2019 All Ireland Senior Football Championship Mod note: Post #1

ArnoldJRimmer · 19-05-2019 5:55pm

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

He's had more talent than a lot of managers. A lot of managers who wouldn't have lasted half the time with a record like his.

Disagree given how far Armagh had fallen down the pecking order when he took over. He's been a disaster in Ulster, but a respectable record in the qualifiers has probably kept him in the job until now. A loss today though, and it would be very difficult to see him staying beyond this year, bar the unlikely scenario where they make the Super 8's

19-05-2019 6:27pm

Armagh win after extra time. 2-17 to 3-13. Deferred coverage on bbc 2 ni at 7pm.

theoneeyedman · 19-05-2019 6:44pm

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

He's stealing a living in that job so maybe the best thing for them in the long run would be a loss and him getting the road.

I'm not up with the Armagh standard at present, but it must be said Kildare still haven't recovered to the level he had them at, and there was many running down his record with them.

OldMrBrennan83 · 19-05-2019 7:41pm

That Down red was ridiculous.

ArielAtom · 19-05-2019 8:24pm

12 week ban for McGeeney after his shyte on full time😂😂😂😂😂

jr86 · 19-05-2019 8:36pm

Why is everyone writing off Monaghan so easily? Social Media/message forums don't be half full of recency effect!

Be worth looking at last year's thread to see the reaction after the Fermanagh game. Very similar I'm guessing

Interestingly in the last 3 years, the All Ireland finalists (except Dublin) all lost in their own province before the final. And Monaghan themselves weren't far away last year.

I wouldn't be writing anyone's obituary until they're actually eliminated

C__MC · 19-05-2019 9:16pm

jr86 wrote: »

Why is everyone writing off Monaghan so easily? Social Media/message forums don't be half full of recency effect!

Be worth looking at last year's thread to see the reaction after the Fermanagh game. Very similar I'm guessing

Interestingly in the last 3 years, the All Ireland finalists (except Dublin) all lost in their own province before the final. And Monaghan themselves weren't far away last year.

I wouldn't be writing anyone's obituary until they're actually eliminated

The problem is what Monaghan will show up. They are very inconsistent. A game v Derry, down or even tipp is a tough draw for them. They have injuries and a lot of there bigger players have played 5 straight years of division 1 straight through to championship. Very hard to sustain that.

Yet a kind draw like last year could rejuvenate them. It allowed them rotate the panel for 3 games and they got there shot in the super eights as they where fresh

jr86 · 19-05-2019 9:26pm

C__MC wrote: »

The problem is what Monaghan will show up. They are very inconsistent. A game v Derry, down or even tipp is a tough draw for them. They have injuries and a lot of there bigger players have played 5 straight years of division 1 straight through to championship. Very hard to sustain that.

Yet a kind draw like last year could rejuvenate them. It allowed them rotate the panel for 3 games and they got there shot in the super eights as they where fresh

I'd fancy monaghan to beat all of those extremely comfortably.

Breffni Park for a championship game on a Saturday evening is never the easiest place to go. Lest we forget Cavan were a division 1 side this year, and they were there only 2 years ago also.

Consey · 19-05-2019 9:42pm

C__MC wrote: »

Cavan done well tonight but Monaghan’s consistency under o rourke has been dire. Tyrone or donegal would not have slipped up tonight. For a small county like Monaghan, for all their effort since they revived in 2005 and since o rourke took them over, all Ireland final appearance would have been great for them. Of course Dublin would have won. It’s the beginning of the end for Monaghan, the spine of their team is 30
Plus. They’ll remain competitive no doubt but will gradually float away. Cavan were full value tonight but I wouldn’t be getting carried away. Good luck to them

I fancy Galway and Armagh tomorrow

Yep, awful consistency making the last 8 for 5 of the last 6 years.

blowitupref · 19-05-2019 9:44pm

After getting beaten by Fermanagh last year i think Monaghan got all Div 4 sides in the qualifiers to reach the last 8 i doubt they will be that lucky again. Will be plenty of Div 2,3 teams looking to take the Monaghan scalp so they need to recover fully from that earlier than expected Ulster championship exit.

nice_guy80 · 19-05-2019 9:54pm

Monaghan beat 4 division 4 teams to make the last 8 in 2018.
Let's see how they do vs a division 2 or 3 team

theoneeyedman · 19-05-2019 10:50pm

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

That Down red was ridiculous.

Red card all day long, shoulder/forearm/elbow to the head.
Looked a good game that, nice of RTE to show a bit of it anyway. Tough Ulster Derby, good scores too. I watched the Cavan/Monaghan game, very enjoyable too.
Fairly rich having Kevin McStay commentating on McGeeney"s behaviour on the pitch, remind me, who was the intercounty referee who was sent off and suspended last year for his on-field behaviour?

Say Your Number · 19-05-2019 10:52pm

Some pass by Martin Reilly in that game.

gormdubhgorm · 19-05-2019 11:05pm

Am I the only one who found Kevin McStay's short-long-medium kick graphic hilarious?
It was like something from Father Ted.

"If you kick it short you will win it every-time.
If you kick it longer you have more chance of losing it"

(It was put in during the Cavan-Monaghan game discussion on 'The Sunday Game')

J Cheever Loophole · 20-05-2019 12:46am

theoneeyedman wrote: »

Fairly rich having Kevin McStay commentating on McGeeney"s behaviour on the pitch, remind me, who was the intercounty referee who was sent off and suspended last year for his on-field behaviour?

To be fair to the fella, he did make a reference to that as he talked about Geezer, saying something along the lines of (and I'm paraphrasing here) "I know how hard it is to keep the emotions in check".

windy shepard henderson · 20-05-2019 3:37am

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Am I the only one who found Kevin McStay's short-long-medium kick graphic hilarious?
It was like something from Father Ted.

"If you kick it short you will win it every-time.
If you kick it longer you have more chance of losing it"

(It was put in during the Cavan-Monaghan game discussion on 'The Sunday Game')

it was no worse then sean kavanagh's who taught a push in the back should not be called a penalty because the player in possession was just about to fall over and lose possession

or how a forearm into the side of the head is not a sending off because the player receiving the blow slipped sightly before receiving the blow

the biggest problem at the moment in the gaa in my opinion is teaching people whats a foul nd what is not both ref's got the big calls right over the weekend and deserve to be praised not criticized

mcstay did highlight this infairness despite his bizarre rant about kick outs which was more important analisis in my opinion

robbiezero · 20-05-2019 9:52am

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Am I the only one who found Kevin McStay's short-long-medium kick graphic hilarious?
It was like something from Father Ted.

"If you kick it short you will win it every-time.
If you kick it longer you have more chance of losing it"

(It was put in during the Cavan-Monaghan game discussion on 'The Sunday Game')

Yep found it bizarre also. He seems to think modern day goalkeeping is a recent phenomena that viewers are not familiar with.
I remember some odd analysis from him last year on "the goalkeeping debate" on whether your goalie should be a shot stopper or kick out expert which I though was strange, your modern day inter-county goalkeeper needs to be proficient at both.

theoneeyedman · 20-05-2019 10:09am

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

it was no worse then sean kavanagh's who taught a push in the back should not be called a penalty because the player in possession was just about to fall over and lose possession

or how a forearm into the side of the head is not a sending off because the player receiving the blow slipped sightly before receiving the blow

the biggest problem at the moment in the gaa in my opinion is teaching people whats a foul nd what is not both ref's got the big calls right over the weekend and deserve to be praised not criticized

mcstay did highlight this infairness despite his bizarre rant about kick outs which was more important analisis in my opinion

Hard to take cavanagh seriously, a great player in his day, but doesn't come across as a deep thinker,adds nothing to the debate. His calls for these fouls was crazy stuff.
Standard of analysis is poor.

ProudDUB · 20-05-2019 1:08pm

Agreed. He is woeful. Mind you, he only has one full year as a pundit under his belt, so maybe we should cut him some slack, as he has to learn (like they all do) what he can get away with saying live on air, that won't get him lynched when he goes home.

In general, I find the the bigger the name, the worse the punditry. Dull, predictible and bland. Sheflin, Cooper, Cavanagh.. none of them are anything to write home about, compared to some of their own team mates who may not have been as big a superstar in their playing days, but are more able and willing to give insighful, and honest analysis when they have retired.

grbear · 20-05-2019 1:35pm

The "analysis" of the Sligo-Galway game was woeful. There was only three games in total, with two games on Sunday and they kicked off at different times so the panel should have been able to see both games unlike last week for instance where there was 6 or 7 matches to get through. We got the latest episode of McStays new feature "Goalies, get back in yer box" (was the Roscommon goalie a woeful git to deal with or something, McStay has a returned with an axe to grind this year) and another call for restructuring, both of which could have been pre-recorded for all the value they added.

I accept that the Sligo-Galway game was poor and deserved to get the least time of the football matches but there wasn't even a single line of analysis that suggested that either panellist had actually watched the bloody thing.

gormdubhgorm · 20-05-2019 8:10pm

theoneeyedman wrote: »

Hard to take cavanagh seriously, a great player in his day, but doesn't come across as a deep thinker,adds nothing to the debate. His calls for these fouls was crazy stuff.
Standard of analysis is poor.

Cavanagh did not do well there I agree.

ProudDUB wrote: »

Agreed. He is woeful. Mind you, he only has one full year as a pundit under his belt, so maybe we should cut him some slack, as he has to learn (like they all do) what he can get away with saying live on air, that won't get him lynched when he goes home.

But in fairness to Cavanagh didn't he critise Micky Harte/Tyrone last year?

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/cavanagh-unwise-to-be-sniping-from-the-sidelines-36940636.html

ProudDUB wrote: »

In general, I find the the bigger the name, the worse the punditry. Dull, predictible and bland. Sheflin, Cooper, Cavanagh.. none of them are anything to write home about, compared to some of their own team mates who may not have been as big a superstar in their playing days, but are more able and willing to give insighful, and honest analysis when they have retired.

I assume Tomas O'Se and Ciaran Whelan are exceptions to your rule?
Or does Whelan count as a big name?

grbear · 25-05-2019 7:43pm

Roscommon providing the definition of getting "stuck into them" so far. Hennelly will be having nightmares about that second goal.

Jeju · 25-05-2019 7:45pm

Roscommon have the wind in the second enjoyable game

Slattsy · 25-05-2019 8:40pm

No bottle in that Mayo team.

OldMrBrennan83 · 25-05-2019 8:42pm

Great stuff from Roscommon, would love to have seen it.

threeball · 25-05-2019 8:42pm

Useless forwards mayos undoing for the umpteenth time. Never convert more than 50% of their chances

The_Honeybadger · 25-05-2019 8:43pm

Great stuff from Roscommon with 14 men at the end that took real guts. Another trek through the qualifiers for mayo in 2019, they have the quality to come through it and I expect to see them in the Super 8’s

Farawayhome · 25-05-2019 8:43pm

Mayo to be booted to tier 2?

25-05-2019 8:46pm

Its just funny to see Mayo gone again.

Just for the simple fact that in all the previews only Dublin, Mayo, Kerry and Tyrone get a mention and IMO Galway are better than Mayo and we haven't a hope of beating Dublin.
All the talk was Mayo were the biggest contenders and it was baseless... their best players are all approaching retirement and their slip at underage is starting to affect their seniors.

Galway and Roscommon yet again... it wont be the occasion Galway and Mayo would have been but since theres so many Mayo people in Galway its embarrassing to play them here as we're basically outnumbered.

All the other matches today show how much of a joke the championship is now.
Cant even sell out a double header in Portlaois and in all the games where a clear divide existed, they ended up being Turkey shoots.

Thank God they restructured the hurling as that will be the pivotal factor in the football following suit.

ArnoldJRimmer · 25-05-2019 8:52pm

gilberto_eire wrote: »

Its just funny to see Mayo gone again.

Just for the simple fact that in all the previews only Dublin, Mayo, Kerry and Tyrone get a mention and IMO Galway are better than Mayo and we haven't a hope of beating Dublin.
All the talk was Mayo were the biggest contenders and it was baseless... their best players are all approaching retirement and their slip at underage is starting to affect their seniors.

Galway and Roscommon yet again... it wont be the occasion Galway and Mayo would have been but since theres so many Mayo people in Galway its embarrassing to play them there as we're basically outnumbered.

All the other matches today show how much of a joke the championship is now.
Cant even see out a double header in Port Laois and all games where a clear divide existed were Turkey shoots.

Thank God they restructured the hurling as that will be the pivotal factor in the football following suit.

There's already another thread on this, but funny how people ignore the relatively close encounters between D4 teams and those from a higher level in recent weeks, but perk up again when the two All Ireland finalists from last year flex their muscles today.

And if we were to listen to Joe Brolly, that result in Castlebar wouldnt have happened today. Since even Roscommon, as a Division One team, weren't worthy of a seat at the top table after their defeat by Tyrone last year

threeball · 25-05-2019 8:54pm

David Brady the Muppet saying if they didn't beat roscommon by 12 to 15pts they were wasting their time. He is right in a way but you can't say that the day before a match as an ex player. Connaught is always a dogfight.

Sultan of Bling · 25-05-2019 8:55pm

Farawayhome wrote:

Mayo to be booted to tier 2?

They might get their all Ireland then (well, an all Ireland

Slattsy · 25-05-2019 8:57pm

threeball wrote: »

David Brady the Muppet saying if they didn't beat roscommon by 12 to 15pts they were wasting their time. He is right in a way but you can't say that the day before a match as an ex player. Connaught is always a dogfight.

Did he actually say that?

Common knowledge he's a clown of the highest order but that's a serious shout even from him.

Slattsy · 25-05-2019 8:59pm

Donaghy hard to listen to on Sky. But an upgrade on Gooch on RTE. Decisions decisions.

gormdubhgorm · 25-05-2019 9:00pm

Slattsy wrote: »

Did he actually say that?

Common knowledge he's a clown of the highest order but that's a serious shout even from him.

OldMrBrennan83 · 25-05-2019 9:00pm

Slattsy wrote: »

Donaghy hard to listen to on Sky. But an upgrade on Gooch on RTE. Decisions decisions.

In fairness to Donaghy he called this one earlier in the week.

25-05-2019 9:00pm

ArnoldJRimmer wrote: »

There's already another thread on this, but funny how people ignore the relatively close encounters between D4 teams and those from a higher level in recent weeks, but perk up again when the two All Ireland finalists from last year flex their muscles today.

And if we were to listen to Joe Brolly, that result in Castlebar wouldnt have happened today. Since even Roscommon, as a Division One team, weren't worthy of a seat at the top table after their defeat by Tyrone last year

Realistically a three tier split isnt needed.
While the top D1 teams would be clipping the bottom few D2 teams consistently theres just too much a gap going two divisions down or up in any combination(D1 vs D3, D2 vs D4) for the most part.

Maybe they could look at splitting them into two divisions or 8 x 8.
Top 3 in the top tier and two teams from the bottom two go into the last 8 on a seeded basis.
That way at least the tier two arent shut out completely, the games are competitive for the most part and the tier two teams coming into it have a bit of form behind them.

OldMrBrennan83 · 25-05-2019 9:01pm

Slattsy wrote: »

Did he actually say that?

Common knowledge he's a clown of the highest order but that's a serious shout even from him.

Was definitely outed that time he had the pop at Gwedore too. An absolute bull**** merchant.

threeball · 25-05-2019 9:01pm

Slattsy wrote: »

Did he actually say that?

Common knowledge he's a clown of the highest order but that's a serious shout even from him.

On Matt Cooper last night. You could hear Senan Connell sniggering in the background as soon as it left his mouth.

Farawayhome · 25-05-2019 9:04pm

gilberto_eire wrote: »

Realistically a three tier split isnt needed.
While the top D1 teams would be clipping the bottom few D2 teams consistently theres just too much a gap going two divisions down or up in any combination(D1 vs D3, D2 vs D4) for the most part.

Maybe they could look at splitting them into two divisions or 8 x 8.
Top 3 in the top tier and two teams from the bottom two go into the last 8 on a seeded basis.
That way at least the tier two arent shut out completely, the games are competitive for the most part and the tier two teams coming into it have a bit of form behind them.

There's not that much between the bottom of division 1 and division 3 teams. The big gap is with the top teams. They're far ahead of everyone. Why that is needs to be looked at. The other counties shouldn't get punished for it.

threeball · 25-05-2019 9:05pm

gilberto_eire wrote: »

Realistically a three tier split isnt needed.
While the top D1 teams would be clipping the bottom few D2 teams consistently theres just too much a gap going two divisions down or up in any combination(D1 vs D3, D2 vs D4) for the most part.

Maybe they could look at splitting them into two divisions or 8 x 8.
Top 3 in the top tier and two teams from the bottom two go into the last 8 on a seeded basis.
That way at least the tier two arent shut out completely, the games are competitive for the most part and the tier two teams coming into it have a bit of form behind them.

The best an fairest way to do it is divide the league into 3 divisions. If you're in the top two you play in the all Ireland. Division 3 have a separate championship. That means even if you are division 3 at the start of the year you still have the chance to play in the all Ireland by getting promoted first. It's great preparation too.

Hulk Hands · 25-05-2019 9:06pm

Mayo will always have the league I suppose. Grown men crying in the stands. A league title and award for cringiest moment of the year, a solid innings in 2019

Utopia Parkway · 25-05-2019 9:07pm

threeball wrote: »

David Brady the Muppet saying if they didn't beat roscommon by 12 to 15pts they were wasting their time. He is right in a way but you can't say that the day before a match as an ex player. Connaught is always a dogfight.

Too much mouthing in the media. Maughan was at it as well. Practically wrote Anthony Cunningham's team talk for him.

gormdubhgorm · 25-05-2019 9:07pm

As a Dub supporter I am not too surprised with the Rossies beating Mayo.
Mayo were awful against Dublin in the league and thier scoring was atrocious
In the Hyde park Dublin were lucky get out of there with the win, terrible conditions..
Yer man Cox was great that day as well.
I remember saying to a Rossie supporter if they play like that they could win Connacht.

Anyway fair play to the Rossies.

threeball · 25-05-2019 9:09pm

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Too much mouthing in the media. Maughan was at it as well. Practically wrote Anthony Cunningham's team talk for him.

Too many mayo and Kerry pundits in the media in general. Completely disproportionate

ArnoldJRimmer · 25-05-2019 9:10pm

gilberto_eire wrote: »

Realistically a three tier split isnt needed.
While the top D1 teams would be clipping the bottom few D2 teams consistently theres just too much a gap going two divisions down or up in any combination(D1 vs D3, D2 vs D4) for the most part.

Maybe they could look at splitting them into two divisions or 8 x 8.
Top 3 in the top 2 in the top tier and two teams from the bottom two go into the last 8 on a seeded basis.
That way at least the tier two arent shut out completely, the games are competitive for the most part and the tier two teams coming into it have a bit of form behind them.

I won't speak too much about it since there's a separate thread, but I'd like to see the Jim McGuinness idea put in place where everyone gets one shot in their province, then two tiers kicks in depending on league position. Because realistically, Dublin are way out ahead on their own, there's about 5-6 teams the next level down who aren't immune to shocks (Tyrone could have lost to Meath last year), and then there's not a huge difference between the teams in D2, D3, and the top of D4.

Getting back to today, its amazing how the same pattern of a game has knocked out Mayo four years in a row. They get frustrated very easily, always make a defensive mistake or two, and when forced to shoot from difficult positions, are just not accurate enough

Hulk Hands · 25-05-2019 9:12pm

threeball wrote: »

Too many mayo and Kerry pundits in the media in general. Completely disproportionate

After the Galway Mayo game in the league, David Brady came on and said David Cunnane had an excellent game for Galway, kept Lee Keegan under wraps. Cunnane wasn't even in the panel, he was listed in the programme as no.26 but Shane Walsh wore it. Galways most distinctive and known player marking Mayo's best player, and Walsh got motm, and Brady thought it was the guy from the programme. And newstalk have kept using him after it

OldMrBrennan83 · 25-05-2019 9:16pm

Love to see Mayo draw Louth or Wicklow now just to see the GAA **** themselves about how much money they'll lose.

theoneeyedman · 25-05-2019 9:17pm

Farawayhome wrote: »

Mayo to be booted to tier 2?

They should restructure the Connacht championship at this stage, it's getting boring having the big 2 play each other in the final every year ðŸ˜‰

threeball · 25-05-2019 9:18pm

Hulk Hands wrote: »

After the Galway Mayo game in the league, David Brady came on and said David Cunnane had an excellent game for Galway, kept Lee Keegan under wraps. Cunnane wasn't even in the panel, he was listed in the programme as no.26 but Shane Walsh wore it. Galways most distinctive and known player marking Mayo's best player, and Walsh got motm, and Brady thought it was the guy from the programme. And newstalk have kept using him after it

Newstalk will never drop him as he's always great for a controversial quote. He always has something ridiculous to say like the time he lost his car after coming out of coppers.

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