Second Captains Part II

Say Your Number · 28-11-2020 11:29pm

Book review slot was good, I would agree that autobiographies would be better if they were released 5/10 years after a career has finished, rather than rush them out even before retirement, I forgot some of the things they mentioned about Champagne Football, shows how mental the whole thing is, I have zero interest in Cricket but that Breath of Sadness sounded quite interesting.

Clegg · 28-11-2020 11:51pm

Hopefully something good comes from all this.

https://twitter.com/diylan/status/1332816387253936128?s=09

Cienciano · 29-11-2020 7:57pm

Say Your Number wrote: »

Book review slot was good, I would agree that autobiographies would be better if they were released 5/10 years after a career has finished, rather than rush them out even before retirement, I forgot some of the things they mentioned about Champagne Football, shows how mental the whole thing is, I have zero interest in Cricket but that Breath of Sadness sounded quite interesting.

Every page of champagne football has 2 examples of unbelievable ineptitude and stupidity. Never mind the €100k cheque change of tone.

29-11-2020 8:12pm

Clegg wrote: »

Hopefully something good comes from all this.

https://twitter.com/diylan/status/1332816387253936128?s=09

Timing is too good when it is launching again this week.

Cienciano · 30-11-2020 10:10pm

"I want sovereign control over my brain"

Arghus · 04-12-2020 2:08am

It's not often I cringe for the man, but I did cringe today when Ken attempted a "oh no you didn't" - with sass - in response to Murph at one point.

Touch of accidental Partridge.

kilns · 04-12-2020 11:04am

Running Balance wrote: »

Always love the annual book review but I just cant take to sinead o Carroll.

I think she did it last year too?

She is a Ewan MacKenna disciple, thats all that needs to be said about her

Say Your Number · 04-12-2020 12:37pm

kilns wrote: »

She is a Ewan MacKenna disciple, thats all that needs to be said about her

Is she?

Did Ewan have some involvement with TheJournal before he turned into that old woman from The Simpsons who throws cats at everyone she meets.

kilns · 04-12-2020 12:42pm

Say Your Number wrote: »

Is she?

Did Ewan have some involvement with TheJournal before he turned into that old woman from The Simpsons who throws cats at everyone she meets.

I dont think so but she refers people to his "honest reporting" when she gets challenged on twitter about things like Dublin GAA

BTW good description of Ewan

Ivefoundgod · 04-12-2020 12:47pm

I don't get the hate people have for Sinead O' Carroll. Think she's a decent guest if not the most interesting.

As for the stuff about McKenna, don't know how you can infer she's a "disciple" based on some tweets about his Dublin GAA stuff which IMO was perfectly fine reporting and while he had an axe to grind it didn't change the facts of what he was reporting. Dublin GAA fans are way too precious about themselves and their teams.

McKenna has gone off the rails completely these days and I've muted him on twitter so no idea what he's at now but there was a time where he was a decent journalist.

The Davestator · 04-12-2020 12:54pm

Ivefoundgod wrote: »

I don't get the hate people have for Sinead O' Carroll. Think she's a decent guest if not the most interesting.

As for the stuff about McKenna, don't know how you can infer she's a "disciple" based on some tweets about his Dublin GAA stuff which IMO was perfectly fine reporting and while he had an axe to grind it didn't change the facts of what he was reporting. Dublin GAA fans are way too precious about themselves and their teams.

McKenna has gone off the rails completely these days and I've muted him on twitter so no idea what he's at now but there was a time where he was a decent journalist.

There was a time that Gemma O'Doherty was a decent journalist too

He's not gone full G.O.D though

applehunter · 04-12-2020 2:15pm

Ivefoundgod wrote: »

I don't get the hate people have for Sinead O' Carroll. Think she's a decent guest if not the most interesting.

Most people find her type of feminism a turn off.

dulpit · 04-12-2020 2:54pm

applehunter wrote: »

Most people find her type of feminism a turn off.

What's her type of feminism?

kilns · 04-12-2020 3:03pm

Ivefoundgod wrote: »

I don't get the hate people have for Sinead O' Carroll. Think she's a decent guest if not the most interesting.

As for the stuff about McKenna, don't know how you can infer she's a "disciple" based on some tweets about his Dublin GAA stuff which IMO was perfectly fine reporting and while he had an axe to grind it didn't change the facts of what he was reporting. Dublin GAA fans are way too precious about themselves and their teams.

McKenna has gone off the rails completely these days and I've muted him on twitter so no idea what he's at now but there was a time where he was a decent journalist.

No point getting into that here as its not the forum for it but while at the start it was right to ask geniune questions, but he is and always was far from impartial and he has used the figure to suit his personal agenda (similar to me stating look Germany get more EU funding than Ireland what a disgrace) and with that has gathered a following because of it.

Ivefoundgod · 04-12-2020 3:04pm

applehunter wrote: »

Most people find her type of feminism a turn off.

Not interested in going off on that kind of tangent but a bit of a weird claim to say "most" people are turned off by her type of feminism. I don't even really know what you mean by that but as I said I don't mind her at all and follow her on twitter without ever noticing anything I particularly disagreed with, certainly not enough to get annoyed about her being on the pod.

Anyway, I've no issue with her contributions to the podcasts and think she's been especially good on the book review every year.

Say Your Number · 04-12-2020 3:21pm

US Murph talking Biden today, not sure what that will mean for this thread.

Did you smash it · 04-12-2020 3:27pm

kilns wrote: »

similar to me stating look Germany get more EU funding than Ireland what a disgrace

Bad example. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48256318

kilns · 04-12-2020 3:39pm

Did you smash it wrote: »

Bad example. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48256318

Thats exactly the point, Germany gets 12bn from the EU, Ireland gets 2bn. Thats where his arguments start and end, he screams look at how much in total they are getting compared to the other without any relevance whatsoever.

But thats not for here and he is not worth a thread on his own

Ol' Donie · 04-12-2020 4:23pm

Say Your Number wrote: »

US Murph talking Biden today, not sure what that will mean for this thread.

Deadly

Arghus · 04-12-2020 5:08pm

applehunter wrote: »

Most people find her type of feminism a turn off.

I don't know what you mean to be honest. She seems entirely reasonable to me.

If you really mean a certain proportion of listeners find that she's a female journalist talking about sport a turn off then I'd agree with you. Let's be honest here: that's the beginning and the end of the problem. Because if you think she ever says something crazily feminist on SC then, buddy, you need your head checked.

MyPeopleDrankTheSoup · 04-12-2020 5:40pm

kilns wrote: »

Thats exactly the point, Germany gets 12bn from the EU, Ireland gets 2bn.

Germany net PAYS 12bn into the EU, Ireland net pays 2bn.

Did you smash it · 04-12-2020 5:57pm

MyPeopleDrankTheSoup wrote: »

Germany net PAYS 12bn into the EU, Ireland net pays 2bn.

Thanks for saying it. I chose not to bother.

tomwaits48 · 04-12-2020 6:26pm

Another week of disproportionate coverage/gloating of a Man Utd defeat, compared to when they win.

Brock Turnpike · 04-12-2020 6:40pm

tomwaits48 wrote: »

Another week of disproportionate coverage/gloating of a Man Utd defeat, compared to when they win.

Never let your support of a team cloud your listening experience.

tomwaits48 · 04-12-2020 6:51pm

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

Never let your support of a team cloud your listening experience.

Lol, you are right.

As an aside, what’s the craic the political pod? Hasn’t been one in ages?

kilns · 04-12-2020 8:35pm

Did you smash it wrote: »

Thanks for saying it. I chose not to bother.

Not true, Ireland pay net 229 million net not 2bn, Germany pay net 12bn yes, but they receive back 12bn also but pay approx 24 bn in

Jesus even I have forgot what the original point was

Cienciano · 05-12-2020 1:38pm

tomwaits48 wrote: »

Another week of disproportionate coverage/gloating of a Man Utd defeat, compared to when they win.

Lampard and Jose are doing well, have to target someone else!

It doesn't bother me one bit to be honest, but I'd imagine if you supported one of the teams it would get tiresome

Say Your Number · 05-12-2020 1:58pm

I'd agree with Ken, it would have been annoying if that Denver Broncos receiver was a success at QB.

US Murph reminiscing about doing live shows, Ken watching football in the corner ignoring everyone, people going in and out to the bar mid-show annoys me too.

Remember Eoin saying way back on OTB that Peter Collins kind of ignored him and talked a lot to some other lad about Hockey for a while.

Xavi6 · 07-12-2020 6:12am

Ken's lack of interest in work experience kids was brilliant because it's probably how most people feel when they get lumped with one

siblers · 07-12-2020 10:55pm

Murph missing from today's Podcast. Might sound harsh but its every bit as good without him. Wouldn't really miss him tbh

den87 · 07-12-2020 11:18pm

I like Murph for the GAA talk but sometimes he comes off as forced.

MercuryBoy · 08-12-2020 10:10am

That chat with Sadlier re Jack Byrne seemed to go on forever, I nearly fell asleep at the wheel

Raoul · 08-12-2020 11:42am

MercuryBoy wrote: »

That chat with Sadlier re Jack Byrne seemed to go on forever, I nearly fell asleep at the wheel

Also...he did sfa in the cup final.

EltonJohn69 · 08-12-2020 12:17pm

MercuryBoy wrote: »

That chat with Sadlier re Jack Byrne seemed to go on forever, I nearly fell asleep at the wheel

There was hot hot hot premier league action to review... and they squandered the podcast by talking about jack byrne/ league of Ireland

healy1835 · 08-12-2020 12:23pm

Lads, leave off Murph. He's the glue that keeps it all together. Richie on the other hand...he just seems to drain the life out of whatever topic he's on to talk about. I like the Players Chair and he's clearly suited to that style of interviewing but it's rare that he adds anything when on as a pundit.

EltonJohn69 · 08-12-2020 12:25pm

healy1835 wrote: »

Lads, leave off Murph. He's the glue that keeps it all together. Richie on the other hand...he just seems to drain the life out of whatever topic he's on to talk about. I like the Players Chair and he's clearly suited to that style of interviewing but it's rare that he adds anything when on as a pundit.

He peaked after the millwall Christmas party story, been chasing the dragon ever since

Did you smash it · 08-12-2020 12:32pm

Brexit changes Irish football quite significantly. It’s worthy of discussion although they didn’t address could young Irish players go to portugal or Germany or other EU leagues now at any age.

Did you smash it · 08-12-2020 12:33pm

healy1835 wrote: »

Lads, leave off Murph. He's the glue that keeps it all together. Richie on the other hand...he just seems to drain the life out of whatever topic he's on to talk about. I like the Players Chair and he's clearly suited to that style of interviewing but it's rare that he adds anything when on as a pundit.

He’s not the glue at all. Ken is the glue....and most of the rest as well.

healy1835 · 08-12-2020 12:58pm

Did you smash it wrote: »

He’s not the glue at all. Ken is the glue....and most of the rest as well.

He [Murphy] is a f*%king great presenter, and you're all f*%king idiots.

dulpit · 08-12-2020 1:25pm

Did you smash it wrote: »

He’s not the glue at all. Ken is the glue....and most of the rest as well.

Ken is good, but would be useless for anything that isn't soccer. Murph at least has interest across a range of sports.

siblers · 08-12-2020 1:27pm

Did you smash it wrote: »

He’s not the glue at all. Ken is the glue....and most of the rest as well.

If Ken is missing I don't bother listening to the football podcast. Seems pointless unless they have someone like Tim Vickery or Jonathan Wilson on to make it worth while.

Also, I was very surprised Eoin said Chris Wilder should STFU. Seemed slightly out of character for him

Brock Turnpike · 08-12-2020 1:28pm

dulpit wrote: »

Ken is good, but would be useless for anything that isn't soccer. Murph at least has interest across a range of sports.

Disagree. He's generally very funny when talking about other sports. A great "colour" commentator on other sports.

dulpit · 08-12-2020 1:57pm

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

Disagree. He's generally very funny when talking about other sports. A great "colour" commentator on other sports.

He's good for other sports as a "as well as" contributor, but not "instead of", if that makes sense?

Ultimately though, I think all 5 of them are needed to make the show what it is.

Beersmith · 08-12-2020 2:58pm

I am writing the following in a very light playful tone but I have noticed Ken has been shown to have been very wrong a lot of recent times and actually in fairness he has been saying this on-air, a few here:

>Gerrard at rangers (thought he would totally fail)
>Dundalk guaranteed winners of the LOI for the next decade (on the basis of 1 Europa league campaign)
>Stephen Kenny (as Ireland manager)
>Mourinho (at spurs)
>Pogba (that it essentially was Mourinho's problem)
>Kane (being finished)
>James Rodriguez (signing for Everton)
>Everton being in with a decent chance at the top
>Lampard (doing well)
>Mount and Abraham (not being able to get into the lineup)
>Kepa (thought it was just Lampard's tactics)
>David Silva (his quality as Real Sociedad are on fire)
>Atlectico Madrid (written off as the Simone has been there too long etc)
>Bayern (that they can't compete as the TV revenue isn't in the Bundesliga)
>Henderson (at Liverpool)
>Brendan Rogers (career in general)
>Moyes (at West Ham)
>Neymar at PSG (Barca not looking a great place and PSG doing well in the CL and him playing very well)

....maybe we shouldn't necessarily agree with anything Ken Early has to say about football

tomwaits48 · 08-12-2020 3:18pm

Beersmith wrote: »

I am writing the following in a very light playful tone but I have noticed Ken has been shown to have been very wrong a lot of recent times and actually in fairness he has been saying this on-air, a few here:

>Gerrard at rangers (thought he would totally fail)
>Dundalk guaranteed winners of the LOI for the next decade (on the basis of 1 Europa league campaign)
>Stephen Kenny (as Ireland manager)
>Mourinho (at spurs)
>Pogba (that it essentially was Mourinho's problem)
>Kane (being finished)
>James Rodriguez (signing for Everton)
>Everton being in with a decent chance at the top
>Lampard (doing well)
>Mount and Abraham (not being able to get into the lineup)
>Kepa (thought it was just Lampard's tactics)
>David Silva (his quality as Real Sociedad are on fire)
>Atlectico Madrid (written off as the Simone has been there too long etc)
>Bayern (that they can't compete as the TV revenue isn't in the Bundesliga)
>Henderson (at Liverpool)
>Brendan Rogers (career in general)
>Moyes (at West Ham)
>Neymar at PSG (Barca not looking a great place and PSG doing well in the CL and him playing very well)

....maybe we shouldn't necessarily agree with anything Ken Early has to say about football

So was Dunphy right then, you need to have played the professionally to truly understand it?

Ol' Donie · 08-12-2020 3:21pm

Pretty sure the "remember this is just a football game" in the US Murph intro was commentary interrupted by the news of John Lennon's murder, 40 years ago today.

Just y'know, saying.

Did you smash it · 08-12-2020 3:29pm

Beersmith wrote: »

I am writing the following in a very light playful tone but I have noticed Ken has been shown to have been very wrong a lot of recent times and actually in fairness he has been saying this on-air, a few here:

>Gerrard at rangers (thought he would totally fail)
>Dundalk guaranteed winners of the LOI for the next decade (on the basis of 1 Europa league campaign)
>Stephen Kenny (as Ireland manager)
>Mourinho (at spurs)
>Pogba (that it essentially was Mourinho's problem)
>Kane (being finished)
>James Rodriguez (signing for Everton)
>Everton being in with a decent chance at the top
>Lampard (doing well)
>Mount and Abraham (not being able to get into the lineup)
>Kepa (thought it was just Lampard's tactics)
>David Silva (his quality as Real Sociedad are on fire)
>Atlectico Madrid (written off as the Simone has been there too long etc)
>Bayern (that they can't compete as the TV revenue isn't in the Bundesliga)
>Henderson (at Liverpool)
>Brendan Rogers (career in general)
>Moyes (at West Ham)
>Neymar at PSG (Barca not looking a great place and PSG doing well in the CL and him playing very well)

....maybe we shouldn't necessarily agree with anything Ken Early has to say about football

Great post. I don’t recall all of them but I actually have a few to add.

Said around 2014 that Real should sell Ronaldo. A truly terrible call even at the time but especially when you look at what Ronaldo went on to do.

Sergio Ramos- a player Ken wrote off as a head case that is now proving indispensable to Real Madrid.

David Luiz proclaimed as the worlds best defender.

That Crystal Palace were kind of finished after sacking Ronald De Boer. Basically went on from strength to strength since under Hodgson.

One thing I think he was right about- Neymar’s move to PSG has been a bad career move. He would have done better to stay at Barca. Him leaving is basically why Barca are in a tailspin. If he stayed with Messi and Suarez they’d have won at least one more European cup.

Beersmith · 08-12-2020 3:47pm

Did you smash it wrote: »

Great post. I don’t recall all of them but I actually have a few to add.

Said around 2014 that Real should sell Ronaldo. A truly terrible call even at the time but especially when you look at what Ronaldo went on to do.

Sergio Ramos- a player Ken wrote off as a head case that is now proving indispensable to Real Madrid.

David Luiz proclaimed as the worlds best defender.

That Crystal Palace were kind of finished after sacking Ronald De Boer. Basically went on from strength to strength since under Hodgson.

One thing I think he was right about- Neymar’s move to PSG has been a bad career move. He would have done better to stay at Barca. Him leaving is basically why Barca are in a tailspin. If he stayed with Messi and Suarez they’d have won at least one more European cup.

Damn was meant to add ramos to it alright!

EltonJohn69 · 08-12-2020 4:38pm

Beersmith wrote: »

I am writing the following in a very light playful tone but I have noticed Ken has been shown to have been very wrong a lot of recent times and actually in fairness he has been saying this on-air, a few here:

>Gerrard at rangers (thought he would totally fail)
>Dundalk guaranteed winners of the LOI for the next decade (on the basis of 1 Europa league campaign)
>Stephen Kenny (as Ireland manager)
>Mourinho (at spurs)
>Pogba (that it essentially was Mourinho's problem)
>Kane (being finished)
>James Rodriguez (signing for Everton)
>Everton being in with a decent chance at the top
>Lampard (doing well)
>Mount and Abraham (not being able to get into the lineup)
>Kepa (thought it was just Lampard's tactics)
>David Silva (his quality as Real Sociedad are on fire)
>Atlectico Madrid (written off as the Simone has been there too long etc)
>Bayern (that they can't compete as the TV revenue isn't in the Bundesliga)
>Henderson (at Liverpool)
>Brendan Rogers (career in general)
>Moyes (at West Ham)
>Neymar at PSG (Barca not looking a great place and PSG doing well in the CL and him playing very well)

....maybe we shouldn't necessarily agree with anything Ken Early has to say about football

Ken = Not a real football man.

unplayable · 08-12-2020 4:40pm

ken is a top football contributor. whether he has what it takes to be a top, top, top football contributor, i dont know.

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