CCTV

31-10-2017 2:30am

I think this is what I bought:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/ANNKE-Security-Surveillance-All-weather-Adaptation/dp/B00MGJ4YW8/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1509413324&sr=8-2&keywords=annke+security+camera+system+smart

Comes with 4 cams and a 1tb HDD installed. £140.

I say think because amazon is still a weird-ass HTML site for me. Is it just me, or is anyone else getting that? Works fine on my phone?

31-10-2017 2:31am

Whilst I'm here, does anyone know if there's an easy-peasy lemon squeezy way of getting that CCTV/DVR to show on two separate screens in two different rooms?

I'm sure there's an easy way to do it but i've mental block thinking about it.

deckie27 · 31-10-2017 3:08pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Whilst I'm here, does anyone know if there's an easy-peasy lemon squeezy way of getting that CCTV/DVR to show on two separate screens in two different rooms?

I'm sure there's an easy way to do it but i've mental block thinking about it.

Would you mind posting some footage when you have it going. Cheer's

logistic · 31-10-2017 4:30pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I think this is what I bought:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/ANNKE-Security-Surveillance-All-weather-Adaptation/dp/B00MGJ4YW8/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1509413324&sr=8-2&keywords=annke+security+camera+system+smart

Comes with 4 cams and a 1tb HDD installed. £140.

I say think because amazon is still a weird-ass HTML site for me. Is it just me, or is anyone else getting that? Works fine on my phone?

I would be interested in seeing the video quality as well.

Came across this system

https://www.amazon.co.uk/ANNKE-1920x1080P-Weatherproof-Compression-Zero-channel/dp/B01A6Z42AC/ref=redir_mobile_desktop?_encoding=UTF8&dpID=51QQQgAbv2L&dpPl=1&keywords=cctv&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&qid=1509355555&ref=plSrch&ref_=mp_s_a_1_43&sr=8-43

I know it doesnt come with a hard drive but this is easly fitted. The camera quality is what stands out to me. What do people think?

31-10-2017 4:59pm

Hi folks. I'll try get a video up later on (more realistically, it'll be tomorrow I'd say). It's just figuring out how to get the footage off it that'll throw me as I haven't actually used it properly (I just admired the cam quality and then turned it off again).

31-10-2017 5:01pm

logistic wrote: »

I would be interested in seeing the video quality as well.

Came across this system

https://www.amazon.co.uk/ANNKE-1920x1080P-Weatherproof-Compression-Zero-channel/dp/B01A6Z42AC/ref=redir_mobile_desktop?_encoding=UTF8&dpID=51QQQgAbv2L&dpPl=1&keywords=cctv&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&qid=1509355555&ref=plSrch&ref_=mp_s_a_1_43&sr=8-43

I know it doesnt come with a hard drive but this is easly fitted. The camera quality is what stands out to me. What do people think?

Apparently the ones I have are 1mp cameras, so theoretically, that should have 2x better quality.. although realistically, higher MP count really will only assist with cropping footage and preserving quality (ie; if you have to zoom in).

rocky · 31-10-2017 8:42pm

I bought a few months ago a Kare 4 cam system, 720p, PoE and now I'm looking at replacing it, because although cheap, it doesn't really work that great. I'm looking at getting separate cameras and NVR, Dahua Starlight series (only 2MP, but great night quality) are well regarded.

I only ever connected 1 of the 4 Kare cameras, and now that camera failed so I replaced it with another unused one (2 more spares to go

.

I guess if you want cheapest, the ANNKE system posted above is alright, but that's an analog system (through coax cable, and not Ethernet. I'd have my doubts about the 1080p claims. Yes the output file will have that resolution, but is the level of detail on par?)

What I also found less than ideal on the Kare system was that all cameras came with 3.6mm lenses, which results in a FOV of maybe 55-60 degrees, whereas the 1 Dahua cam I got has a FOV of 101 degrees, meaning it covers both sides of the house. With large FOV comes the drawback of not being able to identify faces (more area crammed in the same pixels, so less detail) but tbh for now I care more about all corners and entries of the house being covered than I am about identifying faces.

Thinking of getting this entry-level NVR along with this varifocal lens to cover the front of the house properly.

Keep in mind with Chinese brands (like ANNKE, Kare, Dahua etc) there are more security concerns, but if the worse it can happen is someone on the other side of the globe looks in my back garden, I'm ok with that. When you setup the cameras, make sure they don't have internet access (separate subnet, VLAN etc).

So I started with a kit like many here, and now I'm looking to upgrade it piece by piece with more performant components.

A good source of info I found to be the forums at ipcamtalk.com

deckie27 · 01-11-2017 7:54pm

batman2000 wrote: »

Did you purchase this system. I was looking online and mainly at the Annke and Sannce range. Seems to have a good range and decent reviews. I can add in a HDD for eur70

https://www.annkesecurity.com/4mp-security-system/annke-1080p-8ch-hd-poe-security-camera-system-w-4-x-4mp-bullet-cameras-without-hdd.html

Hi Batman
Did you get a system?

KoolKid · 01-11-2017 9:53pm

If your around that budget shop closer to home & look at HIK Vision.

02-11-2017 4:15am

I know I took a bit longer to get this footage up here, folks, but that cheapo ~€165 Annke system I was banging on about, well here's some night time footage with it.

The street at the front is lit alright. Not great, but not terrible. It'd be on the poor side of average street-lighting. The back garden, and next doors back garden (the wall is broken between our gardens on the video) are pretty much in pitch black, though, and the camera can make out what's going on, so I'm personally happy with that.

(the house is undergoing some work at the moment, hence the mess).

Footage is grainy, but considering you get the DVR, a 1tb drive, 4 cameras and all wires, I think it's really good (and i'll be honest and say again, i find the footage is better than I anticipated).

On the plus side, I timed myself; it only took me about 20 minutes to turn the system on, record 5 minutes of footage, transfer the file to a HDD, upload it to youtube, do a little cropping and publish it. I think that's reasonable and demonstrates that it's relatively easy to get the footage off it.

rocky wrote: »

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To be honest, I'd be very skeptical about any claims of video quality from any of the cameras you buy online. I'd say, like lots of products, most are lies.

Like yourself, I'm not overly interested in getting faces. Even a half-hearted, braindead child of a thief knows that a hoodie and scarf means the Gardai can't do anything about it, but you'll probably/hopefully get help elsewhere to figure out the culprit (one of the few uses I've seen of Facebook).

My cameras are 1mp, which, as a photographer shooting with a 18mp sensor, sounds miserable. But it's actually grand. Maybe I just don't expect much, but I paid ~€165 for my set up which has 4 cameras and a relatively easy set up, and i can make out what's on the screen at night, so I'm a happy camper.

They don't have a very wide field of view, but I can live with that.

rocky · 02-11-2017 9:39pm

Here are a couple snapshots taken around the same time, front Kare camera, rear Dahua. For the front (720p) I would like some extra FOV to get more of the sidewalk and left-hand side in the picture, plus the night vision is what it is.

On the Dahua I'm still playing with the settings (not sure I can adjust gain etc), but in what looks to me like a dark garden, it sees in color even - and it's not a Starlight camera which are double/triple the price. Also keep in mind the Dahua is downscaled from 1080p to 720p otherwise the Kare NVR wouldn't be able to record the stream.

PS - both timestamps are off by 1 hour with the DST changes, front is 1 hour behind, rear is 1 hour ahead. They were taken around the same time

Sam Quentin · 04-11-2017 3:15am

That night vision is quite good @KKV

04-11-2017 6:23pm

Folks, I'm probably a bit slow here. But what's the craic with wiring the DVR to my router with an ethernet cable? What's the benefit of that?

I was just about to buy the cable on eBay and realised I have the cameras working, and i can download footage off it without the ethernet cable involved? Am I overlooking something obvious?

Sam Quentin · 04-11-2017 6:31pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Folks, I'm probably a bit slow here. But what's the craic with wiring the DVR to my router with an ethernet cable? What's the benefit of that?

I was just about to buy the cable on eBay and realised I have the cameras working, and i can download footage off it without the ethernet cable involved? Am I overlooking something obvious?

Then you will be able to download a specific app to your phone and view anywhere in the WORLD

Your dvr basically goes online.. Specific to your devices..
There would be some security concerns, but the experts will explain those to you, and how to avoid those issues.
EXPERTS EXPERTS WHERE ARE YOU?

04-11-2017 7:08pm

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Then you will be able to download a specific app to your phone and view anywhere in the WORLD
Your dvr basically goes online.. Specific to your devices..
There would be some security concerns, but the experts will explain those to you, and how to avoid those issues.
EXPERTS EXPERTS WHERE ARE YOU?

Ah okay.. I actually forgot all about the smart phone aspect to these systems. I must get it sorted to be able to do that.

I'm not too worried about security concerns (presumably the concerns are that other people might be able to view my footage? But I doubt the average would-be criminals would be that intelligent).

Sam Quentin · 04-11-2017 9:37pm

How did you download the footage from your dvr, did you just insert a usb stick in rear port??

05-11-2017 12:15am

Sam Quentin wrote: »

How did you download the footage from your dvr, did you just insert a usb stick in rear port??

Yeah. Well, i stuck an external HDD in, but it was via a USB port on the back of the DVR.

I only had 2 cameras running, and I recorded the footage there and then, so it was easy.

I'm not sure how tricky it might be with 4 cameras going and trying to actually find the footage in the first place (ie; if you get broke into overnight, scouring through all the footage to get the footage you want might be time consuming) but i presume this is the same as most systems.

I think there is an option to only have the cameras record when they actually sense movement, but I rarely trust this kinda system, so.. i'd rather leave mine on all the time, given the choice. (though I'm unsure how many hours of footage i can actually store if i have all 4 cams going at the same time on a constant basis).

alta stare · 05-11-2017 12:33am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yeah. Well, i stuck an external HDD in, but it was via a USB port on the back of the DVR.

I only had 2 cameras running, and I recorded the footage there and then, so it was easy.

I'm not sure how tricky it might be with 4 cameras going and trying to actually find the footage in the first place (ie; if you get broke into overnight, scouring through all the footage to get the footage you want might be time consuming) but i presume this is the same as most systems.

I think there is an option to only have the cameras record when they actually sense movement, but I rarely trust this kinda system, so.. i'd rather leave mine on all the time, given the choice. (though I'm unsure how many hours of footage i can actually store if i have all 4 cams going at the same time on a constant basis).

Have a look at the playback settings there may be an option for smart playback. It would skip non events which saves alot of time when searching for what you require.

logistic · 05-11-2017 12:36am

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah. Well, i stuck an external HDD in, but it was via a USB port on the back of the DVR.

I only had 2 cameras running, and I recorded the footage there and then, so it was easy.

I'm not sure how tricky it might be with 4 cameras going and trying to actually find the footage in the first place (ie; if you get broke into overnight, scouring through all the footage to get the footage you want might be time consuming) but i presume this is the same as most systems.

I think there is an option to only have the cameras record when they actually sense movement, but I rarely trust this kinda system, so.. i'd rather leave mine on all the time, given the choice. (though I'm unsure how many hours of footage i can actually store if i have all 4 cams going at the same time on a constant basis).

What about the monitoring aspect. If you have your cameras set on motion recording you can have notifications sent to you via the app (I presume the app/dvr can do this?) or email. Do you not want to proactively monitor for a potential break-ins etc? You will need your DVR connected to your router for this.

Sam Quentin · 05-11-2017 3:28am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yeah. Well, i stuck an external HDD in, but it was via a USB port on the back of the DVR.

I only had 2 cameras running, and I recorded the footage there and then, so it was easy.

I'm not sure how tricky it might be with 4 cameras going and trying to actually find the footage in the first place (ie; if you get broke into overnight, scouring through all the footage to get the footage you want might be time consuming) but i presume this is the same as most systems.

I think there is an option to only have the cameras record when they actually sense movement, but I rarely trust this kinda system, so.. i'd rather leave mine on all the time, given the choice. (though I'm unsure how many hours of footage i can actually store if i have all 4 cams going at the same time on a constant basis).

There's a couple of great tutorials on youtube, looks quite easy to find an exact date and time.. Also I screenshot'd a chart with 1Tb footage hrs. 2Tb footage hrs etc etc.. I'm at work at the min, so I'll search for it later...

https://www.security-camera-warehouse.com/cctv-record-time-calculator.php

Bored Accountant · 07-11-2017 12:20pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I think there is an option to only have the cameras record when they actually sense movement, but I rarely trust this kinda system, so.. i'd rather leave mine on all the time, given the choice. (though I'm unsure how many hours of footage i can actually store if i have all 4 cams going at the same time on a constant basis).

I bought this one last year;
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01FU7ICEI/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I have 4 cameras running, recording 24 hours a day and with 1TB storage, it keeps about 8 days I think. I have it set so it 'alarms' when it senses movement. just means during playback, you can see on the timeline when movement was detected. but I have a dog, and the trees move in the wind, and the sun going in and out behind the clouds trigger the motion sensor because the shade moves across the picture.
But because you can select on the timeline, what to view, it does narrow down having to go through 24 hours on playback.

alta stare · 07-11-2017 7:31pm

Bored Accountant wrote: »

I bought this one last year;
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01FU7ICEI/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I have 4 cameras running, recording 24 hours a day and with 1TB storage, it keeps about 8 days I think. I have it set so it 'alarms' when it senses movement. just means during playback, you can see on the timeline when movement was detected. but I have a dog, and the trees move in the wind, and the sun going in and out behind the clouds trigger the motion sensor because the shade moves across the picture.
But because you can select on the timeline, what to view, it does narrow down having to go through 24 hours on playback.

8 days on a tbhd???? Thats low.

Sam Quentin · 07-11-2017 8:23pm

alta stare wrote: »

8 days on a tbhd???? Thats low.

I kinda came up with similar for my 1Tb.
It has to do with fps(frames per second)and stuff

alta stare · 07-11-2017 11:32pm

Sam Quentin wrote: »

I kinda came up with similar for my 1Tb.
It has to do with fps(frames per second)and stuff

Ah yeah i know what fps is im surprised the days recorded are that low. Surely ye havent got the DVR recording continuously on full frame rates and high resolutions?

altor · 07-11-2017 11:36pm

Sam Quentin wrote: »

I kinda came up with similar for my 1Tb.
It has to do with fps(frames per second)and stuff

Its better to have the frame rates higher than low same with the quility.
2 weeks of crap or one week of good.
I know which Id choose

alta stare · 07-11-2017 11:41pm

altor wrote: »

Its better to have the frame rates higher than low same with the quility.
2 weeks of crap or one week of good.
I know which Id choose

I would have it set up to record at a decent fps on continuous and high fps for motion or event. Doing that creates more days on the schedule.

altor · 07-11-2017 11:44pm

alta stare wrote: »

I would have it set up to record at a decent fps on continuous and high fps for motion or event. Doing that creates more days on the schedule.

Id just spec a HDD to suffice on the job.

alta stare · 07-11-2017 11:48pm

altor wrote: »

Id just spec a HDD to suffice on the job.

Of course if that was an option then it would make sense but sometimes for people it isnt an option so therefore having it set up correctly can be beneficial in gaining more days in the recording schedule.

altor · 07-11-2017 11:55pm

alta stare wrote: »

Of course if that was an option then it would make sense but sometimes for people it isnt an option so therefore having it set up correctly can be beneficial in gaining more days in the recording schedule.

If your selling a new unit then most will go for the bigger drive once explained.
Each to there own I suppose.

alta stare · 08-11-2017 12:03am

altor wrote: »

If your selling a new unit then most will go for the bigger drive once explained.
Each to there own I suppose.

Again yes if that is an option for whoever is buying at the time, and as you know surveillance drives arent cheap so i would say the average domestic cctv system wont want to go above 1tb due to funds.

The post i quoted mentioned having a 1 tbhd and i still believe (and have set up) adjusting a few things can extend the amount of recording days.

altor · 08-11-2017 12:06am

alta stare wrote: »

Again yes if that is an option for whoever is buying at the time, and as you know surveillance drives arent cheap so i would say the average domestic cctv system wont want to go above 1tb due to funds.

The post i quoted mentioned having a 1 tbhd and i am still believe (and have set up) adjusting a few things can extend the amount of recording days.

You would be surprised at the price of a 2TB surveillance drive with a 4 channel HD dvr then.

Anyway, that my opinion.

alta stare · 08-11-2017 12:15am

altor wrote: »

You would be surprised at the price of a 2TB surveillance drive with a 4 channel HD dvr then.

Anyway, that my opinion.

I know what they cost i install them almost every day.

Anyway not to go back and forth all my point is this,

if a person is spending money and has a budget of say 50 euro but they have been told they could get an add on for 80 euro but dont really need said add on then i bet they just go and spend the 50 and keep the 30 for something nice

altor · 08-11-2017 12:22am

alta stare wrote: »

I know what they cost i install them almost every day.

Anyway not to go back and forth all my point is this,

if a person is spending money and has a budget of say 50 euro but they have been told they could get an add on for 80 euro but dont really need said add on then i bet they just go and spend the 50 and keep the 30 for something nice

Sounds like good value to me.

alta stare · 08-11-2017 12:25am

altor wrote: »

Sounds like good value to me.

To you maybe but are you always that presumptuous toward what a potential customer may think?

altor · 08-11-2017 12:37am

alta stare wrote: »

To you maybe but are you always that presumptuous toward what a potential customer may think?

Presumptuous

Like I said, each to there own.

alta stare · 08-11-2017 12:49am

altor wrote: »

Presumptuous

Like I said, each to there own.

Yep presumptuous, such a good word.

altor · 08-11-2017 12:52am

alta stare wrote: »

Yep presumptuous, such a good word.

It sure is

alta stare · 08-11-2017 12:56am

altor wrote: »

It sure is

Maybe we could do a word of the day sub thread on the Home Security Systems thread it might lighten the place up a bit. There is so much bickering going on, sometimes its better to sit back and watch it all unfold.....probably the reason why i barely post here

altor · 08-11-2017 1:01am

alta stare wrote: »

Maybe we could do a word of the day sub thread on the Home Security Systems thread it might lighten the place up a bit. There is so much bickering going on, sometimes its better to sit back and watch it all unfold.....probably the reason why i barely post here

Or just except some one else has a different opinion.
That's where most of it comes from.

deckie27 · 08-11-2017 1:06am

Hi Lads

Being doing alot of reading came with list below to start a self install

Thinking of the items below

nvr 4108 aliexpress 123 dollar
hdd 4tb wd purple 119 stg
camera dahua IPC-HDW5231R-Z 170 dollar
poe switch 8 ports. not settled 100ish euro

apart from a bit of cat5 and a few connectors a holder for camera am I missing anything

Going for a variable lens for a start to learn and figure out what lens I want then get a few more fixed lens HDW4231EM-ASE

Am I missing anything?

Thanks

alta stare · 08-11-2017 1:11am

altor wrote: »

Or just except some one else has a different opinion.
That's where most of it comes from.

Indeed to a certain extent before it goes back and forth between the usual culprits. Oh look we are doing it now....kind of.......surely there is a common denominator in all these derailed threads

altor · 08-11-2017 1:18am

alta stare wrote: »

Indeed to a certain extent before it goes back and forth between the usual culprits. Oh look we are doing it now....kind of.......surely there is a common denominator in all these derailed threads

There sure is and it's call an opinion.
Right or wrong we are all entitled to have one.

altor · 08-11-2017 1:24am

deckie27 wrote: »

Hi Lads

Being doing alot of reading came with list below to start a self install

Thinking of the items below

nvr 4108 aliexpress 123 dollar
hdd 4tb wd purple 119 stg
camera dahua IPC-HDW5231R-Z 170 dollar
poe switch 8 ports. not settled 100ish euro

apart from a bit of cat5 and a few connectors a holder for camera am I missing anything

Going for a variable lens for a start to learn and figure out what lens I want then get a few more fixed lens HDW4231EM-ASE

Am I missing anything?

Thanks

If your going to spend all that money I'd buy it in a wholesalers here.
If you have any issues it easier to return.
From your list you seem to have everything covered apart from a monitor.

Have a look on YouTube, they have loads of good videos which cover different type cameres and the different lens available.
Might give you a better insight before you do buy.

alta stare · 08-11-2017 1:26am

altor wrote: »

There sure is and it's call an opinion.
Right or wrong we are all entitled to have one.

such a philosopher, fair play.

altor · 08-11-2017 1:30am

alta stare wrote: »

such a philosopher, fair play.

Are you looking to become one of these usual suspects you talk of

:D

alta stare · 08-11-2017 8:54am

altor wrote: »

Are you looking to become one of these usual suspects you talk of :D

No definitely not i dont have time nor the interest to argue all the time with strangers on the internet. You must admit tho it is a pity the arguing/point scoring happens too much it can take away from the good side of the forum, sometimes this place is like the soccer forum

rocky · 08-11-2017 11:37am

deckie27 wrote: »

Hi Lads

Being doing alot of reading came with list below to start a self install

Thinking of the items below

nvr 4108 aliexpress 123 dollar
hdd 4tb wd purple 119 stg
camera dahua IPC-HDW5231R-Z 170 dollar
poe switch 8 ports. not settled 100ish euro

apart from a bit of cat5 and a few connectors a holder for camera am I missing anything

Going for a variable lens for a start to learn and figure out what lens I want then get a few more fixed lens HDW4231EM-ASE

Am I missing anything?

Thanks

That's the NVR I plan to get, I think it's already PoE (or make sure you get the PoE version) so you don't need the switch, cameras connect straight into the NVR.

rocky · 08-11-2017 3:14pm

Looking some more into this NVR, most pictures have it with 1 Ethernet port, this will presumably need the switch you outlined, but this link shows it with 4 Ethernet ports but no Dahua Logo on the actual product (except the stock first image)

alta stare · 08-11-2017 3:20pm

rocky wrote: »

That's the NVR I plan to get, I think it's already PoE (or make sure you get the PoE version) so you don't need the switch, cameras connect straight into the NVR.

Could also use the switch for poe and just send one link cable back to the dvr from the switch, saves having to wire all cables back to the dvr.

rocky · 08-11-2017 4:05pm

alta stare wrote: »

Could also use the switch for poe and just send one link cable back to the dvr from the switch, saves having to wire all cables back to the dvr.

Makes sense if the switch is in a different location to the NVR (e.g. in the attic), but - as in my case - cables already come from the cameras to a central location near the cable modem and NVR, I'll try make sure the NVR I get is PoE enabled and has the ports.

On the official Dahua wesite specifications for NVR4108/4116-8P mentions "PoE: 8 ports (IEEE802.3at/af)" and drawings also show 8 PoE ports

So I guess there's various versions, maybe Chinese-market specific that are flashed with English firmware, "Mini" seems to be the one that has only 1 port and needs an additional switch - they have to cut costs somewhere to offer it cheaper.

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