Gallagher Premiership 2018/2019

Burkie1203 · 02-12-2018 4:29pm

Power cut at the rec. Ref Mic and TMO not working.

Burkie1203 · 02-12-2018 4:56pm

Bath 0-0 Sale at half time. Inspiring stuff

OldRio · 02-12-2018 4:58pm

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Power cut at the rec. Ref Mic and TMO not working.

And that is the highlight of the first half.
Bath 0 v Sale 0.

Dog Botherer · 02-12-2018 6:01pm

Finished 7-7

#ItsThePro14sFault

Burkie1203 · 02-12-2018 7:40pm

https://twitter.com/alexshawsport/status/1068802219967946752?s=19

02-12-2018 7:46pm

Dog Botherer wrote: »

Finished 7-7

#ItsThePro14sFault

There was nothing at all on show for Leinster to be worried about. Though they can't be that bad next week. I think w can expect the match to be played on a very heavy pitch.

Former Former · 02-12-2018 7:49pm

Burkie1203 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/alexshawsport/status/1068802219967946752?s=19

Except the Premiership can just change their regulations with the stroke of a pen and make all these players eligible.

Squidgy Black · 02-12-2018 7:50pm

Brianna CoolS Rule wrote: »

There was nothing at all on show for Leinster to be worried about. Though they can't be that bad next week. I think w can expect the match to be played on a very heavy pitch.

The weather was really truly awful so I wouldn't take that performance as what we'll get next week, but there was some dire rugby played.

The Rec looks like it'll still be in bits by next week, the pitch was in bad shape by the end of today's game. Unless it's dry for a couple straight days next week it'll be a bog.

Burkie1203 · 02-12-2018 7:50pm

Former Former wrote: »

Except the Premiership can just change their regulations with the stroke of a pen and make all these players eligible.

How would that work with European Cup and Work Visa's though

irishbucsfan · 02-12-2018 8:13pm

Burkie1203 wrote: »

How would that work with European Cup and Work Visa's though

No one knows what the visa situation will be.

The European cup’s rules won’t be a problem though

troyzer · 02-12-2018 9:51pm

Wouldn't this affect Welsh and Scottish teams in the Pro14 as well?

pickarooney · 02-12-2018 9:59pm

troyzer wrote: »

Wouldn't this affect Welsh and Scottish teams in the Pro14 as well?

Would it affect Ulster?

Burkie1203 · 02-12-2018 10:05pm

pickarooney wrote: »

Would it affect Ulster?

Good Friday agreement terms might cover that

troyzer · 02-12-2018 10:34pm

Burkie1203 wrote: »

pickarooney wrote: »

Would it affect Ulster?

Good Friday agreement terms might cover that

Yeah it would. Worst case scenario they'd have to get Irish passports if they didn't already have one which they're entitled to by birth.

I'm surprised that we're only three months from this and this is the first time somebody in the media has raised the alarm.

There's an update on the article which says that the RFU have changed the rule to maintain the status quo to the end of the season. Nothing beyond that.

Are we actually looking at a scenario where the British teams will be forfeiting European games come March? They'll need an EPCR rule change to save them.

Burkie1203 · 06-12-2018 7:28am

https://twitter.com/TimesSport/status/1070564746179547137?s=19

Dubinusa · 06-12-2018 3:24pm

Franno's article this week is a good one.
He says that the premiership is a 2 horse race and that the rest are way back.
He also mentions the influx of foreign players and in his opinion it detracts from the English game.
Similarly, Geordan Murphy is under the kosh as the Tigers are in the relegation zone. Apparently, there's chatter to bring in Martin Johnson.
All in all the standard of the premiership is poor. Franno thinks the Leinster seconds would beat most of them.

The rfu have lost the plot imo. Wasps are on the edge of bankruptcy and several teams are in the red.
The players are flogged week in, week out. How the rfu turns it around is anyone's guess. They have recently laid off staff and it looks bleak.

Brexit may make things worse in the short term. Who knows how sterling is going to fare. I assume foreign players would have a tougher time getting work visas. Although I have no clue how Brexit will affect the rfu, I think it will probably be detrimental to begin with.

How are these clubs able to exist if the majority are financially insolvent? I think the rfu should have sought investors, with the rfu maintaining control of the clubs.
The player welfare is awful. It's nuts.

That said, the IRFU look like business zen matters compared to the rfu. It will be a sad day for rugby if the Wasps fold. I never thought I'd see this day.

troyzer · 06-12-2018 3:26pm

Dubinusa wrote: »

Franno's article this week is a good one.
He says that the premiership is a 2 horse race and that the rest are way back.
He also mentions the influx of foreign players and in his opinion it detracts from the English game.
Similarly, Geordan Murphy is under the kosh as the Tigers are in the relegation zone. Apparently, there's chatter to bring in Martin Johnson.
All in all the standard of the premiership is poor. Franno thinks the Leinster seconds would beat most of them.

The rfu have lost the plot imo. Wasps are on the edge of bankruptcy and several teams are in the red.
The players are flogged week in, week out. How the rfu turns it around is anyone's guess. They have recently laid off staff and it looks bleak.

Brexit may make things worse in the short term. Who knows how sterling is going to fare. I assume foreign players would have a tougher time getting work visas. Although I have no clue how Brexit will affect the rfu, I think it will probably be detrimental to begin with.

How are these clubs able to exist if the majority are financially insolvent? I think the rfu should have sought investors, with the rfu maintaining control of the clubs.
The player welfare is awful. It's nuts.

That said, the IRFU look like business zen matters compared to the rfu. It will be a sad day for rugby if the Wasps fold. I never thought I'd see this day.

It'll probably take a few teams like Wasps to go bankrupt and let the Premiership be populated by championship teams and lower who to date have relied on acadmies rather than foreign imports.

Hopefully it would then become part of the culture.

The fear of course is that this is how Exeter got to the top but now they're splashing out on players like Hogg.

sydthebeat · 06-12-2018 3:31pm

Dubinusa wrote: »

Franno's article this week is a good one.
He says that the premiership is a 2 horse race and that the rest are way back.
He also mentions the influx of foreign players and in his opinion it detracts from the English game.
Similarly, Geordan Murphy is under the kosh as the Tigers are in the relegation zone. Apparently, there's chatter to bring in Martin Johnson.
All in all the standard of the premiership is poor. Franno thinks the Leinster seconds would beat most of them.

The rfu have lost the plot imo. Wasps are on the edge of bankruptcy and several teams are in the red.
The players are flogged week in, week out. How the rfu turns it around is anyone's guess. They have recently laid off staff and it looks bleak.

Brexit may make things worse in the short term. Who knows how sterling is going to fare. I assume foreign players would have a tougher time getting work visas. Although I have no clue how Brexit will affect the rfu, I think it will probably be detrimental to begin with.

How are these clubs able to exist if the majority are financially insolvent? I think the rfu should have sought investors, with the rfu maintaining control of the clubs.
The player welfare is awful. It's nuts.

That said, the IRFU look like business zen matters compared to the rfu. It will be a sad day for rugby if the Wasps fold. I never thought I'd see this day.

the majority of your post assumes the RFU have any kind of control over clubs.... in reality the have little if none.... and both union and clubs in england are pulling in different directions and have different priorities.

Buer · 06-12-2018 3:51pm

Dubinusa wrote: »

Franno's article this week is a good one.
He says that the premiership is a 2 horse race and that the rest are way back.
He also mentions the influx of foreign players and in his opinion it detracts from the English game.
Similarly, Geordan Murphy is under the kosh as the Tigers are in the relegation zone. .

Franno with the early scoop as usual.

errlloyd · 06-12-2018 3:56pm

I don't have a huge amount of sympathy for Wasps.

Borrowed a **** ton of money to build a team at probably the least sustainable moment in rugby history.

troyzer · 06-12-2018 3:57pm

errlloyd wrote: »

I don't have a huge amount of sympathy for Wasps.

Borrowed a **** ton of money to build a team at probably the least sustainable moment in rugby history.

I'm pretty sure the stadium is the main reason they're so indebted.

Stadiums in general are the main cause of debt in the premiership, not players.

errlloyd · 06-12-2018 4:10pm

troyzer wrote: »

I'm pretty sure the stadium is the main reason they're so indebted.

Stadiums in general are the main cause of debt in the premiership, not players.

Renting stadiums is the main cause of debt usually. But Wasps own the Ricoh. There are upkeep costs and they have to finance the debt they used to buy it but I follow their financial statements and the costs are spiraling each year. Admin expenses went up by 4.5m last year. And their auditor resigned.

Dog Botherer · 06-12-2018 6:38pm

Franno being given credit for writing guff that was readily apparent to casual fans months ago. Madness.

irishbucsfan · 06-12-2018 7:25pm

Buer wrote: »

Franno with the early scoop as usual.

Finger right on the pulse!

Burkie1203 · 10-12-2018 6:06pm

errlloyd wrote: »

Renting stadiums is the main cause of debt usually. But Wasps own the Ricoh. There are upkeep costs and they have to finance the debt they used to buy it but I follow their financial statements and the costs are spiraling each year. Admin expenses went up by 4.5m last year. And their auditor resigned.

https://twitter.com/PaulMorganrugby/status/1072165444885323781?s=19

troyzer · 10-12-2018 8:17pm

Burkie1203 wrote: »

errlloyd wrote: »

Renting stadiums is the main cause of debt usually. But Wasps own the Ricoh. There are upkeep costs and they have to finance the debt they used to buy it but I follow their financial statements and the costs are spiraling each year. Admin expenses went up by 4.5m last year. And their auditor resigned.

https://twitter.com/PaulMorganrugby/status/1072165444885323781?s=19

Is that a joke?

Burkie1203 · 10-12-2018 10:23pm

troyzer wrote: »

Is that a joke?

Dunno.

Errlloyd posted a few times about the bonds etc. Seems to be fairly risky way of doing stuff but this guy seems to think it's all good

troyzer · 10-12-2018 10:37pm

Burkie1203 wrote: »

troyzer wrote: »

Is that a joke?

Dunno.

Errlloyd posted a few times about the bonds etc. Seems to be fairly risky way of doing stuff but this guy seems to think it's all good

I was referring more to the tweet hailing the Wasps as a well run club.

Burkie1203 · 10-12-2018 10:45pm

troyzer wrote: »

I was referring more to the tweet hailing the Wasps as a well run club.

I think he genuinely believes what he is saying

troyzer · 10-12-2018 10:46pm

Burkie1203 wrote: »

troyzer wrote: »

I was referring more to the tweet hailing the Wasps as a well run club.

I think he genuinely believes what he is saying

Bizarre. I thought he was joking. Wasps are a basket case.

Dog Botherer · 10-12-2018 10:56pm

Well he is the Communications Director of Premiership Rugby. It’s in his best interests to pretend that everything is fine and dandy.

Burkie1203 · 10-12-2018 11:16pm

troyzer wrote: »

Bizarre. I thought he was joking. Wasps are a basket case.

Bonds of €35m plus losses up this year again. Errlloyd posted about the bonds a while back, I didn't really understand it but they basically built up debt and it's getting bigger year on year. Must be over €40m at this stage

Rigor Mortis · 11-12-2018 9:15am

The Icebergs are getting Icebergier

Utah_Saint · 11-12-2018 10:56am

Former Former · 12-12-2018 1:13am

Guardian reporting that the Premiership clubs have agreed to sell 35% of the league to CVC for £230 million.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/dec/11/premiership-rugby-hopes-to-finalise-cvc-deal-by-christmas

Not sure this is a good idea for them, either short term or long term. A few probably need the upfront cash I guess.

Tigerandahalf · 12-12-2018 7:50am

Not a good sign for the Heineken Cup.
Where are the new investors going to get all this extra money from sponsorship and tv?
Unless they are going to tempt the S African Super Rugby sides up north.

This investment company bought out rights in F1 already.

troyzer · 12-12-2018 8:10am

Tigerandahalf wrote: »

Not a good sign for the Heineken Cup.
Where are the new investors going to get all this extra money from sponsorship and tv?
Unless they are going to tempt the S African Super Rugby sides up north.

This investment company bought out rights in F1 already.

It's awful for English rugby as well. Whatever about the RFU struggling against the clubs, it'll be even worse now against a foreign, private third party.

“It always comes down to a few issues and we will work through them. Nothing is done until it’s done and it will not drag on. With the collective will around the table today, we can find the answers to those items. If we get there, it will be a landmark moment that will allow clubs to make the next wave of investment on grounds and fan experience Kieran Read, Sonny Bill Williams and Sam Whitelock.”

Fixed it. Anyone getting Brexit vibes from the nothing is agreed until everything is agreed bit?

Clegg · 22-12-2018 5:38pm

This Exeter v Saracens game is great. Owen Farrell just mouthed off to the ref to concede a penalty. Kick to Saracens half and a few phases later Exeter score a try. Schalk Burger has just been yellow carded and given away a penalty try.

It's 24-6 to Exeter with 10 minutes left. Saracens haven't lost a game since the Champions Cup defeat to Leinster last season.

Clegg · 22-12-2018 5:49pm

Exeter score the bonus point try in the final minute of the game. It came from a 14 man lineout.

31-13 at full time. First time Saracens have been beaten in 8 months. Exeter go top of the league.

Clegg · 22-12-2018 5:49pm

Exeter score the bonus point try in the final minute of the game. It came from a 14 man lineout.

31-13 at full time. First time Saracens have been beaten in 8 months. Exeter go top of the league.

Burkie1203 · 30-12-2018 5:16pm

https://twitter.com/IndySport/status/1079399548768923651?s=19

troyzer · 30-12-2018 5:26pm

Burkie1203 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/IndySport/status/1079399548768923651?s=19

What a massive twat.

Dubinusa · 02-01-2019 6:06pm

Underhill injured. Big loss for Bath and England.

troyzer · 02-01-2019 6:09pm

Dubinusa wrote: »

Underhill injured. Big loss for Bath and England.

We should really get a Six Nations thread going. There are loads of injuries already which will affect the tournament.

Tigerandahalf · 02-01-2019 6:24pm

I saw the highlights on c5 the other day. Some great games recently.
The hit Faf de Klerk put in on Billy Twelvetrees was something else, turned the ball over and Sale got a try.

Clegg · 02-01-2019 6:30pm

Underhill did a number on Leavy and VdF at the Rec. Would be a huge blow for England if he missed the opening game.

The statement from Bath says he's going for a scan on a ligament injury. It's only a month until the opening fixture against England. Hopefully he's back in time for the other fixtures.

Jump_In_Jack · 04-01-2019 9:45pm

BT Sport 1, Sale 18-13 Saracens at half-time just now.
Good match so far.
Billy V with an early try for Sarries, looks to be fully fit again.
Sale fought back well, Solomona with a nice try.
Ashton looking incisive for Sale.

Diabhal Beag · 04-01-2019 10:11pm

Is the atmosphere this ****e for all Sale games? Went over for the Connacht challenge cup match last year and they were nearly outnumbered by 300 Connacht fans but this looks a decent size crowd and they're barely applauding penalties Sale are winning.

Buer · 04-01-2019 10:19pm

21-13 with 15 to play. I think Saracens will get it together in time but Sale well worth their lead. Would be more too if the referee allowed a perfectly good try off a quick line out which he called back as he wanted to penalise Saracens for dissent instead.

FdK is having a brilliant game. He leaves nothing in the tank.

errlloyd · 04-01-2019 10:24pm

Buer wrote: »

21-13 with 15 to play. I think Saracens will get it together in time but Sale well worth their lead. Would be more too if the referee allowed a perfectly good try off a quick line out which he called back as he wanted to penalise Saracens for dissent instead.

FdK is having a brilliant game. He leaves nothing in the tank.

Is that allowed? Obviously players are a mile offside, but can you be offside if you're out of play?

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