Mass shooting New Zealand Mosque - MOD NOTE POST #1

Giveaway · 15-03-2019 10:29am

Charles Ingles wrote: »

Still available they will see them unfortunately

Once on the internet always in the internet. Even if it could be scrubbed entirely many have already downloaded same to be reposted under different titles over the coming days and months. Best policy is for individuals to ignore.

Snow Garden · 15-03-2019 10:30am

batgoat wrote: »

He doesn't clarify if he's Christian in his manifesto however he does have multiple pleas towards Christians including

"ASK YOURSELF, WHAT WOULD POPE URBAN II DO?"

Based on it, I would say he commited them under a guise of Christianity to maintain a white Christian society. Breivik did similar. A similar argument to most far right politicians in Europe at this point in time.(they're generally incredibly racist.)

So I'm up pretty up in the air on if they have any real strong feelings about Christianity.

Hmmmm....when Muslim terrorists were murdering people I never saw people doubt how truly Muslim they were

Next people will want evidence of the terrorist saying a decade of the rosary.

force eleven · 15-03-2019 10:30am

Jelle1880 wrote: »

****ing hell man, that is absolutely insane...

49 dead...

It is, awful. Look at this plus all the sectarian church or mosque killings over the past decade, senseless. Achieves nothing.

Gringo180 · 15-03-2019 10:30am

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Woah woah woah there.

This guy does not represent more than about 17 australians. He may be a senator, but only got 17 votes to get in there (opponent was disqualified). His statement has been roundly and utterly condemned by all political sides in Australia. He has a history of being a racist, fascist, white supremacist - and his comments should only be taken in the light - to tar all Aussies with such views is vile.

Apologies. Tongue in cheek comment.

15-03-2019 10:30am

Deleted User wrote: »

batgoat wrote: »

He doesn't clarify if he's Christian in his manifesto however he does have multiple pleas towards Christians including

"ASK YOURSELF, WHAT WOULD POPE URBAN II DO?"

Based on it, I would say he commited them under a guise of Christianity to maintain a white Christian society. Breivik did similar. A similar argument to most far right politicians in Europe at this point in time.(they're generally incredibly racist.)

So I'm up pretty up in the air on if they have any real strong feelings about Christianity.

The answer to that question is "order the first crusade on Muslims". It's a stretch to say it's a Christian attack, and if it were motivated by it, there would be more to it than that.

If you look at it as if you were living in a Muslim country and it was on the news that he was emulating a pope it would seem like it was religiously motivated. Perception, right or wrong, can play a role. It's like propaganda.

Condemnation is important

The Moleman · 15-03-2019 10:33am

Thrashssacre wrote: »

Yeah there still up on some websites, may not be too easy for young kids to find although the audio is on YouTube.

That has me worried. Most kids can navigate the internet better than us.

tuxy · 15-03-2019 10:35am

He enjoyed his time in Pakistan, not so much his time in France.
His main gripe seemed to be immigration not religion or race.

Thrashssacre · 15-03-2019 10:35am

The Moleman wrote: »

That has me worried. Most kids can navigate the internet better than us.

If there that proficient they’ll have seen worse already, plenty of disgusting stuff out there.

Chancer3001 · 15-03-2019 10:36am

Just saw the video.

Pretty disgusting.

An absolute psychopath

kunst nugget · 15-03-2019 10:37am

The Moleman wrote: »

That has me worried. Most kids can navigate the internet better than us.

If it has you worried, talk to your kids and explain the situation to them and why they shouldn't watch the videos if someone goes to show it to them. If they do see it, at least talking to them will help them to process it.

Sardonicat · 15-03-2019 10:38am

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Just saw the video.

Pretty disgusting.

An absolute psychopath

Why did you watch that? Genuine question.

riffmongous · 15-03-2019 10:40am

Shocking news to wake up to.

The references to Pope Urban indicate the crusades, and maybe also the Deus Vult stuff you see on the net, which started off as a meme but was co-opted by the alt and then far right online, as an anti-muslim and 'Christian pride' phrase

kunst nugget · 15-03-2019 10:40am

The Moleman wrote: »

I don't know who that woman is.

Is she saying the shootings didn't happen?

No, she's saying that they were carried out by a crack team of globalists who have framed a bunch of sweet-hearted, far-right knuckledraggers to make white people look bad and to take away our civil liberties. Those darned globalists...

PinotNero · 15-03-2019 10:41am

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Utterly mental statement from an Australian senator:https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/politics/politician-lashes-out-at-muslims-after-christchurch-shootings-they-are-the-perpetrators/news-story/8e3f11fe73821dc3e65d75432ac76f2e

Wow :eek:

Thrashssacre · 15-03-2019 10:41am

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Just saw the video.

Pretty disgusting.

An absolute psychopath

Very proficient with the weapon he used, calm and collective. I wonder if this will open up a conversation on gun control there as apparently the laws there are fairly lax.

The Moleman · 15-03-2019 10:43am

Charles Ingles wrote: »

Still available they will see them unfortunately

Deleted User wrote: »

They are still available if you know where to look.

Giveaway wrote: »

Once on the internet always in the internet. Even if it could be scrubbed entirely many have already downloaded same to be reposted under different titles over the coming days and months. Best policy is for individuals to ignore.

I'm thinking now my sister's kid's school has a ban on devices. Hopefully no child has seen or heard about this this morning.

Chancer3001 · 15-03-2019 10:43am

Yeah insanely methodical and calm. Which is why he seems psychopathic to me.

Watched it out of curiosity of how bad it was. Tbh i learned that if im ever in that situation to take your chances running. Dont hide.

I didnt seek it out to watch. Got sent to me

blacklilly · 15-03-2019 10:43am

Despicable act, hard to actually think of adequate words to describe the heinousness of it.

RIP to all victims and thoughts with all their loved ones.

I don't know what punishment would suffice for such an act.

To think of innocent people, going to prayer and they are murdered in such brutality. I can't comprehend how anyone comes to a point in their thinking/rationale where they believe they've the right to take life. It's absolutely horrific.

nullzero · 15-03-2019 10:44am

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Utterly mental statement from an Australian senator:https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/politics/politician-lashes-out-at-muslims-after-christchurch-shootings-they-are-the-perpetrators/news-story/8e3f11fe73821dc3e65d75432ac76f2e

The casual xenophobia in Australia seems to be an extremely common and integral part of Australian life. They absolutely hate the Irish over there too. From a country that was a dumping ground for criminals you really have to laugh at the necks on them.

pawdee · 15-03-2019 10:44am

Sardonicat wrote: »

Why did you watch that? Genuine question.

I couldn't watch something like that. As for beheading videos.......jaysus....no way. It makes me wonder what affect watching these things has on young developing minds? Not to mention young people (and adults) who've actually witnessed beheadings etc first hand in Syria, Iraq etc. It's a crazy world.

tuxy · 15-03-2019 10:47am

Thrashssacre wrote: »

Very proficient with the weapon he used, calm and collective. I wonder if this will open up a conversation on gun control there as apparently the laws there are fairly lax.

That was part of his stated plan as he felt more people would agree and take similar action to him(not necessarily with guns) if their guns were taken.

Chancer3001 · 15-03-2019 10:47am

Remove freedoms like what?

The amount of shampoo you can take on a flight?

Mint Sauce · 15-03-2019 10:50am

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Just saw the video.

Pretty disgusting.

An absolute psychopath

Why would you want to to watch it. It disturbs me that such a video is out there.

pleas advice · 15-03-2019 10:56am

Snow Garden wrote: »

Hmmmm....when Muslim terrorists were murdering people I never saw people doubt how truly Muslim they were

I'm sure I did,

marklazarcovic · 15-03-2019 10:58am

I'm 44 ,I vote, I've no idea what all this left/right far left/far right stuff means, nor do I care, am I alone in this? Labels for everything seem to cause more problems.

Hope those innocents rest in peace.

Jelle1880 · 15-03-2019 11:01am

marklazarcovic wrote: »

I'm 44 ,I vote, I've no idea what all this left/right far left/far right stuff means, nor do I care, am I alone in this? Labels for everything seem to cause more problems.

Hope those innocents rest in peace.

Not as old as you

but I feel the same.

I have some left leaning ideas, others might be classed as right. But these days apparently you have to firmly pick a side... It's mental.

Baggly · 15-03-2019 11:02am

Mod

To clarify, because its been posted multiple times; Gemma O Doherty constitutes both conspiracy theories and off topic posting, which is contrary to the warning i gave earlier. I can delete the posts all day long, but each one will come with a card.

Stop posting Gemma's incendiary self promoting sh!te.

loobylou · 15-03-2019 11:02am

The Moleman wrote: »

Did the attackers make any reference to Christianity or claim to be acting because of religious beliefs?

If they did then it is as fair to call them Christian terrorists as it is to use the phrases Muslim/Islamic terrorists.

These people who do these things are not actually Christians or Muslims anymore than the IRA or UDF are Catholic or Protestants.

From his “manifesto”
Were/are you a Christian?
That is complicated.
When I know, I will tell you.

15-03-2019 11:02am

Mint Sauce wrote: »

Why would you want to to watch it. It disturbs me that such a video is out there.

I can understand the mentality of watching the video. It drives home the reality of the situation instead of it being just "another news story".

In this day and age, events like this come and go and are replaced by the next horrific act without it resonating fully with people. You rarely hear about the Vegas shooting or the news reporter that was shot live on air anymore.

Watching the video can sometimes make you treat it as an actual incident rather than something you read about underneath the latest Kardashian story.

Sometime you have to witness horrific things to understand them.

I can see why people wouldn't want to see it but I wouldn't condemn people who do watch the video.

Zorya · 15-03-2019 11:04am

KikiLaRue wrote: »

Has anyone asked Peter Casey his thoughts on the matter...?

What ?? I presume like everyone else who is not sick in the head that he is horrified.

KikiLaRue · 15-03-2019 11:06am

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Not as old as you but I feel the same.

I have some left leaning ideas, others might be classed as right. But these days apparently you have to firmly pick a side... It's mental.

Not in Ireland, most of us are centrist.

In very simplistic terms, right traditionally meant believing in small government (less regulations, lower taxes) and left traditionally meant higher taxes and better government services and protections (health, education, social welfare). The right was traditionally socially conservative and supported the traditional family unit, while the left supported equality.

In recent years, the right has become more associated with anti-abortion, anti-immigrant and in some cases anti-gay rights movements, while the left have been accused of being obsessed with identity politics (women's rights, gay rights, immigrants' rights) and wanting open borders (no one really wants open borders.

TallGlass · 15-03-2019 11:06am

What was this terroist reasons for going after unarmed people?

Then to record it.

MrFresh · 15-03-2019 11:09am

TallGlass wrote: »

What was this terroist reasons for going after unarmed people?

They are cowards. Simple as. his manifesto reads like a Reddit ****posters comment history.

demfad · 15-03-2019 11:10am

KikiLaRue wrote: »

Not in Ireland, most of us are centrist.

In very simplistic terms, right traditionally meant believing in small government (less regulations, lower taxes) and left traditionally meant higher taxes and better government services and protections (health, education, social welfare). The right was traditionally socially conservative and supported the traditional family unit, while the left supported equality.

In recent years, the right has become more associated with anti-abortion, anti-immigrant and in some cases anti-gay rights movements, while the left have been accused of being obsessed with identity politics (women's rights, gay rights, immigrants' rights) and wanting open borders (no one really wants open borders.

Modern right wing especially since the big-tech age has been pushing towards extreme nationalism and in the US/UK white supremacy.
Fascism is back in play.
Concerned citizens reaction to protect minorities is not an 'obsession'. It is just what right minded people would do.

Danzy · 15-03-2019 11:10am

If he thinks that globalization, the advance of the free market will be stopped by shooting people going about praying, he is even more deranged than his actions suggest.

SoundsRight · 15-03-2019 11:11am

Britain has very strict gun control laws, and terrorists just kill people with knives, vans and homemade bombs.

The fundamental issue is the role of Islam in western society. Do they want to assimilate and accept our values or continue to drive a wedge between us?

johnmcdnl · 15-03-2019 11:12am

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Utterly mental statement from an Australian senator:https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/politics/politician-lashes-out-at-muslims-after-christchurch-shootings-they-are-the-perpetrators/news-story/8e3f11fe73821dc3e65d75432ac76f2e

He's only a senator because of the **** up with dual nationality senators not being legal in Australia situation. He got 19 votes, that's not a typo, 19 votes in an state election got him into a senate position by sheer fluke.

https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/19-people-got-this-bloke-a-200k-job/news-story/f8d8aaa83f0c2bcab53626455a3698d6

15-03-2019 11:12am

I thought right was generally accepted as nationist and monarchist?
and left more liberal and socially democratic??

so extreme right would be racist in terms of FOR Queen and Country, type of nationalism and extreme left would be "lefty liberals" let everyone in, give everyone a house and welfare, and hollywood.

Boggles · 15-03-2019 11:12am

SoundsRight wrote: »

Britain has very strict gun control laws, and terrorists just kill people with knives, vans and homemade bombs.

The fundamental issue is the role of Islam in western society. Do they want to assimilate and accept our values or continue to drive a wedge between us?

Your username if it could would sue you for defamation.

Mitch Connor · 15-03-2019 11:13am

SoundsRight wrote: »

Britain has very strict gun control laws, and terrorists just kill people with knives, vans and homemade bombs.

The fundamental issue is the role of Islam in western society. Do they want to assimilate and accept our values or continue to drive a wedge between us?

The fundemental issue of muslims being murdered as they prey is their role in western society.

Do THEY want to drive a wedge? Like there is no evidence of while male dominated religions or political party looking to drive that wedge themselves.

FFS.

KikiLaRue · 15-03-2019 11:13am

SoundsRight wrote: »

Britain has very strict gun control laws, and terrorists just kill people with knives, vans and homemade bombs.

The fundamental issue is the role of Islam in western society. Do they want to assimilate and accept our values or continue to drive a wedge between us?

I'm sorry, are you actually attempting to blame Islam for a white Australian man committing mass murder while his victims were praying?

MrFresh · 15-03-2019 11:14am

SoundsRight wrote: »

Britain has very strict gun control laws, and terrorists just kill people with knives, vans and homemade bombs.

The fundamental issue is the role of Islam in western society. Do they want to assimilate and accept our values or continue to drive a wedge between us?

Terrorist shoot up two mosques and kill dozens of people and you want to blame muslims for driving a wedge in society?

CPTM · 15-03-2019 11:14am

The video just got sent to me via Whatsapp now which means it must be with the general populous because I never receive these things. It's like the crash in Finglas there last month where the person was horrifically killed. Crazy that someone can circulate these things. Imagine learning a loved one got shot dead, and then learning that half the world is gratifying some sick part of their brain by watching it.

Edit: nope I didn't watch it - the sender was beside me when they sent it, so that's how I know what it is.

Charles Ingles · 15-03-2019 11:14am

pleas advice wrote: »

I'm sure I did,

They were lone wolves that didn't represent Islam a religion of peace.
Just like that head case in NZ doesn't represent Christianity

Mitch Connor · 15-03-2019 11:14am

TallGlass wrote: »

What was this terroist reasons for going after unarmed people?

Then to record it.

To instill fear and violence, to promote chaos, hatred and the erradication of the 'invasion' of his country.

Jamiekelly · 15-03-2019 11:15am

I just went on to Facebook and had a look at 7 news Australia's post about the shooting and sweet jesus, the amount of people with real profile pics of them and their kids saying things like "finally someone had the guts to level the playing field for once" and "I wish it happened here, we need to thin out the HORDE" (notice the change of herd to hoarde)

And these are just regular people, jumping for joy at a mass killing like it should be celebrated. It says one thing about humanity and social media, no amount of happy smile selfies with your daughter on graduation day can hide the utter contempt for basic empathy these people must have. I'd be ashamed of myself for posting something remotely like that anonymously yet a principal of a school in Brisbane sees no problem in condoning terrorism...

May they RIP and may the attackers burn in hell for eternity if there is one.

Danzy · 15-03-2019 11:15am

demfad wrote: »

Modern right wing especially since the big-tech age has been pushing towards extreme nationalism and in the US/UK white supremacy.
Fascism is back in play.
Concerned citizens reaction to protect minorities is not an 'obsession'. It is just what right minded people would do.

Both left and right fringes are veering sharply in to totalitarian beliefs once more.

TallGlass · 15-03-2019 11:16am

I read on the Indo there. He is saying his parents are from Ireland, Scotland and England. Yet he is apparently saying these people he killed are invading his land as they are immigrants?

Kevin Finnerty · 15-03-2019 11:18am

TallGlass wrote: »

I read on the Indo there. He is saying his parents are from Ireland, Scotland and England. Yet he is apparently saying these people he killed are invading his land as they are immigrants?

I wouldn't try read too much into any of his reasoning. A pure coward who sadly took 49 with him just to fulfill some sick twisted fantasy.

KikiLaRue · 15-03-2019 11:18am

TallGlass wrote: »

I read on the Indo there. He is saying his parents are from Ireland, Scotland and England. Yet he is apparently saying these people he killed are invading his land as they are immigrants?

If you are white and you live in a different country you are an expat.

If you are any shade of black or brown, you are an immigrant.

Mass shooting New Zealand Mosque - MOD NOTE POST #1

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