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Connacht Team Talk Thread V - The Friend Zone

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    #7832
    Henry Ford III
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 17,638 Mod ✭✭✭✭Henry Ford III


    The Friend Zone
    Money must be an issue at both provincial and IRFU levels.

    Can't see IRFU green lighting anything much in the way of spending tbh.


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    #7833
    connachta
    Registered Users Posts: 7,965 ✭✭✭connachta


    We need 2 signings to be competitive in Europe

    we don't ask for Christmas father

    Just as many players as last season, which was a slim slim squad


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    #7834
    connachta
    Registered Users Posts: 7,965 ✭✭✭connachta


    Vavae Tuilagi younger brother in the familily is released by Carcasonne

    just 32 y.o since May, he should have 1 more year in the tank!!

    Pure ball-carrying n°8 we need...


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    #7835
    Former Former
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭Former Former


    You've got a Friend in me
    connachta wrote: »
    We need 2 signings to be competitive in Europe

    we don't ask for Christmas father

    Just as many players as last season, which was a slim slim squad

    It's hard to see IRFU sanctioning any signings at the same time they're trying to convince the current players to take a pay cut.

    And the names you're throwing around aren't good enough. Connacht don't need any more rubbish journeymen.


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    #7836
    KBurke85
    Registered Users Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭KBurke85


    The Friend Zone
    Former Former wrote: »
    It's hard to see IRFU sanctioning any signings at the same time they're trying to convince the current players to take a pay cut.

    And the names you're throwing around aren't good enough. Connacht don't need any more rubbish journeymen.

    I got the impression from Ruane and Friend that the signings were pretty much already made they just haven't been announced yet


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    #7837
    Lebute
    Registered Users Posts: 228 ✭✭Lebute


    Former Former wrote: »
    It's hard to see IRFU sanctioning any signings at the same time they're trying to convince the current players to take a pay cut.

    And the names you're throwing around aren't good enough. Connacht don't need any more rubbish journeymen.

    You would assume that a budget has been previously allocated and the money is there to sign these players without further approval from The IRFU factoring AF is saying you can expect another two signings. So I would say from Connacht's side they have the allocation for wages etc it just getting the players to sign on the dotted line.


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    #7838
    Burkie1203
    Registered Users Posts: 11,176 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Mul, it's over
    KBurke85 wrote: »
    I got the impression from Ruane and Friend that the signings were pretty much already made they just haven't been announced yet

    Presumably because if the players play hard ball with the IRFU then the signings might not get sanctioned?

    Tigers lost 5m revenue in the last 4 month's. Just to put it into context


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    #7839
    Burkie1203
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    Mul, it's over
    Lebute wrote: »
    You would assume that a budget has been previously allocated and the money is there to sign these players without further approval from The IRFU factoring AF is saying you can expect another two signings. So I would say from Connacht's side they have the allocation for wages etc it just getting the players to sign on the dotted line.



    Philip Browne previously stated budgets may well be revised downwards


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    #7840
    Bazzo
    Registered Users Posts: 7,047 ✭✭✭Bazzo


    Mul, it's over
    Yeah ye're probably right lads. What would Andy Friend know about Connacht's signings for the season, wouldn't be as in the know with IRFU as yourselves.


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    #7841
    connachta
    Registered Users Posts: 7,965 ✭✭✭connachta


    Bazzo wrote: »
    Yeah ye're probably right lads. What would Andy Friend know about Connacht's signings for the season, wouldn't be as in the know with IRFU as yourselves.




    And again, "wedge pretentions" are lower, so there's kind a of balance. Budget might be tight though, and we must have to live with players some of you consider as "not good enough". I'd be very happy with an experienced n°8 who gain ground without being exceptional. Same for a 15/Winger, a profile like Dannie Poolman



    But it's just not possible to go with such a thin squad. Barely 30 players above 24.


    Last season we were forced to play a 19 y.o guy when we had 2 more guys in the squad.


    IRFU will let at least 2 coming


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    #7842
    connachta
    Registered Users Posts: 7,965 ✭✭✭connachta


    40 players under contract, 42 is a minimum in a "dense" season. With many international games to come, Connacht players might well be mobilized (and rested) for this too.

    16 of these 40 players are between 20 and 24 year-old


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    #7843
    Former Former
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    You've got a Friend in me
    KBurke85 wrote: »
    I got the impression from Ruane and Friend that the signings were pretty much already made they just haven't been announced yet

    Oh I missed that. Was that after the Arnold and Oliver announcements?

    But if that's the case, then the names being thrown around here definitely aren't in the mix (which is a good thing).


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    #7844
    thomond2006
    Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Some Like It TOH
    If someone has been playing in the ProD2 for nine years and is past their prime age, then a club like Connacht should not be considering them. You would be signing a surname and nothing more.


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    #7845
    b.gud
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    On the Connacht zoom call this evening.
    Andy and Willie both said that they expect the Connacht squad to be bigger next season, when compared to this season.
    Expect some announcements this week
    Former Former wrote: »
    Oh I missed that. Was that after the Arnold and Oliver announcements?

    But if that's the case, then the names being thrown around here definitely aren't in the mix (which is a good thing).

    The above post from bazwarf is where it was originally mentioned that Friend and Ruane said there would be signings


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    #7846
    connachta
    Registered Users Posts: 7,965 ✭✭✭connachta


    Former Former wrote: »
    Oh I missed that. Was that after the Arnold and Oliver announcements?

    But if that's the case, then the names being thrown around here definitely aren't in the mix (which is a good thing).


    Not at all. For example n°8 Tuilagi or the S-Af winger I quoted are listed as "released" for ages, and not retired or link to a new club.


    So they might be signed (for us or elsewhere) waiting for an official announcement (linked to season tickets)


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    #7847
    Lucas44
    Registered Users Posts: 379 ✭✭Lucas44


    connachta wrote: »
    Why on earth everybody does quote J.Ryan ?

    He's an exception of athletism.
    Yes he is a lean 20 y.o lock


    1 to 495 professional 2nd rows who are between 115 and 120k, + between 28 and 34 y.old

    If you don’t want James Ryan here’s a list of internationals that are +- 5kg of Murray ( depending on when in the day they have visited the toilet )... let the kid play before judging....he may look slim out on the pitch but If you went out of your way to watch him play at club level or international level (u20) you would have seen he packs a far bigger punch than how he looks.. imo the closest player on this list that his game translates to is Courtney lawes, may not ever be a big carrier but class in line out and workhorse in D..



    Tadgh Beirne 113kg
    Scott Barrett 111kg
    Franco mostert 112kg
    Courtney lawes 115kg
    Rg snyman 117kg
    Maro itoje 115kg
    Cyril cazeaux 107kg
    Gulliame ducat 110kg
    Killian gerci 106kg
    Charlie ewels 112kg
    Dean budd 108kg
    Niccolo cannone 110kg
    Federrico ruzza 108kg
    Ultan dillane 115kg
    Seb Davies 116kg
    Cory hill 111kg
    Scott Cummings 116kg
    Ben toolis 115k

    (I gave up after 6nations teams)


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    #7848
    connachta
    Registered Users Posts: 7,965 ✭✭✭connachta


    Murray just reach 110k from 100k during lockdown. He may lose weight during open season and training.

    So here are in your list those who are really comparable


    Lucas44 wrote: »


    James Ryan 108-112 kg
    Scott Barrett 111kg
    Cyril Cazeaux 107kg
    Gulliame Ducat 110kg
    Killian Gerci 106kg
    Dean Budd 108kg
    Niccolo Cannone 110kg
    Federrico Ruzza 108kg
    Cory Hill 111kg




    In this list only 2 are high-profile players.


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    #7849
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,076 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    The Friend Zone
    connachta wrote: »

    In this list only 2 are high-profile players.

    the 25 capped welsh player and the italian captain with 29 caps might like to be considered pretty high profile' .... especially considering the quality of player you were linking to connacht earlier.

    conveniently left franco mostert off that list too.....believe it or not he was just 103 kgs at the age of 25..... gives Murray plenty of time to add a decent bit of bulk to himself.


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    #7850
    realhorrorshow
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    Lucas44 wrote: »
    If you don’t want James Ryan here’s a list of internationals that are +- 5kg of Murray ( depending on when in the day they have visited the toilet )... let the kid play before judging....he may look slim out on the pitch but If you went out of your way to watch him play at club level or international level (u20) you would have seen he packs a far bigger punch than how he looks.. imo the closest player on this list that his game translates to is Courtney lawes, may not ever be a big carrier but class in line out and workhorse in D..



    Tadgh Beirne 113kg
    Scott Barrett 111kg
    Franco mostert 112kg
    Courtney lawes 115kg
    Rg snyman 117kg
    Maro itoje 115kg
    Cyril cazeaux 107kg
    Gulliame ducat 110kg
    Killian gerci 106kg
    Charlie ewels 112kg
    Dean budd 108kg
    Niccolo cannone 110kg
    Federrico ruzza 108kg
    Ultan dillane 115kg
    Seb Davies 116kg
    Cory hill 111kg
    Scott Cummings 116kg
    Ben toolis 115k

    (I gave up after 6nations teams)

    If you're comparing players like this you need to consider height, 111kg at 195cm (Cory Hill) is not the same as 110kg at ~201cm. I do agree that he punches above his weight and won't be found wanting in lower level Pro 14 games. He's a very good defender and an intelligent, effective carrier. I would be a bit concerned about his scrummaging, but it's not like Thornbury or Dillane are great either tbh.


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    #7851
    connachta
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    realhorrorshow wrote: »
    If you're comparing players like this you need to consider height, 111kg at 195cm (Cory Hill) is not the same as 110kg at ~201cm. I do agree that he punches above his weight and won't be found wanting in lower level Pro 14 games. He's a very good defender and an intelligent, effective carrier. I would be a bit concerned about his scrummaging, but it's not like Thornbury or Dillane are great either tbh.




    I was thinking the same tonight, it's about BMI (body mass index)


    I agree 100% with this post


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    #7852
    connachta
    Registered Users Posts: 7,965 ✭✭✭connachta


    franco mostert

    111k 198m

    Nial Murray

    110 (sure it will be 108 after pre-season) 202m


    Look at Thornbury he isn't fat, he isn't a ball carrier, or a scrummager

    he's the same height and .. 114k


    Murray has to reach this at least. It's not for this season. But he may be on his way, and of course it's less worrying to have him in the team with 10 more kilos than last autumn


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    #7853
    ClanofLams
    Registered Users Posts: 4,210 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    Mul, it's over
    Alex Wooton joining on one year loan.


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    #7854
    Wegians89
    Registered Users Posts: 3,446 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    The Friend Zone
    ClanofLams wrote: »
    Alex Wooton joining on one year loan.

    Interesting deal. Happy with it, official?


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    #7855
    [Deleted User]
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    Wegians89 wrote: »
    Interesting deal. Happy with it, official?

    Yeah, season ticket holders got an email announcing it prior to it going live on the Connacht website
    https://www.connachtrugby.ie/connacht-rugby-announce-loan-signing-of-alex-wootton/


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    #7856
    rayd3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 100 ✭✭rayd3


    ClanofLams wrote: »
    Alex Wooton joining on one year loan.

    Great move for Alex & Connacht in my opinion and frees up some minutes for Flannery and French. All very sensible.


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    #7857
    thomond2006
    Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Some Like It TOH
    Win-win all round. Connacht fill a position of need, Munster free up a contract they no longer needed and Wootton gets a great opportunity.


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    #7858
    connachta
    Registered Users Posts: 7,965 ✭✭✭connachta


    So now where is our big n°8?


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    #7859
    realhorrorshow
    Registered Users Posts: 1,890 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    Loosehead

    Denis Buckley (30) - Signed 2 year contract in 2019
    Matthew Burke (23) - Signed contract in 2019
    Jordan Duggan (22) - Signed contract in 2020
    Paddy McAllister (31) - Signed contract in 2019

    Charlie Ward (20) - Academy year 1

    Tighthead

    Jack Aungier (21) - Signed 2 year contract in 2020
    Finlay Bealham (29) - Signed 2 year contract in 2019
    Conor Kenny (24) - Signed 1 year contract in 2020
    Dominic Robertson-McCoy (26) - Signed 2 year contract in 2020

    Hooker

    Shane Delahunt (26) - Signed 1 year contract in 2020
    Dave Heffernan (29) - Signed contract in 2019
    Jonny Murphy (28) - Signed contract in 2018

    Declan Adamson (21) - Academy year 2
    Eoin De Buitléar (u20) - Academy year 1
    Dylan Tierney-Martin (21) - Academy year 3

    Lock

    Ultan Dillane (26) - Signed 2 year contract in 2019
    Oisin Dowling (23) - Signed 2 year contract in 2020
    Cillian Gallagher (23) - Signed contract in 2018
    Niall Murray (20) - Signed contract in 2020
    Quinn Roux (29) - Signed 2 year contract in 2019
    Gavin Thornbury (26) - Signed 2 year contract in 2019

    Darragh Murray (u20) - Academy year 1
    Cian Prendergast (20) - Academy year 1

    Back row

    Paul Boyle (23) - Signed 2 year contract in 2019
    Jarrad Butler (29) - Signed 2 year contract in 2020
    Eoghan Masterson (27) - Signed 2 year contract in 2018
    Sean Masterson (22) - Signed contract in 2020
    Sean O'Brien (25) - Signed 2 year contract in 2020
    Conor Oliver (24) - Signed 1 year contract in 2020

    Ciaran Booth (20) - Academy year 1
    Donnacha Byrne (u20) - Academy year 1
    Hubert Costello (u20) - Academy year 1
    Joshua Dunne (20) - Academy year 3
    Oisin McCormack (19) - Academy year 2

    Scrumhalf

    Caolin Blade (26) - Signed 2 year contract in 2020
    Stephen Kerins (24) - Signed contract in 2019
    Kieran Marmion (28) - Signed 3 year contract in 2020
    Colm Reilly (21) - Signed contract in 2020

    Outhalf

    Jack Carty (28) - Signed 2 year contract in 2019
    Conor Dean (22) - Signed contract in 2020
    Conor Fitzgerald (22) - Signed contract in 2019

    Cathal Forde (19) - Academy year 1

    Centre

    Bundee Aki (28) - Signed 3 year central contract in 2020
    Sammy Arnold (24) - Signed 2 year contract in 2020
    Tom Daly (27) - Signed 2 year contract in 2020
    Tom Farrell (26) - Signed 2 year contract in 2020
    Peter Robb (26) - Signed 2 year contract in 2020

    Shane Jennings (19) - Academy year 2
    Sean O'Brien (22) - Academy year 3

    Back 3

    Stephen Fitzgerald (24) - Signed contract in 2019
    Matt Healy (31) - Signed 2 year contract in 2020
    Tiernan O'Halloran (29) - Signed 2 year contract in 2020
    John Porch (26) - Signed contract in 2019
    Peter Sullivan (22) - Signed contract in 2020
    Alex Wootton (26) - Signed 1 year loan contract in 2020

    Colm de Buitléar (22) - Academy year 3
    Oran McNulty (20) - Academy year 3

    In: Jordan Duggan (Academy),Jack Aungier (Leinster), Oisin Dowling (Leinster), Niall Murray (Academy), Sean Masterson (Academy), Conor Oliver (Munster), Colm Reilly (Academy), Conor Dean (Academy), Sammy Arnold (Munster), Peter Sullivan (Academy)
    Out: Peter Mccabe, Rory Burke, Tom McCartney (Retiring), Joe Maksimyw, Robin Copeland (Soyaux Angouleme), Colby Fainga'a (Lyon), Eoin McKeon, Angus Lloyd (Retiring), Dave Horwitz, Kyle Godwin, Niyi Adeolokun, Darragh Leader


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    #7860
    yerrahbah
    Registered Users Posts: 1,366 ✭✭✭yerrahbah


    realhorrorshow wrote: »
    Loosehead

    Denis Buckley (30) - Signed 2 year contract in 2019
    Matthew Burke (23) - Signed contract in 2019
    Jordan Duggan (22) - Signed contract in 2020
    Paddy McAllister (31) - Signed contract in 2019

    Charlie Ward (20) - Academy year 1

    Tighthead

    Jack Aungier (21) - Signed 2 year contract in 2020
    Finlay Bealham (29) - Signed 2 year contract in 2019
    Conor Kenny (24) - Signed 1 year contract in 2020
    Dominic Robertson-McCoy (26) - Signed 2 year contract in 2020

    Hooker

    Shane Delahunt (26) - Signed 1 year contract in 2020
    Dave Heffernan (29) - Signed contract in 2019
    Jonny Murphy (28) - Signed contract in 2018

    Declan Adamson (21) - Academy year 2
    Eoin De Buitléar (u20) - Academy year 1
    Dylan Tierney-Martin (21) - Academy year 3

    Lock

    Ultan Dillane (26) - Signed 2 year contract in 2019
    Oisin Dowling (23) - Signed 2 year contract in 2020
    Cillian Gallagher (23) - Signed contract in 2018
    Niall Murray (20) - Signed contract in 2020
    Quinn Roux (29) - Signed 2 year contract in 2019
    Gavin Thornbury (26) - Signed 2 year contract in 2019

    Darragh Murray (u20) - Academy year 1
    Cian Prendergast (20) - Academy year 1

    Back row

    Paul Boyle (23) - Signed 2 year contract in 2019
    Jarrad Butler (29) - Signed 2 year contract in 2020
    Eoghan Masterson (27) - Signed 2 year contract in 2018
    Sean Masterson (22) - Signed contract in 2020
    Sean O'Brien (25) - Signed 2 year contract in 2020
    Conor Oliver (24) - Signed 1 year contract in 2020

    Ciaran Booth (20) - Academy year 1
    Donnacha Byrne (u20) - Academy year 1
    Hubert Costello (u20) - Academy year 1
    Joshua Dunne (20) - Academy year 3
    Oisin McCormack (19) - Academy year 2

    Scrumhalf

    Caolin Blade (26) - Signed 2 year contract in 2020
    Stephen Kerins (24) - Signed contract in 2019
    Kieran Marmion (28) - Signed 3 year contract in 2020
    Colm Reilly (21) - Signed contract in 2020

    Outhalf

    Jack Carty (28) - Signed 2 year contract in 2019
    Conor Dean (22) - Signed contract in 2020
    Conor Fitzgerald (22) - Signed contract in 2019

    Cathal Forde (19) - Academy year 1

    Centre

    Bundee Aki (28) - Signed 3 year central contract in 2020
    Sammy Arnold (24) - Signed 2 year contract in 2020
    Tom Daly (27) - Signed 2 year contract in 2020
    Tom Farrell (26) - Signed 2 year contract in 2020
    Peter Robb (26) - Signed 2 year contract in 2020

    Shane Jennings (19) - Academy year 2
    Sean O'Brien (22) - Academy year 3

    Back 3

    Stephen Fitzgerald (24) - Signed contract in 2019
    Matt Healy (31) - Signed 2 year contract in 2020
    Tiernan O'Halloran (29) - Signed 2 year contract in 2020
    John Porch (26) - Signed contract in 2019
    Peter Sullivan (22) - Signed contract in 2020
    Alex Wootton (26) - Signed 1 year loan contract in 2020

    Colm de Buitléar (22) - Academy year 3
    Oran McNulty (20) - Academy year 3

    In: Jordan Duggan (Academy),Jack Aungier (Leinster), Oisin Dowling (Leinster), Niall Murray (Academy), Sean Masterson (Academy), Conor Oliver (Munster), Colm Reilly (Academy), Conor Dean (Academy), Sammy Arnold (Munster), Peter Sullivan (Academy)
    Out: Peter Mccabe, Rory Burke, Tom McCartney (Retiring), Joe Maksimyw, Robin Copeland (Soyaux Angouleme), Colby Fainga'a (Lyon), Eoin McKeon, Angus Lloyd (Retiring), Dave Horwitz, Kyle Godwin, Niyi Adeolokun, Darragh Leader

    Didn't realize Connacht were so light in the back 3.
    A very useful signing considering


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    #7861
    connachta
    Registered Users Posts: 7,965 ✭✭✭connachta


    Decent in attack but can't tackle, staff have a work to accomplish here...


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