2014 NFL Draft

Paully D · 14-04-2014 11:09pm

franglan wrote: »

Talking about Tom Savage, Gil Brant is talking about taking him in the second round as he won't be around in the third! Second round pick for a guy who attended 3 colleges and played less than 30 college games, too much of a project QB for a second rounder me thinks.

Brandt is a strange one for me. Almost every second player I read his opinion on he has him in the 1st two rounds. He must have about 150 players in his first two rounds at this stage :pac:

Chucky the tree · 14-04-2014 11:27pm

When he has Manziel as his #1 prospect it's impossible to take anything he says seriously.

Alfred Borden · 14-04-2014 11:41pm

Manziel is gonna be one of the biggest busts in a long time, i can see it now :pac:

Innish_Rebel · 15-04-2014 8:13am

It will be interesting - last year Geno Smith was the golden child - all the mocks had him going so early. Most teams are clever enough to ignore the over-hype but sometimes that club with a top 5 pick goes a bit "loopy"!!!

Paully D · 17-04-2014 1:19pm

It would be draft week if they hadn't moved it :mad:

kennyb3 · 17-04-2014 1:46pm

Feels like it will never get here. Are sky still just doing the first round?

Anywhere else you can get it on an ipad without a charge?

kennyb3 · 17-04-2014 1:57pm

Paully D wrote: »

Some interesting bets available on the draft.

To Go #1:

Clowney 6/4
Bortles 13/8
Bridgewater 6/1
Manziel 6/1

1st Guard Drafted:

Xavier Sua-Filo 1/1
David Yankey 5/4

1st Defensive Back Drafted:

Justin Gilbert 21/20
Darqueze Dennard 7/4
Ha Ha Clinton-Dix 9/4

Plenty of others here too if anything takes your fancy - http://www.oddschecker.com/american-football/nfl-specials/nfl-draft/1st-defensive-back-drafted

I think there's value in Bridgewater at 6's despite all the talk of the Texans liking Bortles at that spot. Also, I think Xavier Sua-Filo to be the first guard off the board at evens is a very nice bet.

Have had a small bet on Kyle Fuller first CB @ 66/1

boccy23 · 17-04-2014 2:15pm

kennyb3 wrote: »

Have had a small bet on Kyle Fuller first CB @ 66/1

I think 6/4 on Clowney is buying money.

That wont be there for long.

JaMarcusHustle · 17-04-2014 2:25pm

I don't know what to think of this draft class without neilster here to inform me.

SameOleJay · 17-04-2014 2:47pm

Am I right in saying the show that stopped the draft going ahead this week got called off in the end? May well be making that up.

Anyway, it’s getting painful at this stage. Repetitive analysis, anonymous slating of high prospects and ESPN generating news from ludicrous quotes from their array of nutjob analysts. It can’t come quick enough.

adrian522 · 17-04-2014 2:55pm

At least the time from the draft to preseason will be that bit shorter!

17-04-2014 4:35pm

Paully D wrote: »

It would be draft week if they hadn't moved it :mad:

ahhhhhhh why would you point that out to me :mad:

pretty bad that the radio city music hall booked over it when nfl book them for it every year.

also pretty bad that the nfl didn't have it booked and that they didn't just book somewhere else for this weekend.

all in all i don't wana wait for the draft an im gona sulk about it

HigginsJ · 17-04-2014 7:34pm

Paully D wrote: »

It would be draft week if they hadn't moved it :mad:

Knex* · 17-04-2014 7:49pm

HigginsJ wrote: »

Watch that Paully fecker. He'll be telling us how long we have to wait until the season starts next.

He revels in our torture, I tells ya!

:P

frostie500 · 18-04-2014 4:59am

HigginsJ wrote: »

Apparently the Eagles & Dolphins are in talks over a trade. The Eagles will get Dion Jordan (last years No.3 overall pick) and in return the Dolphins will get the Eagles 1st rounder this tear (No. 22 overall) & Brandon Graham

I hope to God me don't do that. I knew that Chip knows Jordan etc. but Graham has eventually turned into a really good player for us and to trade him away with a first would be ludicrous. Now if it was a first in exchange for Jordan I'd be more than happy

18-04-2014 9:51am

frostie500 wrote: »

I hope to God me don't do that. I knew that Chip knows Jordan etc. but Graham has eventually turned into a really good player for us and to trade him away with a first would be ludicrous. Now if it was a first in exchange for Jordan I'd be more than happy

I've more an issue with the 1st rounder to be honest graham is going into the last year of his contract and won't be resigned. Also he's a very very good end in a 4-3 so dissent fit our scheme any more just as Jordan dosent fit there's that's why I'm supprised there not taking graham and the 2nd

Paully D · 18-04-2014 1:36pm

Who do you all think your team will take then?

After what I'd rate as a superb offseason, the Ravens biggest needs are at safety and right tackle.

I'm thinking Taylor Lewan or Ha'Ha Clinton-Dix will be our main targets. Lewan should be there, I doubt Ha'Ha will be.

adrian522 · 18-04-2014 1:45pm

I think the 49ers draft board is rapidly being re-evaluated, still CB/WR needed but pass rusher is up there now too.

I'd still go CB in the first though.

JaMarcusHustle · 18-04-2014 1:57pm

Tight End and some depth for the aging Wilfork and Tommy Kelly at DT. Aside from that, any depth at OG/C/DE/LB/WR would be welcomed.

UnitedIrishman · 18-04-2014 2:16pm

In an ideal world Clinton-Dix would fall to us but that's just not going to happen. We'll more than likely go inside linebacker, safety, defensive tackle or tight end in the first round. By the looks of other sides needs, Ebron is going to be gone before we pick as will Clinton-Dix so that would likely leave us with someone like CJ Mosley, Ra'Shede Hageman or Calvin Pryor. Out of those I'd prefer Pryor, then Mosley and then Hageman.

We'll more than likely use one of our third round picks on a WR.

Just hope we manage to come out of the draft with some solid defensive guys that'll make plays rather than fall over at the first slight contact.

Paully D · 18-04-2014 2:31pm

JaMarcusHustle wrote: »

Tight End and some depth for the aging Wilfork and Tommy Kelly at DT. Aside from that, any depth at OG/C/DE/LB/WR would be welcomed.

Would you be happy with Jace Amaro or Ra'Shede Hageman in the first?

18-04-2014 3:04pm

Paully D wrote: »

Would you be happy with Jace Amaro or Ra'Shede Hageman in the first?

i could see them going stephen tuitt 1 and jordan matthews 2

Hulk Hands · 18-04-2014 4:11pm

boccy23 wrote: »

I think 6/4 on Clowney is buying money.

That wont be there for long.

Had a whack of that at 6/4 with youwin there this morning. Now that Schefters reporting it, I expect it'll collapse. I'll be surprised if its not odds on across the board by next weekend

JaMarcusHustle · 18-04-2014 5:12pm

Paully D wrote: »

Would you be happy with Jace Amaro or Ra'Shede Hageman in the first?

Hageman, yes.

Amaro, not so much. I'd rather Niklas in the first or Jenkins in the second.

18-04-2014 5:47pm

JaMarcusHustle wrote: »

Hageman, yes.

Amaro, not so much. I'd rather Niklas in the first or Jenkins in the second.

shurley niklas will be there late 2nd?

Onecoolcookie · 18-04-2014 8:07pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZ9ZxvnOJkU

Bridgewater QB camp, says full episode but it's only 22 minutes long so not sure what's going on there.

TO. · 18-04-2014 11:54pm

JaMarcusHustle wrote: »

I don't know what to think of this draft class without neilster here to inform me.

Not having him has ruined my NCAA and draft experience.

Paully D · 19-04-2014 12:15am

Onecoolcookie wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZ9ZxvnOJkU

Bridgewater QB camp, says full episode but it's only 22 minutes long so not sure what's going on there.

He's such a smart guy and you can't teach that. He just gets it. Even in the highlights they showed of the game in which he threw his first TD he was looking off safeties and reading defenses better than any of the other QB's in this draft can do.

The last time I saw someone have such a detailed, in-depth discussion with Gruden about plays and concepts was probably in Andrew Luck's episode.

glued · 19-04-2014 12:34am

Bridgwater's stock is only declining because people are now overreacting to considering him as the number one prospect in this draft.

I still think Johnny Manziel is going to be the best from this class.

HigginsJ · 19-04-2014 12:42am

Paully D wrote: »

He's such a smart guy and you can't teach that. He just gets it. Even in the highlights they showed of the game in which he threw his first TD he was looking off safeties and reading defenses better than any of the other QB's in this draft can do.

The last time I saw someone have such a detailed, in-depth discussion with Gruden about plays and concepts was probably in Andrew Luck's episode.

Yea I simply can't fathom how he is not a sure fire lock to go No. 1 overall. The guy will have a Luck type impact on the franchise that drafts him.

HigginsJ · 20-04-2014 7:19pm

Nice deep ball from Johnny Football.

http://instagram.com/p/m_iVrTo3Ff

Paully D · 20-04-2014 7:29pm

HigginsJ wrote: »

Nice deep ball from Johnny Football.

http://instagram.com/p/m_iVrTo3Ff

I really hope that it works out for him in the league. He reminds me so much of what I would act like if I was in his position. :pac:

davyjose · 21-04-2014 6:33am

Paully D wrote: »

I really hope that it works out for him in the league. He reminds me so much of what I would act like if I was in his position. :pac:

Ha ha, it's so true. I've got more Ryan Leaf in me than Peyton Manning.

The dedication it takes to be an NFL QB is nuts. Apparently two days after the Denver loss, Tom Brady was doing workouts with his private Strength and Conditioning coach. You hear about the hours in the film room. In 15 years, you never see a video like the one above come with Peyton or Brady or.... any QB who takes himself and the position seriously.

Syferus · 22-04-2014 1:50pm

Sure you didn't think players sit in the off-season!? Any player that's not keeping himself fit year round isn't going to last very long in the NFL or any sport.

Plenty of things exceptional about Brady but that's not one of them.

HigginsJ · 22-04-2014 11:26pm

How much of an impact will the later draft have on rookie players this year? Will the 3 or so weeks where they could have been learning play books etc. prevent them from having a good rookie season?

davyjose · 23-04-2014 12:41pm

Syferus wrote: »

Plenty of things exceptional about Brady but that's not one of them.

Well the trainer in question has numerous NFL clients, and he said Brady was the first one to visit him after his season ended -- including guys who never even made the playoffs.

I think I read it in the US Men's Health, so no linky unfortunately.

Paully D · 23-04-2014 5:52pm

Daniel Jeremiah ‏@MoveTheSticks
Talking with personnel guys, they all have the same names in their top 5: Clowney, Mack, Watkins, Robinson & Matthews. Order 1-5 varies

Depends what you're looking for I suppose, but my order on those five players would be:

1) Clowney
2) Watkins
3) Mack
4) Matthews
5) Robinson

What about you?

kennyb3 · 23-04-2014 7:49pm

Paully D wrote: »

Daniel Jeremiah ‏@MoveTheSticks
Talking with personnel guys, they all have the same names in their top 5: Clowney, Mack, Watkins, Robinson & Matthews. Order 1-5 varies

Depends what you're looking for I suppose, but my order on those five players would be:

1) Clowney
2) Watkins
3) Mack
4) Matthews
5) Robinson

What about you?

Clowney, mack, Watkins, Robinson, Matthews for me of those 5.

Interestingly no qb's.

HigginsJ · 23-04-2014 9:09pm

Paully D wrote: »

Daniel Jeremiah ‏@MoveTheSticks
Talking with personnel guys, they all have the same names in their top 5: Clowney, Mack, Watkins, Robinson & Matthews. Order 1-5 varies

Depends what you're looking for I suppose, but my order on those five players would be:

1) Clowney
2) Watkins
3) Mack
4) Matthews
5) Robinson

What about you?

Clowney & Matthews would probably be in my top 5 and I'd pass on the rest

23-04-2014 10:00pm

Paully D wrote: »

Daniel Jeremiah ‏@MoveTheSticks
Talking with personnel guys, they all have the same names in their top 5: Clowney, Mack, Watkins, Robinson & Matthews. Order 1-5 varies

Depends what you're looking for I suppose, but my order on those five players would be:

1) Clowney
2) Watkins
3) Mack
4) Matthews
5) Robinson

What about you?

Without looking at team needs if go

1.clowney
2.robinson
3.mack
4.matthews
5.watkins

(Although I'm getting to the stage where id nearly go evens before Watkins)

taidghbaby · 24-04-2014 12:01am

davyjose wrote: »

Well the trainer in question has numerous NFL clients, and he said Brady was the first one to visit him after his season ended -- including guys who never even made the playoffs.

I think I read it in the US Men's Health, so no linky unfortunately.

He needs it though :-)

JaMarcusHustle · 24-04-2014 11:00am

Brilliant from the Onion.

NEW YORK—With the 2014 NFL Draft less than a month away, sources confirmed Tuesday that GMs from across the league are closely studying a Bleacher Report slideshow titled “Ranking The Top 100 NFL Draft Prospects” before making their final decisions.

“Dammit, we had [University of Michigan offensive tackle Taylor] Lewan going top 10, but we must have missed something at the combine, because he’s ranked 17th on here,” said Baltimore Ravens GM Ozzie Newsome, frantically rearranging the team’s draft board while paging through the slideshow.

“See this? [Vanderbilt wide receiver] Jordan Matthews ‘can get open and just seems to find the ball’—forget everybody else, we have to take this guy first round. Christ, why the hell weren’t we able to find out this info from our scouting reports?”

At press time, Newsome had decided to scrap the team’s potential selections entirely after coming across a new mock draft posted on FanSided.com.

JaMarcusHustle · 24-04-2014 1:49pm

I did this over the weekend on Reddit. Won't embed it as it's huge, but it's all major/noteworthy QB's college stats going back to those eligible for the 2010 Draft. The stats are split by the following:

- Career Stats
- Stats vs Defenses ranked outside of the Top 35 FootballOutsiders DFEI Rankings (DFEI = the opponent-adjusted efficiency of the given team's
defense)
- Stats vs those ranked top 35
- Stats vs those ranked top 10

Heat map included on some of the stats. Rule of thumb is White = Good, Dark = Bad.

Image: http://i.imgur.com/LIttqxw.jpg
Excel DL: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Byq9zN34XQqTdFY1b3NHZFNBMHc/edit?usp=sharing

Obviously nothing definitive about it, and it's quite obvious that stats decline as the quality of the opposition get better. But just interesting to how some QB's have fared vs the better defenses. Russell Wilson leads many of the categories and stands out like a sore thumb.

24-04-2014 2:17pm

jesus your a glutton for punishment jamarcus great work

UnitedIrishman · 24-04-2014 3:36pm

Interesting reading JaMarcus. Spent the last half hour at work looking over all that. Just shows, given the stats and the personality and what we saw from Wilson on the whiteboard how ridiculous it was that he was passed over by so many just because of his height. His stats particularly against top 10 sides is impressive.

Edit: .. and I've just read the bottom of your post and realised you've just said that..

What do you take from this years draft class from those stats?

davyjose · 24-04-2014 3:50pm

JaMarcusHustle wrote: »

I did this over the weekend on Reddit. Won't embed it as it's huge, but it's all major/noteworthy QB's college stats going back to those eligible for the 2010 Draft. The stats are split by the following:

- Career Stats
- Stats vs Defenses ranked outside of the Top 35 FootballOutsiders DFEI Rankings (DFEI = the opponent-adjusted efficiency of the given team's
defense)
- Stats vs those ranked top 35
- Stats vs those ranked top 10

Heat map included on some of the stats. Rule of thumb is White = Good, Dark = Bad.

Image: http://i.imgur.com/LIttqxw.jpg
Excel DL: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Byq9zN34XQqTdFY1b3NHZFNBMHc/edit?usp=sharing

Obviously nothing definitive about it, and it's quite obvious that stats decline as the quality of the opposition get better. But just interesting to how some QB's have fared vs the better defenses. Russell Wilson leads many of the categories and stands out like a sore thumb.

I saw this on reddit. Great job, man.

JaMarcusHustle · 24-04-2014 3:57pm

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

What do you take from this years draft class from those stats?

Nothing particular surprising to be honest. Mainly that it's amazing how much physical attributes will do for a QB even if he doesn't have the stats and track record to go with it (I'm looking at you Logan Thomas and Tom Savage).

Picking a sleeper based on stats, it's hard to look past Tajh Boyd on value for money.

Paully D · 24-04-2014 9:41pm

La Canfora is reporting that the Falcons are spending a lot of time with Clowney.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24538302/falcons-spending-more-time-with-clowney-draft-trade-up-deal-in-works

The Atlanta Falcons will spend more time with Jadeveon Clowney on Friday.

The Falcons, who numerous league sources say remain very focused on South Carolina pass rusher Clowney, hosted him for a visit this week and are scheduled to spent more time with him Friday.

The Falcons are seen by many execs as the team most likely to trade up to first overall with Houston, with Clowney their target. Pass rush remains a big void for the team,which hopes to bounce back to Super Bowl contention after a disastrous 2013. GM Thomas Demitroff has pulled off big draft-day moves in the past and the Texans are very open to trading down, with at least three players under consideration for the top selection.

Clowney was in Atlanta on Wednesday and on Friday he will not have a full workout for them, but, according to a source, he "will do a few things on the field," with Falcons brass on campus. The Falcons are likely to work out South Carolina WR Bruce Ellington as well.

The Texans could well take Clowney is they stay at first overall, but if they trade down, Central Florida quarterback Blake Bortles would be in play, while the Texans have also spent considerable time considering Buffalo linebacker Khalil Mack, who won't be there at No. 6 overall, as well as quarterback Johnny Manziel.

Paully D · 24-04-2014 10:16pm

This Tom Savage bandwagon is ridiculous really. He's just a good size and can throw the ball very long. That's it. Anyone taking him earlier than late on day 3 is mental IMO. How on earth people can justify him as a late 1st, early 2nd rounder while keeping a straight face I will never know. Crazy.

This tweet below is fantastic from @genecollier:

The more draft analysis I read the more I'm sure #Pitt could have used a quarterback like Tom Savage

:pac:

Chucky the tree · 24-04-2014 10:23pm

Speaking of over-rated QB's. What exactly is good about Aaron Murray? Jamarcus?

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