SAS Operating in Ireland (Republic of)

RMD · 06-02-2011 12:47pm

harryd2 wrote: »

crazy hyped time... mutsa been nuts..
I never understood how those soldiers were discovered..
I mean if yer a British soldier in such a place/scene, you try to keep as low a profile as possible (or not be there in the first place)
They musta been intelligence gathering and were razzled by accident by some passer by..

They drove into the funeral procession accidentally on the way home from duty. Considering the circumstances of the funeral (one of the people killed in the Milltown cemetery attacks) the mourners thought it was another loyalist attack. They began to attack the car and the soldiers produced guns to deter them, in effect proving to the people they were Loyalists. They were taken away and shot.

Wolfe Tone · 06-02-2011 3:55pm

RMD wrote: »

They drove into the funeral procession accidentally on the way home from duty. Considering the circumstances of the funeral (one of the people killed in the Milltown cemetery attacks) the mourners thought it was another loyalist attack. They began to attack the car and the soldiers produced guns to deter them, in effect proving to the people they were Loyalists. They were taken away and shot.

Funfair · 06-02-2011 8:14pm

Locust wrote: »

For example - If your a known terrorist - al-Qa'ida/IRA whatever. And you're near your acting suspcious - have no business being where you are and you turn towards me and put your hand in your pocket - i'd blow your head clean off your shoulders... 100 times over.

Cold blood? And uh, admitted to being 'active' ira (hot blooded hatred right there) and having a bomb etc - semtex, scoping out the area with the intention to rip fathers mothers and brothers apart isn't a threatening move?

With attitudes like this - I'm delighted things ended the way they did at Gibraltar.

Whats that @Funfair? After witnesses were intimidated by british newspapers? Jeez. Nothing like the 'boys' from Armagh knockin on yer door huh?
Yawn...

huh ? Your only looking for a row... I'm not that stupid to take the bait.. go back to bed

RMD · 07-02-2011 12:41am

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

What has that picture got anything to do with what I said?

Dogwatch · 07-02-2011 11:57am

This thread is degenerating into a cat fight with uninformed, bigoted and down right untrue comments being thrown around.
Before you hit the Submit button, at least attempt to do some research and please do not post your own prejudices as if they were facts.

The events in Gibralter, Milltown Cemetary and the killing of the two corporals are well documented so go and read what happened.

This thread was about the SAS operating in the Republic and it has been proven that they did. There is a lot of mysticism around the Regiment and a lot of it was hard earned. Again it is possible to research the events involving the SAS

So boys, Hit the Google button before you Hit the Submit button

Wolfe Tone · 07-02-2011 4:30pm

RMD wrote: »

What has that picture got anything to do with what I said?

They are British soldiers, holding the drumcree OO flag. The point is that the BA and loyalists where viewed by many as the same, and with good reason.

goldie fish · 07-02-2011 9:34pm

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

They are British soldiers, holding the drumcree OO flag. The point is that the BA and loyalists where viewed by many as the same, and with good reason.

You are probably the only one who knew that.

Dogwatch · 07-02-2011 9:54pm

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

They are British soldiers, holding the drumcree OO flag. The point is that the BA and loyalists where viewed by many as the same, and with good reason.

Are they a Regular Regiment or UDR????

Wolfe Tone · 07-02-2011 10:06pm

Dogwatch wrote: »

Are they a Regular Regiment or UDR????

I cant remember the exact details, although this being the military forum I am sure someone will know by looking.

Utrinque Paratus · 07-02-2011 10:33pm

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

I cant remember the exact details, although this being the military forum I am sure someone will know by looking.

They are UDR soldiers.

Wolfe Tone · 07-02-2011 10:38pm

Utrinque Paratus wrote: »

They are UDR soldiers.

Really? Just for future reference how can you tell? And what year would you say that was judging by their gear?

goldie fish · 07-02-2011 10:51pm

Utrinque Paratus wrote: »

They are UDR soldiers.

They WERE UDR soldiers.

UDR is long disbanded, mostly due to its involvement with loyalist subversives.

Dogwatch · 07-02-2011 11:51pm

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

They are British soldiers, holding the drumcree OO flag. The point is that the BA and loyalists where viewed by many as the same, and with good reason.

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

I cant remember the exact details, although this being the military forum I am sure someone will know by looking.

goldie fish wrote: »

They WERE UDR soldiers.

UDR is long disbanded, mostly due to its involvement with loyalist subversives.

Wolfe Tone,
Your picture has no relevance as the UDR recruited entirely from Northern Ireland.

The British Army were welcomed onto the streets of NI by Roman Catholics initially. When it was realised that they would act impartially in carrying out their duties, both sides turned on them and they became "piggy in the middle"

Instead of random photos that prove nothing, do a bit of uselful research and contribute to the debate.

Wolfe Tone · 07-02-2011 11:56pm

Dogwatch wrote: »

Wolfe Tone,
Your picture has no relevance as the UDR recruited entirely from Northern Ireland.

The British Army were welcomed onto the streets of NI by Roman Catholics initially. When it was realised that they would act impartially in carrying out their duties, both sides turned on them and they became "piggy in the middle"

Instead of random photos that prove nothing, do a bit of uselful research and contribute to the debate.

Jesus tap dancing christ. Act impartially? The BA in the north? Pull the other one, that was hoped, hence the welcome, soon it was shown otherwise and that the BA acted on orders of the sectarian state.

Utrinque Paratus · 08-02-2011 1:02am

goldie fish wrote: »

They WERE UDR soldiers.

UDR is long disbanded, mostly due to its involvement with loyalist subversives.

Not true, the UDR disbanded due to the change in the security climate. 1 battalion was amalgamated into the RIR.

They are UDR soldiers in the photo, is that better.:rolleyes:

Utrinque Paratus · 08-02-2011 1:04am

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Really? Just for future reference how can you tell? And what year would you say that was judging by their gear?

Their berets and cap badge, late 80s/early 90s.

Wolfe Tone · 08-02-2011 1:05am

Thanks, no need to be condescending.

Dogwatch · 08-02-2011 4:01pm

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Jesus tap dancing christ. Act impartially? The BA in the north? Pull the other one, that was hoped, hence the welcome, soon it was shown otherwise and that the BA acted on orders of the sectarian state.

Yet again you have got it wrong.

Soldiers were welcomed into the Falls Road and into other Natioalist areas with cups of tea and cakes. When the nationalists realised that the soldiers would enforce the law impartially, they turned on them. Nationalists expected,wrongly, that the Army would do for them what the RUC/B Specials were doing for the Loyalists. The Soldiers on the ground did their best enforce the law but were not allowed to do so by all the other competing interests.

Please take the time to check out what happened instead of what you think happened.
You do diservice to your Boards name by not properly checking your facts.

To return briefly to the unfortunate Corporals who were murdered at the funeral on the Falls, they did not shoot any civilians even though they were well aware of what would happen to them.
The PIRA administered their own brand of retribution that day against 2 helpless men,who make very sure that innocent people did not die because of a mistake they made.

Wolfe Tone · 08-02-2011 4:14pm

Dogwatch wrote: »

Yet again you have got it wrong.

Soldiers were welcomed into the Falls Road and into other Natioalist areas with cups of tea and cakes. When the nationalists realised that the soldiers would enforce the law impartially, they turned on them. Nationalists expected,wrongly, that the Army would do for them what the RUC/B Specials were doing for the Loyalists. The Soldiers on the ground did their best enforce the law but were not allowed to do so by all the other competing interests.

Please take the time to check out what happened instead of what you think happened.
You do diservice to your Boards name by not properly checking your facts.

To return briefly to the unfortunate Corporals who were murdered at the funeral on the Falls, they did not shoot any civilians even though they were well aware of what would happen to them.
The PIRA administered their own brand of retribution that day against 2 helpless men,who make very sure that innocent people did not die because of a mistake they made.

No, when nationalists observed that they did not act impartially they turned on them, it is you who have your facts wrong.

Dogwatch · 08-02-2011 4:39pm

Do you have this information first hand or are you repeating the propoganda of one the factions involved?

Mine is first hand experience but in general the people of NI were decent folk but unfortunetly a small vocal minority led the way.

Sadly prejudice and bigotry still exists in pockets but thankfully the sensible silent majority now lead the way and the bigots are fast disappearing.

mbiking123 · 08-02-2011 7:38pm

I thought Bloody Sunday is what really turned people against HM Armed Forces

Dogwatch · 08-02-2011 8:07pm

mbiking123 wrote: »

I thought Bloody Sunday is what really turned people against HM Armed Forces

It certainly helped and was the best recruiting event for the IRA. There were numerous events that all helped, no one event greater than any other.
There were many occasions when the Troubles could have ended but the usual vested interests on one side or other did not want it to end.

A very sad chapter in the history of this Island.

RMD · 08-02-2011 8:57pm

mbiking123 wrote: »

I thought Bloody Sunday is what really turned people against HM Armed Forces

They were fully turned against them in essence once the Falls Road Curfew and Ballymurphy Massacre took place. Bloody Sunday was the final nail in the coffin, any chance they had of saving face in NI at this point was gone. It was the PIRA's greatest propaganda victory for recruitment during the Troubles.

I'm not trying to use you as an example, but I find it amazing that most people always use Bloody Sunday as a reference point yet never mention the Ballymurphy Massacre, in a large amount of cases many people haven't even heard of it.

mbiking123 · 09-02-2011 1:31am

I'm not trying to use you as an example, but I find it amazing that most people always use Bloody Sunday as a reference point yet never mention the Ballymurphy Massacre, in a large amount of cases many people haven't even heard of it.

I can appreciate your point of view, but this event caused the British Embassy in Dublin to be burnt down. I heard that there was so many people out that night that the streets were packed and it was impossible to get anywhere near the Embassy. Possibly because the whole event (Bloody Sunday)was caught on camera was why it got so much attention ?

There are many accounts of Catholics making complaints of being beaten up by RUC officers during the troubles because they attended marches or demonstrations

Daniel S · 09-02-2011 1:44am

mbiking123 wrote: »

I can appreciate your point of view, but this event caused the British Embassy in Dublin to be burnt down. I heard that there was so many people out that night that the streets were packed and it was impossible to get anywhere near the Embassy. Possibly because the whole event (Bloody Sunday)was caught on camera was why it got so much attention ?

There are many accounts of Catholics making complaints of being beaten up by RUC officers during the troubles because they attended marches or demonstrations

And I thought my username was unique

PatsytheNazi · 09-02-2011 12:32pm

Dogwatch wrote: »

Yet again you have got it wrong.

Soldiers were welcomed into the Falls Road and into other Natioalist areas with cups of tea and cakes. When the nationalists realised that the soldiers would enforce the law impartially, they turned on them. Nationalists expected,wrongly, that the Army would do for them what the RUC/B Specials were doing for the Loyalists. The Soldiers on the ground did their best enforce the law but were not allowed to do so by all the other competing interests.

Please take the time to check out what happened instead of what you think happened.
You do diservice to your Boards name by not properly checking your facts.

As big a load of bollox as I've seen for a while on b.ie :rolleyes: The Brits were initiallying welcomed into the nationalist areas in the expectantion that they would " would enforce the law impartially". When the nationalists experienced that the soldiers wouldn't enforce the law impartially - they truned on them. Anyone knowing the record of the Brits in Ireland, India etc would know it was once again the Brits running true to form and getting stuck in to the natives, nothing like giving Johnny Foreigner a bit of a kicking and British pluck to put him in his place etc

To return briefly to the unfortunate Corporals who were murdered at the funeral on the Falls, they did not shoot any civilians even though they were well aware of what would happen to them.
The PIRA administered their own brand of retribution that day against 2 helpless men,who make very sure that innocent people did not die because of a mistake they made.

They didn't shoot any people because they were disarmed due to the extreme bravery of the civilians before they got a chance to

PatsytheNazi · 09-02-2011 12:35pm

Dogwatch wrote: »

Do you have this information first hand or are you repeating the propoganda of one the factions involved?

Mine is first hand experience but in general the people of NI were decent folk but unfortunetly a small vocal minority led the way.

Sadly prejudice and bigotry still exists in pockets but thankfully the sensible silent majority now lead the way and the bigots are fast disappearing.

Helping little old ladies across the road in front of gunfire and dressing up as Santa handing out toys to the kiddies on the Falls Road and Bogside were you ?

Dogwatch · 09-02-2011 7:30pm

PatsytheNazi wrote: »

Helping little old ladies across the road in front of gunfire and dressing up as Santa handing out toys to the kiddies on the Falls Road and Bogside were you ?

How perseptive of you to finally get something right with one of your posts.

Dogwatch · 09-02-2011 7:40pm

PatsytheNazi wrote: »

They didn't shoot any people because they were disarmed due to the extreme bravery of the civilians before they got a chance to

I did not realise you were there and witnessed what happened first hand or maybe you are just spouting more propaganda and drivel as per usual

Funfair · 09-02-2011 8:08pm

Dogwatch wrote: »

I did not realise you were there and witnessed what happened first hand or maybe you are just spouting more propaganda and drivel as per usual

You can clearly see in the Video the guns being taken off the Corporal's at the window of the car..

RMD · 09-02-2011 9:11pm

PatsytheNazi wrote: »

They didn't shoot any people because they were disarmed due to the extreme bravery of the civilians before they got a chance to

Patsy I'm not trying to kick up some personal row but we both know that statement is complete and utter horseshít, watch the video of the event happening and you'll see there was plenty of time to shoot civilians. They fired a warning shot and that was it, if they did want to shoot civilians they could have unloaded a whole magazine into the crowd before they were disarmed.

Dogwatch · 09-02-2011 9:21pm

Funfair wrote: »

You can clearly see in the Video the guns being taken off the Corporal's at the window of the car..

RMD wrote: »

Patsy I'm not trying to kick up some personal row but we both know that statement is complete and utter horseshít, watch the video of the event happening and you'll see there was plenty of time to shoot civilians. They fired a warning shot and that was it, if they did want to shoot civilians they could have unloaded a whole magazine into the crowd before they were disarmed.

I refer you to the above post. Why oh why do people not see the evidence in front of them or selectively quote from it.

Every faction made mistakes and people died but now is the time to see it with open eyes and minds and not just take on side of the story. There is plenty of information avaliable for a balanced view to seen but have enough people the courage to say that the other factions may have had a point and some legitimacy in what the wanted. Their methods may be questionable but no one is perfect.

Continuing to promote the propoganda of one faction is no longer a legitimate way to debate the Troubles. Take a few steps back and look at it from a different viewpoint, maybe even the viewpoint of those whom you dislike so much. I hope you might learn something from it.

Funfair · 09-02-2011 10:06pm

Dogwatch wrote: »

I refer you to the above post. Why oh why do people not see the evidence in front of them or selectively quote from it.

Every faction made mistakes and people died but now is the time to see it with open eyes and minds and not just take on side of the story. There is plenty of information avaliable for a balanced view to seen but have enough people the courage to say that the other factions may have had a point and some legitimacy in what the wanted. Their methods may be questionable but no one is perfect.

Continuing to promote the propoganda of one faction is no longer a legitimate way to debate the Troubles. Take a few steps back and look at it from a different viewpoint, maybe even the viewpoint of those whom you dislike so much. I hope you might learn something from it.

What I said was you can clearly see a gun being taken off the Soldiers how is that promoting the propoganda of any side when you can see it ?

What RMD is saying is also true, the Soliders could have got more then a warning off if they suspected what was going to happen to them. They obviously didn't expect to be draged from the car, when they realised it was more sinister then a few people kicking the car it was too late.

No propoganda in either post if you ask me..

RMD · 09-02-2011 11:22pm

Dogwatch wrote: »

I refer you to the above post. Why oh why do people not see the evidence in front of them or selectively quote from it.

Every faction made mistakes and people died but now is the time to see it with open eyes and minds and not just take on side of the story. There is plenty of information avaliable for a balanced view to seen but have enough people the courage to say that the other factions may have had a point and some legitimacy in what the wanted. Their methods may be questionable but no one is perfect.

Continuing to promote the propoganda of one faction is no longer a legitimate way to debate the Troubles. Take a few steps back and look at it from a different viewpoint, maybe even the viewpoint of those whom you dislike so much. I hope you might learn something from it.

If you knew my history of posts in these type of topics you'll find I'm pretty much unbiased and if anything anti-Republican supporters. I'm not taking any side of the story, I'm viewing it completely down the middle with a hint of anti-armchair Republicanism.

Take a few step backs and read through the topic before jumping to conclusions.

Dogwatch · 09-02-2011 11:45pm

RMD: Sorry, I Apologise.

I was referring Funfair to your post as an example of seeing the whole video and not picking a small few seconds to quote.
Your comments are very fair and considered. Thank you

RMD · 09-02-2011 11:50pm

Dogwatch wrote: »

RMD: Sorry, I Apologise.

I was referring Funfair to your post as an example of seeing the whole video and not picking a small few seconds to quote.
Your comments are very fair and considered. Thank you

Ah I see, I sounded a like a bit of a dick in my reply to you so sorry for that, misunderstood your post.

Dogwatch · 09-02-2011 11:57pm

Funfair wrote: »

What I said was you can clearly see a gun being taken off the Soldiers how is that promoting the propoganda of any side when you can see it ?

What RMD is saying is also true, the Soliders could have got more then a warning off if they suspected what was going to happen to them. They obviously didn't expect to be draged from the car, when they realised it was more sinister then a few people kicking the car it was too late.

No propoganda in either post if you ask me..

Yes that bit is clear but why only mention this part as there is a lot more footage available to view including the part where the defenceless men were beaten to death and then shot with their own weapons.

They would have been well aware of what was going to happen to them, given the area they were in and the reputation for PIRA in meting its own version of justice.

If they had shot civilians, they outcry would have been deafening and rightly so. They restrained themselves and as a result only two people died instead of several more.

The Army were well aware of events and could have sent in troops to rescue them but did nothing. In doing nothing lives were saved but what Republican would admit that?

Too many people will not look over the fence and see what happened on the other side, which is sad. Soldiers and civilians were murdered by all factions but I do see that any faction was more or less rightous than any other.
Tell the truth about what happened and not just one sides version of it.

mbiking123 · 10-02-2011 1:30am

They would have been well aware of what was going to happen to them, given the area they were in and the reputation for PIRA in meting its own version of justice.

If they had shot civilians, they outcry would have been deafening and rightly so. They restrained themselves and as a result only two people died instead of several more.

The Army were well aware of events and could have sent in troops to rescue them but did nothing. In doing nothing lives were saved but what Republican would admit that?

I dont understand why the guy started climbing out the window with gun in hand, personally I think it would have been safer to stay inside car and lock doors. I believe climbing out of window gun in hand is what caused the crowd to react the way they did. In fact from what I know, their initial reaction is what gave them away. I believe if they acted like two blokes who got lost they would have got out.

What was army doing in civilian clothing and car and also armed ? Army usually go on patrol etc in numbers, these two guys on their own. Seems suspicious to me.

Funfair · 10-02-2011 7:28am

Dogwatch wrote: »

RMD: Sorry, I Apologise.

I was referring Funfair to your post as an example of seeing the whole video and not picking a small few seconds to quote.
Your comments are very fair and considered. Thank you

You are talking utter rubbish Dogwatch...

RMD was also talking about a few seconds when he said the Corporal's could have fired there guns. So how do you explain that what RMD said was fair and considered and mine was total horse crap?

What I said was proven on video what RMD said was more then likely and not proven but his view was "considered" and mine wasn't.. get a grip boi!!

Dogwatch · 10-02-2011 12:26pm

Funfair wrote: »

You are talking utter rubbish Dogwatch...

RMD was also talking about a few seconds when he said the Corporal's could have fired there guns. So how do you explain that what RMD said was fair and considered and mine was total horse crap?

What I said was proven on video what RMD said was more then likely and not proven but his view was "considered" and mine wasn't.. get a grip boi!!

First; there is no need to be abusive because someone disagrees with you. It demeans you and your argument.

Second: Here is something you could have looked up yourself but did not bother. Read this and look up the Milltown funerals for some more information.
These sordid events were well covered by television at the time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporals_killings.

there are many more links in both articles so you can read what happened or it will lead you other viewpoints

Video of what happened which includes your quoted photograph. The video is over 18 only and requires registering with Youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I8y4iL7jQw&oref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fresults%3Fsearch_query%3Dcorporal%2Bkillings%26aq%3Df&has_verified=1&oref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fverify_age%3Fnext_url%3Dhttp%253A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%253Fv%253D8I8y4iL7jQw%2526oref%253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.youtube.com%25252Fresults%25253Fsearch_query%25253Dcorporal%25252Bkillings%252526aq%25253Df%2526has_verified%253D1

Funfair · 10-02-2011 2:21pm

Dogwatch wrote: »

First; there is no need to be abusive because someone disagrees with you. It demeans you and your argument.

Second: Here is something you could have looked up yourself but did not bother. Read this and look up the Milltown funerals for some more information.
These sordid events were well covered by television at the time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporals_killings.

there are many more links in both articles so you can read what happened or it will lead you other viewpoints

Video of what happened which includes your quoted photograph. The video is over 18 only and requires registering with Youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I8y4iL7jQw&oref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fresults%3Fsearch_query%3Dcorporal%2Bkillings%26aq%3Df&has_verified=1&oref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fverify_age%3Fnext_url%3Dhttp%253A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%253Fv%253D8I8y4iL7jQw%2526oref%253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.youtube.com%25252Fresults%25253Fsearch_query%25253Dcorporal%25252Bkillings%252526aq%25253Df%2526has_verified%253D1

Dogwatch Apologies if I offended you with my last response but you need to lose your condescending attitude to everything I post.

Why exactly are you posting up articles and videos on this brutal killing?

And what exactly do you want me or others to read and look at?

I didn’t open either link as I don’t feel I need to; I can remember what happened, how it happened and why it happened. I also remember the tension at the time and that is something you won’t get from reading or watching videos. That month was, as said elsewhere, A brutal chapter in the sad history of the North.

You arguing with me is not going to change anything about any incident.. Thankfully it’s all confined to history and we as an Island have moved on from it.

If you’re asking if I condone the killings the answer is NO how could anyone with any sense of moral values stand over what happened to the two men .I can though understand the thinking of the time and how people can say if this or if that didn't happen then this wouldn't have happened etc.

Lastly a bit of advice not everything wrote on Wikipedia can be taken as fact. The site is very good for a lot of things but sometimes the information is not totally accurate.

Dogwatch · 10-02-2011 5:14pm

Funfair wrote: »

Dogwatch Apologies if I offended you with my last response but you need to lose your condescending attitude to everything I post.

Why exactly are you posting up articles and videos on this brutal killing?

And what exactly do you want me or others to read and look at?

I didn’t open either link as I don’t feel I need to; I can remember what happened, how it happened and why it happened. I also remember the tension at the time and that is something you won’t get from reading or watching videos. That month was, as said elsewhere, A brutal chapter in the sad history of the North.

You arguing with me is not going to change anything about any incident.. Thankfully it’s all confined to history and we as an Island have moved on from it.

If you’re asking if I condone the killings the answer is NO how could anyone with any sense of moral values stand over what happened to the two men .I can though understand the thinking of the time and how people can say if this or if that didn't happen then this wouldn't have happened etc.

Lastly a bit of advice not everything wrote on Wikipedia can be taken as fact. The site is very good for a lot of things but sometimes the information is not totally accurate.

I am posting up these article and videos to attempt to get posters here to look at the whole series of sad events that ended with the killing of the two corporals.

These events are over 20 years old and memory is not a good thing to rely on after that length of time.

I am not asking you to condone the killings, far from it. I am asking that you and others look at these and other events with an open mind and maybe think about it again.

I agree about the unreliablity of Wikipedia but it can provide useful links to other sources of information.

Thank you for the apology. I was not offended by your comments but again you see the need to comment about me.

Attack the post not the poster please.

RMD · 10-02-2011 6:27pm

mbiking123 wrote: »

What was army doing in civilian clothing and car and also armed ? Army usually go on patrol etc in numbers, these two guys on their own. Seems suspicious to me.

They had just gotten off-duty. Off-duty soldiers were often armed with handguns during the troubles as they were obviously targets to Republicans off-duty as well. Apparently they were new to their deployment and didn't no their way around West Belfast, on their way home they decided to go down the Falls road instead of taking the M1 which was suggested to them by their CO, idiotic to say the least.

Dogwatch · 10-02-2011 8:10pm

RMD wrote: »

They had just gotten off-duty. Off-duty soldiers were often armed with handguns during the troubles as they were obviously targets to Republicans off-duty as well. Apparently they were new to their deployment and didn't no their way around West Belfast, on their way home they decided to go down the Falls road instead of taking the M1 which was suggested to them by their CO, idiotic to say the least.

The passenger, Corporal Howes, was the relief of the driver, Corporal Wood, and a familirisation was taking place when they ran into the funeral.

Unbelievably they had not been briefed that it was happening and to stay away from the area. The driver was just ending his tour when this happened.

Wrong place,Wrong time

Here is another source for the events of that day from Saoirse32
http://saoirse32.blogsome.com/2005/03/19/the-two-corporals/

Comment No 4 is rather poignant

RMD · 10-02-2011 9:54pm

Dogwatch wrote: »

The passenger, Corporal Howes, was the relief of the driver, Corporal Wood, and a familirisation was taking place when they ran into the funeral.

Unbelievably they had not been briefed that it was happening and to stay away from the area. The driver was just ending his tour when this happened.

Wrong place,Wrong time

Here is another source for the events of that day from Saoirse32
http://saoirse32.blogsome.com/2005/03/19/the-two-corporals/

Comment No 4 is rather poignant

I can't find the source but I remember reading that they were advised to avoid the Falls road area and take the M1, they were on a familiarisation but if I remember right the source I read it from said their CO advised them to stay away from the Falls road area on that day. Ye simply a case of wrong place wrong time, if there was any malice in their plans they would have certainly fired more than a warning shot.

Comment 4 seems pretty bang on, comment 32 also sums up the emotions at the time well. There is a plentiful supply of backward retards posting on there to though :pac:

Dogwatch · 10-02-2011 10:39pm

RMD wrote: »

I can't find the source but I remember reading that they were advised to avoid the Falls road area and take the M1, they were on a familiarisation but if I remember right the source I read it from said their CO advised them to stay away from the Falls road area on that day. Ye simply a case of wrong place wrong time, if there was any malice in their plans they would have certainly fired more than a warning shot.

Comment 4 seems pretty bang on, comment 32 also sums up the emotions at the time well. There is a plentiful supply of backward retards posting on there to though :pac:

You are right. The junction where I think they made the mistake is/was a roundabout and I think they went one exit too far. It a long time ago and memory is fallable.
There are still those on this island who rejoice in what happened that day. Thankfully, they are in a shrinking minority.

whydave · 14-02-2011 12:43am

you may want to read this ''The SAS in Ireland'' by Raymond Murray (thats Fr.Raymond Murray )http://www.amazon.co.uk/SAS-Ireland-Raymond-Murray/dp/1856354377/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1297640257&sr=1-1

RMD · 14-02-2011 1:21am

whydave wrote: »

you may want to read this ''The SAS in Ireland'' by Raymond Murray (thats Fr.Raymond Murray )http://www.amazon.co.uk/SAS-Ireland-Raymond-Murray/dp/1856354377/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1297640257&sr=1-1

Supposedly it's a load of biased crap, but that really depends on what side you view it from.

whydave · 14-02-2011 1:34am

try to read the book first then see if it is biased !

PatsytheNazi · 14-02-2011 2:21pm

whydave wrote: »

you may want to read this ''The SAS in Ireland'' by Raymond Murray (thats Fr.Raymond Murray )http://www.amazon.co.uk/SAS-Ireland-Raymond-Murray/dp/1856354377/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1297640257&sr=1-1

RMD wrote: »

Supposedly it's a load of biased crap, but that really depends on what side you view it from.

''The SAS in Ireland'' by Raymond Murray is the best book written on the subject. Raymond Murray has worked with Amnesty International and other human rights groups on state sponsored murder, torture etc Like an Amnesty report, the book is written in clinical and factual fashion unlike the self glofyification daring do adventure stories of how the SAS took out the ' terrorists ' while hiding in a ditch for a week surviving on rats p!ss in sub zero temperatures etc, etc

SAS Operating in Ireland (Republic of)

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