Stealing milk. MOD NOTE POST #1

auspicious · 08-11-2020 3:28am #1

Please keep discussion civil, basically do not abuse/attack a poster, thank you

Every choice we make has an outcome. It is either positive or negative. Our choices impact the world around us. They can be insignificant or detrimental to another's wellbeing.
Advertising and societal conditioning can often, all the time, lead us to make choices which blind us to the outcomes. If we don't see the outcomes, the fallout, if we are blind to the negative repercussions, we will usually continue without thinking. Until it is pointed out.
The maternal bond begins in pregnancy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKWJBMeyxzU

-A closed thread in Current Affairs but it is an exquisitely current affair to some mothers.

nofools · 08-11-2020 3:28am

Cost of soy production...talk to me

Imo grass fed dairy in ireland is better for the environment

bobbysands81 · 08-11-2020 3:29am

By Jesus, I feckin love milk.

nofools · 08-11-2020 3:30am

auspicious wrote: »

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Advertising and societal conditioning can often, all the time, lead us to make choices which blind us to the outcomes.

Is your video not just a different form of the same thing?

nofools · 08-11-2020 3:30am

nofools wrote: »

Cost of soy production...talk to me

Imo grass fed dairy in ireland is better for the environment

Oat milk we can do i suppose.

Nut milk, same problems

auspicious · 08-11-2020 3:32am

Oat milk doesn't cause psychological distress to a mother though. A plant will not chase after it's offspring.

Man with broke phone · 08-11-2020 3:33am

I like milk, why should I care about your agenda?

nofools · 08-11-2020 3:33am

auspicious wrote: »

Oat milk doesn't cause psychological distress to a mother though. A plant will not chase after it's offspring.

More concerned about the environment.

Have been on dairy farms, cows seemed fine.

Charlie19 · 08-11-2020 3:36am

You'll have to be up early to steel my milk.

Atlantic Dawn · 08-11-2020 3:37am

I've not drank straight milk in 10 years plus, obviously I am exposed to it as an ingredient in so many other day to day foods. I do take vitamin supplements to cover the loss of vitamins.

s1ippy · 08-11-2020 3:44am

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

I've not drank straight milk in 10 years plus, obviously I am exposed to it as an ingredient in so many other day to day foods. I do take vitamin supplements to cover the loss of vitamins.

Foods like what out of interest

auspicious · 08-11-2020 3:45am

There is no loss of vitamins from abstaining from the cruelty of milk. Calcium is more bioavailable from other food sources.
A friend of mine, a dairy farmer, had his mother spend five weeks in hospital after a cow attacked and crushed his mother protecting her newborn calf. The bond is strong and begins in pregnancy, as in any mammal.
They don't deserve the distress. The milk as in any mammal is designed for the baby. No-one else.

nofools · 08-11-2020 3:51am

Why are you friends with the enemy?

Atlantic Dawn · 08-11-2020 3:53am

s1ippy wrote: »

Foods like what out of interest

Chocolate, bread, most stuff with carbs.

SouthWesterly · 08-11-2020 3:54am

Next thing we'll have a thread telling us not to eat meat.
Of course no one gives a hoot about the poor vegetable yanked from the nice warm earth which is full of nutrients.

punisher5112 · 08-11-2020 3:55am

I do it on your doorstep

Atlantic Dawn · 08-11-2020 3:56am

auspicious wrote: »

There is no loss of vitamins from abstaining from the cruelty of milk. Calcium is more bioavailable from other food sources.
A friend of mine, a dairy farmer, had his mother spend five weeks in hospital after a cow attacked and crushed his mother protecting her newborn calf. The bond is strong and begins in pregnancy, as in any mammal.
They don't deserve the distress. The milk as in any mammal is designed for the baby. No-one else.

The resources to raise cows both water and food is insane, especially when we are exporting most of it and paying through our hole in carbon tax emissions to support it.

punisher5112 · 08-11-2020 3:56am

Pat mustard there are some very hairy babies on craggy island and I think you are the hairy baby maker.....

punisher5112 · 08-11-2020 3:57am

Laughing very loudly inside an old telecom eireann phone box, Collin Farrel stared Inthe phone boxx

bassy · 08-11-2020 3:57am

i love the jugs

punisher5112 · 08-11-2020 3:58am

bassy wrote: »

i love the jugs

Serious set of jugs on her

punisher5112 · 08-11-2020 3:59am

Crows loved the metal caps on the bottle... They would then place pebbles in to get the milk.... Smart bird

nofools · 08-11-2020 4:00am

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

The resources to raise cows both water and food is insane, especially when we are exporting most of it and paying through our hole in carbon tax emissions to support it.

It depends a

Give me the case for ireland.

auspicious · 08-11-2020 4:18am

We can digress and debate upon resources and carbon emissions, which by the way are in no way insignificant, it's obvious with today's information, but the fact remains that the mother is very much distressed and suffers as a consequence of the purchase by consumers of a litre of milk in a shop or supermarket etc. when alternatives are available and more than suffice.
Causing unnecessary distress for an uneccessary product is not justifiable. If it is please convince me.

Gremlinertia · 08-11-2020 4:19am

Breakfast cereal makers quietly quaking in their boots now. Wonder what the thought process behind drinking another animals milk was though.. The first person to do it, why?

s1ippy · 08-11-2020 4:21am

Gremlinertia wrote: »

Breakfast cereal makers quietly quaking in their boots now. Wonder what the thought process behind drinking another animals milk was though.. The first person to do it, why?

Remus, because Romulus was too slow.

nofools · 08-11-2020 4:24am

auspicious wrote: »

We can digress and debate upon resources and carbon emissions, which by the way are in no way insignificant, it's obvious with today's information, but the fact remains that the mother is very much distressed and suffers as a consequence of the purchase by consumers of a litre of milk in a shop or supermarket etc. when alternatives are available and more than suffice.
Causing unnecessary distress for an uneccessary product is not justifiable. If it is please convince me.

In the case of ireland where grass grows and water falls it is better than importing soy or nut milks premade and heavy from the likes of holland or the uk.

Protecting the environment means less dehabitation and plenty of animal suffering.

Less emotion and more thinking

s1ippy · 08-11-2020 4:26am

Presumably the best solution then would be to grow predominantly oats instead of keeping grass for cattle, because it's possible to produce milk from oats.

Atlantic Dawn · 08-11-2020 4:28am

nofools wrote: »

It depends a

Give me the case for ireland.

Would be less financially damaging if we got farmers not directly supplying Ireland with meat to instead grow hemp to make rope with. I shouldn't be paying carbon tax on the emissions on my car for essential journeys while some arsehole is supplying meat to a plate in China when they could produce the same product there much more sustainably.

nofools · 08-11-2020 4:29am

s1ippy wrote: »

Presumably the best solution then would be to grow predominantly oats instead of keeping grass for cattle, because it's possible to produce milk from oats.

Yeah maybe...i would turn my attention to ending human suffering first though

Pro choice, i like butter and real milk myself

08-11-2020 4:29am

auspicious wrote: »

Oat milk doesn't cause psychological distress to a mother though. A plant will not chase after it's offspring.

And the animals that are forced from their habitats/killed for said plant to grow?

nofools · 08-11-2020 4:30am

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Would be less financially damaging if we got farmers not directly supplying Ireland with meat to instead grow hemp to make rope with. I shouldn't be paying carbon tax on the emissions on my car for essentual journeys while some arsehole is supplying meat to a plate in China when they could produce the same product there much more sustainably.

And much more lucrative again to grow weed for smoking instead of boring auld hemp.

nofools · 08-11-2020 4:31am

nofools wrote: »

And much more lucrative again to grow weed for smoking instead of boring auld hemp.

But do we have the climate for it??

Atlantic Dawn · 08-11-2020 4:31am

nofools wrote: »

And much more lucrative again to grow weed for smoking instead of boring auld hemp.

A good cash crop

auspicious · 08-11-2020 4:54am

nofools wrote: »

Yeah maybe...i would turn my attention to ending human suffering first though

Pro choice, i like butter and real milk myself

But if we reach beyond human suffering, as in animal suffering, perpetrated by humans , would you not think we would be more wont to consider our differential treatment of all.
"The measure of a civilization is how it treats its weakest members.”
We can't countenance a fair worldview if we hold discriminatory values.

Gremlinertia · 08-11-2020 4:58am

Cows suffer if not milked, they now produce far more milk than one or two calves can drink, bred for it as such, full udders distress animals and can lead to illness such as mastitis.. How to tackle that is so difficult on all sorts of fronts that no one wants to tackle it.. Especially while a lot of people still want dairy, meat and leather products..

auspicious · 08-11-2020 5:16am

Gremlinertia wrote: »

Cows suffer if not milked, they now produce far more milk than one or two calves can drink, bred for it as such, full udders distress animals and can lead to illness such as mastitis.. How to tackle that is so difficult on all sorts of fronts that no one wants to tackle it.. Especially while a lot of people still want dairy, meat and leather products..

People still want dairy flesh and leather products because the overwhelming societal notion perpetuated by incomplete big business advertising lends them a place of ignorant comfort. Animals suffer for the end product. That's the part omitted from the general narrative. Sentient beings given the choice would choose to say NO. No I don't want to be subjected to your high welfare practices when it's detrimental to my being. It's not high welfare. It only undermines all integrity.
Societal values will never grow while we step on the rights of sentient creatures.

Gremlinertia · 08-11-2020 5:34am

Exactly, so now animals are a 'crop' if somehow there was a law passed tomorrow that we no longer consume these products then the animal and human suffering would be immense for some years depending on how it is handled, one thing for certain? Many, many deaths, predominantly animal..
I do drink milk and eat meat but i understand where you come from on the welfare standpoint, i'm just a sucker for temptation i guess. I just wondered how, logistically, humanely, economically and environmentally ethically we could begin to change the current situation?

y0ssar1an22 · 08-11-2020 5:40am

is palm oil the great savior?

Markcheese · 08-11-2020 6:14am

s1ippy wrote: »

Presumably the best solution then would be to grow predominantly oats instead of keeping grass for cattle, because it's possible to produce milk from oats.

It isn't .
It ain't milk , you might as well call it oat water ,
Tried it , rather not ..
Now oats with milk, I like ...

46 Long · 08-11-2020 6:18am

Is there not a dedicated forum where nutritionally deficient malcontents can ramble about this nonsense without subjecting the rest of us to it?

Markcheese · 08-11-2020 6:19am

auspicious wrote: »

But if we reach beyond human suffering, as in animal suffering, perpetrated by humans , would you not think we would be more wont to consider our differential treatment of all.
"The measure of a civilization is how it treats its weakest members.”
We can't countenance a fair worldview if we hold discriminatory values.

Back to cows are people too ?
This suffering you speak of ? Dairy farmers aren't really into promoting suffering ,

Markcheese · 08-11-2020 6:23am

46 Long wrote: »

Is there not a dedicated forum where nutritionally deficient malcontents can ramble about this nonsense without subjecting the rest of us to it?

Dont worry , auspicious is there too, gets quite offended when people don't agree with him ..

Markcheese · 08-11-2020 6:29am

Gremlinertia wrote: »

Cows suffer if not milked, they now produce far more milk than one or two calves can drink, bred for it as such, full udders distress animals and can lead to illness such as mastitis.. How to tackle that is so difficult on all sorts of fronts that no one wants to tackle it.. Especially while a lot of people still want dairy, meat and leather products..

Bred for it , and fed for it too , if cows werent fed through the winter , and pastures weren't managed there'd be plenty of emaciated cattle around ,
There'd be less calves too , as more would die of starvation or illness if not managed .,.. just kept on farms ...

US2 · 08-11-2020 6:32am

I'm on drugs, genuine thought I was tripping. Read OP about 10 times. I do like milk , drink about a litre a day .

Gremlinertia · 08-11-2020 6:32am

Markcheese wrote: »

Bred for it , and fed for it too , if cows werent fed through the winter , and pastures weren't managed there'd be plenty of emaciated cattle around ,
There'd be less calves too , as more would die of starvation or illness if not managed .,.. just kept on farms ...

See my post after that, it's exactly the problem, if one wanted a vegan world, we've bred and built something that isn't compatible and will result in animal suffering were that to change somehow.

46 Long · 08-11-2020 6:52am

auspicious wrote: »

Causing unnecessary distress for an uneccessary product is not justifiable. If it is please convince me.

Watch the clip below showing the harvesting of oats. How many umpteen billion spiders, insects, nesting birds and small rodents like mice and rats do you think get crushed and torn to pieces when a fifty tonne combine harvester bears down on them?

You don't need oat milk. It's an unnecessary product. Trust me, I've lived my whole life without it.

US2 · 08-11-2020 7:02am

SouthWesterly wrote: »

Next thing we'll have a thread telling us not to eat meat.
Of course no one gives a hoot about the poor vegetable yanked from the nice warm earth which is full of nutrients.

Or the trees chopped down to make room for the vegetables

One eyed Jack · 08-11-2020 7:18am

auspicious wrote: »

Every choice we make has an outcome. It is either positive or negative. Our choices impact the world around us. They can be insignificant or detrimental to another's wellbeing.
Advertising and societal conditioning can often, all the time, lead us to make choices which blind us to the outcomes. If we don't see the outcomes, the fallout, if we are blind to the negative repercussions, we will usually continue without thinking. Until it is pointed out.
The maternal bond begins in pregnancy.

-A closed thread in Current Affairs but it is an exquisitely current affair to some mothers.

Apart from the fact that nut milk tastes like shìt, the idea of equating women and children with cows and calves is too ridiculous to be worth entertaining. When was the last time you stood behind a cow in the queue for the bathroom or took a shìt out in the open and strolled on without a care in the world?

rapul · 08-11-2020 8:35am

Go away with your agenda at this hour on a Sunday, no one has time for that!

Necro · 08-11-2020 8:45am

Milk is good
Milk is great
I surrender myself
Unto it's fate

Ain't nobody keeping me from my daily milk that's for damn sure!

Stealing milk. MOD NOTE POST #1

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