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National Broadband Ireland : implementation and progress

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  • #1052
    TheSegal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭TheSegal


    baz9375 wrote: »
    Thanks. Didn’t know what the tags were and thought the black pipe was the fibre itself.

    Still really happy to have gone from nothing to this in the space of a few days.

    I’m really hopeful that we will have our go live date of Jan - March the Eircode checker is showing.

    If you are seeing all of that progress and you have to wait until Jan-March I can't see fiber arriving her at the earlier time of Dec-Feb


  • #1053
    wexfordman2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,555 ✭✭✭wexfordman2


    Nolars wrote: »
    Just checked nbi website im in the midleton area and it's expected in December 2020 - Feb 2021 :)

    Woo hoo !!! I'm in same area, same dates down for my house too!!!


  • #1054
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,664 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    A small error I noticed on the NBI website, they have the wrong CRO registration number it appears. They are using number 165970 registered to Aviva Life & Pensions Ireland DAC.

    NBI-wrong-CRO-No.jpg

    These are the various registered NBI companies

    NBI MANAGEMENT LIMITED 658894
    10 EARLSFORT TERRACE
    DUBLIN 2 D02 T380, IRELAND

    NBI DEPLOYMENT DESIGNATED ACTIVITY COMPANY 631657
    3009 LAKE DRIVE CITYWEST BUSINESS CAMPUS
    DUBLIN 24

    NBI INFRASTRUCTURE DESIGNATED ACTIVITY COMPANY 631656
    3009 LAKE DRIVE CITYWEST BUSINESS CAMPUS
    DUBLIN 24

    The NBP contract was awarded to NBI Infrastructure DAC


  • #1055
    Pique
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,052 ✭✭✭Pique


    Must be the same web dev who fcuked up. You should email them as that's quite the error.


  • #1056
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,675 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    That's quite a strange mistake to make


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  • #1057
    NBAiii
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 279 ✭✭NBAiii


    baz9375 wrote: »
    Thanks. Didn’t know what the tags were and thought the black pipe was the fibre itself.

    Still really happy to have gone from nothing to this in the space of a few days.

    I’m really hopeful that we will have our go live date of Jan - March the Eircode checker is showing.

    It is certainly positive for you to see such work underway. I belive yours is the first definitive report of NBI build work. Thanks for the images and please keep us updated on the progress if you can.


  • #1058
    baz9375
    Registered Users Posts: 223 ✭✭baz9375


    The NBI/Secto crew were back at 7am this morning.


  • #1059
    baz9375
    Registered Users Posts: 223 ✭✭baz9375


    TheBody wrote: »
    Does anyone know how long between mapping and installing the infrastructure?

    Our road was surveyed in March and works started this week. Cloverhill, Co.Cavan


  • #1060
    Pique
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,052 ✭✭✭Pique


    baz9375 wrote: »
    Our road was surveyed in March and works started this week.

    Can we make a point of giving our rough location in posts like these from now on?


  • #1061
    baz9375
    Registered Users Posts: 223 ✭✭baz9375


    Pique wrote: »
    Can we make a point of giving our rough location in posts like these from now on?

    Updated my post with location.

    I'm in Cloverhill,Co.Cavan.


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  • #1062
    TheSegal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭TheSegal


    baz9375 wrote: »
    The NBI/Secto crew were back at 7am this morning.

    Oh feck, some early starts for them! Thanks for all of the update pics, always good to see some progress


  • #1063
    joe123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,523 ✭✭✭joe123


    Pique wrote: »
    Can we make a point of giving our rough location in posts like these from now on?

    Great shout. Was thinking this yesterday reading the amount of work going on, knowing deep down im likely 5+ years away from all this joy :o


  • #1064
    fergus1001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭fergus1001


    NBI Van's pulled in for lunch in Emo Co Laois today


  • #1065
    westyIrl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 510 ✭✭✭westyIrl


    Great to see this action happening on the ground, even if it's not in my area....yet! :)


  • #1066
    slade_x
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 1,425 Mod ✭✭✭✭slade_x


    baz9375 wrote: »
    Thanks. Didn’t know what the tags were and thought the black pipe was the fibre itself.

    Still really happy to have gone from nothing to this in the space of a few days.

    I’m really hopeful that we will have our go live date of Jan - March the Eircode checker is showing.

    You'll know when the fibre is actually being run when you see some of these reels on the back of a truck

    2AYX1T0.jpg


  • #1067
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,664 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    slade_x wrote: »
    You'll know when the fibre is actually being run when you see some of these reels on the back of a truck

    2AYX1T0.jpg

    I could be wrong here but that looks like narrow ducting for blowing fibre-cable through

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin//showthread.php?p=104517013#post104517013

    693-E645-B-2-EAA-45-F7-A057-79-E32-D6695-D7-jpeg.jpg


  • #1068
    NBAiii
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 279 ✭✭NBAiii


    The Cush wrote: »
    I could be wrong here but that looks like narrow ducting for blowing fibre-cable through

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin//showthread.php?p=104517013#post104517013

    It is duct. Fibre cable, especially that used outdoors, is nearly certainly going to be black probably about 8 - 10mm diameter. The poster is correct in that it will likely be on a trailer mounted drum.


  • #1069
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,664 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    The Cush wrote: »
    A small error I noticed on the NBI website, they have the wrong CRO registration number it appears. They are using number 165970 registered to Aviva Life & Pensions Ireland DAC.

    NBI-wrong-CRO-No.jpg

    Fixed now as regards the CRO registered number, except for the registered address, still using the old address, new registered address is in Citywest

    NBI-wrong-CRO-registered-address.jpg

    NBI INFRASTRUCTURE DESIGNATED ACTIVITY COMPANY 631656
    3009 LAKE DRIVE CITYWEST BUSINESS CAMPUS
    DUBLIN 24


  • #1070
    theguzman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭theguzman


    There was times when we doubted we would ever see this day, I know I am jumping the gun a bit but I guess/am hoping we will see the first connections going live before Christmas now at this rate, probably around one of these first areas to see boots on the ground, like Cavan or Carrigaline in Cork.

    It will be interesting to see the broadband packages the ISP's will offer via NBI soon also.


  • #1071
    clohamon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,795 ✭✭✭clohamon


    heavydawson wrote: »
    Rhymes with Bavin Meridan?
    To be fair:
    1. He's an excellent campaigner for FOI (and there are quite a few ardent FOI campaigners who wouldn't be strong proponents of NBP due to long-standing questions over the murky nature of ENET and the MAN contracts).
    2. He chose to live in a place where that service happens to be readily available. I don't think the post was rubbing in anyones face. We'll all be posting here with our speedtest results in a few years (I hope)

    There are shades of grey here. Even as a ardent supported of NBP, I'm still happy to call out
    1. A single final bidder being bananas
    2. The amount of redacted information in the contract being suspect when we have _so_ much money on the line

    There probably should be some time limit on the publication of the non-redacted contract though. Maybe 5-10 years, or in the case of NBI, perhaps the full contract should be published when the rollout is complete. I realise the contract is for a full 25 years though.....

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/supreme-court/court-rules-public-bodies-must-justify-refusals-to-disclose-certain-documents-1.4364779
    The commissioner was correct in arguing sections 35.3 and 36.3 require the public body to justify a refusal, she said.
    However, the commissioner imposed an “unduly high” bar by requiring evidence of justifying reasons amounting to “exceptional circumstances” to establish a lawful refusal to disclose. On foot of those findings, she granted the commissioner’s appeal relating to the Sheridan decision.

    Long judgement yesterday from the Supreme Court.
    The OIC Decision on the MANS contracts has been remitted back to the Information Commissioner for a new review.
    Presumably the Department could then appeal any new decision once again.


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  • #1072
    KOR101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,898 ✭✭✭KOR101


    The Cush wrote: »
    Fixed now as regards the CRO registered number, except for the registered address, still using the old address, new registered address is in Citywest

    NBI-wrong-CRO-registered-address.jpg

    NBI INFRASTRUCTURE DESIGNATED ACTIVITY COMPANY 631656
    3009 LAKE DRIVE CITYWEST BUSINESS CAMPUS
     DUBLIN 24
    Got to hand it to them.......


    They fixed it in day and a half. :)


  • #1073
    BArra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,036 ✭✭✭BArra


    so i just checked the nbi checker again as there was NBI surveying my area in Cork a week or so ago and the checker has updated already

    the thing is, eir have laid ducting and replaced poles here already as it seems we are included in the eir IFN rollout also, albeit just ducting laid with no fibre blown in yet

    anyway, nbi checker now shows

    Your premises is in the Intervention Area and surveying is underway in the locality. High speed fibre broadband is anticipated to be available in your area within the date range below.*

    Date: Dec 2020 to Feb 2021

    edit: i was also signed up for updates for my eircode but i didnt receive any email regarding this new updated timeframe


  • #1074
    Jofspring
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,096 ✭✭✭Jofspring


    I take it at this stage we can all assume most the premises that say available December 2020-Feb 2021 isn't actually going to happen. There are a lot of places saying it at the moment and that is closing in.


  • #1075
    westyIrl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 510 ✭✭✭westyIrl


    KOR101 wrote: »
    Got to hand it to them.......


    They fixed it in day and a half. :)

    Maybe an indication of what their SLA will be like...:D


  • #1076
    Nolars
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭Nolars


    Jofspring wrote:
    I take it at this stage we can all assume most the premises that say available December 2020-Feb 2021 isn't actually going to happen. There are a lot of places saying it at the moment and that is closing in.

    How many is a lot tho?


  • #1077
    BobMc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,145 ✭✭✭BobMc


    Jofspring wrote: »
    I take it at this stage we can all assume most the premises that say available December 2020-Feb 2021 isn't actually going to happen. There are a lot of places saying it at the moment and that is closing in.


    This is going to get interesting alright, I'd nearly prefer they had further out dates and delivered on it, then missing early published dates, whats that saying "under promise and over deliver", I'll be happy as long as I get service in 2021 to be fair, but earlier the better


  • #1078
    wexfordman2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,555 ✭✭✭wexfordman2


    Jofspring wrote: »
    I take it at this stage we can all assume most the premises that say available December 2020-Feb 2021 isn't actually going to happen. There are a lot of places saying it at the moment and that is closing in.

    I don't know how you are coming to that assumption.
    Also, as someone said, how many is a lot ?
    NBI putting out unobtainable targets at this early stage in the game would be a confidence killer,.I would say the info is fairly reliable.

    The only possibility that crossed my mind is some form of error with the data, but they would have double checked that I would imagine.

    Posting innacurate or unreliable forecasting data at this stage would be suicide.


  • #1079
    Jofspring
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,096 ✭✭✭Jofspring


    wexfordman2 wrote: »
    I don't know how you are coming to that assumption.
    Also, as someone said, how many is a lot ?
    NBI putting out unobtainable targets at this early stage in the game would be a confidence killer,.I would say the info is fairly reliable.

    The only possibility that crossed my mind is some form of error with the data, but they would have double checked that I would imagine.

    Posting innacurate or unreliable forecasting data at this stage would be suicide.

    A lot of people on here in various different locations are reporting that December 2020-Feb 2021 as their delivery time but only one person has reported work commencing. I know they are probably commencing in a few places but they will have to work extremely fast to reach the amount of people that seem to be Dec 2020/Feb 2021.

    I'm in the same boat as most people. If I had it by this time next year I will be delighted.

    Only time will tell.


  • #1080
    Fluppen
    Registered Users Posts: 90 ✭✭Fluppen


    Hi folks, there were survey vans zipping around our area (Barntown Wexford) at lethal speeds in march and the NBI website indicated the same, I can't remember exactly what it said but I remember being exited by it. I just checked now to see if there were any updates and my address has gone back to 'pending survey'. Have things been slowed down or put on hold? Should I stop hoping that I might get better broadband in the next few years?


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  • #1081
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,675 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    I’m in the Dec 2020-Feb 2021 bracket and haven’t seen a single NBI van since surveying - Rochestown, Cork


  • #1082
    heavydawson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,167 ✭✭✭heavydawson


    Fluppen wrote: »
    Hi folks, there were survey vans zipping around our area (Barntown Wexford) at lethal speeds in march and the NBI website indicated the same, I can't remember exactly what it said but I remember being exited by it. I just checked now to see if there were any updates and my address has gone back to 'pending survey'. Have things been slowed down or put on hold? Should I stop hoping that I might get better broadband in the next few years?

    You said it "went back" to pending survey. What state was in before?


  • #1083
    Fluppen
    Registered Users Posts: 90 ✭✭Fluppen


    I'm not sure to be honest. I didn't take note of it but it was possibly 'surveying in progress' or something along those lines. I do remember my brother in law spoke to one of the guys in the vans and he said the norm would be 6-7 months post survey for the start of work. But I'm thinking perhaps this area was surveyed and they realised that there were only two households that would benefit as all the others in the area can access Eir fibre. In that case it would make sense that they would prioritise other areas first.


  • #1084
    heavydawson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,167 ✭✭✭heavydawson


    Fluppen wrote: »
    I'm not sure to be honest. I didn't take note of it but it was possibly 'surveying in progress' or something along those lines. I do remember my brother in law spoke to one of the guys in the vans and he said the norm would be 6-7 months post survey for the start of work. But I'm thinking perhaps this area was surveyed and they realised that there were only two households that would benefit as all the others in the area can access Eir fibre. In that case it would make sense that they would prioritise other areas first.

    Let me put it this way, we were surveyed in mid June (NBI guys knocked on door enquiring about our ducting), and we're still shown as "Pending survey" 3 months later. There's no guidance on time from survey->availability so I wouldn't hold my breath. It'll get there eventually.


  • #1085
    baz9375
    Registered Users Posts: 223 ✭✭baz9375


    Quick update (and photo). All the marked damaged poles are being replaced today. Another two vans are out installing more ducting. Cloverhill, Co.Cavan


  • #1086
    heavydawson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,167 ✭✭✭heavydawson


    baz9375 wrote: »
    Quick update (and photo). All the marked damaged poles are being replaced today. Another two vans are out installing more ducting. Cloverhill, Co.Cavan

    You should be taking over their Twitter feed Baz. Great photos. Thanks for the updates.


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  • #1087
    user1842
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,114 ✭✭✭user1842


    baz9375 wrote: »
    Quick update (and photo). All the marked damaged poles are being replaced today. Another two vans are out installing more ducting. Cloverhill, Co.Cavan

    Why are NBI replacing damaged Eir poles?

    Are you sure they are not just installing new poles?


  • #1088
    baz9375
    Registered Users Posts: 223 ✭✭baz9375


    user1842 wrote: »
    Why are NBI replacing damaged Eir poles?

    Are you sure they are not just installing new poles?

    They're definitely replacing them; the pole they're at now is one of the few that was marked previously.


  • #1089
    user1842
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,114 ✭✭✭user1842


    baz9375 wrote: »
    They're definitely replacing them; the pole they're at now is one of the few that was marked previously.

    That is super strange.

    Could they have made a deal with Eir, where NBI take ownership of those poles and thus do not pay any rent to Eir?

    (maybe nobody on that run has kept a copper connection)


  • #1090
    joe123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,523 ✭✭✭joe123


    heavydawson wrote: »
    You should be taking over their Twitter feed Baz. Great photos. Thanks for the updates.

    Says a lot when we get more info here than we do from NBI themselves. #premisespendingsurvey4life

    Thanks for the updates, it is good to see progress where ever it may be. I recently spoke with the broadband officer for Galway and he hadn't a clue about any NBI progress, but just to "sign up to their website".


  • #1091
    heavydawson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,167 ✭✭✭heavydawson


    user1842 wrote: »
    That is super strange.

    Could they have made a deal with Eir, where NBI take ownership of those poles and thus do not pay any rent to Eir?

    (maybe nobody on that run has kept a copper connection)
    It's possible that Eir and NBI have agreed upon one or more third party contractors to carry out the work to Eirs standards. I'm sure Eir only have bandwidth to repair a certain amount of infrastructure at any given time, and can't stretch to the needs of the NBI rollout (small as it is right now). It would make sense if contractors were engaged for the rollout timeframe, reverting back to Eir when the bulk of the work was done.


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  • #1092
    johnnyboy08
    Registered Users Posts: 149 ✭✭johnnyboy08


    Fluppen wrote: »
    Hi folks, there were survey vans zipping around our area (Barntown Wexford) at lethal speeds in march and the NBI website indicated the same, I can't remember exactly what it said but I remember being exited by it. I just checked now to see if there were any updates and my address has gone back to 'pending survey'. Have things been slowed down or put on hold? Should I stop hoping that I might get better broadband in the next few years?

    Same as that, I'm up in Bree and we were surveyed on 12 May. Website has always been Pending Survey since before survey started. Was told 6 to 7 months too but no way is that happening. Realistically I'd have been saying March or so next year but no-one really knows for sure it seems and there have been some Covid delays for UK contractors.


  • #1093
    baz9375
    Registered Users Posts: 223 ✭✭baz9375


    Another NBI contractor crew working in same area (Cloverhill, Co.Cavan). They were working on replacing poles on another road about two miles from where the photo was taken this morning.


  • #1094
    wexfordman2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,555 ✭✭✭wexfordman2


    Jofspring wrote: »
    A lot of people on here in various different locations are reporting that December 2020-Feb 2021 as their delivery time but only one person has reported work commencing. I know they are probably commencing in a few places but they will have to work extremely fast to reach the amount of people that seem to be Dec 2020/Feb 2021.

    I'm in the same boat as most people. If I had it by this time next year I will be delighted.

    Only time will tell.

    "A lot.of people" is still kind of subjective though isn't it.

    Put it this way, the period of dec 2020 to Feb 2021 still gives them a five month window (Oct to Feb) for rollout to those areas. That's five months of an overall 7 year rollout plan, I would expect them to have a significant amount of work started in that period.


  • #1095
    Pique
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,052 ✭✭✭Pique


    To recap on what Peter Hendricks said on ShannonsideFM back at end of April. Roscommon surveys started beginning of May.
    Design phase in 11 counties for this year. Next year, the remaining counties will be surveyed for buildout but all BCPs will be connected this year. 5-8 weeks survey duration. Poles replaced in 'make-ready' phase prior to build out. The closer you are to a Trunk line, the quicker you will be connected. 60-70 operators on the NBP network predicted.

    I remember Hendricks saying that we would be connected in or around Easter 2021 too.

    approx 1 month later (2nd week of June) I met the survey guys and they reckoned about a year or so from then, making it midsummer 2021 for the Ballymurray, Roscommon area.

    My eircode is still 'premises pending survey' btw.


  • #1096
    Nuphor
    Registered Users Posts: 506 ✭✭✭Nuphor


    Pique wrote: »
    To recap on what Peter Hendricks said on ShannonsideFM back at end of April. Roscommon surveys started beginning of May.



    I remember Hendricks saying that we would be connected in or around Easter 2021 too.

    approx 1 month later (2nd week of June) I met the survey guys and they reckoned about a year or so from then, making it midsummer 2021 for the Ballymurray, Roscommon area.

    My eircode is still 'premises pending survey' btw.

    Anyone recall/know what the 11 counties are?


  • #1097
    stevek93
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭stevek93


    A knock on the door yesterday here in Dublin 5 asking for consent to install fibre optic lines on my house for Siro! At the moment I can only get 5MB DSL or VM.

    I asked the chap did anyone say no and yes they have! Really?! Why would anyone disagree with high speed broadband. :confused:


  • #1098
    Gooey Looey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Gooey Looey


    stevek93 wrote: »
    I asked the chap did anyone say no and yes they have! Really?! Why would anyone disagree with high speed broadband. :confused:

    I'm alright Jack! Someone who has VM and doesn't want anyone touching their lock down paintwork


  • #1099
    stevek93
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭stevek93


    Gooey Looey wrote: »
    I'm alright Jack! Someone who has VM and doesn't want anyone touching their lock down paintwork

    I asked him if then what if a neighbour says no, it was mentioned then that if there isn’t another route available the rest of the neighbours won’t be getting it.


  • #1100
    Pique
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,052 ✭✭✭Pique


    stevek93 wrote: »
    I asked him if then what if a neighbour says no, it was mentioned then that if there isn’t another route available the rest of the neighbours won’t be getting it.

    Do they tell you which neighbour refuses? That would be utter fcukery on their part if they refuse access in full knowledge that in doing so they deny others fibre.


  • #1101
    stevek93
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭stevek93


    Pique wrote: »
    Do they tell you which neighbour refuses? That would be utter fcukery on their part if they refuse access in full knowledge that in doing so they deny others fibre.

    Yes they told me, I presume that it was mentioned to the refusing neighbour that they will stop the other neighbours from getting it.


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