting on YOUR social media feed, means that more attention is being paid to blacks fighting... that's what you are saying yes?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Travellers fight so therefore its OK for these constant videos of black groups fighting.

    Woke Irish logic in 2020.

    These people are vermin and will only get worse in this country. Please note, I said THESE people. As in, THE people involved in all these videos being uploaded, not all black people.

    Constant videos? What constitutes constant?

    I see the two talked about here. I vaguely remember one from the beach somewhere in north county Dublin I think a while back.


  • Registered Users Posts: 343 ✭✭TwoMonthsOff


    Constant videos? What constitutes constant?

    I see the two talked about here. I vaguely remember one from the beach somewhere in north county Dublin I think a while back.

    Ask everlast75, he has seen loads of them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,057 ✭✭✭FixitFelix


    elperello wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAM0B6RuQU8

    Is this the incident referred to?
    Certainly a lot of AGS present.
    I'm sure they would be needed elsewhere rather than trying to sort this out.

    Think someone posted the wrong video, think that's a brawl in an LA club between the Crips and the Bloods. Too many do-rags and baggy jeans for it to be Ireland :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 610 ✭✭✭JustMe,K


    greenspurs wrote: »
    Some snaps and vids about of a massive incident at an event in the Row Cow Morans hotel .
    Dozens of garda cars and the garda helicopter in attendance.

    Yet, no mention of it on any MSM news reports (nationally anyway) !?

    This report, and the footage of the brawls in Dublin city centre over the previous few nights is not good.

    *allegedly* this event was sold out https://www.eventbrite.ie/e/new-years-day-party-tickets-79976894043# and the organisers told people to turn up and pay on the night which led to massive crowd control issues. There seems to have been more than the usual amount of trouble there recently though. But yeah, its never been the best place to be from what I remember!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,417 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Ask everlast75, he has seen loads of them.

    He's forced to watch them a la a clockwork orange.

    Glazers Out!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    It’s was private event not an open nightclub


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,116 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    nullzero wrote: »
    I see where you are coming from and I understand why you're saying what you're saying.

    Sadly there are large groups of kids from African backgrounds who come together in huge groups for these purposes. I'm not even talking about groups like we're seeing in these videos today but I personally witnessed groups of several hundred of these kids outside a shopping centre in West Dublin a few years ago to watch a fight between to young lads, they were at one stage move like a shoal of fish (I saw this from a vantage point above).

    I've seen plenty of anti social behaviour from Irish people as well, usually worse, this just seems to be an issue that is part of the youth culture of black kids in Dublin at the moment.

    If we're being really honest the real issue here if most likely cocaine, most morons fighting in the streets at night these days are after snorting a few lines of Bolivian marching powder.

    The irish descended on the US decades ago and caused chaos. They took on the Italian Mob and became worse than them. Innocent Irish people were persecuted as a result.

    It is dangerous to generalise and pick on a group and treat them as a whole. We have direct experience of that in the US, the UK and the North in the very recent past.

    You would swear people have f**king amnesia.

    I said it before and I'll say it again.

    The problem here is anti-social behaviour and criminality in general.

    The solution is lack of policing and community interaction, proper sentencing and proper prisons.

    It is that simple.

    Any person, white, black, traveller or otherwise should be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law, but the budget and resources of AGS have been decimated in the recent past and criminal gangs, notably more Irish than others have been doing a booming business. Garda stations have been closed down nationwide.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,538 ✭✭✭RocketRaccoon


    Constant videos? What constitutes constant?

    I see the two talked about here. I vaguely remember one from the beach somewhere in north county Dublin I think a while back.

    You're right, if you go around completely ignoring this issue by sticking your head in the sand its easy to miss the evidence.


  • Registered Users Posts: 343 ✭✭TwoMonthsOff


    Ah, diversity.

    The crowd wasn't too "diverse" I notice.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭PowerToWait


    Bobblehats wrote: »
    I’d be less nervous for her in a mosh pit. I don’t mind her wearing black; but not that sort..

    I’ll call this a racist comment. Any dispute?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,116 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    So because YOU see more blacks fighting on YOUR social media feed, means that more attention is being paid to blacks fighting... that's what you are saying yes?

    If you can't understand what I posted, then perhaps don't comment.

    Incidentally, I note that you have failed for a second time to answer a straight question.
    Ah, diversity.

    Thanks for proving my point.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,707 ✭✭✭Bobblehats


    I’ll call this a racist comment. Any dispute?

    Racist person might be closer to the mark. I wouldn’t want her wearing that culture; problem?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    You're right, if you go around completely ignoring this issue by sticking your head in the sand its easy to miss the evidence.

    How is that an answer? You said it was constant. Wheres the constant videos and how many or how often constitutes constant?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,538 ✭✭✭RocketRaccoon


    How is that an answer? You said it was constant. Wheres the constant videos and how many or how often constitutes constant?

    Are you trying to say you haven't seen multiple videos of black groups causing chaos throughout Dublin? Really?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭PowerToWait


    Bobblehats wrote: »
    Racist person might be closer to the mark. I wouldn’t want her wearing that culture; problem?

    Credit for not hiding behind any weasel words. I do have a problem with racism yes.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,707 ✭✭✭Bobblehats


    So do I.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    The Gardai need a serious recuritment drive for the K9 unit

    Sergent Sheperd and a few dozen other furry torpedos would soon have a calming effect on excitable sham minorties when they deviate from normative behaviour.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,845 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    These riots are chilling and sickening stuff

    AGS need new powers and much more punitive sentencing needs to be brought in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,035 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    Boards is increasingly shockingly racist.


  • Registered Users Posts: 343 ✭✭TwoMonthsOff


    Credit for not hiding behind any weasel words. I do have a problem with racism yes.

    You should do something about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Are you trying to say you haven't seen multiple videos of black groups causing chaos throughout Dublin? Really?

    I've seen 3 or 4 on here in the last year or 2. In my definition that's a long way from constant.

    All I asked was what you considered constant seeing as it was you that said it was.

    I literally said I'd seen multiple (I listed 3)


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭PowerToWait


    What are you gonna do about it?

    Ok sock puppet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,116 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Bobblehats wrote: »
    Racist person might be closer to the mark. I wouldn’t want her wearing that culture; problem?

    What culture?

    The entire black race, regardless of country of origin?

    What about a black person born here. Would you have a problem with that?

    What if you lived up the North, would you have a problem if the parents of a protestant lad wouldn't let him date your daughter, as they had a problem with your daughter's "culture"?


  • Registered Users Posts: 343 ✭✭TwoMonthsOff


    These riots are chilling and sickening stuff

    AGS need new powers and much more punitive sentencing needs to be brought in.

    It wont be long before a garda sends one of these boyos to hell. Then you'll see a real riot.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭PowerToWait


    These riots are chilling and sickening stuff

    AGS need new powers and much more punitive sentencing needs to be brought in.

    Surely you have some local insider information to share?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    i'd be more concerned with the mostly monochrome nature of the kids at the club that the riot. Ghettoisation. No plan for integration. We repeat the mistakes of our european neighbours.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,538 ✭✭✭RocketRaccoon


    I've seen 3 or 4 on here in the last year or 2. In my definition that's a long way from constant.

    All I asked was what you considered constant seeing as it was you that said it was.

    I literally said I'd seen multiple (I listed 3)

    So other than the 2 posted in this thread you've seen one similar video? Just one??? As I said, please take your head out of the sand.

    The problems we are seeing all throughout Europe and the UK with ghettos etc are happening right here in front of your eyes and you seemingly can't see it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    i'd be more concerned with the mostly monochrome nature of the kids at the club that the riot. Ghettoisation. No plan for integration. We repeat the mistakes of our european neighbours.

    Is a pub full of white people at a ballad session ghettoisation too?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭PowerToWait


    i'd be more concerned with the mostly monochrome nature of the kids at the club that the riot. Ghettoisation. No plan for integration. We repeat the mistakes of our european neighbours.

    You do of course realise this is the responsibility of the ‘host’ nation / culture. Judging by the majority of posts on here there isn’t much room for integration or assimilation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,799 ✭✭✭✭Ted_YNWA


    closed pending review


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,642 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    Mod: Considering some of the vile stuff already posted, there's not a hope of this being reopened.


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