Beef AI/Bulls MEGATHREAD

Never wrestle with pigs · 21-04-2019 6:42pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Dovea have a Limousin breeder working for them. He breeds good stock himself and I have a feeling he has a say in which bulls to buy. They have an impressive lineup of Limousin bulls now.

Ya they do. He breeds good stuff. It was his foreman they bought in roscrea last October and he looked better than the big money bull imo.

The Real Elmer Fudd · 21-04-2019 7:39pm

Has anyone kept eby heifers for breeding? Any thoughts on them?

fanmanad · 21-04-2019 8:34pm

The Real Elmer Fudd wrote: »

Has anyone kept eby heifers for breeding? Any thoughts on them?

Have one just calved a few days ago for the first time. Lots of milk and very quiet. She not very tall but is just 24 months

tanko · 21-04-2019 10:01pm

The Real Elmer Fudd wrote: »

Has anyone kept eby heifers for breeding? Any thoughts on them?

Had a bull and heifer off him last year, both very muscley and not too big, sold both of them.
Maybe im wrong but i wouldnt think he'd be the best bull to keep replacements off.
I'd rather something with more frame and milk in their breeding.

The Real Elmer Fudd · 22-04-2019 6:15pm

tanko wrote: »

Had a bull and heifer off him last year, both very muscley and not too big, sold both of them.
Maybe im wrong but i wouldnt think he'd be the best bull to keep replacements off.
I'd rather something with more frame and milk in their breeding.

I’ve two nice muscley eby heifers that I’m thinking of keeping. They are rated 123 and 155 on replacement index. They where out of first calved heifers last year. Their mothers are simx x lm2014. They should have enough milk going back the line, but frame would be the question mark.

furandfeather · 22-04-2019 8:48pm

Bigbird1 wrote: »

Anyone using Blonde bulls in Ai. Thinking of using them as an easy calving option instead of limousin.

I used silver wood mark from bova this year. I've only the one heifer of him but I like her a lot, I'll be keeping her for breeding

tanko · 26-04-2019 10:24am

The Real Elmer Fudd wrote: »

I’ve two nice muscley eby heifers that I’m thinking of keeping. They are rated 123 and 155 on replacement index. They where out of first calved heifers last year. Their mothers are simx x lm2014. They should have enough milk going back the line, but frame would be the question mark.

If you like them they could be worth a try. I have two ZAG heifers calved here this year, not the biggest and not too milky yet but their morhers hadn't too much either.
Do you reckon LM2014 would be a good bull to keep replacements off?

john mayo 10 · 26-04-2019 2:54pm

tanko wrote: »

If you like them they could be worth a try. I have two ZAG heifers calved here this year, not the biggest and not too milky yet but their morhers hadn't too much either.
Do you reckon LM2014 would be a good bull to keep replacements off?

A friend of mine has keep 2 CWI heifers as replacements. Serious heifers

patsy_mccabe · 27-04-2019 11:10am

High bike wrote: »

Did you say last year you had something to calve down to Lodge Hamlet Patsy, just wondering what they were like.Or anyone else with calves by him

Here's a pic of my Lodge Hamlet bull calf. About 10 days old now. Born smallish but already a bit of shape to him.

Hard Knocks · 27-04-2019 11:51am

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Here's a pic of my Lodge Hamlet bull calf. About 10 days old now. Born smallish but already a bit of shape to him.

Nice calf
Chatting a PB Breeder and he’s impressed with Hamlet too

High bike · 27-04-2019 12:46pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Here's a pic of my Lodge Hamlet bull calf. About 10 days old now. Born smallish but already a bit of shape to him.

nice square calf Patsy I hope my one keeps to him

RobinBanks · 28-04-2019 9:58am

Anyone ever use Glen Leon CH4158. Charolais bull from Dovea

Mac Taylor · 29-04-2019 7:52pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Here's a pic of my Lodge Hamlet bull calf. About 10 days old now. Born smallish but already a bit of shape to him.

PBR 4 week old...Lodge Hamlet...given the few pictures I've seen here and my own one and at 4.4% calving....I think I'll use him a bit more.

High bike · 29-04-2019 7:58pm

Mac Taylor wrote: »

PBR 4 week old...Lodge Hamlet...given the few pictures I've seen here and my own one and at 4.4% calving....I think I'll use him a bit more.

muscles little hoor,good front end on him too:D

patsy_mccabe · 29-04-2019 7:59pm

Mac Taylor wrote: »

PBR 4 week old...Lodge Hamlet...given the few pictures I've seen here and my own one and at 4.4% calving....I think I'll use him a bit more.

I wonder what the heifers would be like for breeding though. Touch of the Belgian Blue about him. Time will tell, I suppose.

GiantPencil · 29-04-2019 8:01pm

Saw on another thread that LM2014 Ewdenvale Ivor's days are done, hurted himself in the station supposedly....start stockpiling your straws now!!

Mac Taylor · 29-04-2019 8:03pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

I wonder what the heifers would be like for breeding though. Touch of the Belgian Blue about him. Time will tell, I suppose.

I say the cow would want to be milky!. I'd think he would be a good cross on a LM/FR first cross.

He would put the shape in and they would have the milk.

Mac Taylor · 29-04-2019 8:08pm

High bike wrote: »

muscles little hoor,good front end on him too:D

Out of an ABI dam....last year here the cow though, she put everything out after calving, vet advised no second chance, could lose cow and calf. Must buy some straws of him even if he is only a 1 star bull.

Mac Taylor · 29-04-2019 8:10pm

GiantPencil wrote: »

Saw on another thread that LM2014 Ewdenvale Ivor's days are done, hurted himself in the station supposedly....start stockpiling your straws now!!

That's pity...I like the stock of him, must check with my AI man to see if I can store some with him.

tanko · 29-04-2019 8:13pm

GiantPencil wrote: »

Saw on another thread that LM2014 Ewdenvale Ivor's days are done, hurted himself in the station supposedly....start stockpiling your straws now!!

Don't think thats true.
Have you used him?

patsy_mccabe · 29-04-2019 8:28pm

Mac Taylor wrote: »

PBR 4 week old...Lodge Hamlet...given the few pictures I've seen here and my own one and at 4.4% calving....I think I'll use him a bit more.

Only seeing that pic now. He's a smasher. Have you him on the steroids?

High bike · 29-04-2019 8:39pm

Mac Taylor wrote: »

Out of an ABI dam....last year here the cow though, she put everything out after calving, vet advised no second change, could lose cow and calf. Must buy some straws of him even if he is only a 1 star bull.

where are u getting that from he’s 5* terminal and 4* maternal

Mac Taylor · 29-04-2019 9:46pm

High bike wrote: »

where are u getting that from he’s 5* terminal and 4* maternal

Sorry, I meant abi not hamlet:D

Mac Taylor · 29-04-2019 9:49pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Only seeing that pic now. He's a smasher. Have you him on the steroids?

:D when that cow clicks with a bull she really clicks.

High bike · 29-04-2019 9:50pm

Mac Taylor wrote: »

Sorry, I meant abi not hamlet:D

had to check there I put him on a heifer last week:D

Hard Knocks · 29-04-2019 10:10pm

Mac Taylor wrote: »

PBR 4 week old...Lodge Hamlet...given the few pictures I've seen here and my own one and at 4.4% calving....I think I'll use him a bit more.

What’s the gestation like

Mac Taylor · 29-04-2019 10:38pm

Hard Knocks wrote: »

What’s the gestation like

My lad brought 11 days but calved on her own, he was a fair lump though.

Hard Knocks · 30-04-2019 12:17am

Mac Taylor wrote: »

My lad brought 11 days but calved on her own, he was a fair lump though.

That’s good, seen some do nearly double that

reps4 · 30-04-2019 10:33am

Hard Knocks wrote: »

What’s the gestation like

When gestation its quoted as +1.22 for example, what is the baseline its measured off.

282 days +1.22? Or something else.

Cheers

patsy_mccabe · 30-04-2019 10:39am

reps4 wrote: »

When gestation its quoted as +1.22 for example, what is the baseline its measured off.

282 days +1.22? Or something else.

Cheers

Ya, that's confusing. I think the baseline is the average for the angus breed.
If you click on the Replacement tab on ICBF for a bull, then Gestation, you will see the gestation there in absolute days - 289 for example.

RobinBanks · 03-05-2019 11:53am

Hello All,

Just wondering if any of you heard of a 9 day heat? AI man mentioned it to me this morning that it does happen. I thoughts it is just every 3 weeks

50HX · 03-05-2019 9:23pm

RobinBanks wrote: »

Hello All,

Just wondering if any of you heard of a 9 day heat? AI man mentioned it to me this morning that it does happen. I thoughts it is just every 3 weeks

Yeah they can show heat at 9 - 11 days as well as 19-21

patsy_mccabe · 04-05-2019 6:12pm

From the Irish Limousin website;

Until further notice Ballinloan Jaegerbomb progeny pedigrees, future registrations and trading are suspended
https://www.irishlimousin.com/2019/05/03/ballinloan-jaegerbomb/

From the UK Limousin site;
We have become aware that BCMS have withdrawn passports for various Ballinloan and other Ballinloan related animals and BCMS have sent notices to the owners of the relevant animals. The cause appears to be errors relating to the registration of either the date of birth and/or the parentage of the animals concerned. These animals are also registered with the British Limousin Cattle Society. Below is a list of animals where we are aware that BCMS have withdrawn the passport. This means that the pedigree of these animals and any progeny is in doubt.
https://limousin.co.uk/2019/05/notice-to-blcs-members/

Hard Knocks · 04-05-2019 9:25pm

RobinBanks wrote: »

Hello All,

Just wondering if any of you heard of a 9 day heat? AI man mentioned it to me this morning that it does happen. I thoughts it is just every 3 weeks

Heard the 12th day heat is supposed to be best

valtra2 · 04-05-2019 10:31pm

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Heard the 12th day heat is supposed to be best

What do you mean about 12th day heat.

Never wrestle with pigs · 05-05-2019 1:38am

valtra2 wrote: »

What do you mean about 12th day heat.

Got one incalf to one last year. Never herd of it before. She was bulling and the air man said that she could come around in 11/12 days. Must not have felt right I don't know. On she comes bulling in the 12th day and holds ha.

Sheep breeder · 05-05-2019 12:04pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

From the Irish Limousin website;

Until further notice Ballinloan Jaegerbomb progeny pedigrees, future registrations and trading are suspended
https://www.irishlimousin.com/2019/05/03/ballinloan-jaegerbomb/

From the UK Limousin site;
We have become aware that BCMS have withdrawn passports for various Ballinloan and other Ballinloan related animals and BCMS have sent notices to the owners of the relevant animals. The cause appears to be errors relating to the registration of either the date of birth and/or the parentage of the animals concerned. These animals are also registered with the British Limousin Cattle Society. Below is a list of animals where we are aware that BCMS have withdrawn the passport. This means that the pedigree of these animals and any progeny is in doubt.
https://limousin.co.uk/2019/05/notice-to-blcs-members/

lots of it going on in the pedigree world and the society’s don’t want to know and only want money. The amount of calves lying in the rushes for weeks and then the big growth rate, The bdgp has thrown up lots of dna problems and the fella using Ai and scan the cow and gets a new Ai docket for to make the calf 6 weeks younger.

patsy_mccabe · 05-05-2019 1:22pm

Sheep breeder wrote: »

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

From the Irish Limousin website;

Until further notice Ballinloan Jaegerbomb progeny pedigrees, future registrations and trading are suspended
https://www.irishlimousin.com/2019/05/03/ballinloan-jaegerbomb/

From the UK Limousin site;
We have become aware that BCMS have withdrawn passports for various Ballinloan and other Ballinloan related animals and BCMS have sent notices to the owners of the relevant animals. The cause appears to be errors relating to the registration of either the date of birth and/or the parentage of the animals concerned. These animals are also registered with the British Limousin Cattle Society. Below is a list of animals where we are aware that BCMS have withdrawn the passport. This means that the pedigree of these animals and any progeny is in doubt.
https://limousin.co.uk/2019/05/notice-to-blcs-members/

lots of it going on in the pedigree world and the society’s don’t want to know and only want money. The amount of calves lying in the rushes for weeks and then the big growth rate, The bdgp has thrown up lots of dna problems and the fella using Ai and scan the cow and gets a new Ai docket for to make the calf 6 weeks younger.

I was on a farm recently and there was very strong untagged calves there. I asked him why he hadn't them tagged. He said he always waited a.month or two before registering them. I asked were they out of ai bulls. They were. He was a bit taken back when I explained that the dept knew when they were ai'd.

charolais0153 · 05-05-2019 2:47pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

I was on a farm recently and there was very strong untagged calves there. I asked him why he hadn't them tagged. He said he always waited a.month or two before registering them. I asked were they out of ai bulls. They were. He was a bit taken back when I explained that the dept knew when they were ai'd.

Not all of them use handhelds

Donegalforever · 05-05-2019 10:35pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

I was on a farm recently and there was very strong untagged calves there. I asked him why he hadn't them tagged. He said he always waited a.month or two before registering them. I asked were they out of ai bulls. They were. He was a bit taken back when I explained that the dept knew when they were ai'd.

I was at a Mart early last year and a man was selling weanlings.
According to the description on the Board they were only about three months old.
It was plain to see that they were at least 6 months old.....He obviously has a Brass Neck.
How did he get away with it?

High bike · 05-05-2019 10:40pm

That’s an everyday occurrence at marts around here,the buyers don’t care as it gives a bit of leeway when it comes to killing cattle

sonnybill · 06-05-2019 12:55am

charolais0153 wrote: »

Not all of them use handhelds

No need to have handhelds when the ai man duplicate copy goes back to ai company like PG/ Munster etc the office update info on icbf

Never wrestle with pigs · 08-05-2019 6:09pm

Have a cow that came billing 60ish Days after calving. Left her be and she came around again 21 days later. That was last Sunday morning. I served her that everything and all well. Cooled down and the teaser didn't mind her after a while agin. This evening she is on again 3 days later? Bit odd, was scanned cleaned too.

tanko · 08-05-2019 7:11pm

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

Have a cow that came billing 60ish Days after calving. Left her be and she came around again 21 days later. That was last Sunday morning. I served her that everything and all well. Cooled down and the teaser didn't mind her after a while agin. This evening she is on again 3 days later? Bit odd, was scanned cleaned too.

A bit strange alright but i'd just wait and see if she comes round three weeks after being Ai'ed.
I would have Ai'ed her the first time she was bulling. Why did you leave her, its hard enough keeping them to 365 days.

Never wrestle with pigs · 08-05-2019 7:15pm

tanko wrote: »

A bit strange alright but i'd just wait and see if she comes round three weeks after being Ai'ed.
I would have Ai'ed her the first time she was bulling. Why did you leave her, its hard enough keeping them to 365 days.

Ya think I'll do that. I generally leave them bull once to clean out and ai next time. Expensive straws etc. I don't think many hold on the first heat.

tanko · 08-05-2019 8:23pm

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

Ya think I'll do that. I generally leave them bull once to clean out and ai next time. Expensive straws etc. I don't think many hold on the first heat.

I wouldnt agree that not many hold on the first heat, its as good a heat as any in my book.
They definitely wont go in calf if there isnt a straw in them but i wouldnt be using expensive straws here.
Each to their own i suppose.

Lady Haywire · 08-05-2019 8:38pm

Had a Potterleagh Mark calf last night. Ch4160.
Must have just fired him out with a fart as I left her with no water bag yet at 1.15 & by 4.15 he was up & smacking away!!

Hard Knocks · 08-05-2019 11:12pm

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

Have a cow that came billing 60ish Days after calving. Left her be and she came around again 21 days later. That was last Sunday morning. I served her that everything and all well. Cooled down and the teaser didn't mind her after a while agin. This evening she is on again 3 days later? Bit odd, was scanned cleaned too.

Could be no harm getting blood checked.
Is she bare?
Vitamins drench could be no harm

Never wrestle with pigs · 09-05-2019 3:29pm

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Could be no harm getting blood checked.
Is she bare?
Vitamins drench could be no harm

Has the usual bolus after turn out and a mag bucket. Even though she was in standing heat she wasn't running slime the second time. I'll leave her be and see what happens next time.

RobinBanks · 09-05-2019 6:51pm

I had a cow in standing heat around lunch time today. Looks to be gone off her now. Could I wait until morning to AI her or would it be to late.

There is clear slime coming out of her at present.

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