Near Misses Volume 2 (So close you can feel it)

Seth Brundle · 22-10-2020 9:15pm

blackwhite wrote: »

Likely split responsibility

Surely it's the cyclists fault for not using a cycle path and forcing the driver to overtake?

standardg60 · 22-10-2020 9:58pm

blackwhite wrote: »

Likely split responsibility

Not supposed to overtake when there’s a solid white line. Also not supposed to overtake if there’s a side road or entrance that you’ll be over the centre line whilst passing

Equally well, not supposed to enter the roadway unless you can see it’s clear - so fault attributable to both sides if anything were to happen

Would be madness to turn on to a more primary road without checking both directions regardless which way you're turning or whether there's a solid white line. In fairness to the truck driver i don't see that he was actually proceeding, the overtaking car braked just in case.

tnegun · 22-10-2020 10:11pm

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Surely it's the cyclists fault for not using a cycle path and forcing the driver to overtake?

I reported this pass just before the first Covid lock down and got a call in early April from the garda investigating. They had made contact with the driver and I had frustrated him by not using the cycle lane forcing him to overtake me.

I couldn't believe what I was hearing the guard went on to say the lengths gone to to track down the driver and that there wasn't much more they could do.

I was fuming but there was much bigger things going on in the world so I made the point that there was no obligation for me to use the cycle lane something the guard wouldn't agree or disagree on and I just said to leave it.

Chiparus · 22-10-2020 10:17pm

tnegun wrote: »

I reported this pass just before the first Covid lock down and got a call in early April from the garda investigating. They had made contact with the driver and I had frustrated him by not using the cycle lane forcing him to overtake me.

I couldn't believe what I was hearing the guard went on to say the lengths gone to to track down the driver and that there wasn't much more they could do.

I was fuming but there was much bigger things going on in the world so I made the point that there was no obligation for me to use the cycle lane something the guard wouldn't agree or disagree on and I just said to leave it.

I wonder can you get the drivers insurance details?

standardg60 · 22-10-2020 10:23pm

tnegun wrote: »

I reported this pass just before the first Covid lock down and got a call in early April from the garda investigating. They had made contact with the driver and I had frustrated him by not using the cycle lane forcing him to overtake me.

I couldn't believe what I was hearing the guard went on to say the lengths gone to to track down the driver and that there wasn't much more they could do.

I was fuming but there was much bigger things going on in the world so I made the point that there was no obligation for me to use the cycle lane something the guard wouldn't agree or disagree on and I just said to leave it.

Just goes to show it all depends on who the guard is, someone actually interested in doing justice to their job or the next line in the family getting the handy number.

tnegun · 22-10-2020 10:29pm

Chiparus wrote: »

I wonder can you get the drivers insurance details?

Unfortunately being a d1ck and trying to intimidate a cyclist by driving up to their back wheel then beeping and passing too close isn't something you can claim for!

micar · 22-10-2020 10:40pm

tnegun wrote: »

the guard went on to say the lengths gone to to track down the driver and that there wasn't much more they could do.

Surely, it doesn't take long to find out the address the car registered to.

tnegun · 22-10-2020 10:52pm

They gave me some speil about getting the local guard to make contact and call to the house as the car was registered to a woman and I had reported a male driver - I had had words with him at a the next set of lights and his attitude convienced me to report it - anyway it was his wifes car and he had a long day at work or something then I got in his way forcing him to pass and he temporarialy lost his cool as there was a cycle lane I should of been using. I was getting angry myself listening to this and then I was told about how much effort went into getting me this story like I was expected to apologize for wasting their time! As I said it was early covid so I was aware the guards time was better spent than arguing with me so I just let it go on he basis that this guy now knew the guards could come knocking.

magicbastarder · 22-10-2020 11:00pm

Chiparus wrote: »

I wonder can you get the drivers insurance details?

to what end? there's nothing actionable, insurance wise, there.

padjocollins · 23-10-2020 6:14am

avid cyclist here . Why didn't you use the cycle lane ? Still no excuse for the drivers dangerous behaviour.

AndrewJRenko · 23-10-2020 6:46am

padjocollins wrote: »

avid cyclist here . Why didn't you use the cycle lane ? Still no excuse for the drivers dangerous behaviour.

Avid drivist here, with 25 reasons not to use cycle lanes.
https://irishcycle.com/2015/11/05/images-25-reasons-why-cyclists-dont-use-cycle-lanes

VonLuck · 23-10-2020 7:28am

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Avid drivist here, with 25 reasons not to use cycle lanes.
https://irishcycle.com/2015/11/05/images-25-reasons-why-cyclists-dont-use-cycle-lanes

I think he was asking specifically about that cycle lane, unless all 25 of those reasons apply!

CramCycle · 23-10-2020 12:02pm

padjocollins wrote: »

avid cyclist here . Why didn't you use the cycle lane ? Still no excuse for the drivers dangerous behaviour.

Shared space, very dangerous to use. You can even see a ped and dog using it in the video. Far safer for everyone to use the road. Also loose priority at every junction there.

tnegun · 23-10-2020 5:20pm

padjocollins wrote: »

avid cyclist here . Why didn't you use the cycle lane ? Still no excuse for the drivers dangerous behaviour.

Its just awful, kerbs, junctions, dogs and people walking in it plus two roundabouts you need to get through but have been dumped on a side road.

Seth Brundle · 23-10-2020 5:31pm

padjocollins wrote: »

avid cyclist here . Why didn't you use the cycle lane ? Still no excuse for the drivers dangerous behaviour.

With extremely few exceptions, cycle lanes in Ireland are not designed for cyclists, nor are the designers familiar with cycling - this is obvious from their design.
To date, most cycle lanes are designed to help ensure that vehicles don't get delayed, no other reason. In many cases, cycle lanes can decrease safety for bike users.
The government know this (and to date have done nothing much about it) but it is for this reason that they are not mandatory.

padjocollins · 23-10-2020 5:58pm

Seth Brundle wrote: »

With extremely few exceptions, cycle lanes in Ireland are not designed for cyclists, nor are the designers familiar with cycling - this is obvious from their design.
To date, most cycle lanes are designed to help ensure that vehicles don't get delayed, no other reason. In many cases, cycle lanes can decrease safety for bike users.
The government know this (and to date have done nothing much about it) but it is for this reason that they are not mandatory.

should have qualified my comment with . Avid cyclist in germany. no comparison to Ireland, unfortunately.

Breezer · 23-10-2020 8:03pm

Lad on an electric scooter coming salmoning up the now protected, one way cycle lane on Church Street this evening, with vehicular traffic proceeding along on the other side of the bollards. I stopped dead and then eased past him as he gawked at me with his mouth open.

ED E · 23-10-2020 8:05pm

Breezer wrote: »

Lad on an electric scooter coming salmoning up the now protected, one way cycle lane on Church Street this evening, with vehicular traffic proceeding along on the other side of the bollards. I stopped dead and then eased past him as he gawked at me with his mouth open.

Lad who looks like he's been through 40yrs of substance abuse flying around on one on pedestrian routes all day today. Surprised to see the helmet.

tnegun · 23-10-2020 9:40pm

padjocollins wrote: »

should have qualified my comment with . Avid cyclist in germany. no comparison to Ireland, unfortunately.

I had a look back over the stuff I'd uploaded to streamable for incidents caused by using or occurring in cycle lanes here's a few showing the general state of cycle lanes in these country and these are probably some of our better ones! Certainly some were only a few weeks/months old in these videos.

Pinched

Plenty of room to squeeze in a lane here

Brand new lane complete with signs and traffic signals bonus pedestrian at the end

I'm turning left now

I'm going left now

Me too

Another pinch

Another brand new lane You can't really see it but just were the video starts it was decided to put a bus stop in the new lane after it was completed despite loads of room to do both at the planning stage!

Same lane another reason not to use it

Not using the same lane here encourages stupid passes so that you'll use it the next time I think is the logic

Another new lane being used as a turning bay

Bike what bike???

Two for one close call with car and truck then poor transition from brand new lane to the road.

23-10-2020 10:07pm

Is it just me or is streamable an absolute pox for buffering ?

monty_python · 23-10-2020 10:30pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Is it just me or is streamable an absolute pox for buffering ?

It's the same for me

23-10-2020 10:35pm

monty_python wrote: »

It's the same for me

I watch my wifi icon in the system tray on the bottom right of my desktop when I click a link and it goes down to zero bars !!!! I'm going to have to have a good look into that, I've never seen any other website do that even if it's buffering and slow.

tnegun · 23-10-2020 10:48pm

Normally its fine for me but seems to be something up with it tonight

Seth Brundle · 23-10-2020 11:04pm

tnegun wrote: »

I had a look back over the stuff I'd uploaded to streamable for incidents caused by using or occurring in cycle lanes here's a few showing the general state of cycle lanes in these country and these are probably some of our better ones! Certainly some were only a few weeks/months old in these videos.

Pinched

Plenty of room to squeeze in a lane here

Brand new lane complete with signs and traffic signals bonus pedestrian at the end

I'm turning left now

I'm going left now

Me too

Another pinch

Another brand new lane You can't really see it but just were the video starts it was decided to put a bus stop in the new lane after it was completed despite loads of room to do both at the planning stage!

Same lane another reason not to use it

Not using the same lane here encourages stupid passes so that you'll use it the next time I think is the logic

Another new lane being used as a turning bay

Bike what bike???

Two for one close call with car and truck then poor transition from brand new lane to the road.

When I first saw the one near Maynooth, I decided to never use it. The end if it is a death trap!
The one along the new road outside Intel is poor mainly because of the merge onto the road. People on bikes are given no merging room and are directed out into manholes on a slight bend. You're better off on the road IMO.

tnegun · 23-10-2020 11:46pm

Yeah there are some pretty poor ones around Maynooth, I stay out of most now and can say I've given them a chance! There was a cyclist down on the Straffen road this afternoon at one of the lanes that gives right of way across an entrance to an estate was left hooked and the bike crushed. Thankfully he was up and about but with comments that he was traveling too fast for the driver to see :rolleyes:

buffalo · 24-10-2020 5:44am

tnegun wrote: »

Yeah there are some pretty poor ones around Maynooth, I stay out of most now and can say I've given them a chance! There was a cyclist down on the Straffen road this afternoon at one of the lanes that gives right of way across an entrance to an estate was left hooked and the bike crushed. Thankfully he was up and about but with comments that he was traveling too fast for the driver to see :rolleyes:

"Cyclist achieves faster than light speed travel"

BoardsMember · 24-10-2020 7:05pm

Cycling up Kellystown Road earlier with son. Coming up to this corner: https://maps.app.goo.gl/Uo5Zy4o5UWJNnVDb7

Going slowly after the long pull up the hill. Coming to the blind and I hear car behind. I hear it drop down gears, assuming its going to go really slow while we round the completely blind bend. Then the revs raise. So I turn and hold my hand up, taking the middle of the road, telling them to stop. I decide to idle back to have a word.

He rolls down window. Very politely I ask "were you really planning overtaking us on a blind bend". For those who don't know it, only one car fits the width of the road. He considers his response "you should use the main road". Drives off.

CramCycle · 24-10-2020 9:43pm

BoardsMember wrote: »

He rolls down window. Very politely I ask "were you really planning overtaking us on a blind bend". For those who don't know it, only one car fits the width of the road. He considers his response "you should use the main road". Drives off.

Dear f*cking lord, you really cannot win. On the main road you'd be given out too for not using quieter roads. Use quieter roads and you get this sh1t. Cycle on the path and people give you dirty looks because whether you sow down or not for passing them to close, you cycle on the road to avoid pissing off peds and you have motorists trying to skim you even though they can see the lane is blocked by others.

What do people f*cking want.

Hope your son is OK

sy_flembeck · 24-10-2020 10:15pm

CramCycle wrote: »

Dear f*cking lord, you really cannot win. On the main road you'd be given out too for not using quieter roads. Use quieter roads and you get this sh1t. Cycle on the path and people give you dirty looks because whether you sow down or not for passing them to close, you cycle on the road to avoid pissing off peds and you have motorists trying to skim you even though they can see the lane is blocked by others.

What do people f*cking want.

Hope your son is OK

With the ongoing saga on the Dun Laoghaire open forum on FB over the new cycle tracks you have one fool reckoning that cyclists congregating (in groups) are spreading Covid 19 wherever they go (this is pre level 3). Another one - a persistent whinger, claiming NOT to be anti-cyclist, reckons that rather than them being on the road they should be on a raised structure on stilts along the coast - the glaring dangers seemingly passing him by. You'd really have to wonder how some people's minds work.

micar · 24-10-2020 10:31pm

sy_flembeck wrote: »

With the ongoing saga on the Dun Laoghaire open forum on FB over the new cycle tracks you have one fool reckoning that cyclists congregating (in groups) are spreading Covid 19 wherever they go (this is pre level 3). Another one - a persistent whinger, claiming NOT to be anti-cyclist, reckons that rather than them being on the road they should be on a raised structure on stilts along the coast - the glaring dangers seemingly passing him by. You'd really have to wonder how some people's minds work.

The I've no problem with cyclists attitude......but don't be cycling anywhere around me

BoardsMember · 24-10-2020 11:05pm

CramCycle wrote: »

Dear f*cking lord, you really cannot win. On the main road you'd be given out too for not using quieter roads. Use quieter roads and you get this sh1t. Cycle on the path and people give you dirty looks because whether you sow down or not for passing them to close, you cycle on the road to avoid pissing off peds and you have motorists trying to skim you even though they can see the lane is blocked by others.

What do people f*cking want.

Hope your son is OK

Son is fine, blissfully unaware, didn't see the big deal at all. Oh to be a dreamer teenager. There wasn't a near miss, or an issue really, so nothing for him to be bothered about, to be fair. Just a really stupid dude, too small minded to admit he maybe should have approached things differently, and too thick to come up with a retort that made any sense at all.

breezy1985 · 25-10-2020 12:30am

Some lads on the GAA forums tonight complaining that the new yellow flou sliotars are too hard to see.

Weepsie · 25-10-2020 2:24pm

One I witnessed this morn

I had a car over take me on the river road missing an oncoming car by inches. I was sure I was about to witness a serious crash and had braced myself to bail and all. First time I didn't have a camera in a while too. It was an absolutely ridiculous place to attempt the overtake, and they carried on even after I stuck my arm out to warn them to hold back.

I don't want to be hit, but I sure as hell don't won't to be ringing for an ambulance for someone else's f*ckwittery

bazermc · 25-10-2020 3:35pm

More bonkers parking up by hell fire club/Masseys wood this morning.

Double yellow lines don’t apply on a Sunday right?

CramCycle · 25-10-2020 4:26pm

bazermc wrote: »

More bonkers parking up by hell fire club/Masseys wood this morning.

Double yellow lines don’t apply on a Sunday right?

Any chance of the fuzz popping up there, you'd think after the number of times the fire brigade and ambulances have gotten caught up that way by w@nkers parking badly that they would be more proactive. Young Garda Reilly could spin up at the start of the shift, ticket 40 cars and spend the rest of his shift writing them up if he has nothing else to be at.

Stark · 25-10-2020 4:35pm

They were ticketing people for a while there and the problem looked to have gone away for a good while.

KevRossi · 25-10-2020 7:59pm

Ho-Lee-Shyte !!! :eek::eek::eek:

Translation:
This is absolutely my biggest nightmare and cities like Cologne are still building infrastructure that plans for these types of accidents.

https://twitter.com/PJUllrich/status/1319600970632921091

CramCycle · 25-10-2020 8:42pm

KevRossi wrote: »

Ho-Lee-Shyte !!! :eek::eek::eek:

Translation:
This is absolutely my biggest nightmare and cities like Cologne are still building infrastructure that plans for these types of accidents.

https://twitter.com/PJUllrich/status/1319600970632921091

Holy f*ck, there can't have been 5cm between the wheel and his head, that was insane.

magicbastarder · 25-10-2020 8:46pm

i have seen that video being used on twitter as a 'cyclists! wear helmets!' message, but thankfully the general reaction was 'you watched that video and think the main thing that would have prevented harm was a helmet?'

Pinch Flat · 25-10-2020 8:52pm

I must have missed the update in the recent rules of the road. Apparently if you need to overtake cyclists in one of the biggest city parks in Europe, you just barge by and expect what's ever coming against you to stop. Happened to be on early circuits of the Phoenix park on about half a dozen times. Absolutely wedged with cars and abandoned everywhere, even where there was lines of bollards with no parking in them

Weepsie · 25-10-2020 8:59pm

Pinch Flat wrote: »

I must have missed the update in the recent rules of the road. Apparently if you need to overtake cyclists in one of the biggest city parks in Europe, you just barge by and expect what's ever coming against you to stop. Happened to be on early circuits of the Phoenix park on about half a dozen times. Absolutely wedged with cars and abandoned everywhere, even where there was lines of bollards with no parking in them

What time were you there?

I was there from 9.15-10.45ish. I left due to the volumes of traffic and people pulling out without looking. It stopped being enjoyable.

Saw a garda car nearly take out a cyclist, though they were indicating to turn right, and the cyclist went to overtake on the right for some reason

Had another few drivers going very. very slowly evidently looking for parking.

Had some incidents of cyclists coming right at me in my lane too, and some making very sudden changes in their line when I had nowhere to go.

Pinch Flat · 25-10-2020 11:41pm

Was there in the early afternoon. had someone pull out from Ashtown castle in front of me when I had right of way with minutes of arriving, so that set the scene. Also had someone overtake me at the wellington monument - I was trying to get to the green cycle lane. Car overtook me and mounted in the cycle lane in use. 2 clear wheels on it, with bikes coming against the car. Families. kids. Lots of close passing going up by the upper glen roads - because of the cars parked either side and the amount of cyclists, cars were just buzzing through _ was paranoid about getting doored so was keeping out. One motorist got impatient an stared beeping at a family crossing at the zoo - that desperately needs a pedestrian crossing as it's an accident waiting to happen - same motorist sped up to cut off the three cyclists heading out at the round about towards park gate street. All in all an unnecessarily unpleasant and stressful experience. It's a public park FFS.

Enduro · 25-10-2020 11:54pm

Not that it's any consolation, but its not just when cycling. Any non-motorist peasants can be ignored apparently. Today I got hit -twice- by wing mirrors whilst running (Glencullen area). Not wearing a helmet, so probably my own fault. Some people just don't give a crap.

Parking was also nuts around Tibradden and Cruagh. The cops really should do a sweep the next sunny weekend day. The parking fines could go a long way to paying for the lockdown!

Away With The Fairies · 26-10-2020 1:39am

Not a near miss but more of a rant. Was cycling on a road with traffic islands every few hundred metres.

Was cycling past one of them, staying on the left hand side of the road when a car decides to join up with me. Leaving very little space between myself and the car. Scary wondering are they going to hit you being so close.

Seth Brundle · 26-10-2020 2:08am

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Not a near miss but more of a rant. Was cycling on a road with traffic islands every few hundred metres.

Was cycling past one of them, staying on the left hand side of the road when a car decides to join up with me. Leaving very little space between myself and the car. Scary wondering are they going to hit you being so close.

If there's a risk of you being left short of space by an overtaking car then take Primary Position on the road until they can pass you safely.
https://irishcycle.com/2019/08/07/you-can-cycle-in-the-centre-of-the-road-says-revised-rules-of-the-road/

Away With The Fairies · 26-10-2020 2:35am

Seth Brundle wrote: »

If there's a risk of you being left short of space by an overtaking car then take Primary Position on the road until they can pass you safely.
https://irishcycle.com/2019/08/07/you-can-cycle-in-the-centre-of-the-road-says-revised-rules-of-the-road/

Very good, thanks for this. I didn't know I can do this. But I'm guessing now that I do know, will I have drivers being dícks and giving me the horn to move? But fcuk them, I'll cycle in a safe way.

breezy1985 · 26-10-2020 10:46am

Was thinking yesterday when out on country roads. What is all the hedgerow on Irish roadsides for. Is it to protect farmers land and would it be a problem to clear it on narrow bends to help viability?

Duckjob · 26-10-2020 10:48am

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Very good, thanks for this. I didn't know I can do this. But I'm guessing now that I do know, will I have drivers being dícks and giving me the horn to move? But fcuk them, I'll cycle in a safe way.

No doubt you will, but when they do, consider that if somebody blasts you with the horn while you're taking primary position in limited space you know you've successfully blocked an incompetent and dangerous driver from endangering your life for the sake of a couple of seconds (or, as is the sad reality with a lot of bad driver maneuvres, for the sake of absolutely no benefit at all)

Good and competent drivers will recognise that there was never a opportunity to make a proper safe overtake anyway so by riding where you are you're not blocking them from anything.

Seth Brundle · 26-10-2020 10:51am

breezy1985 wrote: »

Was thinking yesterday when out on country roads. What is all the hedgerow on Irish roadsides for. Is it to protect farmers land and would it be a problem to clear it on narrow be ds to help viability?

Not really in my opinion.
The advice is that you drive/ride/whatever in a manner in which you can stop within your line of vision. Hedgerows will grow and can't be cut during the nesting season (when they grow quickest) so people should travel safely.
If people want to travel fast in a car then they need to be responsible about it.

AndrewJRenko · 26-10-2020 11:00am

breezy1985 wrote: »

Was thinking yesterday when out on country roads. What is all the hedgerow on Irish roadsides for. Is it to protect farmers land and would it be a problem to clear it on narrow be ds to help viability?

It would certainly be a problem for all the wildlife that live in the hedgerow. It would probably result in drivers doing higher speeds on average too.

Near Misses Volume 2 (So close you can feel it)

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