Supplements increasing by 23% on Nov 1st

zell12 · 08-02-2019 2:51pm #1

Stock Up!

Government increasing vat on all vitamins, minerals & food supplements from 0% to 23% on 01 March
cod liver oil, vitamins, folic aid, sports nutrition etc etc

Save 23% by buying now

08-02-2019 3:00pm

Feck. Stupid move by the government to tax health stuff.
I don't use them much but I'm getting the urge to stock up anyway!

The Caveman · 08-02-2019 3:48pm

I buy all my stuff from abroad anyway, so no real loss to me.

zell12 · 08-02-2019 3:49pm

The Caveman wrote: »

I buy all my stuff from abroad anyway, so no real loss to me.

Well they'll have to charge Irish vat

Soarer · 08-02-2019 3:50pm

zell12 wrote: »

Well they'll have to charge Irish vat

Don't think they will.

If you buy from France, you pay the VAT in France.

The Caveman · 08-02-2019 3:50pm

parcel model.

zell12 · 08-02-2019 3:51pm

Soarer wrote: »

Don't think they will.
If you buy from France, you pay the VAT in France.

Nope, they have to pay destination country tax.
Hence why you pay 23% vat on Amazon purchases

Cerco · 08-02-2019 3:52pm

First of many increases to pay for Children’s Hospital screwup!

GerardKeating · 08-02-2019 3:56pm

zell12 wrote: »

Nope, they have to pay destination country tax.
Hence why you pay 23% vat on Amazon purchases

Only if the seller is over a certain treshold.

QuadaLumpins · 08-02-2019 4:17pm

Soarer wrote: »

Don't think they will.

If you buy from France, you pay the VAT in France.

Not exactly correct.

If you buy in France you pay the French VAT.

If you buy from France it'll be Irish VAT.

L1011 · 08-02-2019 4:21pm

QuadaLumpins wrote: »

Not exactly correct.

If you buy in France you pay the French VAT.

If you buy from France it'll be Irish VAT.

Unless the retailer sells very little to Ireland, in which case the are not required to register and will charge French VAT.

The lowest French VAT rate is 2.1% (not a typo) anyway so it's actually possible that they would deliberately register for Irish VAT to sell at 0%

utyh2ikcq9z76b · 08-02-2019 4:49pm

I can see cars being stopped at the hard border full of supps

stevek93 · 08-02-2019 4:52pm

Will this be included?

https://www.avogel.ie/herbal-remedies/echinacea-echinaforce/

Witcher · 08-02-2019 4:53pm

Reina Drab Balcony wrote: »

I can see cars being stopped at the hard border full of supps

Lads'll be rubbing whey powder into their gums going 'it's pure'

Former Former · 08-02-2019 5:02pm

123654789 wrote: »

Feck. Stupid move by the government to tax health stuff.
I don't use them much but I'm getting the urge to stock up anyway!

I think Revenue's point is that much of this stuff isn't really 'health stuff' anyway.

Vitamins which are actually licensed as medicines will continue to have zero vat

pissed · 08-02-2019 5:13pm

Was covered on Joe Duffy today .... but but but but

Mike3549 · 08-02-2019 6:40pm

zell12 wrote: »

Soarer wrote: »

Don't think they will.
If you buy from France, you pay the VAT in France.

Nope, they have to pay destination country tax.
Hence why you pay 23% vat on Amazon purchases

Amazon has irish vat no, thats why they charge 23%.
Im vat registered in ireland but if some frenchies buy from me, i charge 23% (unless they give me their vat no, then its 0%)

ted1 · 08-02-2019 7:34pm

123654789 wrote: »

Feck. Stupid move by the government to tax health stuff.
I don't use them much but I'm getting the urge to stock up anyway!

Most of it is pure nonsense and serves no purpose

ted1 · 08-02-2019 7:35pm

Soarer wrote: »

Don't think they will.

If you buy from France, you pay the VAT in France.

Is they sell over 75,000 euro into Ireland then they have to register here for VAT

rubadub · 08-02-2019 8:05pm

Witcher wrote: »

Lads'll be rubbing whey powder into their gums going 'it's pure'

whey powder with a photo of a muscly lad on the front is already 23% VAT, put a picture of a non musclar baker on the front and its zero rated. I find it odd no supp companies have taken advantage of this. Same with glucose, stock it in the energy drinks section with an image of an athlete 23%, stock it in the baking or baby food section just saying glucose powder, zero.

I presume this will still be the case when this vat change happens.

ted1 wrote: »

Is they sell over 75,000 euro into Ireland then they have to register here for VAT

I think it is 35,000. But I do see 75,000 mentioned

https://www.revenue.ie/en/vat/vat-registration/who-should-register-for-vat/what-are-the-vat-thresholds.aspx

Red Silurian · 08-02-2019 8:11pm

rubadub wrote: »

whey powder with a photo of a muscly lad on the front is already 23% VAT, put a picture of a non musclar baker on the front and its zero rated. I find it odd no supp companies have taken advantage of this. Same with glucose, stock it in the energy drinks section with an image of an athlete 23%, stock it in the baking or baby food section just saying glucose powder, zero.

I presume this will still be the case when this vat change happens.

I think it is 35,000. But I do see 75,000 mentioned

https://www.revenue.ie/en/vat/vat-registration/who-should-register-for-vat/what-are-the-vat-thresholds.aspx

35,000 products, 75,000 for services is the rule for registering for vat in this country so I presume that's where it comes from???

Either way the bargain has been lost

Little Less Conversation · 08-02-2019 8:15pm

I get very expensive vitamins. 40euro in fact. 23% on what I get is 9.20. Expensive and not sure I would spend 50 for a month's supply.

ted1 · 08-02-2019 9:19pm

Little Less Conversation wrote: »

I get very expensive vitamins. 40euro in fact. 23% on what I get is 9.20. Expensive and not sure I would spend 50 for a month's supply.

Do you actually need them ? You’d probably get the equivalent in naturally occurring food.

kneemos · 09-02-2019 3:20am

Folic acid for pregnant women and vitamin D in the winter.
The rest is fancy urine.

ted1 · 09-02-2019 6:51am

kneemos wrote: »

Folic acid for pregnant women and vitamin D in the winter.
The rest is fancy urine.

Foods that provide vitamin D include:

Fatty fish, like tuna, mackerel, and salmon
Foods fortified with vitamin D, like some dairy products, orange juice, soy milk, and cereals
Beef liver
Cheese
Egg yolks

The following foods can help you obtain your recommended amount of folic acid:

Leafy green vegetables, such as spinach
Citrus fruits, such as orange juice
Beans
Breads
Cereals
Rice
Pastas

ImARebel · 10-02-2019 8:50am

I see you say can help.. Not definitely will

For anyone selling/buying CBD it's a big one

And before you brand it snake oil like the lovely Leo did, maybe do a bit of research first...

Phoebas · 10-02-2019 9:23am

ImARebel wrote: »

I see you say can help.. Not definitely will

For anyone selling/buying CBD it's a big one

And before you brand it snake oil like the lovely Leo did, maybe do a bit of research first...

I just did a bit of research. Here's what the NHS say:

"Some products that might claim to be medical cannabis, such as "CBD oil" or hemp oil, are available to buy legally as food supplements from health stores. But there's no guarantee these are of good quality or provide any health benefits."

From the World Health Organisation:

"WHO does not recommend cannabidiol for medical use.'

Buyer beware.

ImARebel · 10-02-2019 9:29am

Is it not buyer beware with pretty much everything?

WADA on board with CBD and it's benefits

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/cannabis-oil-the-no-dope-secret-to-rugby-s-pain-relief-1.3787282?mode=amp

I still think it's wrong to treat it as a luxury item. For many kids with autism it's a life saver

Phoebas · 10-02-2019 9:39am

ImARebel wrote: »

Is it not buyer beware with pretty much everything?

WADA on board with CBD and it's benefits

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/cannabis-oil-the-no-dope-secret-to-rugby-s-pain-relief-1.3787282?mode=amp

I still think it's wrong to treat it as a luxury item. For many kids with autism it's a life saver

WADA are not on board with any 'benefits of CBD'.WADA are an anti-doping agency, not a health agency.
The fact that they don't ban it in no way endorses it for any health benefits.

There are certainly some individual studies (and lots of anecdotal evidence) for benefits of CBD, but not enough for the competent authorities (and that doesn't include WADA) to recommend it.

Like I say - buyer beware.

Former Former · 10-02-2019 10:20am

Any supplement that really cures diseases can get approval as a medicine and avail of the zero VAT rate.

I'm sure CBD has some benefits but from a quick search, it apparently works for epilepsy, autism, cancer, osteoporosis, arthritis, anxiety, heart disease, Alzheimer's and acne.

(Edit: in fact, combine CBD and any disease you can think of in a Google search. Give it a try.)

Anyone who believes it can do all these things is either incredibly naive or selling CBD. Unfortunately the latter is always good at seeking out the former.

So no, Revenue should not be subsidising this.

ImARebel · 10-02-2019 10:58am

Former Former wrote: »

Any supplement that really cures diseases can get approval as a medicine and avail of the zero VAT rate.

I'm sure CBD has some benefits but from a quick search, it apparently works for epilepsy, autism, cancer, osteoporosis, arthritis, anxiety, heart disease, Alzheimer's and acne.

(Edit: in fact, combine CBD and any disease you can think of in a Google search. Give it a try.)

Anyone who believes it can do all these things is either incredibly naive or selling CBD. Unfortunately the latter is always good at seeking out the former.

So no, Revenue should not be subsidising this.

I disagree my friend suffers from fibromyalgia and she'd given up all hope of anything other than than serious drugs to relieve her symptoms

She started on CBD and has never looked back, she's like a new person when her doctor couldn't believe the improvement and he said to continue taking it, and he was sceptical when she approached him first and he was basically saying its your money to waste.

So to say it's got no health benefits is just plain wrong

Anyway I know ye will all lynch me for the above saying its horse ****... But it's not.

scamalert · 10-02-2019 1:58pm

ImARebel wrote: »

I disagree my friend suffers from fibromyalgia and she'd given up all hope of anything other than than serious drugs to relieve her symptoms

She started on CBD and has never looked back, she's like a new person when her doctor couldn't believe the improvement and he said to continue taking it, and he was sceptical when she approached him first and he was basically saying its your money to waste.

So to say it's got no health benefits is just plain wrong

Anyway I know ye will all lynch me for the above saying its horse ****... But it's not.

unless it has some thc in it cbd itself is rubbish hype placebo effects at best.

Bobeagleburger · 10-02-2019 2:26pm

The vast vast majority of people that take vitamins don't even need them.

scamalert · 10-02-2019 2:36pm

OmegaGene wrote: »

Agreed, my 73 year old father in law was spending a fortune on vitamins as advised by his local pharmacy, he was asked to bring all his medicines into hospital before a procedure and the consultant told him he was pi55ing money away literally as your body can only absorb so much and he should spend his money on a health diet instead

lol this reminds me times ive taken vit b supplements, youd think you had chemo when pissing orange rainbows.

correct on that body only can take certain amounts rest goes out.

Keplar240B · 10-02-2019 3:00pm

kneemos wrote: »

Folic acid for pregnant women and vitamin D in the winter.
The rest is fancy urine.

Some extra vitamin C is handy for if you sick or wounded or inflamed,
that said you can get it from foods as well the Kiwi fruit for example

Asus X540L · 11-02-2019 10:40pm

Will this affect iHerb?

Asus X540L · 14-02-2019 4:37pm

OmegaGene wrote: »

It won’t affect oregano

Shut your hole

Peter File · 24-02-2019 2:44pm

Just a few days left to beat the 23% price increase

utyh2ikcq9z76b · 24-02-2019 3:16pm

Keplar240B wrote: »

Some extra vitamin C is handy for if you sick or wounded or inflamed,
that said you can get it from foods as well the Kiwi fruit for example

Good if your going on a long boat journey as well

Asus X540L · 24-02-2019 3:33pm

Reina Drab Balcony wrote: »

Good if your going on a long boat journey as well

Lol or you could just squeeze lime juice into the grog

JTMan · 24-02-2019 5:14pm

kneemos wrote: »

Folic acid for pregnant women

No! If one starts taking folic acid when they are pregnant, they miss the most of the critical period where the woman needs to be on folic acid to reduce the risk of birth defects. The medical advice is that all women, of childbearing age, should take 400 mcg daily whether planning a pregnancy or not. More here.

ted1 wrote: »

The following foods can help you obtain your recommended amount of folic acid:

The overwhelming number of womans diets do not contain enough folic acid through diet alone. The amount of veg that one would need to eat to get 400 mcg of folic acid per day is huge.

The reality is that supplementation is the only realistic way to get 400 mcg per day of folic acid. It is outrageous that a 23% price hike on such an important supplement, to prevent birth defects, is going to occur from Friday. Folic acid should be zero rated or exempt.

vargoo · 24-02-2019 6:31pm

men should take folic aswell, not just women

oopsies · 25-02-2019 1:51pm

Its easy to say yes you can get plenty of vitamins from your diet but in reality the quality of our fruit and vegetables, fish etc is depleting. Biodiversity loss and poorer soil quality are having and will continue to have huge effects on the quality of nutrition taken from foods. In addition, most people don't hit their RDA for anything so supplementation makes sense.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2214109X17301286

Anyway, not really related to bargain alerts but yes... stock up!!

Bigmac1euro · 25-02-2019 2:12pm

Can anyone recommend a decent place to buy CBD oil for reasonable value ?
I had been getting it from Holland and Barrett but its 40 odd quid for a tiny bottle.

vargoo · 25-02-2019 2:15pm

Bigmac1euro wrote: »

Can anyone recommend a decent place to buy CBD oil for reasonable value ?
I had been getting it from Holland and Barrett but its 40 odd quid for a tiny bottle.

What % is it for what size? Lab tested?

Link?

JJayoo · 25-02-2019 10:38pm

I think the H+B CBD is piss like actual piss

cormie · 26-02-2019 3:03am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG6BIPongBo

seefin · 26-02-2019 5:39pm

So supplements like protein powders from bulkpowders will also increase by 23% on Friday?

clevtrev · 26-02-2019 6:37pm

THE VAT ON food supplements will remain unchanged until 1 November 2019, it has been confirmed.

https://www.thejournal.ie/vat-on-vitamins-and-minerals-4514444-Feb2019/

cronos · 26-02-2019 6:43pm

I'm dieting to drop some weight and doing a good bit of exercise including weights/situps etc...

Wondering if there's anything worth getting. Currently not taking anything in terms of Protein etc...

seefin · 26-02-2019 6:58pm

clevtrev wrote:

THE VAT ON food supplements will remain unchanged until 1 November 2019, it has been confirmed.

Goddammit just ordered a load of stuff . I'd better not die for the next year or total waste!

Supplements increasing by 23% on Nov 1st

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