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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,844 ✭✭✭py2006


    c.p.w.g.w wrote: »
    A friend works in social care/child development who normally does home visits and domestic abuse has sky rocketed in one praticular part of society, can't say it as I'll get banned...

    Don't be silly, spill


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    c.p.w.g.w wrote: »
    A friend works in social care/child development who normally does home visits and domestic abuse has sky rocketed in one praticular part of society, can't say it as I'll get banned...
    py2006 wrote:
    Don't be silly, spill

    Pretty much. Just don't make any insulting remarks, and there would be no reason for any kind of ban.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,994 ✭✭✭c.p.w.g.w


    py2006 wrote: »
    Don't be silly, spill

    Let's say Peter Casey isn't a fan


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,844 ✭✭✭py2006


    None the wiser


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,477 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    py2006 wrote: »
    None the wiser

    Irish ethnic minority.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    https://twitter.com/IanBroughall/status/1291347151147204608
    A number of people on Twitter are saying she shouldn't have been charged and she was only charged because she was a woman. I find that hard to believe: if a man hit a woman with a lamp when she was sleeping, I doubt he would get that much sympathy. I certainly have little sympathy for people who hit others when they are sleeping.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    Vetting? What Vetting?

    In 2017, Welsh grandmother Anne O’Regan complained to the EHRC (Equality and Human Rights Commission) about the Dyn Project, a Welsh domestic abuse service for men operated by Safer Wales and supported by the Welsh Government. She complained that the service was discriminating against men by subjecting callers to a vetting procedure, something not done for female callers to similar helplines. Despite the complaint being directed through her Welsh Assembly member, the EHRC’s initial reaction was that there was no basis for the complaint. The EHRC Wales Commissioner’s office initially replied,

    “The Dyn Project provides support to Heterosexual, Gay, Bisexual and Trans men who are experiencing Domestic abuse from a partner. The Dyn Project has developed five guiding principles for its work with men. These include that a clear screening protocol is essential in order to identify, and respond appropriately, to counter-allegations. Screening is not commonplace within services for women because women constitute the overwhelming majority of those abused.”

    http://empathygap.uk/?p=3286

    I wonder does such screening of male callers happen in Ireland?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    iptba wrote: »
    http://empathygap.uk/?p=3286

    I wonder does such screening of male callers happen in Ireland?
    Some more from this long blog post:


    There is much that is valid within the Toolkit, for example the description of the sorts of abuse which men face in section 2.1, some of which are specific to being male. In particular it is significant that forms of abuse which use children as weapons are included here, such as “telling him if he tries to leave he will never see the children again”. The inclusion of sexual coercion or belittlement is also to be applauded in this section. Also listed is “telling him that nobody will believe him because he is a man”. Unfortunately that is likely to be true, and ironically this very Toolkit promotes precisely that.

    There is a new section on toxic masculinity which they redub as “harmful expressions of masculinities” because, apparently, they have noticed that we unwashed idiots seemed to be getting the impression that “toxic masculinity” means that men are toxic. Allow me to return the compliment. Supergluing the adjective “toxic” to “masculinity” is itself harmful – and you, feminist lobby, did it. Deliberately. However, there is truth in this section too. For example it is observed that…

    Perpetrators might use the expectation of gendered roles to abuse, this might take any of the following forms;
    • • If you were a real man you wouldn’t put up with this
    • • If you were a real man you’d provide better for your family
    • • If you were a real man you would be able to satisfy me sexually

    But, I ask you, why is this not called toxic femininity? Why does it appear in a Section on toxic masculinity?

    The reason is that the feminist mindset adheres firmly to the ancient gender scripts, despite the pretence to be the exact opposite. Feminism still insists on seeing men alone as agentic when it comes to causing harms. So, the above example of female perpetrated abuse becomes reinterpreted as the fault of toxic masculinity. To quote a survey of male victims, one abusive female partner said, “why do you make me hit you?”. There’s denial of agency for you – denial of responsibility, that is. Under feminism, women must never be perceived as the primary aggressor, and this is why “believe the victim” prevails in the female domestic abuse services. The exact opposite – suspicion – applies to male complainants because men are the approved recipients of blame. The vetting of male callers is a manifestation of the ancient gender script.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    High Court told daughter poses 'serious risk' to mother's life
    Updated / Wednesday, 9 Sep 2020 15:58
    https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2020/0909/1164211-high-court-daughter-threat/
    The court heard the matter was taken very seriously by gardaí and state agencies and it was felt the teenager's mother should be re-housed outside her current county.
    There is a prior history of assault and sexual violence in the case and an incident earlier in 2019 led to the woman's admission to special care.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    Just watched a bit of the Jihad Jane documentary that someone else is watching here (i.e. I don’t know much about the context). A man discussing one of the cases said it was like she was suffering from battered woman syndrome. Pretty obvious but you don’t hear much of battered man syndrome at all including in the context that it might be a mitigating factor in a crime.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    (UK)
    Charities dealing with men who suffer domestic abuse have seen pleas for help jump by up to 60% during the lockdown.

    The Respect Men's Advice Line said some victims had told them they had sought refuge by sleeping in cars or in tents in the gardens of friends or relatives.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-54237409


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    Joyce Fegan: Covid-19 did not cause the surge in domestic violence
    We are all more stressed because of Covid-19, but that cannot be blamed for the increase in domestic and sexual violence
    https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40073114.html

    Skimming down this, it looks like it only mentions female victims?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    RTÉ coverage of Johnny Depp case. No mention of Amber Heard’s violence.
    https://www.rte.ie/news/uk/2020/1102/1175400-johnny-depp-amber-heard/
    Perhaps this is for legal reasons but this wasn’t a case from what I have read where the violence was all in one direction.


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    iptba wrote: »
    RTÉ coverage of Johnny Depp case. No mention of Amber Heard’s violence.
    https://www.rte.ie/news/uk/2020/1102/1175400-johnny-depp-amber-heard/
    Perhaps this is for legal reasons but this wasn’t a case from what I have read where the violence was all in one direction.

    Nope. It's a very one sided account.. listing the negative stuff that Depp said, but not listing the equally nasty things Heard said. Or did.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    iptba wrote: »
    RTÉ coverage of Johnny Depp case. No mention of Amber Heard’s violence.
    https://www.rte.ie/news/uk/2020/1102/1175400-johnny-depp-amber-heard/
    Perhaps this is for legal reasons but this wasn’t a case from what I have read where the violence was all in one direction.
    I see there is already a specific thread on this case:
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058050391 so probably best if the discussion continues there (but I'm not a moderator).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    iptba wrote: »
    Some more from this long blog post:

    • If you were a real man you wouldn’t put up with this


    There's a lot of truth in it. I know of two men are suffering/suffered horrendous spousal abuse and it applies, neither of them ever had enough spine to stand up for themselves and its how they wound up in an abusive relationship in the first place.


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    Bambi wrote: »
    • If you were a real man you wouldn’t put up with this


    There's a lot of truth in it. I know of two men are suffering/suffered horrendous spousal abuse and it applies, neither of them ever had enough spine to stand up for themselves and its how they wound up in an abusive relationship in the first place.

    I think it's too easy to say things like this as someone standing on the outside looking in. I've had abusive partners, and while I didn't allow it to continue for long, I can see how someone could become trapped, for all manner of reasons. We really need to inject a little more sympathy into society for men... and less of this expectation that everyone "should be a man". Society has changed considerably even during my lifestime, and I know quite a few guys who wouldn't have been raised to be "manly", but rather to give in to females at every turn.

    Women love to go on about how in the past, other women were held down by men, but the simple truth is that most of us were raised by our mothers, sisters, etc.. they had a great degree of influence over how we grew up, and that's even stronger now. Nah. Let's encourage society to be more sympathetic to men, and the problems they face, since, God knows, we're expected to do the same for women.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    I was just reading about this bizarre and ridiculous claim from last year:
    In the context of a debate in the House of Commons on the Domestic Abuse Bill (on which I have posted previously) the Parliamentary Under Secretary of State for Crime, Safeguarding and Vulnerability, Victoria Atkins, made this statement,

    “…of the 2 million victims, we estimate that around 1.3 million are female and around 695,000 are male, and within that 695,000 we believe – it is very difficult to identify this, and there are problems in doing so – that the majority of perpetrators are male.”
    This blogger uses numerous different sources to show it's not true:
    http://empathygap.uk/?p=2952


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    Covid-19: Sharp increase in women and children fleeing domestic violence
    Average of almost 2,000 women and 411 children in receipt of support each month

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/covid-19-sharp-increase-in-women-and-children-fleeing-domestic-violence-1.4404850

    I'm sorry to hear this. But this organisation only supports women and children. So this story doesn't give the full picture.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    isolation unit run by the HSE and Safetynet Primary Care
    The Dublin centre, in operation since May, provides shelter to some of the most vulnerable people who may have contracted Covid-19 or need somewhere to self-isolate. Its residents include members of the Roma and Travelling community, women in domestic abuse situations, refugees who have arrived through family reunification, Irish people who have been repatriated home but don’t have anywhere to stay and people sleeping rough.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-quarantine-centre-many-are-completely-destitute-they-have-nothing-1.4405527

    So a HSE service only providing a service to women but not men in domestic abuse situations. But other men are welcome, just not those in domestic abuse situations.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    https://twitter.com/greenparty_ie/status/1331613205823680512?s=20
    I wonder whether much will be included for those who are willing to provide support for male victims of domestic abuse who currently get a paltry amount compared to the amount given to those who support women and (some) children.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    One in five young [female*] people aged 25 or younger have experienced abuse by a current or former partner, a study commissioned by Women’s Aid has found.
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/one-in-five-young-people-have-experienced-abuse-by-partner-study-finds-1.4419015

    * The report clarifies that this is one in 5 females https://www.womensaid.ie/assets/files/pdf/one_in_five_women_report_womens_aid_2020.pdf
    For men, one in 11 reported experiencing some form of abuse by a current or former partner. The research, conducted by RedC on behalf of the domestic abuse charity, surveyed a representative sample of 500 people aged between 18 and 25.

    Sarah Benson, chief executive of Women’s Aid, said the findings were “stark and disturbing”.

    “It is a heavily gendered phenomenon. It is particularly women who suffer at the hands of male partners or former partners,” she said.

    So 35% (11/31) of the victims were male. Not that gendered compared to domestic violence funding.

    And this was a study commissioned by Women's Aid so there is a possibility that they are being selective in what they report.
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/one-in-five-young-people-have-experienced-abuse-by-partner-study-finds-1.4419015


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,202 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Good storyline in Eastenders at the moment:


    Why Mick Carter’s historic abuse ordeal in EastEnders could last months


    Watching it now and it shows that they’ve really done their research. Fair play to everyone involved.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    I watched "Ireland Under Lockdown: COVID-19 Stories" that was broadcast on TV3 on Tuesday.
    Among other things, it mentioned there was an increase in domestic violence because of the lockdown.
    The helpline manager from Women's Aid was interviewed along with the CMO, Tony Holohan.
    You don't get to say that much in TV interviews but the helpline manager kept mentioning women: she may only have said maybe 150-200 words but said women may be 8 times.

    The chief medical officer said
    "we feared these realities would arise for some women and some families in difficult situations where the use of alcohol and so on would become a domestic rather than a public thing".

    No mention of male victims.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    (UK)
    The Male Psychology Conference, 2019

    [..]

    Mark Brooks OBE (Chairman of Mankind Initiative), “Male friendly services for DV”: I’ve heard Mark talk probably half a dozen times, but this was particularly good. Mankind Initiative now has a contract from the Home Office to deliver training to all police forces on how to handle DV against male victims. Mark gave us a quick run-through of the headline stats on DV which I won’t repeat fully as readers will be familiar with most of them. 11% of male victims compared with 7.2% of female victims attempt suicide. Mankind Initiative had 1400 male callers in 2018 and 500 female callers calling on behalf of a man (reading these stats approximately off a graph). The number of callers increased when the availability of the helpline was increased (to 2 staff). Despite that, 25% of callers were unable to get through. Hence, the indication is that demand is still exceeding capacity. Average call length 33 minutes. Over half had never told anyone before. 69% would not have called had the service not been anonymous. 97% involved a female perpetrator. Average age 43 (range 20 to 81). Average duration of abuse 6 years (longest 20 years). 64% involved physical abuse. 92,704 people had accessed the web site last year, with 198,221 page hits.

    http://empathygap.uk/?p=2889


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    iptba wrote: »
    (UK)

    The Male Psychology Conference, 2019

    [..]
    Mark Brooks OBE (Chairman of Mankind Initiative), “Male friendly services for DV”: I’ve heard Mark talk probably half a dozen times, but this was particularly good. Mankind Initiative now has a contract from the Home Office to deliver training to all police forces on how to handle DV against male victims. Mark gave us a quick run-through of the headline stats on DV which I won’t repeat fully as readers will be familiar with most of them. 11% of male victims compared with 7.2% of female victims attempt suicide. Mankind Initiative had 1400 male callers in 2018 and 500 female callers calling on behalf of a man (reading these stats approximately off a graph). The number of callers increased when the availability of the helpline was increased (to 2 staff). Despite that, 25% of callers were unable to get through. Hence, the indication is that demand is still exceeding capacity. Average call length 33 minutes. Over half had never told anyone before. 69% would not have called had the service not been anonymous. 97% involved a female perpetrator. Average age 43 (range 20 to 81). Average duration of abuse 6 years (longest 20 years). 64% involved physical abuse. 92,704 people had accessed the web site last year, with 198,221 page hits.

    http://empathygap.uk/?p=2889
    Alex Skeel’s story, “Abused By My Girlfriend”*, is still on iPlayer as of 22/6/19 and was strongly recommended by Mark. He noted that whenever there was a documentary like this, or a DV storyline on a soap, the number of hits on the Mankind Initiative website soars. The Skeel story caused more than a tripling of hits the day after airing. The Mankind Initiative helpline is “manned” by women (in fact all their staff are women). Male DV victims have no difficulty talking to women. (I’ve never thought about this before, but I doubt that women DV victims would be so happy talking to a man – or am I wrong? Woman’s Aid and Refuge, of course, don’t give them that option in any case). Mark noted an increasing number of male survivors of DV are coming forward to offer to volunteer for the charity.

    Mark then moved on to the political dimension, referring to the iniquity of male victims being hidden under the VAWG label in the CPS’s annual VAWG reports. Similarly, what message did it send that the mental health of men & boys falls under the Women & Equalities Select Committee? Mark had some hard words to say about the push to get the new DV Bill to include the statement that DV “disproportionately affects women & girls”, backed by the EHRC. But Mark reserved his most intense ire for the 1,384 members of the BPS who voted against having a male psychology section (cf. 2,829 in favour). He said he would like to ask each and every one of them exactly what their motivation could possibly be for voting down the creation of a male section when a female section already existed? I couldn’t agree more. Mark closed with a plea to get “our research” (referring to the whole audience) to the policy makers, the media & civil servants. It’s no good just sounding off into the usual echo chamber. Great talk.

    *I found it online here https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x72olk7


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    Domestic abuse victims to be allowed seek barring orders remotely

    Remote hearings will be possible from at least 26 women’s refuges under new plan
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/domestic-abuse-victims-to-be-allowed-seek-barring-orders-remotely-1.4446060


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    iptba wrote: »
    Alex Skeel’s story, “Abused By My Girlfriend”*, is still on iPlayer as of 22/6/19 and was strongly recommended by Mark. He noted that whenever there was a documentary like this, or a DV storyline on a soap, the number of hits on the Mankind Initiative website soars. The Skeel story caused more than a tripling of hits the day after airing. The Mankind Initiative helpline is “manned” by women (in fact all their staff are women). Male DV victims have no difficulty talking to women. (I’ve never thought about this before, but I doubt that women DV victims would be so happy talking to a man – or am I wrong? Woman’s Aid and Refuge, of course, don’t give them that option in any case). Mark noted an increasing number of male survivors of DV are coming forward to offer to volunteer for the charity.

    Mark then moved on to the political dimension, referring to the iniquity of male victims being hidden under the VAWG label in the CPS’s annual VAWG reports. Similarly, what message did it send that the mental health of men & boys falls under the Women & Equalities Select Committee? Mark had some hard words to say about the push to get the new DV Bill to include the statement that DV “disproportionately affects women & girls”, backed by the EHRC. But Mark reserved his most intense ire for the 1,384 members of the BPS who voted against having a male psychology section (cf. 2,829 in favour). He said he would like to ask each and every one of them exactly what their motivation could possibly be for voting down the creation of a male section when a female section already existed? I couldn’t agree more. Mark closed with a plea to get “our research” (referring to the whole audience) to the policy makers, the media & civil servants. It’s no good just sounding off into the usual echo chamber. Great talk.
    *I found it online here https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x72olk7

    Here's a 6-minute summary of the video
    https://twitter.com/bbcthree/status/1097473306515521536?s=20


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,200 ✭✭✭hots


    iptba wrote: »

    Jesus that was a tough watch


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,200 ✭✭✭hots


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-c5ARwv6buc full documentary here, very difficult watch, he's extremely lucky to have eventually escaped, she would have finished the job with the way it escalated.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    The head of the Catholic marriage support agency has warned of a "hidden silent pandemic” of domestic abuse that becomes more prevalent when Covid restrictions are stepped up .

    In a homily broadcast on local radio yesterday, the Catholic Bishop of Kildare and Leighlin, Dr Denis Nulty, said domestic abuse can take many forms.
    In the homily broadcast on KCLR 96FM The bishop appealed to victims, “Don’t suffer in silence”, and he urged them to seek help through Accord’s counselling service, as well as Women’s Aid, Men’s Aid Ireland and, in an emergency, through the gardaí.
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/bishop-warns-of-hidden-silent-pandemic-of-domestic-abuse-during-covid-lockdown-39928052.html

    Good that he implicitly mentioned both genders can be affected.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    Domestic violence: New Garda approach may outlast pandemic
    Efforts to tackle abuse during lockdown set to be ‘locked into’ policy, says senior garda

    The “overwhelming” majority of domestic violence involves males targeting females but many men are also being victimised and violence within same-sex relationships is coming to the attention of gardaí, a senior detective has said.
    --
    “The overwhelming number of complaints come from women; it’s violence by men on women. But there are also many cases when men have come forward and they have been physically assaulted or have been victims of coercive control. They are dealt with in exactly the same way. It’s the same for gay or lesbian relationships, and we get violence within those relationships too of course. We will investigate them all in the same way.”
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/domestic-violence-new-garda-approach-may-outlast-pandemic-1.4468507

    He doesn't mention that there might be a bias in who makes complaints.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,255 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    I think its daft that we are expected to 'man up' in this regard and 'man down' in every other regard.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    I mentioned somewhere, maybe on this thread, that being in the “dog house” and being forced to sleep on the couch/similar seems much, much more likely to be done to men than women.

    Then a (fictional) programme I was watching yesterday where a man was kicked out of the house by his wife for (though it might only have been “the final straw”) taking the side of his male friend over her female friend (a formerly married couple) in an argument made me wonder how much this happens in real life and whether again a woman is more likely to do this to a man than vice versa? I don’t recall hearing it happening in my circle but then people might not talk about it.

    It could happen I suppose via a barring order though that would require approval from an outside agency.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    I just caught the end of an interview on the Ray D'arcy show there. A man was talking about how his mother had killed his father, but there had been domestic abuse/coercive control. All reasonable to mention except that he then said this needs to be considered more when women kill their male partners. Then the contact details for Women's Aid were mentioned.

    There was no mention of the reverse: men could kill their female partners after they were victims of domestic abuse/coercive control.


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 12,887 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    A friend of a very good mate is currently in a relationship where his wife is being very abusive verbally, uses emotional manipulation (the “I’ll kill myself if you don’t do x, y or z”) and coercive control. She is a small woman physically and he’s about 5’10” but she has huge control over him. They have an outdoor shed and apparently she has made him sleep out there occasionally after they fight.

    She has made him drop friends over the years since they’ve been married and as they have two children aged about 10 and 8 he feels helpless and trapped. They are both in their early to mid 40s. She is abusive to their children also. Years and years ago, before they were married - when I met both of them a few times on nights out, she was a very loud, bossy person that I disliked intensely - but the lads would just slag him about it. Now, it is no longer funny in any way.

    My mate told me not to tell anyone as it is extremely embarrassing for this chap. His mother knows what’s been going on but feels powerless to intervene. There must be thousands of guys like him.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    iptba wrote: »
    I mentioned somewhere, maybe on this thread, that being in the “dog house” and being forced to sleep on the couch/similar seems much, much more likely to be done to men than women.

    Then a (fictional) programme I was watching yesterday where a man was kicked out of the house by his wife for (though it might only have been “the final straw”) taking the side of his male friend over her female friend (a formerly married couple) in an argument made me wonder how much this happens in real life and whether again a woman is more likely to do this to a man than vice versa? I don’t recall hearing it happening in my circle but then people might not talk about it.

    It could happen I suppose via a barring order though that would require approval from an outside agency.

    Actually, I've just remembered that one of my relatives by marriage was kicked out of his house for his alcohol problem and still is away from home and his family. Some might argue this is reasonable, and maybe it is, but I wonder whether there is any gender difference in the chances somebody with an addiction problem will be kicked out.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    iptba wrote: »
    I mentioned somewhere, maybe on this thread, that being in the “dog house” and being forced to sleep on the couch/similar seems much, much more likely to be done to men than women.

    Then a (fictional) programme I was watching yesterday where a man was kicked out of the house by his wife for (though it might only have been “the final straw”) taking the side of his male friend over her female friend (a formerly married couple) in an argument made me wonder how much this happens in real life and whether again a woman is more likely to do this to a man than vice versa? I don’t recall hearing it happening in my circle but then people might not talk about it.

    It could happen I suppose via a barring order though that would require approval from an outside agency.
    Perhaps going slightly off topic but I was just listening to a repeat of Lunchtime Live on Newstalk today and a woman talked about her husband having an affair and after she found out, he was kicked out the next day.

    Again, some people might say this is reasonable, but I wonder is there any gender difference in terms of the percentage of men and women who are kicked out of the home in that scenario.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    Another campaign that doesn't look gender neutral
    Women's Aid to raise awareness of digital and online abuse with Too Into You campaign
    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40226870.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,791 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    iptba wrote: »
    Perhaps going slightly off topic but I was just listening to a repeat of Lunchtime Live on Newstalk today and a woman talked about her husband having an affair and after she found out, he was kicked out the next day.

    Again, some people might say this is reasonable, but I wonder is there any gender difference in terms of the percentage of men and women who are kicked out of the home in that scenario.

    I’ve never been in either side of an argument like that, but if it happened, or any big blow out row, and I get ‘told’ to leave my/our home, my answer is... “NO, this is my home, I’m happy and comfortable here...my name is on the paperwork...if you are uncomfortable yourself with being here, you have options, one of them is for YOU to leave”.

    The fûck would I be walking out of a property I own or jointly own, worth xxx,xxx just because somebody is having a raging flounce and throwing toys left right and center....


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    iptba wrote: »
    Another campaign that doesn't look gender neutral

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40226870.html
    Also
    Young women are at heightened risk of online abuse from a current or former intimate partner during the Covid-19 pandemic, according to Women’s Aid.

    The charity noted with alarm reports from other jurisdictions suggesting a surge of image-based sexual abuse since last March as it launched a campaign to highlight the fact that cyber-harassment and image-based sexual abuse are now crimes in Ireland.

    Its #TooIntoYou advertising campaign also focuses on the signs of unhealthy relationships and encourages young people to reach out for support.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/pandemic-has-increased-risk-of-online-abuse-for-young-women-says-charity-1.4484736


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    Irish more likely to intervene in illegal dumping than domestic violence
    Survey finds intervention more likely in male-on-female violence than vice-versa

    [..]

    Violent incidents

    Irish people are also far more likely to say they would intervene in a case of male-on-female domestic violence than in female-on-male domestic violence situation.

    Sixty-three per cent of Irish people would be “willing or very willing” to step in if they saw a man hit a woman compared to 30 per cent if a woman hit a man. The EU average was 64/44 respectively.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/irish-more-likely-to-intervene-in-illegal-dumping-than-domestic-violence-1.4488976


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    Article from the US:
    SPOUSAL ABUSE: WHEN THE WIFE IS THE ABUSER
    https://mensdivorce.expert/blog/spousal-abuse-wife-is-abuser/


  • Registered Users Posts: 474 ✭✭Ramasun


    Strumms wrote: »
    I’ve never been in either side of an argument like that, but if it happened, or any big blow out row, and I get ‘told’ to leave my/our home, my answer is... “NO, this is my home, I’m happy and comfortable here...my name is on the paperwork...if you are uncomfortable yourself with being here, you have options, one of them is for YOU to leave”.

    The fûck would I be walking out of a property I own or jointly own, worth xxx,xxx just because somebody is having a raging flounce and throwing toys left right and center....

    Red Dead Redemption logic?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    Helpline for male domestic abuse victims struggles to cope amid pandemic surge

    Calls to Men’s Aid Ireland are being missed amid 35% spike in level of demand

    Thu, Mar 18, 2021, 00:00
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/helpline-for-male-domestic-abuse-victims-struggles-to-cope-amid-pandemic-surge-1.4512995
    The common thread in calls is an abusive relationship, in 95 per cent of cases involving a wife or female partner.

    “Hitting me, kicking me, spitting on me, telling me I’m a useless father, telling me I’m crap, telling me I don’t bring in enough income,” she recounted the calls.
    "Ms Bentley said the organisation sought and was refused funding for a 24/7 helpline from the State’s child and family agency Tusla, which she criticises for allocating 1 per cent of its domestic, sexual and gender based violence (DSGBV) funding to the service"


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    iptba wrote: »
    It would be good if more than a couple of per cent of the budget for domestic abuse services from taxpayers went to male victims.

    But it would also be good if more money was raised by fundraising.

    I suspect many men might be worried by the reaction they would get if they ran a fundraiser for Men’s Aid Ireland. An alternative option would be to fundraise for two charities, one that supports men and one that supports women. This can be done with some fundraising platforms e.g. donate.ie .
    Or alternatively two separate fundraising pages would be set up. This might encourage more men and women to do this. Currently most fundraising is for female victims.

    And before you ask I am a trustee and one of the lead volunteers in a charity in a different area so that is my current focus, though I did donate at least once to Men’s Aid Ireland or AMEN as it was once called.

    A possibly preferable outcome in the long-term would be if services supported both men and women.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,200 ✭✭✭hots


    iptba wrote: »
    I suspect many men might be worried by the reaction they would get if they ran a fundraiser for Men’s Aid Ireland.

    Similar but different for IWD Vs IMD. I think if you're going to have one you should equally have the other (neither would be preferable tbh) but would I put my head up at work to ask can I arrange speakers, cakes, funding for staff treats, a fundraiser, look for stories about inspiring men in our lives etc. probably not. There's a positivity at work about being involved in IWD, I don't think the same would be found if I tried to look for parity.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    iptba wrote: »
    Helpline for male domestic abuse victims struggles to cope amid pandemic surge

    Calls to Men’s Aid Ireland are being missed amid 35% spike in level of demand

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/helpline-for-male-domestic-abuse-victims-struggles-to-cope-amid-pandemic-surge-1.4512995

    Fundraiser for Men’s Aid Ireland for Boards members and others
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058171140


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭iptba


    What is the Freedom Programme?
    Freedom Programme is a domestic violence programme which was created by Pat Craven who holds the copyright (all rights reserved) and evolved from her work with perpetrators of domestic violence. We provide information, not therapy.
    The programme usually lasts for 11 or 12 weeks and is FREE. It provided by hundreds of agencies across the UK. Some of them are rolling so women can join at any time but this varies according to local needs, etc.
    The Programme was primarily designed for women as victims of domestic violence, since research shows that in the vast majority of cases of serious abuse are male on female. However, the programme, when provided as an intensive two day course, is also suitable for men, whether abusive and wishing to change their attitudes and behaviour or whether victims of same sex domestic abuse themselves.

    So as far as I can make out, it is unsuitable for the following groups:
    female victims of female perpetrators
    &
    male victims of female perpetrators

    What a surprise.

    It's also offered in Ireland, e.g.
    https://amberwomensrefuge.ie/the-freedom-programme/


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