Stealing milk. MOD NOTE POST #1

auspicious wrote: »

We can digress and debate upon resources and carbon emissions, which by the way are in no way insignificant, it's obvious with today's information, but the fact remains that the mother is very much distressed and suffers as a consequence of the purchase by consumers of a litre of milk in a shop or supermarket etc. when alternatives are available and more than suffice.
Causing unnecessary distress for an uneccessary product is not justifiable. If it is please convince me.

If you got the chance, would you drink human breast milk from a willing donor who hadn't been distressed while making the donation? Most people agree that babies should be breast-fed as it is healthier, but the idea of an adult human drinking human breast milk is repulsive, more so that drinking milk from an adult cow. That's also more social programming, even though you'd think it'd be natural that human milk would be better for humans. I googled 'human breast milk for sale' and the first hit I got was on adverts.ie where somebody in Tallaght was selling her breast milk. Would you have tried it?

Oat 'milk' and nut 'milk' may be nutritional but most of those nutrients are added, so you might as well get smelly-sock-milk and fortify that with vitamins and calcium! I don't drink tea or coffee but I'd imagine that these fake milks make the drink taste different. I've tasted them myself as a drink and wasn't impressed. They were just about acceptable in cereal, with the flavour from the cereals hiding the taste somewhat.

auspicious wrote: »

A friend of mine, a dairy farmer, had his mother spend five weeks in hospital after a cow attacked and crushed his mother protecting her newborn calf.

Now that is a very stupid person.

She's a mother to a dairy farmer and did something this stupid.

Fake news

Gremlinertia wrote: »

See my post after that, it's exactly the problem, if one wanted a vegan world, we've bred and built something that isn't compatible and will result in animal suffering were that to change somehow.

Fair enough, but , it's your choice ,if you decide to become vegan or whatever , it won't change the world immediately... Even if many many started swapping it would result in a gslow radual reduction in domestic animal numbers .

I'll stick with dairy ..its not all perfect , and could definitely do better , but it's not anywhere near as bad as is portrayed ...

auspicious wrote: »

But if we reach beyond human suffering, as in animal suffering, perpetrated by humans , would you not think we would be more wont to consider our differential treatment of all.
"The measure of a civilization is how it treats its weakest members.”
We can't countenance a fair worldview if we hold discriminatory values.

You keep rabbiting on about suffering. If a dairy animal is "suffering", there won't be any milk, they will go dry.
Can you explain to us then, how we can get all this milk out of "suffering" cows?
You do claim to be quite the authority on the subject, despite being told ad nauseum that only healthy, content animals will thrive and produce.

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

The resources to raise cows both water and food is insane, especially when we are exporting most of it and paying through our hole in carbon tax emissions to support it.

The water argument doesn't cut it in Ireland maybe in the US where they are draining an aquifer, in case you haven't noticed we have an abundance of water in Ireland that is constantly recycled. As for the food, cows eat lots of grass any supplements from crops is always the by product of the crop that's fed that would otherwise go to waste. Your knowledge of livestock is very limited and all you are doing is believing vegan propaganda.

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

If you got the chance, would you drink human breast milk from a willing donor who hadn't been distressed while making the donation? Most people agree that babies should be breast-fed as it is healthier, but the idea of an adult human drinking human breast milk is repulsive, more so that drinking milk from an adult cow. That's also more social programming, even though you'd think it'd be natural that human milk would be better for humans. I googled 'human breast milk for sale' and the first hit I got was on adverts.ie where somebody in Tallaght was selling her breast milk. Would you have tried it?

Oat 'milk' and nut 'milk' may be nutritional but most of those nutrients are added, so you might as well get smelly-sock-milk and fortify that with vitamins and calcium! I don't drink tea or coffee but I'd imagine that these fake milks make the drink taste different. I've tasted them myself as a drink and wasn't impressed. They were just about acceptable in cereal, with the flavour from the cereals hiding the taste somewhat.

Jaysus, drinking milk from lactating women and drinking nut milk are you sure you are on the right forum?

Why do vegans bring out the arsehole in so many, otherwise intelligent people?

I'm neither vegan or vegetarian.

Maybe people take offence to propaganda and so much misinformation being pushed by the vegan side. The method of communicating of offence may not be the best, but not everyone can write like W.B. Yeats.

The poor guy presenting the sensationalist film looks like he could be missing a few nutrients. He doesn’t look well at all.

Any milk alternatives i've tried have been ghastly, really awful.

Fighting Tao wrote: »

No one is forcing you to believe anything. Some people still believe the earth is flat too.

Difference being that there is a world of evidence to indicate that the world is not flat.

I thought this thread would be about stealing cartons of milk left outside someone's door by a milkman. Am disappointed

the beer revolu wrote: »

I am far, far more suspicious of the misinformation put out by the very powerful animal agricultural interests.
Some of the made up shlte about the environmental impact of rearing animals is pretty hilarious.

I'm suspicious of "facts" trumped out by both sides but I genuinely find the vegans way more believable.

So in your mind vegans who more than likely wouldn't know one end of a cow from the other are more believable than livestock producers? Go back to sleep.

Dakota Dan wrote: »

So in your mind vegans who more than likely wouldn't know one end of a cow from the other are more believable than livestock producers? Go back to sleep.

100%, every time.
I tend to distrust information from financially vested interests.

whisky_galore wrote: »

And vegan food promoters and producers have no financially vested interests of course.

Your average vegan is neither a food promoter or producer.
Your average farmer is, well... a farmer.

the beer revolu wrote: »

Your average vegan is neither a food promoter or producer.
Your average farmer is, well... a farmer.

Is your average omnivore a food promoter or producer?

the beer revolu wrote: »

No.
I'm talking about the "facts" from the farming sector.

The vegan side also supports "facts".

In the end, I don't listen to either. I'll eat whatever the fcuk I want without being preached to by a holier than thou shower.